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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World
Date: 01 Feb 1997 00:42:51 EST


On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:25:12 +0100 (MET) Thomas Bieler
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> I also believe that since ROY and FOT80 has become so rare, more and
>more
>> people wanted to get what they couldn't get. I think it is obvious
>that most of
>> the success of this list is based on the fact that ROY and FOT80 is
>impossible
>> to get hold of. It wouldn't be so fun chasing a record which was in
>every shop
>> in the world. Some of the excitement would be lost then.
>Carl, what kinda people are the two of us? We're gonna DESTROY this
>list!  ;-)
>[snicker!]


I think the reason the first two albums are my favorites is because they
used the raw Prophet-5 instruments (for those with the video its the
wooden looking synths - three of them used in the concert). That synth
has a quality about it that make the songs sound so....synth poppy...And
Men Without Hats wrote great synthpop on the first two albums. The next
two albums used alot of digital stuff and sampled voices...then came the
grunge on the last one. As someone who prefers the old analog sound over
digital or even guitar, I feel that the first two albums are best just
because of the instruments they used. The sound is so unique and brash
and bubbly. But when you think about it, the songs really remained quite
the same from album to album but the band used different instruments to
songwrite with.

But I agree with you...notice how quiet the list got once everyone
received the video and 3CD set? Makes me wonder what will happen too once
the 2-fer is out.

Rod

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Synthsound
Date: 01 Feb 1997 00:57:45 -0800

> That synth
> has a quality about it that make the songs sound so....synth poppy...And
> Men Without Hats wrote great synthpop on the first two albums.

That synth sound sure feels nice on the ears! But its more than just the
fact that its synth.  These albums feel like they were created by a
playful and enthusiastic Ivan. (ie. they are very clever albums). You're
right though, there are two kinds of synth but I think its not quite
"analog vs sampler".  For example, I easily created that cheezy synth on
my Roland S-10 by looping single pulses of just about any sample. This
created a square wave which is in fact the basis of those analog
synths.  The first 2 or 3 albums of MWH used these simpler waveforms
while PGTW used more complex waveforms.  Acoustic instruments have
infinitely complex waveforms (which, of coarse, end up being sampled
waveforms when on a CD).

My heart has always been with that wonderful "cheezy" synth and if it
came right down to a decision between the first 3 MWH albums and PGTW
I'd have to go with the first 3 "cheezy" ones.  But PGTW was more
adventurous, had a great variety of sounds (that's an understatement!)
and put together with meticulous attention to detail and the art of
music.

> ...notice how quiet the list got once everyone
> received the video and 3CD set? Makes me wonder what will happen too once
> the 2-fer is out.

I noticed this too!  I'll admit, when I got the video I had the sense of
being content. (Like my long thirst for MWH and been quenched.)  Now, I
NEED MORE!!!!  Hurry up IVAN!

Senz

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: Cheezy Synthesizers
Date: 01 Feb 1997 11:03:11 EST

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:22:45 -0800 [e-mail] (Christofer
Evangelista) writes:
>
>You gotta love that rennisance (sp?) medival sound that created with
>those
>cool sounding analog synths. The Great ones remember also had some
>interesting synth arrangements and is one of my fave songs. Folk of
>the
>80s had some experimental digital stuff (the weird clashing sound on
>Eurotheme for example) that kind of continued the experimentation with
>
>electronics.

Yeah...I believe it was one of the first samplers...Emulator II or
Synclavier...

 The later stuff does have some analogish sounds on it
>(Moonbeam, Walk on Water, I'm in love) but it isn't the same. Still I
>like
>Pop goes the world and In the 21st century nonetheless, but I'll
>always
>love Rhythm of youths synthy sound. It was that album that taught me
>how
>to play keyboards. :)

The video for 21st Century shows a guy playing a little Korg semi-modular
synth - either an MS-10 or MS-20...incidently a very popular synth in
these techno times...

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) PGTW praise
Date: 01 Feb 1997 12:22:13 -0600

I was very delighted by Don2's enthusiastic response to PGTW.  I too share
many of his feelings.  Songs like "The End of the World" and "Walk on Water"
make me reflective and I wonder if maybe all of my friends ever will be
together again.  All of the songs make so much sense.  They're so easy to
relate to and they make you feel good about life and love.  21st Century also
has songs like that like "All We Do" and "You and Me", not to mention
"Underneath the Rainbow", my favorite song in the entire world.  And I think
they're cover version of ABBA's SOS is absolutely awesome.  Well, I guess
that's enough gushing over MWH today.  Just remember, we'll all meet again at
the end of the world.
                    Hillary

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From: Dale Plants <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Pop Goes the World
Date: 01 Feb 1997 10:16:42 -0800 (PST)

lets not forget that there are still songs by this band that we havent heard.

there are

6 demo songs
winnebego song
4 unreleased songs in 1994

total known of 11 songs that no one has really heard.
i'd love to heard and have all of them
(keeping my fingers crossed)
dale


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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: hats Digest V2 #15
Date: 01 Feb 1997 15:58:48 -0800

>But I agree with you...notice how quiet the list got once everyone
>received the video and 3CD set?

not everyone has received the 3CD set yet, or even had an opportunity to do
so. :(

is there any word of whether there will be another series of duplications?
i'm very interested in being in on this one.

--
Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Cheezy Synthesizers
Date: 01 Feb 1997 19:23:10 -0500


Rod

The reason I even play in a band is because of analog machines ( and Ivan
was a HUGE influence)-- We even lug out our JX3p to some shows (the Jupiter
6's/8's weigh too much!)
Im glad someone shares my views on the love/hate relationship of Digital vs
Analog.

Wolf



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: hats Digest V2 #15
Date: 01 Feb 1997 19:33:54 -0500



>>But I agree with you...notice how quiet the list got once everyone
>>received the video and 3CD set?
>
>not everyone has received the 3CD set yet, or even had an opportunity to do
>so. :(
>



Anyone who lives in CANADA, and would like me to run off cassettes / or
Dats of 1 or all of the Cd's can contact me and make arrangements.



Wolf
Toronto



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From: CartOOn Guy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Unknown hats
Date: 01 Feb 1997 21:15:58 -0500 (EST)

>6 demo songs
>winnebego song
>4 unreleased songs in 1994

unreleased songs in 1994??

>i'd love to heard and have all of them

Maybe they will surface in Ivan's new album?
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From: CartOOn Guy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Living In China picture sleeve
Date: 01 Feb 1997 21:38:20 -0500 (EST)


If anyone is interested in getting a jpg of the picture sleeve to the 12" of
"Living In China", I posted it on my web page.  At the same time, I'd love
to hear any comments you have about my web site.  It isn't about Men Without
hats, but like I said, I'd love to get some feedback :)  If you want to skip
the page and get to the picture, go to http://www.interlog.com/~daniele/me.html


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From: "Rush " <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mw/oH
Date: 01 Feb 1997 20:04:22 UT

Hey Guys!!

New to the list...  And I think that PGTW is the best of the group, however, I
haven't heard Sideways (I'm hoping German Music Express can help me out here)
so we'll see.  If you guys are looking for hard to find stuff, i.e. the places
I found ALL of my Mw/oH CD's, try GME (musicexpress.com) or CDNOW (I forgot
the URL).
    I cannot wait for the ROY CD (any clarification on if we'll be able to get it
here in the US???), I know I will be complete when I hear "Ideas for Walls" at
about 130dB again.  Anybody interested in the ROY vinyl??  It's in good shape,
but I have never owned a turntable, and don't see any reason to start.  E-me
with offers [e-mail].

Glad to be here...

Rush

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Copies of the MWH Videotape
Date: 01 Feb 1997 11:06:30 -0500 (EST)

I am still making stereo HiFi VHS (NTSC only!) copies of the MWH videotape
for those of you interested in obtaining a copy and unfortunate enough not
to be able to get one of the originals.  You need simply to post me a private
email to obtain my mailing address so that you can know where to send your
money and stuff in the first place.  I ask that you mail to me some form of
mailer suitable for mailing a videotape, along with the correct amount of
postage and US$3.00 to cover my cost for the blank tape I'll need to complete
the task.  If you live outside of the US, it would probably be wise to send
the amount needed for postage in monetary form rather than in stamp form.

I also am offering dubs of the three MWH compact discs made by J.R. Bookwalter
for the same price .  I can only copy them to VHS HiFi videocassettes, however, therefore the
same rules apply for this as for the MWH videotape offer described above.
Myke
[e-mail]
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Message To Will Finn
Date: 02 Feb 1997 10:21:28 -0500 (EST)

Hey!

I got your mailer, postage and $3.00 a few days ago.  You didn't supply
me your email address so I'm having to tell you this via Hats.  Just thought
you'd like to know that everything was received OK and will be coming back
at you in the near future.

Thanks!

Myke

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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) DATS
Date: 02 Feb 1997 13:03:58 -0500



> Anyone who lives in CANADA, and would like me to run off cassettes / or
> Dats of 1 or all of the Cd's can contact me and make arrangements.
>
>
>
> Wolf
> Toronto
I have a DAT machine here in the US as well.   I would also be happy to
copy some DATS of the 3 CDs, just e-mail me.
  -- or cassettes....

Tom
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: Quietness - 3CD/video
Date: 02 Feb 1997 14:03:36 EST

On Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:58:48 -0800 "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>But I agree with you...notice how quiet the list got once everyone
>>received the video and 3CD set?
>
>not everyone has received the 3CD set yet, or even had an opportunity
>to do
>so. :(

Whoops...let me rephrase that: "...notice how quiet the list got once the
3CD set and video were released". The only real talk thats gone on since
is by those who were not able to get the 3CD set asking how they could
now get it - my point being - there is a certain amount of hype about MWH
on this list centered around the fact that most of their stuff is still
unavailable to the masses on CD. Once everything is available, will there
be the same volume of discussion? I kind of doubt it. There is little
talk about their first two albums as is and they are readily available on
vinyl/cassette. I don't think the release of those two albums is going to
stir up too much talk. In fact, a lot of people may end up leaving the
list shortly afterwards once they've gotten "all" of the MWH stuff ever
available. That's kind of why the missing demos is good to have missing.
There's always something more that you don't have... As much as I liked
the MWH video collection, I had only seen one of the videos before
(Safety Dance) and was very anxious to see the whole thing. There was a
certain completeness after having watched the whole video but there was
also a certain feeling of disappointment...a feeling of - man they were
pretty cheesy weren't they - or, hmmm, they were great, but their videos
were not "that" great...or, Is that it? Is this what I've been waiting
for for all of these years? My bubble sort of burst I guess. Just my
personal feelings - I still like the first two albums more than any other
and they are two of my all-time-favorite synthpop albums so I'm sure once
they are available I'll be here talking about them...

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Album
Date: 02 Feb 1997 14:21:25 -0500 (EST)

Hello Hats fan.

Do you know why people likes old stuff from the hats??  Because they were
naive and young, reckless, a little bit stupid, and no experimented.

For my side, I think the best album still PGTW following by 21st century.

I can't wait for the new album, they are coming back with Synth.!!!!!!!

Ciao!

Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Pictures
Date: 02 Feb 1997 14:22:20 -0500 (EST)



Carl->  Did you receive the pictures??????

Wolfgang-)  Remind me this week if you dont receive your pictures.



If you have some inedite pictures of the hats, dont forget to tell me.!!!!


bye
Francis

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Quietness - 3CD/video
Date: 02 Feb 1997 12:57:05 -0800

Jupiter Eight wrote:
> In fact, a lot of people may end up leaving the
> list shortly afterwards once they've gotten "all" of the MWH stuff ever
> available.

What are we? Stamp collectors!! I'm on this list because I want to
discuss the works of MWH. I firmly believe that MWH is very insightful
and unique among a world of copycats and mass produced music. In PGTW,
Ivan avoided being "macho" and "cool". Any other band would consider
this suicide! My point is that MWH took us where no band has gone before
and I've enjoyed the trip from the very beginning!  Thank you, Ivan.

> - or, hmmm, they were great, but their videos
> were not "that" great...or, Is that it?

What, you prefer Madonna's videos?

Senz

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ideas For Walls
Date: 02 Feb 1997 13:55:50 -0800

Personal, I would really like to discuss ROY a little bit.  Why did Ivan
write "Ideas For Walls"?  It seems like it's from the point of view of
an architech but why does he prefer that the nightlife be called the
"right life"? What is he standing on the inside/outside of? This song
has always had me somewhat puzzled. But I doubt that Ivan wrote the song
just to puzzle us.  Any ideas out there?

Senz

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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(hats) Ideas For Walls
Date: 02 Feb 1997 16:25:06 -0500 (EST)

Senz wrote:

>What is he standing on the inside/outside of? This song
>has always had me somewhat puzzled. But I doubt that Ivan wrote the song
>just to puzzle us.  Any ideas out there?

I think Ivan puts it best himself in the song:

    "Is everybody confused?"  (No.)
    "I'm making no sense at all."

though I'm not sure who is supposed to be responding "no" to that question.

My $0.02.

Jeff


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) hey guys
Date: 02 Feb 1997 15:42:31 -0600

just out of curiousity guys, am I the only female on this list.  I don't think
I remember any girls posting anything on the list.  Are they just quiet or are
female MWH fans nonexistent.  Just wondering.
                        Hillary

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Ideas For Walls
Date: 02 Feb 1997 15:28:30 -0800

> I think Ivan puts it best himself in the song:
>
>         "Is everybody confused?"  (No.)
>         "I'm making no sense at all."
>
> though I'm not sure who is supposed to be responding "no" to that question.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Jeff

These lines get me thinking that maybe this architech is really only the
designer of a padded cell!  The protagonist is definately not too
confident in what he's saying.  I wonder if the phrase "banging your
head against a wall" has anything to do with this song?

If this line of reasoning is correct then why does Ivan want us to think
about this? Actually, come to think of it, "The Great Ones Remember" and
"Ban the Game" also seem to be describing an "uncertainty" in the
"speaker". (I really don't want to say "Ivan" because a good writer can
obviously act out a role for the purpose of the song.)

Senz

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: Quietness - 3CD/video
Date: 02 Feb 1997 17:48:46 EST

On Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:57:05 -0800 Steven Enz <[e-mail]> writes:
>What, you prefer Madonna's videos?
>
>Senz

Do I really need to comment on this? :)

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The videos
Date: 02 Feb 1997 20:19:51 GMT

I thought I had to comment on the recent poster who said `is that it?`
after watching the video collection.

I have watched them several times since receiving my copy and have yet to
get sick of them.  What should be taken into account is that at the time
of the earliest video`s, the industry was still very new.  I can`t think of
many video`s released around that era that would look that good these days.
Vienna by Ultravox is one of the few that sticks out as not looking dated.

However, saying that, In the 21st... is an outstanding video and probably
MWH`s finest.  Still, I like them all, even Where Do The Boys Go? which
seems to consist of a load of snowmen walking round a giant orange golf
ball :-)  Great music too.





ttfn,

Si

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) The videos
Date: 02 Feb 1997 21:02:40 -0800

>
> I thought I had to comment on the recent poster who said `is that it?`
> after watching the video collection.
>

I must have missed this... someone wasn't HAPPY with the video
collection? Man, I watched it four times - all the way through, mind
you - the first day I had it. Seeing Ivan and the dwarf minstrel
bounding through the grass at the beginning of "Safety Dance" blasted me
back to 1983... so many memories.

Ivan, if *you're* reading: I wasn't dissatisfied. Hell, the group could've
been filmed with a Super 8 camera and I would've been ecstatic!

Don2
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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The videos
Date: 03 Feb 1997 00:08:12 -0600 (CST)

On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Still, I like them all, even Where Do The Boys Go? which
> seems to consist of a load of snowmen walking round a giant orange golf
> ball :-)  Great music too.

Really?, Where Do the Boys Go?  is my favourite of the whole bunch.  I
love everything about it, from the opening bit with the text printed on
the screen and the blinking triangle cursor, to the giant orange ball, to
the weird camera attachment to Ivan, to the guy running around in circles
with his hand over his ear at the start, to the herd of bonhommes.  I should
say more about that last bit.  It's actually a bit scary in a surreal
way, all these bonhommes smiling and waving on the exterior, but slowly
circling round the guy, closing in, closing in, so many of them, smiling
and waving, seemingly with good intentions but surrounding the guy and
bringing him down.  Also it's great at the end after one of the "WDTBG"'s
when Ivan gives this great big nodding smile.

And yes great music on that one.  Actually I had managed to overlook
WDTBG somehow all that time I had Folk..III on vinyl.. it wasn't until
the Collection CD that I got hooked on it.  It is pretty catchy, you have
to admit.  I made an arrangement (well, more like.. transcription? :) )
of it for the a capella group I sing with here at the university, and
they all love it.  I realize now that I should have done "I Know Their
Name" instead - that song has always meant a lot more to me, but it's too
similar to WDTBG to do both now.

I also love the Pop Goes the World video - it has an almost Japanese
cheesiness to it.  With all of Ivan's silly grins and facial expressions,
and the gratuitous words appearing on the screen to indicate the actions
going on ('pop!', 'skrang', and my favourite.. when Ivan looks puzzled by
the bubbles floating around at the beginning and a little ? appears next
to his head).. and have you ever actually looked at the "baby's" hands?
What a riot!  And of course "Jenny" with the bass, just rocking it back
and forth and looking pretty.  We always joke that when near the end she
gets put up on the pedestal by Ivan, that it was really the case that
Ivan was showing the model where to go ("ok now come stand over here for
a while"), because all she knew how to do was rock the bass back and forth..

I guess Moonbeam is good too, for many of the same reasons as PGTW (I
think it's a little unnecessary that the moonbeam illuminates his groin in
a couple of those shots though, and the zoom-ins on "Jenny"'s crotch), but
it gets big-time points taken off for the annoying remix that accompanies
it.  I like when he jumps onto the moonbeam and starts climbing, but in
the next shot he's back at the same place.  And why he starts signalling
semaphores with the planet I may never know :)

Just had to comment on the WDTBG?...
Woody

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Subject: (hats) Jupiter Six
Date: 03 Feb 1997 02:24:07 -0500



Asmuch of a listener of MWH's Ive been over the years... rather then defend
the videos... i would have to agree with Rod... they WERE Very chessy
(uh... nice house... no furniture ) ; grin

It was the way Ivan had with writing an amazing (and as he puts it -
disposable) pop song.
The way his vocal and production skills advanced from the first 16 track Ep
, right up til the brilliantly crafted "PGTW". (I LOVE the EP because it
captured a mood, an expression for that specific moment in time... and I
love PGTW for its multi-layered samples/ vocal harmonies and its slick and
OVER PRODUCED sound. ( Paul Northfield RULES !)
For these reasons alone... I look forward to future Ivan recordings (
analog / digital / acoustic---- whatever !)

As for the videos... I never look for videos with huge PLOTS or THEMES ( at
least when they come from the early / mid - eighties !!!)
They are what they are !

As for bootlegs / live recordings,,, thats a whole other story.... ( ! )
when are we going to find some PGTW / Sideways  live stuff ???

(Ivan does an amazing cover of " Money Changes Everything " ( on the
Sideways tour 1991) and the most twisted guitar oriented version of PGTW -
)

goodnight
W








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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Dr. Bruce
Date: 02 Feb 1997 16:59:43 -0500 (EST)

Where has Bruce Murphy disappeared to?

Has anyone noticed he's not posting kewl stories from the road here anymore?

I kinda miss them, y'know?

Myke

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 03 Feb 1997 08:14:15 +0000

Hilary asks...
> just out of curiousity guys, am I the only female on this list.

Hi Hilary!

Another "person of estrogen" checking in.  There are a couple of us,
but just like in school, it's mostly guys that pipe up.  Welcome
aboard!

Hi Everyone!!

Ohmigosh!  I  have a spare 20 seconds!  What a concept.  I better
type fast.

CDs:  Great, love them!!  Am making several people at work jealous by
listening to them on my computer - the 90s version of whistle while
you work, I guess.  I *LOVE* Freeways - perfectly captures the mood
of driving alone at night (particularly when Cocoa and I drove to a
dog show in a tornado!).

Video:  Cheezy?  Of course - that's why we love 'em.  It was great to
see the videos I'd never seen before - I only had SD and IL on video
before.  Moonbeam is hysterical!  *Sigh*  Was Ivan really that young?
Then how young was I?  The live show was great, too.  I had seen them
live (live live, not live on video) waaaaay back on the ROY tour
(boy, do I feel old!  who was it that was 7 when PGTW came out?
Thanks, kiddo!), and they really put on a super show.

Maybe this will stir things up:  What song, by any group or artist,
would you like to hear Ivan et al. cover?  MWH did a bang-up job with
SOS, I think, but I wasn't that crazy about I am the Walrus (I didn't
like it when the Beatles did it, either, though).

My fantasy album would have Ivan covering ... I'm a Believer by the
Monkees.  But Peggy Sue by Buddy Holly would be fun, too.  That would
give Ivan a better chance to do his yip-thing.  ;-)

CUL8R!
;-) Laura

PS to MB and SW - saw Shopping with you-know-who.  My, what a
potty-mouth!  More later...  MB, say hi to the ghost!

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Date: 03 Feb 1997 11:56:32 -0600

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well, I was told it would be nice to say hi to the members of the list.
so
        hi members!
 I've been looking around for a good mailing list. Lucky me I found it.
I
 had about given up on the whole search. Interesting story: I once read
a post somewhere about Ivan being dead.
The guy had mixed him up with Allen McCarthy, i suppose. Here I was all
downhearted. My mom has a huge crush, so I vowed to hunt out the truth.
Now I can tell her he's still kicking. She'll want ticket info on
concerts now, no doubt.
        as to the cheesiness of the 80's.. well, having grown up in the
plastic
decade, I have to say that (shudder) Mtv was on the cutting edge of
style. Style was just more kitschy and disposable. Now, in the 90's, we
have to deal with that whole Nine Inch Nails sepia-toned
vaseline-on-the-lens blur video that hurts to watch. Plus, Men Without
Hats never said "kill all the white people" and thus has one up on
modern angry-teen alternative. I only wish I could hear a Men Without
Hats cover of the entire "nevermind" album. Not to badmouth Kurt Cobain,
 but he's dead so what does he care?
         oh, and a final note before I sign off for the day: did anyone
ever
 listen to A Flock of Seagulls? I caught their performance at Edgefest
in
 Omaha last September, and they were extremely 80's. gave me a pang of
 homesickness, that did. Music just isn't music without the personality
 of the band...
         you folks are great! take care.
                              -Tsari (aka Itlan!)

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well, I was told to say hi to the members of the list.

    hi members!

I've been looking around for a good mailing list. Lucky me I found it. I
had about given up on the whole search.
Interesting story: I once read a post somewhere about Ivan being dead.
The guy had mixed him up with Allen McCarthy, i suppose. Here I was all
downhearted. My mom has a huge crush, so I vowed to hunt out the truth.
Now I can tell her he's still kicking. She'll want ticket info on
concerts now, no doubt.
    as to the cheesiness of the 80's.. well, having grown up in the plastic
decade, I have to say that (shudder) Mtv was on the cutting edge of
style. Style was just more kitschy and disposable. Now, in the 90's, we
have to deal with that whole Nine Inch Nails sepia-toned
vaseline-on-the-lens blur video that hurts to watch. Plus, Men Without
Hats never said "kill all the white people" and thus has one up on
modern angry-teen alternative. I only wish I could hear a Men Without
Hats cover of the entire "nevermind" album. Not to badmouth Kurt Cobain,
but he's dead so what does he care?
    oh, and a final note before I sign off for the day: did anyone ever
listen to A Flock of Seagulls? I caught their performance at Edgefest in
Omaha last September, and they were extremely 80's. gave me a pang of
homesickness, that did. Music just isn't music without the personality
of the band...
    you folks are great! take care.
                -Tsari (aka Itlan!)


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW praise
Date: 03 Feb 1997 20:16:08 +0100 (MET)

> I was very delighted by Don2's enthusiastic response to PGTW.  I too share
> many of his feelings.  Songs like "The End of the World" and "Walk on Water"
> make me reflective and I wonder if maybe all of my friends ever will be
> together again.  All of the songs make so much sense.  They're so easy to
> relate to and they make you feel good about life and love.
>                     Hillary

Oh, Hillary!!
Just a few minutes before I read your mail I noticed that the question "Will
we all meet again at the end of the world?" had been haunting me for some time
now (listening to PGTW all through the last days). Same as you, I imagined it
wonderful to meet so many people again. And yes, I only thought of the people
I'd love to meet ("... they make you feel good about life ...") resp. felt the
wish to meet those people who weren't quite my friends as well, and make
friends with them then.

Btw, does this line make anyone else think of the 'restaurant at the end of the
universe' (Douglas Adams) ... ?  ;-)

Thomas

P.S.:
My apologies for not having posted about the standings of the 2for1
distribution on friday as I announced. Let me tell you that things are gonna
turn out beautiful! Unfortunately, I'm afraid I won't be able to finish that
mail today, either (I might get thrown off the terminal pool every moment...).

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) Carl: release date still set?
Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:02:25 -0800

Carl,

Is the release date for the 2-on-1 CD still Feb. 10 in Europe? I hope so,
because I have a friend coming over from Germany on the 16th... he'd
juuuuuuuust be able to get it. He was able to score me some Cardigans
CDs months before they came out in the USA, so I have high hopes for this
one...

Don2
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW praise
Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:27:30 -0800

>
>> I was very delighted by Don2's enthusiastic response to PGTW.  I too share
>> many of his feelings.  Songs like "The End of the World" and "Walk on Water"
>> make me reflective and I wonder if maybe all of my friends ever will be
>> together again.  All of the songs make so much sense.  They're so easy to
>> relate to and they make you feel good about life and love.
>>                     Hillary
>

Y'know, it's funny, but through this mailing list I've "met" (for want of
a better word) the only female Hats fans I know. And the only male fan I
knew - my brother - ditched the entire techno scene soon after he bought
"Rhythm Of Youth" because someone told him it was all too "gay". (When I
questioned him about buying the album and what that meant about his sexuality,
he just told me to "SHUT UP!". TouchΘ.) I've pretty much been a lone wolf for
the last 14 years when it came to liking MWH. Throughout my long and tortured
life, my choice in music has been the biggest target exploited by people
looking to rag on me.

Please tell me if anything like this has ever happened to you. Right when I
got the Oglio Records "Collection", the woman I was living with at the time
(note that I said "at the time") had invited her sister to stay with us for
a few days. I was listening to the CD while they were cooking, and the sister
called out, "What is THAT?" And my girlfriend replied, "It's MEN WITHOUT HATS.
Isn't it CRAP? HAHAHAHA!" And so they both proceeded to berate me and the
Hats for a good fifteen minutes. Let me tell you, I was really hurt. From her
obnoxious egotistical trendy sister, I expected it... but from someone I
was in love with?!?!? POW. Caught me right in the gut.

So, to come back to my point before I have people all over the world crying
and wiping their eyes, I think MWH is a very special band, one of those
rare groups that couldn't and wouldn't be categorized and nailed down into
a general musical "style". What they were trying to do went over the
general music publics' collective heads... but there were some that actually
got it, that felt the call and got hooked. I'm one, Hillary's one, Tom is
one, J.R. is one... everyone reading these words is a member of a very
exclusive club.

This mailing list has proven to me that I'm not *completely* alone in the
world. Apart from my friends and my cats, the music that moves me is the
most important thing in my life. It keeps me going when there doesn't seem
to be any hope, or any point in continuing. Knowing that somewhere out there
Hillary is listening to "Walk On Water" and feeling that same sense of...
of whatever it is Ivan put into his music (I don't know what it is, but
it sure as hell feels good!)... knowing that I'm not the only one that
feels that way about MWH is comforting. It's reassuring, in its own way.

I thank everyone who is on this list, and others we have yet to meet, for
helping keep MWH from disappearing forever. With the 2-on-1 about to
be released, and rumors of a brand-new album from Ivan floating around,
I'd say our wearing out of tapes and LPs, and hopes for a return haven't been
in vain. Through the list, I've got some new "friends". And we actually
have a common interest... one that matters a great deal to me.

Thus endeth the sermon. Sorry to get so wordy, but I'm completely and utterly
depressed at the moment for various reasons, and I just felt like doing
some explaining.

"...We'll laugh at all the silly things
    That we've both said and done
    And step into forever
    On the bright side of the sun..."

Don2
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 03 Feb 1997 21:56:31 EST

On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:14:15 +0000 "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer"
<[e-mail]> writes:

>Maybe this will stir things up:  What song, by any group or artist,
>would you like to hear Ivan et al. cover?  MWH did a bang-up job with
>SOS, I think, but I wasn't that crazy about I am the Walrus (I didn't
>like it when the Beatles did it, either, though).

What a great topic! I'd love to hear "Virginia Plain" by Roxy Music done
by Ivan...that would be one to hear.

Rod

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
Date: 03 Feb 1997 21:56:31 EST

On Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:56:32 -0600 TSARI D <[e-mail]>
writes:
>         oh, and a final note before I sign off for the day: did
>anyone
>ever
> listen to A Flock of Seagulls? I caught their performance at Edgefest
>in
> Omaha last September, and they were extremely 80's. gave me a pang of
> homesickness, that did. Music just isn't music without the
>personality
> of the band...

Are you kidding? One of my fav's AFOS...I wish there was a mailing list
for them...

Rod

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) The videos
Date: 03 Feb 1997 21:56:31 EST

On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 20:19:51 GMT [e-mail] writes:
>I thought I had to comment on the recent poster who said `is that it?`
>after watching the video collection.

Well...what "I" actually said was "... As much as I liked the MWH video
collection, I had only seen one of the videos before (Safety Dance) and
was very anxious to see the whole thing. There was a certain completeness
after having watched the whole video but there was also a certain feeling
of disappointment...a feeling of - man they were pretty cheesy weren't
they - or, hmmm, they were great, but their videos were not "that"
great...or, Is that it? Is this what I've been waiting for for all of
these years? My bubble sort of burst I guess. Just my personal
feelings..."

What I actually meant by all this is that, yes, they were good videos
compared to other 80's videos...but not quite up to "great" status...So
I'm a perfectionist and expect alot from bands...that's just me. That's
what drives me in my own musical endeavors (endeavours). There's always a
certain sense of mystique about a band until you actually see what they
look like...then you go...man, isn't that Elvis guy just
really....cheesy? What were they thinking? I know people that didn't like
MWH based on the fact that they looked kind of stupid in their videos.
Many of these people think that MWH are a cheesy sounding band...I don't.
I like the kind of simple pop songs that MWH, AFOS (A Flock of Seagulls),
Trans-X, and others created during the 80's...I love synth-pop. But I had
"great" expectations before I got the videos and I was on a Moonbeam
until the whole video was over...then I came sliding down. It was over!
I'd seen what I'd been waiting to see and thought I'd never see for the
past 10 years or so....all in one night. My 'is that it?' was more of a
letdown in the sense of "the search is over and I've seen it all" instead
of "that was pretty boring". Many of the videos were hilarious and the
21st Century video was 'Great' with a capital G. A great big H for the
Hall...

Rod

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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 04 Feb 1997 15:17:26 +0100 (MET)

>
> just out of curiousity guys, am I the only female on this list.  I don't think
> I remember any girls posting anything on the list.  Are they just quiet or are
> female MWH fans nonexistent.  Just wondering.
>                         Hillary
>
One or two other females subscribed for getting ROY from me.
You're not alone.  :-)

Thomas

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From: david richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 04 Feb 1997 09:52:14 -0500

> <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >Maybe this will stir things up:  What song, by any group or artist,
> >would you like to hear Ivan et al. cover?  MWH did a bang-up job with
> >SOS, I think, but I wasn't that crazy about I am the Walrus (I didn't
> >like it when the Beatles did it, either, though).
>-Sorry to come into this late, butwhat song is "SOS"?  Is it the ABC song or the ABBA
song?  Thanks-Dave

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH songs to redo
Date: 04 Feb 1997 10:15:54 -0600

    I can't think of any songs MWH could redo, but what about this:
What groups could get away with remaking MWH songs and what songs could they
remake.
    Oh, I would like to hear MWH do some more Beatles cover (I've never
heard their version of I am the Walrus.)  I think they should redo Strawberry
Fields Forever or Penny Lane, something along those lines.

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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2for1 distribution(2)
Date: 04 Feb 1997 19:04:26 +0100 (MET)

Howdy all you hatters!

Up to now, 31 people have shown their interest in getting the ROY/FOT80's
2for1 CD from me, even though I made you quite anxiuos about what it might
cost. (You'll see that I was wrong ;-)
In particulary, there will be no necessity to undergo any trouble about
'shipment points' in the US. I found a way to ship to you directly from
Germany at very reasonable prices.

Everybody who has stated his interest for this CD should have received a
confirmation from me a few days ago. If someone hasn't, please contact me.

Here are the expected costs in detail, according to the current standings -
Hope it's not too complicated (but I'm afraid it is...)  ($ means USD):

1.) Disc price
- Negotiations with Carl Oglio are still going on. The disc is expected to
  sell for $15.98, just like other 2for1's from Oglio Records. Yet, Carl has
  offered to grant a discount for us hatters, but cannot give any details
  because his calculations are not yet finished. Did I hit the point, Carl?

- I found some record shops that basically offered to grant a discount if I
  buy a bunch of discs at once. On the other hand, I didn't see much point in
  contacting any wholesale dealers yet, because the release details of the
  disc are still unknown. Though, for obvious reasons, from the point of
  logic, one would expect that Carl's offer should be the best anyway.
  (hint, hint :-)

Unfortunately, currency conversion will cost another 7% of disc price. It's
simply because one dollar that I send to Carl will cost me more DM than I will
get for one dollar you hatters will send to me. As I'm not making any profit
by this whole transaction, I don't want to make losses as well.
Things might change, though, depending of the method of payment used. Also,
I'd be glad about any other suggestions at this point. I don't like it myself.

2.) Postage
Lucky enough, I found out that the German mail service grants considerable
discounts on overseas shipments under certain conditions.
Shipping 31 packages via air mail would cost $6.70 each package.
Due to extremely complicated details of postage rates here in Germany, with
increasing number of packages the price per unit will then continously
decrease down to $5.2 each unit at a quantity of 50 packages. For more than
50 packages the price per package will stay the same (unless I send 5000
packages ;-).
Shipping via surface mail (which I can do individually if someone wishes) will
save $2.40, as well as shipping to European locations.
Postage may become less if the actual packages will be lighter than I assumed
for the above calculation (they won't weight more). Before time for payment
has come I will weight a sample and we'll see.

3.) Packaging
To be shipped at the above prices, all packages have to be IDENTICAL. I would
have made freebie boxes myself, but they just won't accept it. :-(
I received a sample of the boxes I will use today; they will be about $0.50
each.

4.) Money transfer
Sending the money to Carl will cost me fixed $21 (remember, I'll have to send
$480 or even more).


***Summary***

        31 discs    50 discs

discs:        $17.10 - X    $17.10 - X
postage (air)    $ 6.70        $ 5.20
packaging    $ 0.50        $ 0.50
money transfer    $ 0.67        $ 0.42
        ----------    ----------
total        $24.97 - X    $23.22 - X

(whereby X is Carl's generous discount multiplied with 1.07)

This price may change depending on the final list price of the discs.
The discs may become cheaper depending on:
    method of payment (maybe)
    weight of packages
    shipping via surface mail (saves $2.40, individual)
    cost of packaging

This is all I can say at this point. I hope everybody feels 'well-informed'!
I think the offer is o.k. Please consider that the initial list price of the
discs is already $16 due to the fact that it's a twofer.

Anyone who feels that (s)he'd also want a copy at this pice, feel free to
contact me. Anyone of the 31 people who feels it's too expensive please do as
well.

Lots of greetings,

Thomas

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 04 Feb 1997 13:19:45 +0000

Yikes!

I'm still forgetting to send this to the list instead of just the one
person.  Duh!

Mikey - what's my nickname again?!

Dave asked...
> Sorry to come into this late, but what song is "SOS"?  Is it the
> ABC song or the ABBA song?

And I reply...
It's the ABBA one.  On 21C, if you have it.  It's a pretty good
cover, imho.  Some might think Ivan's voice is too deep for the
song, but I Like it.  ;-)

Then,  lshar1766 said ...
> Oh, I would like to hear MWH do some more Beatles cover (I've
> never heard their version of I am the Walrus.)  I think they should
> redo Strawberry Fields Forever or Penny Lane, something along those
> lines.

If he were to do more Beatles, how about While My Guitar Gently
Weeps?  I think that would suit Ivan's vocal range.  Plus, if he's
really returning to synth (thank goodness!), this would also be
ironic.  ;-)  (I've just been doing English and reading tests - I'll
try to write something onomatopoeic soon).

For a great yip-opportunity (yipportunity?), maybe Hello Goodbye?

Hey, isn't YIP onomatopoeic?

Off to do Algebra 1!

CUL8R!!

;-) Laura

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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hello goodbye guys
Date: 04 Feb 1997 22:01:37 -0500 (EST)

I agree with Laura on both counts.  The MWH "SOS" is great, and I would
even say superior to the original.  It is very well produced, retains the
charm of the original, yet has many little added flourishes.  (Hmm, kinda
like the Star Wars re-release... :-)
Also, "Hello Goodbye" would be a perfect Beatles song  for MWH to do.  I
can see it done in that PGtW/21C style.  It's upbeat and has a lot of loud
interjections, kind of like "Jenny Wore Black," "Everybody's Selling
Something," or even "Ideas for Walls."  Also, there is a good blend of
piano, bass, guitar, and orchestra; the latter could be turned into
that signature Hats synth.  I'm a big Beatles fan, and am glad to know
they were one of Ivan's influences.
Hatlessly yours,
C.Frey
"Is everybody confused?"   "NO!!!"
"Jenny wore black, and Jenny wore white-"   "W H I T E !!!"
"We're coming out in S - T - E - R - E - O - O - O ! ! !"
"You say yes-"        ("I say yes!")
"I say no-"           ("But I  may mean no")
"You say stop-"       ("I can stay")
"and I say go-go-go!" ("till it's time to go!")

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From: [e-mail] (Heidi)
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 04 Feb 1997 23:30:27 -0500

 > Hilary asks...
 > just out of curiousity guys, am I the only female on this list.

Nope, there are several of us. But for a band no longer together, after
a while there's not going to be alot to talk about on a steady basis.
Especially for those of us who really just like the first few albums.

  And Laura added-
  The live show was great, too.  I had seen them live [..] waaaaay back on
  the ROY tour

Yep, that was the first time I saw them too. It was great to see them in
a nice small club. Does anyone know was that first tour a pretty extensive
one, or did they just hit the major cities?

=}{=


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Number for Canadian Greatest Hats
Date: 05 Feb 1997 02:29:55 -0500 (EST)

Hey men (and women):

I put off ordering the Greatest Hats cd for awhile and was wondering if
anyone had the phone number for (I believe) HMV in Canada that can mail order
it.  I know it was listed on the list sometime back, but I must have erased
the message.

I'd appreciate the number and if anyone ordered from there without a problem,
I'd like to know as well!

Thanks

Greg the Shriekman

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 05 Feb 1997 08:05:39 +0000

Heidi sez...

> Yep, that was the first time I saw them too. It was great to see them in
> a nice small club. Does anyone know was that first tour a pretty extensive
> one, or did they just hit the major cities?

Hmm, I wouldn't consider Orlando Florida to have been a "major" city
back in '83 or '84 .  Where else did other people see the tour??

L8R!!

;-) Laura

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Number for Canadian Greatest Hats
Date: 05 Feb 1997 08:17:58 +0000

Greg asked about ordering Greatest Hats from a music store in Toronto...

> I'd appreciate the number and if anyone ordered from there without a problem,
> I'd like to know as well!

The number is 1-800-567-8468 (which I pulled off of Tom's email from
like October 18th).  I ordered GH from there, and it arrived in less
than a week!  They were very nice, and I appreciated that they were
so prompt.  I had no problems ordering from there at all.

Bonne chance!
;-) Laura

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: (hats) hey guys
Date: 05 Feb 1997 14:22:52 +0000

Oh, good!  I'm not the only one who forgets to change the reply to
field!!

;-) Laura

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>Heidi sez...
>
>> Yep, that was the first time I saw them too. It was great to see them in
>> a nice small club. Does anyone know was that first tour a pretty extensive
>> one, or did they just hit the major cities?
>
>Hmm, I wouldn't consider Orlando Florida to have been a "major" city
>back in '83 or '84 .  Where else did other people see the tour??
>
>L8R!!
>
>;-) Laura

They also played In Toronto (summer 83) at Ontario Place (to about 8 ,000
people)
 Also they played Summer 84 at Kingswood Music Theatre and Oct 84 at the
Diamond Club
(Kingswood / Diamond were durning the WDTBG World Tour) - Actually Aug 18
and 19 / 84
was the first dates of the world tour  ( local Toronto Band " the spoons"
opened)

I was talking to a friend who said he saw them open for "the psycadelic
furs" in Toronto (winter 83) and said audience members were yelling out MEN
WITHOUT TALENT !!! < apparently they hadnt done many live shows at that
point, and the Safety Dance hadnt broken the charts.

W



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From: CartOOn Guy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Is Henning still here?
Date: 05 Feb 1997 14:40:56 -0500 (EST)

I am apologize for this message being off topic, but if Henning
Schmiedehausen is still on this mailing list, can you e-mail please?  I've
been trying to reach you but have been unsuccessful.

Thank you :)
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) Looking for Mr. Bookwalter...
Date: 05 Feb 1997 23:42:16 -0800

Sorry to diverge from Hatness for a second, but I no longer have the
esteemed J.R. Bookwalter's e-mail address. I need to ask him a question
about how he prepared the "sticker" that covers the actual CD itself in
the 3 boots he made.

J.R., if you're reading, you can e-mail me directly! And if anyone has it
and can send it to me, please do:

    [e-mail]

Thanks in advance!

ObMWH:
    There's one non-"Sideways" song that I see get trashed on the mailing
    list quite often that I actually really like: "21st Century Safety
    Dance". I don't know if people dislike it because it's not in the
    same techno spirit as the "original",  but it's always made me
    bob my head and sway to the beat. I'd be interested in hearing why
    the song's detractors feel the way they do...

Don2
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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Covers
Date: 06 Feb 1997 11:30:14 -0800

> Maybe this will stir things up:  What song, by any group or artist,
> would you like to hear Ivan et al. cover?

There's one song that I've always wanted to see done in that synth style
of ROY and FOTE. (Never got around to doing it myself either.) And don't
anybody laugh!!  How about "The Ballad of Gilligan's Isle"?  Of course,
there's always an instrumental (done like Eurotheme) of the one from "I
Dream of Jeannie". Surely MWH could do a better job of it than that
Fresh guy!
Hmmmm, maybe I'm getting too much TV lately.

Senz

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Covers
Date: 06 Feb 1997 11:33:33 -0800

> Maybe this will stir things up:  What song, by any group or artist,
 > would you like to hear Ivan et al. cover?

 There's one song that I've always wanted to see done in that synth
style
 of ROY and FOTE. (Never got around to doing it myself either.) And
don't
 anybody laugh!!  How about "The Ballad of Gilligan's Isle"?  Of course,
 there's always an instrumental (done like Eurotheme) of the one from "I
 Dream of Jeannie". Surely MWH could do a better job of it than that
 Fresh guy!
 Hmmmm, maybe I'm getting too much TV lately.

 Senz

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From: Catherine Forget <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) (pas d'objet)
Date: 07 Feb 1997 11:20:11 -0800

hi everybody
the spell is almost broken
c u soon
ivan

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) (pas d'objet)
Date: 07 Feb 1997 09:23:09 -0800


If this is really Ivan, then... well, welcome aboard! We've missed you!

Don2
[e-mail]

P.S. Does anyone know if the 2-on-1 is still scheduled for release in
    Europe on Feb. 10?

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hi everybody
the spell is almost broken
c u soon
ivan

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Subject: Re: (hats) (pas d'objet)
Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:33:11 +0000




The first several blank lines represent my stunned silence.

Is it really you?

Bienvenue!

:-) Laura


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From: Mike Best <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD stickers...
Date: 07 Feb 1997 11:37:24 -0700 (MST)

I can answer that for you 'dstroud'...  You simply buy pre-cut sticky
labels from the shops and print them yourself on any type of printer.  I
use the Neato system, which comes with a special applicator to get the
sticky on the CD nice and central - that was about 60UKSterling.  The
stickers come in all colours - even see-through though you'll have to make
sure that the blank CD-R disks that you buy don't have any pre-printed
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From: CartOOn Guy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan is here?
Date: 07 Feb 1997 14:17:23 -0500 (EST)

Have I missed something?  I saw two messages so far exclaiming the wonderful
news that Ivan is on this list.





                      silence







Oh my.....what does a fan say in a moment like this?  You know how for years
you say when you meet your favourite groups and singers you'd have a million
things to say?  And you know how when you finally meet them you are at a
loss of words?
Well it's happening now!  :) Merci, Ivan, pour la musique!
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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 07 Feb 1997 22:44:07 +0100 (MET)

Hi!

I'd just like to know who has made that ascii-MWH-logo I've seen some time ago
(and saved to my hard disk).

Thanks!

Thomas

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From: david richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re:Bienvenue
Date: 07 Feb 1997 17:47:43 -0500

Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer wrote:
>
> The first several blank lines represent my stunned silence.
>
> Is it really you?
>
> Bienvenue!
>
>Well, not to jump on the wagon, but if this is so I would appreciate it if Ivan could
contact me.  I am interested in doing an interview with him for an upcoming issue of
Lexicon. Thanks.

-David Richards, Editor
Lexicon
"A Magazine About Music From The 80's"

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 07 Feb 1997 18:02:23 EST

That was me...

Rod

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Ivan is here?
Date: 07 Feb 1997 18:59:00 -0800

> Have I missed something?  I saw two messages so far exclaiming the wonderful
> news that Ivan is on this list.
>
> <> Daniele Rossi


I feel like I've missed something too!  Where did this message appear,
exactly?

> hi everybody
> the spell is almost broken
> c u soon
> ivan

Anybody?  Thanx,

Senz

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 07 Feb 1997 23:03:55 EST

On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:02:23 EST [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
writes:
>That was me...
>
>Rod
>
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Ummm...excess quoted text? Could someone please elaborate on the above
blurb. It doesn't look like a lot of text to me....what's the deal?

Rod

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 08 Feb 1997 09:08:12 -0800

> Ummm...excess quoted text? Could someone please elaborate on the above
> blurb. It doesn't look like a lot of text to me....what's the deal?
>
> Rod

To whom ever is operating this listing:

There appears to be something amiss here.

1.  Some people are not recieving some postings
2.  Others are getting messages about excess quotage when there's not
much in the first place!

my suggestion is to either:

1. stop tampering with perfection  or...
2. start tampering with the imperfection

Thanx,   :)

Senz

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Subject: Re: (hats) Number for Canadian Greatest Hats
Date: 08 Feb 1997 12:06:48 -0500 (EST)

Hey Greg!

Why do you need HMV number in Canada?  I'm from Montreal, I could check!

ciao!

Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Canadian Band
Date: 08 Feb 1997 12:20:43 -0500 (EST)


Hello hatters!!!!

You see, I am from Montreal, home of MWH.  Everybody are talking about Celine
Dion.  YES she's good,  but honestly, I prefer MWH.

Since the beginnig, we're talking about music and song.  But if you come to
Montreal one day, leave me a message and I will do you a tour.  If you
remember Where do the boys go video, the big orange ball (that is a
restaurant), the olympic stadium, etc etc.  and THE BIG BOHOMME that is a
trade mark of Quebec City for the Carnaval.


Vous savez aussi que Ivan parle aussi bien le francais que l'anglais.
   Est-ce qu'il y a des gens parmis vous qui parlez Francais????

Ivan's influence is based on French and English Music.  here in Quebec, we
have some French band very good.

Anyway, just to let you know about my culture and MHW culture.
WE CAN ACT LIKE WE COME, FROM OUT OF THIS WORLD.......

Francis

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From: Dale Plants <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Ivan is here?
Date: 08 Feb 1997 13:59:38 -0800 (PST)

ivan, oh great one,
please sir, please please please find a way to let us pay you to have a
copy of those rare demo songs  that absolutly no one has. i'll start by
giving  $100.00.  please please please.
dale
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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) money not an issue
Date: 08 Feb 1997 17:14:16 -0500

Dale....
Somethings money can't buy.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 08 Feb 1997 15:43:35 -0700 (MST)

> Ummm...excess quoted text? Could someone please elaborate on the above
> blurb. It doesn't look like a lot of text to me....what's the deal?

The excess quoted text was removed.

Like the message said, if you don't want your messages filtered in this way,
edit down the quoted text you include when you reply to the list.  (This is
mentioned in the list intro message, so no fair acting like it's a surprise!)

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: "Hugo Bugg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan where are you?
Date: 08 Feb 1997 22:34:33 -0500

Ivan

Hath thee awaken ?

We should get so real time chat happening.

Hugo Bugg

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From: "Mattingly, David Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ascii arts
Date: 10 Feb 1997 06:56:00 PST


As I remember, it was me and Lazlo Nibble, and I think one other person.
It's been so long ago that I can't remember exactly which of us started
it and which finished it.

Dave Mattingly

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Subject: (hats) 2 for 1 release??
Date: 10 Feb 1997 13:11:58 +0000


There was talk that the 2 for 1 was going to be released on 10th Feb. I don't
know whether that was meant to include the UK, but there's certainly no sign
or even mention of it anywhere over here...

Carl, can you confirm it's release date yet??  .....or should I be able to get
hold of it now?

Chris.

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Subtitled for your convenience ...
Date: 10 Feb 1997 08:32:32 +0000

Bounjour, Hatters!

Please excuse the lack of accents - silly American computer ...  ;-)

And please excuse any errors in vocabulary, usage, or spelling -
silly American girl (who's *very* out of practice!!)  ;-)

Francis a ecrit ... [Francis wrote]

> Vous savez aussi que Ivan parle aussi bien le francais que l'anglais.
[asking if we all know that Ivan is bilingual]

>    Est-ce qu'il y a des gens parmis vous qui parlez Francais????
[anybody else here speak French?]

Moi, aussi!  Mais je n'ai personne avec qui je peux parler - mon
mari est un vrai americain (il parle seulement anglais).  C'est
dommage!  Peut-etre je dois te visiter, Francis!

[Me, too.  But I don't have anyone to speak French with - my hubby,
a real American, only speaks English.  Bummer.  Maybe I'll just have
to take Francis up on his offer and visit Montreal.]

Les autres?
[Anybody else?]

;-) Laura, waiting for the day that NC makes a French test ...

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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal trip
Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:17:16 -0500



> [Me, too.  But I don't have anyone to speak French with - my hubby,
> a real American, only speaks English.  Bummer.  Maybe I'll just have
> to take Francis up on his offer and visit Montreal.]
>
> Les autres?
> [Anybody else?]

> ;-) Laura, waiting for the day that NC makes a French test ...

Here's an idea, Laura:
Why don't a bunch of us take a trip to Montreal ->  on the night Ivan
performs to promote his new album, that is..... The Montreal gig!   Then
Francis can take a bunch of us around and we can be there for the new
concert as well.   It can't be too far in the future.   I'm actually
reserving a couple of vacation days from work, just in case.

Tom
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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) 2 for 1 release??
Date: 10 Feb 1997 08:10:21 +0000

Chris:

Actually, the manufacturing is set to be done today (the 10th). We are
working on distribution in the UK right now.

Oglio


Christopher Handshaw wrote:
>
> There was talk that the 2 for 1 was going to be released on 10th Feb. I don't
> know whether that was meant to include the UK, but there's certainly no sign
> or even mention of it anywhere over here...
>
> Carl, can you confirm it's release date yet??  .....or should I be able to get
> hold of it now?
>
> Chris.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) French culture
Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:17:50 -0500 (EST)

Bravo Laura!

Ton francais est parfait.  Es-tu originaire du quebec????

I guess I have to do the translation, so everybody will learn French.

HEy guys, be like Ivan, speak both language!!!!


De quel endroit es-tu Laura???

bye
Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) GIG to Montreal
Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:21:12 -0500 (EST)

Hey Tom!
  You want me to drive the bus????  NOOOOOOO PROBLEM.  I hope you have good
insurance hahahahaha

If you want, we can visit " Le spectrum"  where MWH played a couple of times.

ciao!

Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) trip to Montreal
Date: 11 Feb 1997 07:40:25 -0500 (EST)

Bonjour Danielle

Ton francais est excellent.

You speak a better frech than my Italian hahahaha
and I dont want to talk about my poor English.  There is a lot of people here
in province of Quebec who do not speak English at all.  So I grew in a French
culture.  It's not "French" like in Europe.  This is french from Quebec that
is different.

DAnielle=>  to answer to your question,YES they have the "vox pop speaker" at
musique plus!


Am I the only Montrealer here???????

Ciao!

Francis

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ou est tout le monde?
Date: 12 Feb 1997 13:34:30 +0000

Or, where did everybody go?  (not just the boys, but *everybody!*)

It got awfully quiet all of a sudden.

Is it because you-know-who popped up?

I admit, I don't quite know what to say, myself.  But I'm going to
try, anyway.  ;-)  It's difficult to take nearly 14 years of
questions, comments, praise, criticisms, thoughts, feelings, and
beliefs, and condense them into a few lines of email for Ivan to see.
How can I ever express everything I've wondered or thought and not
sound like a complete idiot?  Well, here goes -- one line...

Thank you for the music.

[Yes, I purposely alluded to ABBA!]


Francis asked...
> Ton francais est parfait.  Es-tu originaire du quebec????
[he says I didn't screw up, and wonders if I'm from Quebec]

Je suis nee aux Etats-Unis, et j'y habite toujours, mais j'ai
commence d'apprendre francais quand j'avais onze ans (j'avais 27 ans
maintenant - c'est longtemps!).   Mon premier prof est quebecoise
(can I do that?  a female teacher, but the word "professeur" is
masc.), et la deuxieme (same problem) a etudie a McGill (comme
Ivan!).  En general, les gens qui me demandent si je suis canadienne
m'a ecoutee!  Est-ce que je tape avec une accent?  ;-)

[Born and bred in the USA, but I started taking French when I was 11
(since I'm 27 now, that's a heckuva long time).  My first French
teacher was French Canadian [minor digression on grammar], and the
second studied at McGill U in Montreal (where Ivan originally went
to study film, according to a fanzine article I read and committed
to memory back in like 1983).  Usually, the only people who ask if
I'm French Canadian are the ones who have heard me speak French.  Do
I type with an accent?  ;-)  ]

> I guess I have to do the translation, so everybody will learn French.

It's the teacher in me.  Anyone want to learn to do regression
analysis or the three-parameter logistic item response theory model
via email?  ;-)

Back to the Algebra 1 test!

:-) Laura in North Caroline

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 12 Feb 1997 20:48:40 -0500 (EST)

Hey Laura!

People are affraid to come in Montreal, that's why nobody answer!!!!

Or maybe because we put some French in some message???? I hope not.


J.R. -->  Where are you?

bye

Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 12 Feb 1997 22:16:08 -0500 (EST)

Hey!!!!

I'm from Atlanta, GA and I would say that I loved the city of Montreal!!!!
 It was the people that I hated.  NO!!!!!! I am just kiding.  Everyone that I
met was very nice and showed me a great time.  I will say that many of the
people seemed to be very private.  Very European ( I hope that that is not an
insult...I don't mean for it to be one for Canadians or Europeans).   I had a
preconception that Montreal would be an extension of Upstate New York, but I
was wrong.  Even the Coca-Cola was different.

I hope that I haven't offended half of the world with this little rambling of
mine.

Hey!!!  How about that solo CD by Ivan?  Won't that be somethin'!!!!

Your friend,

Brad

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 12 Feb 1997 21:28:45 -0800

> People are affraid to come in Montreal, that's why nobody answer!!!!
>
> Or maybe because we put some French in some message???? I hope not.

> Francis

I always wanted to visit Montreal (my wife's been there, she loved
watching the Montreal Canadiens play at the Forum!).  I've been to
almost every other place in Canada west of Quebec!  I guess I never
could quite work Quebec into my trips.  But I sure would love to go some
day and especially to an Ivan concert. Maybe to also meet my hero Mr J.
Bonhomme!  Which brings up a point; for me, MWH, has, more than any
other source, stirred up my interest in French Canadian culture. Ivan
has definately made me proud that Quebec is a part of Canada! I do know
some French but definately not enough to speak it!  I learned what I
know from high school. I keep telling myself that someday I will learn
it properly! (Ha, Ha!) (My instructor was a bore!!)
To be honest though, I could never quite figure out Rene Simmard, but I
loved the synth-pop scene (The Box and Trans-x are also favourites of
mine). BTW, Francis, is there still any kind of synth-pop scene in
Quebec?

Senz

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 12 Feb 1997 22:19:13 -0800

hey Francis....
Im in Montreal the 2nd week of march... am i gonna get a tour or what ??!!!

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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Collection
Date: 13 Feb 1997 17:41:02 +0100 (MET)

Hatters,

as far as I can figure it out, 'Editions of You' and 'Where Do The Boys Go?
(Extended)' are not available on CD except for Carl's Collection CD (plus the
Canadian rip-off). Are they worth buying a whole CD? Any comments welcome!

Thomas

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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Collection
Date: 13 Feb 1997 10:11:17 -0800

Hi,

..yes, if only just to have the extended "I Got Message Message" track
on CD!

Jim

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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) videotape comment
Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:49:37 -0500

  Hello all!
Sorry I haven't been writing to any of you.  Oh yeah, its Tom the video
guy.  Ive been busy busy busy!  I am currently working on getting a
transfer in my company that will mean a $6,000 raise, if I actually get it.
  I've had all my interviewing and its down to 3 people!   Problem is , I
am worried sick.  If I get rejected my heart will be broken.   I will find
out next week.  I will be pulling my hair out until then.....   OK now for
the business at hand.
       Here is my opinion on the video.   Of course I am going to say I
like it....   In my case, the video and CDs have increased my love of Men
Without Hats and not dimished it.   Here is why.....   (well besides the
fact that I love all the videos and think that MWH kicks butt live):
     I can now enjoy MWH for what they really are.... or what they should
be - a megahit band, not a one hit wonder band.   I have always had the
theory that the only thing holding MWH back was lack of exposure.   I feel
that most people simply don't like a band becasue they THINK that no one
else likes them, they are not COOL or whatever, so they don't give the band
a chance.   Now that I have this videotape - I tested my theory with my
metalhead - rap - grunge friends, you won't beleive the results.   I showed
most of friends the video with the attitude like "of course they have 8
videos--- they are huge like depeche mode".  -- just to see what  would
happen.    All of my friends (except for one who truly despises MWH)
watched the tape all the way through.   After really getting to know the
band, most of them half way like them, and two love them.   These are
people who listen to metalica etc.    Of course we could all care less one
way or the other if MWH is popular or not.  We will love them no matter
what.   But to some sheep this is all that matters.... ha ha.   In other
words,  The more rare MWH stuff I have -> the BETTER I like this band + the
more I can show them off to the non believers.
      Now bring on the demos!!!   I am hungry again.

        By the way, Francis -   I am dead serious about going to Montreal
to visit.  Let me just find out whether or not I have this job or not.
Try and keep your eyes on Musique Plus to see if Ivan is playing a concert
in Montreal soon.   I WILL definately visit then - somehow.   If a concert
doesn't happen soon, I will come and visit you anyway in a couple of
months.   I might lose my vacation days when I transfer... This is all I've
got to see.   But you have a great idea Francis!
I am with you.

Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:33:39 -0500 (EST)

The good thing in Montreal is the people speak French and English.  If you go
suburband or at Quebec City, it's 98% French.

Bye
Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Montreal band
Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:38:17 -0500 (EST)

Hey Senz!

There is a lot of French and English bands here in Montreal.  You know The
Box, Corey Hart, Celine Dion, Go van Go, the Nylons, etc.

Some french bands or artists like Richard Seguin, Harmonium, Beau dommage,
Bundock, Celine dion, Jean Leloup, and more and more.

Those bands or artists are some MWH influence.

bye
Francis

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 13 Feb 1997 23:35:31 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> The good thing in Montreal is the people speak French and English.  If you go
> suburband or at Quebec City, it's 98% French.

Yup, we stayed in an apartment in Montreal proper (near the St. Henri
Metro stop), and we visited a little diner where the waitress' answer to
"Do you understand English?" was (spelling...) "com ce, com ca" which I've
understood to be "so-so".  Anyway, one of the guys with us was from
Columbia, Tennessee (a little town whose main holiday is Mule Day... I
kid you not).  He tried to say "Merci" and butchered it REALLY badly to
sound like "Mercy" with a southern drawl "Murrr-see".  After grating my
teeth (even though I don't speak French), I had to laugh. :)

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Affraid of Montreal?????
Date: 13 Feb 1997 23:37:03 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> The good thing in Montreal is the people speak French and English.  If you go
> suburband or at Quebec City, it's 98% French.
> Francis

Just remembered the actual street we stayed on: Rue Ste. Marguerite (sp?)

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Editions Of You / Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended)
Date: 14 Feb 1997 01:11:08 -0500 (EST)

I bought the "Collection" when I first saw it on the shelf and love listening
to it frequently.

I have owned the "Where Do The Boys Go?" 12-inch vinyl single for years and
was quite pleased to have another copy of it on CD.

I have no idea where "Editions Of You" comes from.  Having it on "Collection"
is the first time I've ever seen or heard of it.  (Can anybody here tell me
more regarding its origin?)

I personally think that the extended version of "Where Do The Boys Go?" is
quite a remix - infinitely moreso than what passed as a remix for "Pop Goes
The World"!  And "Editions Of You" is quite funny because of the little
cheezy synth notes in the beginning.  I mean, it can get no cheesier than
that - which is what makes it so *fun*!!!

The inclusion of both of these tracks cause me to give "Collection" enough
stars to recommend buying it for them alone - but of course one gets so much
more to listen to in doing so as well.

Myke
Myke

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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan is here?
Date: 07 Feb 1997 22:13:54 GMT

At 14:17 07/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Have I missed something?

Over my head too!!

Gregor


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Collection
Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:58:11 +0100 (MET)

Hi!

Thanks to those people who have replied to my inquiry.
Now, after listening to my 7" copy of WDTBG (which I had picked up some time
ago and which had been collecting dust since then...) for several times, I
found out that the answer to my question is definitively YES!!!
Plus, Myke praised the quality of the remix, even in comparison to PGTW!
And Editions Of You seems to be ultra-rare material. Where did you pick it up,
Carl?

Greetings, Thomas!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Rational Youth
Date: 14 Feb 1997 14:54:25 GMT

A while ago someone mentioned Rational Youth and their connection to
MwH.

Could anyone get hold of a copy of their Greatest Hits on CD for
me?

ttfn,

Si

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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Collection
Date: 14 Feb 1997 07:32:34 +0000

> And Editions Of You seems to be ultra-rare material. Where did you pick it up, Carl

Editions of You was licensed from Marc Durand (the band's early
producer) personally. The track was never released comercially and this
particular version had not even been bootleged when we released our
Collection.

Carl

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From: [e-mail] (Heidi)
Subject: Re:  (hats) ou est tout le monde?
Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:57:57 -0500

  From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
  It got awfully quiet all of a sudden.  Is it because you-know-who popped
  up? It's difficult to take nearly 14 years of [..] and condense them into
  a few lines of email for Ivan to see.

Was that actually confirmed though? All I've seen was a forwarded message
signed by someone named Ivan. Several of us never saw the original post
and I've yet to see anything saying that's who it really is. So have I
missed some mail and ID is on the list and sent something to it or are
people just extrapolating like crazy because someone singed a post with
that name?

=}{=

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From: CaRtOoN GuY <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) oops
Date: 14 Feb 1997 11:12:03 -0500 (EST)

by the way, there is no hidden track on the 21st Century Cd.  I realized my
mistake after I took out the Cd from my CDROM drive.  "ELoise & I seem to
take up tracks 9 and 10 (9 being an intro).  So 21st century Saftey Dance is
the song I flipped over.  Which, I'm sure, half of you already knew! :)
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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Montreal band
Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:23:26 -0800

> Some french bands or artists like......
> Bundock
> Those bands or artists are some MWH influence.


Bundock!! Wow, I haven't heard anybody mention that group for about 10
years! I bought their mini album 'Mauve' back in 1986/87 and thought it
was pretty good.  I bought it because Marc Durand produced it.  Of
course, I knew they were Quebecois but they seemed to sing mostly in
English (maybe it was just this album, though).

Senz

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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the spell
Date: 14 Feb 1997 13:58:48 -0500

Just found out through a friend in Toronto that Ivans new album is going
to be called "the spell"
Release date TBA soon
"the spell will soon be broken"

the canadian release date may be as soon as next month

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) the spell
Date: 14 Feb 1997 22:49:33 -0500 (EST)


>Just found out through a friend in Toronto that Ivans new album is going
>to be called "the spell"
>Release date TBA soon
>"the spell will soon be broken"

That's weird.  Isn't that what was written in the message by "Ivan"?  The
plot thickens!
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) videotape comment
Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:41:40 -0500 (EST)

Hey TOM!!! Good luck for your transfer!!!!

BTW, you were talking about rare things.  Went I left Alert Music, the
manager was doing a cleanup in his old things.  I gave me 3 MWH posters (1
Folk of tyhe 80's, the first one, 1 is PGTW and one is the freeways tour)

At this time, I got the marvelous idea to laminated them and today, I still
have it.

I got also the first album Folk of the 80's, it's a 10 inches.

I got a MWH clock.  Very nice.

We have to open in Montreal the MWH museum...!!!!!

bye
Francis

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Editions Of You / Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended)
Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:47:03 -0500 (EST)

Hello Lord!

Editions of you was on the ROY album, the UK version.  Here in Canada, the
ROY album doesn't have Antartica and Editions of you.


BTW, is there to version of Antartica???

Francis

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Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Montreal band
Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:51:13 -0500 (EST)

Hey SENZ!!!!!!

Bundock released the're first album in 1987.  I like them because of the same
reason as yours, The band was produced by Marc Durand.   2 years later, they
released a second album.  They came back in 1989 and 1993 with French Album.


To make a short story, the lead singer of Bundock, PIERRE BUNDOCK use to play
saxophone on THE BOX album.  And the lead signer of THE BOX use to play
keyboard with MWH in summer 1981.

bye

Francis

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Subject: (hats) Editions of you
Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:53:08 -0500 (EST)

Carl-->  I thought Editions of you was on the UK album???

Did you talk to Marc Durand recently.

Ciao!

Francis

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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Video and CD
Date: 15 Feb 1997 20:25:01 -0600 (CST)


Hi all,


I'm new here but I am  huge Hats fan.  (OK not that big *here*)  Anyway, I
was wondering if I can get info on ordering the video.  Also I was
wondering  about the 3 disk (?) set that I've heard of.  Can I get info on
it?  Furthermore, when's ROY being re-released?  I heard March but does
anyone know for sure?

Thanks.

Paul Go
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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) oops/21C
Date: 15 Feb 1997 22:45:40 -0500 (EST)

Daniele,
One thing I like about the 21stC CD is the fact that "Eloise..."  and
"...and I" are tracked separately.  That way, if you're in a sad sort of
mood, you can just hear the first part, which IMHO, is one of the most
beautiful pieces written for piano EVER. But if you're feeling happy, you
can jump right into the second part of the song.  However, the
juxtaposition of the two parts is very appropriate, and seems to reflect
the idea that there are always two very different sides to Ivan.
hatlessly yours,
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Editions Of You
Date: 16 Feb 1997 09:14:07 -0500 (EST)

> Editions of You was licensed from Marc Durand (the band's early
> producer) personally. The track was never released comercially and this
> particular version had not even been bootlegged when we released our
> Collection.

Kewl!

Um, so going by the (c)1984 date shown by it on the CD insert would indicate
it came too late to be included in "Rhythm Of Youth" and didn't quite have the
sound of the then-new "Folk Of The 80s, Part III" - so it was shelved?

What's the exact history of this one, Carl?

Myke

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Editions Of You / Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended)
Date: 16 Feb 1997 09:52:54 -0500 (EST)

Um, I have an Italian pressing of ROY (on Statik) and the US version and
"Editions Of You" are on neither of them.  How many different versions of
ROY are there in the world?!

Apparently there are two versions of "Antarctica" - the first version which
appears on the "Folk Of The 80s" EP and the one which came later.  They
don't sound much different to me - but I still have yet to find time to
take notes while listening to them one after the other.

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Editions Of You
Date: 16 Feb 1997 15:17:53 -0600 (CST)

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:

> Um, so going by the (c)1984 date shown by it on the CD insert would indicate
> it came too late to be included in "Rhythm Of Youth" and didn't quite have the
> sound of the then-new "Folk Of The 80s, Part III" - so it was shelved?
>
> What's the exact history of this one, Carl?

According to previous discussions on this, it was intended to be part of
Folk 3, but wasn't completed in time...

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Editions Of You / Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended)
Date: 16 Feb 1997 15:19:40 -0600 (CST)

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:

> Apparently there are two versions of "Antarctica" - the first version which
> appears on the "Folk Of The 80s" EP and the one which came later.  They
> don't sound much different to me - but I still have yet to find time to
> take notes while listening to them one after the other.

Yes, the version of Antarctica which appeared on the US version of ROY was
an edit which was missing one of the verses: "Waters bending all out of
shape/I say jump boy before it's too late" or something to that effect.

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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Editions Of You / Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended)
Date: 16 Feb 1997 23:55:23 GMT

At 13:47 15/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Lord!
>
>Editions of you was on the ROY album, the UK version.  Here in Canada, the
>ROY album doesn't have Antartica and Editions of you.
>

None of my UK releases of ROY had either of the above tracks. Running order
is: Ban the game, Living in China, The great ones remember, I got the
message, Cocoricci, The safety dance, Ideas for walls, Things in my life, I
like and The great ones remember (reprise).


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From: Kevin Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2 Antarcticas
Date: 17 Feb 1997 09:38:28 -0600

Myke wrote:
>>there are two versions of "Antarctica" - the first version which appears on
the "Folk Of The 80s" EP and the one which came later.  They don't sound much
different to me<<

   I believe they're identical up 'til the latter part of the song--the Folk
III version goes into some different music and lyrics towards the end which
the ROY version lacks.

Kevin

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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Roy / Folk CD Is Here
Date: 17 Feb 1997 11:36:42 +0000

The first pressing of the 2 for 1 is here.

If you are outside the USA or Canada I can sell you one directly.
Otherwise, you must find it as an import or buy it from a friend
overseas. Sorry! Unfortunately, there is no news to report on a US or
Canadian release at this time. Sorry again!

For those outside North America:

The CD is $15.98 US dollars + $5 US dollars shipping. I suggest a credit
card for the best exchange rate. Second best would be an international
money order made out in US Dollars.

*** Credit Card (Visa/MC/Amex) ***

e-mail to [e-mail]
fax at [phone]

Include card number, expiry date, billing address, shipping address,
telephone number.

*** Money order ***

Oglio Records
PO Box 404-MWH241
Redondo Beach CA 90277

Don't for get to include your shipping address.

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From: Kevin Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Roy / Folk CD Is Here -Reply
Date: 17 Feb 1997 14:16:46 -0600

I've waited 14 years to see that statement!

Kevin  :)

(unfortunately, in the US :(  )

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From: Mark Causer <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: (hats) Roy / Folk CD Is Here
Date: 17 Feb 1997 21:19:35 GMT

Just a question Carl,=20

AS your selling them direct does this mean the CD WONT be available
over the counter in a record stores over here in the UK ?


Regards

Mark

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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2for1 distribution
Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:59:12 +0100 (MET)

Hi Folks!

I just wanted to let you know that the distribution of the ROY/Folk CD is
currenly being worked on. It will definitively happen.
Please don't email me with any requests now, I will approach you for orders
as soon as all details are clarified (which should be within the next few
days).

Later, Thomas

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Anyone Need 21st Century?
Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:21:19 UT

Hi all,

In celebration of my 7th sobriety birthday, my wife and I went up to Vancouver
B.C. While there, I found another copy of 21st Century, used for $8.99 (CAD).
I picked it up in case anyone out there doesn't have it and wants it. CAD 8.99
(plus those damn Canadian taxes) works out to be about $7.41 (USD). I am not
interested in making any money so if someone wants it for $7.41 plus what it
takes to ship it to you, it is yours.

Let me know...

-Russ Kemsley
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Covers
Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:57:30 -0500

Since "Freeways" mentions ABBA, Roxy, and T-Rex, and MWH has already
covered an ABBA and Roxy song, I've always wanted to hear them cover a
T-Rex song.

Anytime I hear "Get It On (Bang a Gong)" on the radio, I always imagine
Ivan singing it, and it sounds wonderful.

Dave Mattingly

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From: Mike Best <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2-4-1
Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:17:51 -0700 (MST)

I think that we should all put our hands together for Carl and the hard
work he's put in to getting the official Roy/FOT80s together.  Well done
big C :-)

Anyway, just ordered the new CD writing software so with any luck I'll soon
have _no_ excuse in making a new copy of the live CD again, this time with
no gaps inbetween the tracks!  I know that the software that JR had didn't
allow him to do that - thats Toast Pro I'm afraid!!

Tom: u got a DAT of the original recording? The only DAT I can do will be
from the video - not quite up to the quality of the master... Please let me
know.

Bonehead - you still breathing?  Still trying to get Blue Juice 4 u...

Chris Handshaw - coming to London any time?

Apart from that, was the message from Ivan real of fake - only Mulder and
Scully can tell us and their series on the UK TV network has finished -
booo - now we'll never know if the truth was out there... lol.   If it was
then it was a great honour for us all to hear from the 'Great One'.  Just
think, we may all have helped in giving him a nudge to get his finger out
(or sequencer anyway!!) and get recording some new material.  If the
rumours are true, then he was only just down the road from me - hey Ivan...
call in for a cup of tea next time!!!


Keep on talking... we might stop a War!
(Alaska Highway Jan'97)


Mike aka Moosey

PS Anybody want to IRC anytime?  I'm usually on the AU.Undernet Saturday
lunchtime (UK) in either the Macintosh or 25+ room.  You can talk direct
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) irc
Date: 19 Feb 1997 20:35:48 -0500 (EST)


>PS Anybody want to IRC anytime?  I'm usually on the AU.Undernet Saturday
>lunchtime (UK) in either the Macintosh or 25+ room.  You can talk direct
>though!  There might even be a MWH room someday - look for Moosey and bring
>some coffee...

I'd love to IRC.  I am usually on irc.stealth.net at 8pm Toronto time
(Eastern Standard time) on Thursdyas and Sundays.
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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats IRC channel
Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:30:53 -0500



> >PS Anybody want to IRC anytime?  I'm usually on the AU.Undernet Saturday
> >lunchtime (UK) in either the Macintosh or 25+ room.  You can talk direct
> >though!  There might even be a MWH room someday - look for Moosey and
bring
> >some coffee...
>
> I'd love to IRC.  I am usually on irc.stealth.net at 8pm Toronto time
> (Eastern Standard time) on Thursdyas and Sundays.


I think the closest thing to a Men Without Hats channel is "#Montreal2" on
an EFNET server.   #Montreal is the busy one, so we should have #Montreal2
mostly to ourselves.   I think we should all pick a date to meet there and
discuss MWH.

The folks on Montreal 1 +2 don't mind discussing the hats anyway, wow!

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Covers
Date: 20 Feb 1997 11:43:48 -0500

Many of us have heard Weird Al's Brady Bunch parody. Has anyone else
covered MWH?

The only one I know of is The Safety Dance as sung by Big Daddy, which
isn't entirely serious, either. Big Daddy takes oldies music and sings
modern lyrics to them, for example, singing Van halen's Jump to
Summertime Blues. He sang The Safety Dance to The Twist.

"C'mon baby, let's safety dance!"

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From: Tempe Video <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Last 2 Bootleg CD sets
Date: 21 Feb 1997 16:10:30 -0000

Hi Hatters,

After waiting and waiting for the last couple of people to send their
money for the trio of MWH CDs I made, I've decided to offer them up to
the list. There are only two sets, so I can only accept orders from the
first two people who e-mail me, sorry.

The price is $30 U.S. per set including postage to a U.S. address; $35
U.S. if you are out of the U.S. I will need your money before March 14th.
Please do not e-mail me unless you can do this. (I'm moving to L.A. in
April and trying to clear as much stuff out of my house before then!)

E-mail me and I'll contact you with my address if you are one of the two
people. Thanks and enjoy!

P.S.: Carl at Oglio kindly tossed me a freebie of his RHYTHM/FOLK 2-on-1
CD for making him two extra sets of bootlegs...just got it
yesterday...you guys are all in for a treat! Buy yours today! It's
awesome!


Regards,
J.R. BOOKWALTER

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From: Tempe Video <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Last 2 Bootleg Sets GONE!
Date: 21 Feb 1997 19:20:49 -0000

Hi again folks,

The two CDs are already gone. If you've got one, I've already sent you
e-mail. Thanks again.


Regards,
J.R. BOOKWALTER

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mike Best?
Date: 22 Feb 1997 01:31:31 -0500 (EST)

Hello,

Sorry for this off-topic post, but I need Mike Best's e-mail address.  Well,
Mike, what is it? :)
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From: KGB <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Rhythm Of Youth / Folk of the 80's Part III
Date: 22 Feb 1997 11:05:23 -0800

Am I the first?!

Just got the most excellent 2fer and it is awesome.  I've never heard
this material so clear and crisp before, and it only reinforces my
belief that MWH are THE most timeless sounding band.  Without the
familiar snap-crackle-pop of my vinyl, I could easily be fooled into
believing this was a brand new album (in the true - not reissue -
sense).  The packaging is wonderful, very professional with a great deal
of care and thought.

I can't thank you enough Carl for bringing this (perhaps the most
important 80's album ever made) to CD.  You are indeed a great man!  And
may I mention honorable too?  The liner notes was the icing on the  cake
for me - thanks for small moment of fame.

--
KGB (Kahlil Breithaupt)
The James Taylor Quartet Homepage
http://www.hevanet.com/kahlil/jtqframe.htm
It's too late.
Too late for the thousands of people driven to mental illness,
premature old-age, and suicide by the force-feeding to them of
a daily diet of despair and the doctrine of their own obsolescence.

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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Roy + Folk reissue
Date: 22 Feb 1997 14:38:23 -0500

Hi all,
Just got the new ROY + Folk CD.   Carl, how did you do this?  Let me just
say that this CD could not possibly be done better.   First of all, I own
the original STATIK CDs and this actually sounds better!   I thought this
to be technically impossible, since Statik records is out of business.  For
those of you who don't have the original CDs,
The artwork and inserts are exactly the same!  Its as if some more of the
original CDs were pressed, but even better w/ some extra artwork on the
back, courtesy of OGLIO.   Except for collector's value, the orignal $500
valued CDs are meaningless! Ok, maybe i'm overreacting a bit now.   But the
fact remains, this is truly amazing.   And remember, i'm one of the people
who noticed the "tape hiss" on the Collection CD.   This is coming from a
picky audiofille type of person.   Carl...... Congrats!  You have rescued
the first two MWH albums.     Thank You!!!!

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From: "Jody M. Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Roy + Folk reissue
Date: 22 Feb 1997 15:51:50 -0600

I'm new to the list and this talk of a CD is very intriguing indeed!  Is it too
late?  What are the specifics?

Phil Hunter V






Philip T. Hunter & Jody M. Jackson
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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 3cd Bootleg.
Date: 22 Feb 1997 20:26:53 -0600 (CST)


Hey out there,

Although I will get them on tape, I would like to get a copy of the three
disk bootleg actually on disk.  If someone is willing to sell or can find
a copy I would greatly appreciate it.  (I just missed the "two left"
special offer yesterday.  You've never seen a grown man so sad over
something so small.)

Take care all,

Paul Go
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From: Michael Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2 for 1 CD
Date: 22 Feb 1997 22:19:24 -0600

Hey, does anybody know what stores are selling the 2 for 1 CD.  If you
could let me know I would appreciate it?

Thanx,

Michael


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) a request from chile
Date: 23 Feb 1997 11:43:19 -0500 (EST)

hello,

I got a mesage from someone in Chile saying they found my address while
doing a search on MWH.  How odd, I don't even own a MWH web site.  Anyway,
the person asked me for info on where to get the bootleg video and CD.  The
video I know I can dub from my copy but what about the CDs?  For some reason
I remember reading a few posts where two people said they were making more
Cds. Am I going nuts?  Anyway, is there someone who is doing new CDs?

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From: Michael Vickers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Canadian Band
Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:17:39 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Hello hatters!!!!
>
> You see, I am from Montreal, home of MWH.  Everybody are talking about Celine
> Dion.  YES she's good,  but honestly, I prefer MWH.

CELINE DION?!?! (hack! hack!) a nice voice, but hate the songs...

> Since the beginnig, we're talking about music and song.  But if you come to
> Montreal one day, leave me a message and I will do you a tour.  If you
> remember Where do the boys go video, the big orange ball (that is a
> restaurant), the olympic stadium, etc etc.  and THE BIG BOHOMME that is a
> trade mark of Quebec City for the Carnaval.

Isn't the big orange ball, an Orange Julius stand?  I think I remember
seeing it from the Decarie trench...

> Vous savez aussi que Ivan parle aussi bien le francais que l'anglais.
>    Est-ce qu'il y a des gens parmis vous qui parlez Francais????

Oui, bien sur, mais peut-etre pas avec la plus belle grammaire ;-)  Est-ce
qu'il n'est pas vrai que Ivan et MWH devient de Outremont, par-ce que j'ai
un ami qui a dit que son frere a jouer avec MWH quelques fois pendant le
fin des anness 1970s ou les tots 1980s... quand ils seront seulement un
"garage band".

SO there... taht's my Ottawa anglo, french-immersion francais...

> Ivan's influence is based on French and English Music. here in Quebec,
we have some French band very good.

CVery tru... I'm quite fond of some other Montreal bands, such as The Box
and Mem, Mom & Morgentaler... what about you?

>
> Anyway, just to let you know about my culture and MHW culture.
> WE CAN ACT LIKE WE COME, FROM OUT OF THIS WORLD.......
>
> Francis


Salut,
Michael

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:41:03 -0500

Francis... Ive lost your number and address... Im flying into Montreal the
week after next....
L U N C H ???

Wolf



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From: Dave Teixeira <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Greatest Hits CD $9.99 (CDN)
Date: 23 Feb 1997 13:40:48 -0800

For those people in Western Canada, A&B Sound have the MWH "Greatest
Hits" CD for $9.99!  To be clear, this is *not* the Oglio (sp?)
"Collection" release of a year ago, but the more recent - and I believe
Canadian only - release.  I do not have the track listing handy, but I'm
sure someone on the list will be kind enough to repost it. ;>

If anyone is interested, I am willing to buy you a copy of the CD and
send it to you.  The popular method seems to be sending a money order,
then sending out the item.  If you are interested, drop me an e-mail
with your address and I'll let you know the whole cost ($9.99 + 15%
taxes + mailing/shipping).  As always, I am not looking to make any
money; I just want to help spread the MWH word/music.

See ya.

Dave Teixeira
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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Roy + Folk reissue
Date: 23 Feb 1997 17:31:06 -0500



----------
> ok, so you got it.
>
> how do the rest of us get it.  i am willing to do the mailing and things
in
> the US if someone can get me enough CD's for everybody.  Carl, is there
any
> way we can do this without getting you in trouble?
>  i know that you all don't hear from me very often, but i have been
listening
> to you all for a long time now, and i would like to get more invloved.
>
> please let me know your feelings.
>
> avi
>
>
> p.s. i do alot of import and export work in my company, so i know all
about
> tariffs and stuff.
>

I beleive Carl said that this CD will only be pressed in the UK and Brazil.
This would be alright because at least we could all get a copy as an
import.   On thing that worries me is some wording on the CD that says ,
"not for sale in the USA".   Carl, Does this mean that the US fans can't
get it as an import?   They can order it as an import right?   Just
wondering......
      I listened to the CD in my car today (cassette copy),  It definately
sounds better than the originals.  Its not even close.   I have compared
the original ROY, Folk and then the reissue and every time, the reissue
sounds better, sharper, more depth etc.   It can't possibly just be a
tranfer from the original CDs (could it?).
     If nothing else, its louder and EQed better than the original CDs.  I
hope my ears are not fooling me.


Tom
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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 241 CD Quality
Date: 23 Feb 1997 17:32:44 +0000

Thanks for the kind words about the 2 for 1 CD quality. We use the best
available masters and in this case the best masters were actually the
Statik CDs. The 1/4" 2 track masters have deteriorated so significantly
that they were not useable.

>From the CDs we spent hours EQing and adjusting levels. We used a
digital recording system called Sonic Solutions to remove the old tape
noise and sweeten the sound.

For those of you that received the first pressing, there is a goof in
the booklet where pages 2 and 11 were switched at the printer. It will
be corrected in future printings.

We are still looking for distribution outside the USA so for now the
only way to get it is directly thru Oglio's mail order. Sorry USA and
Canada, we still can't sell it here. :-(

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From: Dave Teixeira <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Track Listing For Greatest Hats
Date: 23 Feb 1997 20:00:55 -0800

Hi again,

I have had several requests to provide the track listing for the
Canadian Greatest Hats which I have offered to acquire for those folks
who would like a copy.

After making my way through the mailing list archives, I came across
this message from Carl.  I have to say, in retrospect this was quite a
classy thing for Carl to do as he was highlighting what I assume is a
"rival" MWH release.  Let's face it, we all have just so much disposable
income and for Carl to provide the following message is just pure class.

Ok, I'm off the soap box, here is the track listing:

> From: Carl <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (hats) Greatest Hats
> Date: 16 Oct 1996 11:52:23 -0800
>
> You hard-core MWH fans will dig this. A new version of the MWH
> Collection is coming out in Canada. It should be in stores soon.
>
> The package looks the same except for liner notes by Marc Durand and a
> couple different tracks for variety. They used my design for the package
> but changed the name to "Greatest Hats."
>
> Tracks:
>
> Safety Dance
> Living in China
> Antarctica
> I Got The Message
> I Like
> Where do the Boys Go?
> Freeways (Euromix) 5:45
> Pop Goes The World
> On Tuesday 4:08
> Sideways 4:53
> Editions of You 3:53
> The Safety Dance (Extended) 4:32
> Where Do The Boys Go? (Extended) 6:17

See ya.

Dave.

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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re-pressing...
Date: 24 Feb 1997 19:37:36 -0800

is there anyone, ANYONE, who has the ability to create CD-Rs of the 3 disc
bootleg set?

i appreciate the offers of various other recorded formats, but i REALLY,
REALLY want this in a digital, non-wearing format.

or did anyone order a spare set that they'd be willing to sell...?

hoping, hoping, hoping...

--
Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard
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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ROY - Your overseas friend... ;)
Date: 25 Feb 1997 19:20:43 +0100 (MET)

Hi Folks!

You can now order the new ROY/Folk3 CD from me.
Unfortunately it took some time but now all details are cleared so that
everything should be alright.
The final price per disc will be $24.30 (USD) including shipping via air mail.
Shipping via surface mail or within Europe will save $2.10.

The costs in detail (in USD):

            world air    world surf./Europe

discs (discount)    $12.50
shipping US->GE        $ 0.80
taxes & duties :(    $ 2.70
currency conversion    $ 1.20
money transfer GE->US    $ 0.70
postage            $ 5.70        $ 3.60
packaging        $ 0.70
            ------        ------
total            $24.30        $22.20


Unfortunately turnover taxes and customs duties will compensate the discount
for the discs :(
Lucky as we are, turnover taxes and customs duties will be compensated by the
discount for the discs :)
[choose according to your current mood]


If you definitively want a copy, please email me with the complete snail mail
adress where you want me to send your disc. I will then return a mail concer-
ning methods of payment to you.

Please make your decision fast! As I have to send all packages at one time to
get the discount on the postage, delayed payments will make everybody wait for
their discs. Please reply this week. If there are more orders than I have
discs, those people who expressed interest before will be prefered.

Many Greetings so far,

Thomas



--------------------
What is he talking about...??

New Men Without Hats CD from Oglio Records featuring both, the complete
'Rhythm Of Youth' album plus "Folk Of The 80's (Part III)'.
Not available inside USA/Canada except as import.

For praise of the sound quality/artwork see recent postings to the list  ;-)


According to Oglio Records' spokesman Carl:   ;)

>>
Same cover design of the ROY & Folk (III) _CDs_ and the same track listing
in the order it appeared on the original CDs.

Rhythm of Youth
        Ban The Game
        Living In China
        The Great Ones Remember
        I Got The Message
        Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
        The Safety Dance
        Ideas for Walls
        Things In My Life
        I Like
        The Great Ones Remember (reprise)
        Antarctica

Folk of the 80s (Part III)
        No Dancing
        Unsatisfaction
        Where Do The Boys Go?
        Mothers Opinion
        Eurotheme
        Messiahs Die Young
        I Know Their Name
        Folk Of The 80's
        I Sing Last / Not For Tears
<<

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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Date: 25 Feb 1997 15:34:35 -0500 (EST)

Carl,
    Did you say we could order the 2-fer directly from you if we were
in the US?   What would that come to if we could?

Thanks,
Charlie


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Getting the 2fer to the US
Date: 25 Feb 1997 17:01:16 +0000

Hi all!  Laura here...

Thomas mentioned that I'm willing to be the go-between for his great
and gracious offer.  I thought I'd post here to give an overview of
what the plan is from my end of things.

It costs $20 to get a check in DM from my bank - others who have
contacted me say it's about the same from their banks.  What I
propose is that folks who are interested send me a check for the cost
Thomas gave, plus a fraction of the cost of the foreign bank draft -
i.e. if there's 10 people, it would be an extra $2, plus your 32
cents to send me the check.  I've got 7 takers already, and I'd like
to help out at least 3 more people.  The more people who want to do
this, the cheaper it comes out for everyone.

I will be going out of town on Friday after lunch (eastern time), and
will be out of the office until Wednesday.  We don't want to hold up
the works, since Thomas points out that to get the best rate on
shipping, he needs to send everything at once.   I will check
privately with Thomas re: dates and deadlines, and let folks know.
It would be best if we could get this ball rolling by Friday before I
leave, but I also know some people are on the digest and get stuff
late.

More later, probably from home.  Remember, when I write from home it
looks like my husband wrote it, but it's really me!
[e-mail]  is the home address.

CUL8R, everyone!

hatlessly (a hat would look stupid with my big hair, anyway!)
;-) L

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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan
Date: 25 Feb 1997 16:04:04 -0600 (CST)


I heard that Ivan has a solo album coming out.  Does anyone have any
details?

Thanks

Paul Go
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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Getting the 2fer to the US
Date: 25 Feb 1997 21:05:30 +0000

I feel terrible that you all have to go to such extreme measures to get
the 2 for 1 CD. Thomas & Laura are doing a great job but it seems like
alot of work.

I am working on getting some CDs to European record stores ASAP. Some of
the record stores have web sites and do worldwide mail order via credit
card etc.

Give me a week or so to get something going. I'll contact you with news
as soon as I get something new.

Carl

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bubbling
Date: 26 Feb 1997 07:57:26 UT

Is anyone else just bubbling at the prospect of finally owning ROY/Folk on
CD??? I know I am. I am so anxious to hear Mother's Opinion (I hope the fake
ending is intact), Things in My life, Unsatisfaction, No Dancing (that great
stereo effect of the synth), The Great Ones Remember, Ideas For Walls and all
the others.

In fact, it was my Internet search for a ROY or Folk CD that led me to this
list over a year ago. And now I can't believe it will finally happen. I
remember finding Jeremie Arrobas' home page...all in French, but I sent him
mail anyway asking if he knew if they were available on CD. He and I actually
carried on an email thread for some time (I lost it with a machine crash :().

This is truly a momentous time for MWH fans. Many thanks to Carl and also
Thomas and Laura.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Many thanks
Date: 26 Feb 1997 07:59:54 -0500 (EST)



Russ just mentionned many thanks to Laura and Thomas.

I just want to thank all the people who beleive in MWH music and all the
people who bring back to life some good albums....

Many thanks to share the spirit.

Ciao!

Francis from the home of MWH


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Getting the 2fer to the US
Date: 26 Feb 1997 09:15:34 -0500



> I am working on getting some CDs to European record stores ASAP. Some of
> the record stores have web sites and do worldwide mail order via credit
> card etc.
>
> Give me a week or so to get something going. I'll contact you with news
> as soon as I get something new.
>
> Carl
A good place to start may be http://www.cdeurope.com
They usually stock every CD available in Europe and they mailorder to the
US.

Another place to check may be the HMV Megastore in London.   I think they
do worldwide mailorder.  I don't have the number handy but I bet the
Toronto HMV people would know the number.

Tom
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Bubbling
Date: 26 Feb 1997 20:27:39 -0500 (EST)

>Is anyone else just bubbling at the prospect of finally owning ROY/Folk on
>CD??? I know I am. I am so anxious to hear Mother's Opinion (I hope the fake
>ending is intact), Things in My life, Unsatisfaction, No Dancing (that great
>stereo effect of the synth), The Great Ones Remember, Ideas For Walls and all
>the others.

I sure am!  "Living In China" sounds absolutely amazing on CD.  before, on
vinyl, I really didn't give it much thought.  So, I can't wait to hear
"Ideas For Walls".  Can you imagine how that song sounds remastered on CD?
I love it! And "Great Ones Remember"....I am getting chills.  And
"Eurotheme" and "Folk of the 80s"!!

Which reminds me, did Ivan ever get the bootleg CDs?  Speaking of
remastering, just out of curiosity, how does one become a remasterer (is
that the title? <grin>)?


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) For those of you who are completists...
Date: 27 Feb 1997 17:13:21 -0800

Just saw this post on the CD marketplace newsgroups... thought I'd share it
with the group.

Good luck!

Don2
[e-mail]

----- Begin Included Message -----

>Hello folks. A whole slew of items including many import, out of print,
>promo, and boot items.
>
>Prices listed are in US dollars. In the USA add $1.50 shipping for 1 disc,
>$3 for 2-5 discs. Domestic orders over $20, I pay shipping. For insurance,
>add $1. Internationally, shipping costs vary greatly - please contact me
>and we'll work things out.
>
>I will hold discs for a period of 1 week after which they become fair game
>in the the arena again. Pfft.
>
>For those that care, prices with an asterik(*) indicate discs from BMG.
>"BID" means I will take the highest offer on the out-of-print items. Let
>me know if you want track listings for any of the items, especially the
>boots/singles. Or any other information, for that matter.
>
>This list is best read using a monospaced font.
>
>Lastly (promise!), I am a big proponent of non-monetary exchange and will
>strongly consider trades. Thanks for browsing!
>
<SNIP>
>
>CD SINGLES (many out of print/imports)
>************************************************
>$10     Men Without Hats - Pop Goes the World (1987 promo single 1 track)
>
>--
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>Coordinator of Special Services
>Brown University Police and Security
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Biodome
Date: 27 Feb 1997 21:07:13 -0500 (EST)

Hey hats fan!!!!

Since the begining, nobody talked about the movie Biodome... Personnally, I
like Pauly Shore since a long time.

I have to say that the part of "Safety Dance" in the movie was very
humoristic.  Did you like the movie?????

Ciao!

francis


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From: Tony Gale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Biodome
Date: 27 Feb 1997 22:02:56 -0800 (PST)

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Hey hats fan!!!!
>
> Since the begining, nobody talked about the movie Biodome... Personnally, I
> like Pauly Shore since a long time.
>
> I have to say that the part of "Safety Dance" in the movie was very
> humoristic.  Did you like the movie?????
>
> Ciao!
>
> francis
>
 It was a terrible, terrible movie!
  aaaaaah!
TDG
 "A life lived in fear is a life
  half lived"
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Bubbling
Date: 26 Feb 1997 07:45:44 EST

Bubbling is too light a word! I'm extatic. Every song on those two albums
is fantastic! I can't wait to hear those songs on CD!

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: your mail
Date: 25 Feb 1997 20:33:32 -0500 (EST)



On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R wrote:

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Hey Carl,

    I'd like to know this, too.  I'd just as soon order one from you
domestic if I could.

Matt B

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Getting the 2fer to the US
Date: 28 Feb 1997 13:11:59 -0700 (MST)

> A good place to start may be http://www.cdeurope.com
> They usually stock every CD available in Europe and they mailorder to the
> US.

Actually CDEurope don't stock *anything*.  They dump the catalogs from all the
distributors they deal with into their own catalog and when you order
something, they try to order it from their distributors, which is why it can
take six weeks or more for them to figure out that they can't fill your order.
They also have a bad reputation for customer service.  I hope they're not one
of the companies Carl is dealing with!

The best route would probably be to hang tough until Carl tells us which
overseas retailers he's hooked up with the CD.

--
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Biodome
Date: 28 Feb 1997 13:49:32 -0500 (EST)


>I have to say that the part of "Safety Dance" in the movie was very
>humoristic.  Did you like the movie?????

I fell off my seat when they did the video (the S thing with their arms).  I
loved it!!  The reason why I went to ee the movie was to hear Safety Dance.
THat was before I joined the list and I beleive Collection was released.  I
was on a rampage trying to find the 12" of the song and I heard the remix on
the previews.  To me it sounded like they just put a drum beat so it was as
close to the 12" I could get.  Then Carl came along and....the rest is history.

The movie is funny, but the nailbiting part was gross.  :)  I, too am a
Pauly Shore fan but I wish he'd do better movies.



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From: "Hugo Bugg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Biodome
Date: 28 Feb 1997 01:22:18 -0500

That movie Rocks Saddam Hussein ASS!!!
Pauly Shore Kicks a mules buttock!!

I like it when they do the "S" thing coming out of the Jungle during Safety
Dance.
That was hilarious!!

Too bad Ivan didn't appear for that scene.  Leading the way.
Doing the "S" thing.
They seemed to have gotten the "Little Person" so why not The IVAN!

Maybe some other time

Bugg

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> From: Tony Gale <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (hats) Biodome
> Date: February 28, 1997 1:02 AM
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Hey hats fan!!!!
> >
> > Since the begining, nobody talked about the movie Biodome...
Personnally, I
> > like Pauly Shore since a long time.
> >
> > I have to say that the part of "Safety Dance" in the movie was very
> > humoristic.  Did you like the movie?????
> >
> > Ciao!
> >
> > francis
> >

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll...
Date: 02 Feb 1997 12:38:43 +0000

Hi Jeff and all hatters...

> How many people who ordered CD's from Thomas have not yet received
> theirs?

I ordered a couple of copies, and still haven't gotten all of them.
Something really freaky went on with the postal service, I guess,
since they're arriving at such peculiar intervals.  I'm not panicking
yet, but I know how frustrating this must be for people who are
waiting for their one and only copies.  But let me say, it's well
worth the wait!!  Nice job, Carl.

Counting the days until May 6... it seems like it's forever and
ever!!  ;-)

:-) Laura


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