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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) new MWH album in the next few years?
Date: 03 Aug 1999 14:17:58 -0600


I received a e-mail from Richard Lupien telling me great information
about MWH. Stefan wrote him and said this to Richard in his e-mail.

"As for the adventures of MWH in the future, it is somewhat probable
that we may have a new album in the next millenium. Is that a definite
maybe or what?"

Now that would be cool!

Also Richard has been kind enough to send me some photos of IVAN. I have
put them up on my web page at http://www.holdman.com/mwh/pictures.html

Thanks Richard

-Richard Holdman


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From: "Woody Zenfell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Same Halo
Date: 04 Aug 1999 03:20:12 -0500


I just thought I'd chime in with my own pleasure listening to this.  Makes
you wonder what other gems are hiding from us?  I mean, had anyone heard
anything about this song whatsoever before about a week ago?

To anyone who hasn't heard it yet, go do it!  For me this is like the
'killer app' for RealPlayer :) well worth the (admittedly fairly minor)
hassle of getting the software.

Hoping for more.. and eventually in reasonable quality.. :)

Sorry for the near-lack of content.. but you're the only folks I can share
my excitement with (as I think we all understand...)

Woody




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Where Did The FAQ Go?
Date: 11 Aug 1999 10:19:03 EDT


What happened to Claude's MWH FAQ online?   Does anybody know why it's not up
anymore?  I've been trying to access it for 3 weeks to no avail.

Stefan's site is pretty informative, but Claude's was so organized and
scholarly.  I miss it.

Angie


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From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where Did The FAQ Go?
Date: 11 Aug 1999 12:13:13 PDT


Tell me, tell me, tell me-ee; Where did the FAQ go?

Dave Mattingly
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where Did The FAQ Go?
Date: 11 Aug 1999 18:23:29 -0400


At 10:19 AM 08/11/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>
>What happened to Claude's MWH FAQ online?   Does anybody know why it's not
up
>anymore?  I've been trying to access it for 3 weeks to no avail.
>
>Stefan's site is pretty informative, but Claude's was so organized and
>scholarly.  I miss it.
>

I always thought how Stefan should redesign his site (not a complaint!) and
thought how Claude's site was designed so excellently.



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From: Claude =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Where Did The FAQ Go?
Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:07:36 -0400


some nice peoples wrote:
>
> >What happened to Claude's MWH FAQ online?   Does anybody know why it's not
> up
> >anymore?  I've been trying to access it for 3 weeks to no avail.
> >
> >Stefan's site is pretty informative, but Claude's was so organized and
> >scholarly.  I miss it.
> >
>
> I always thought how Stefan should redesign his site (not a complaint!) and
> thought how Claude's site was designed so excellently.

As I said earlier I took the FAQ site offline when Geocities was bought by
Yahoo. I am cleaning it up a bit before I send it to Stefan to be included in
the official (I mean absolutely official ;o) MWH site).

@+

Claude


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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: illegal items on ebay
Date: 13 Aug 1999 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT)


just a note, this from another band-related mailing list.. how to get
illegally-produced items removed from ebay.  There have been a few
questionable MWH auctions in the past..


>>>
>>> from [e-mail]
>>>
It just so happens that my drummer works at ebay, taking down auctions.
It just takes an email to get an illegal auction taken down- it's very
simple.

Just remember to include the item# URL as Heather did, and mention why
it's illegal (people can sell cassettes, and you can't prove they are
dubs unless you bought one, but if [a recording] was never released on
tape, there you go).

Repeat offenders get their accounts pulled (of course they can start it
again from a new email address). Huge offenders can be busted- ebay
works with various companies who prosecute the worst piraters. As of
this writing the auction is down, but you can do this very easily for
any artist you feel is being exploited on ebay.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) No Subject
Date: 15 Aug 1999 23:03:57 EDT


I've been away for a while (since May).....
 *****************************************************
Couple Questions:

1--What is "Same Halo?"

2--What does the T stand for in the "I Like" video

3--Did that Remix Record company ever do the remix of "I Got the Message"
like                    they said they would in February 1999?

4--Does anybody live in Georgia or near Savannah?


--Collin (previously from Ithaca)


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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..
Date: 15 Aug 1999 20:25:01 -0700 (PDT)


..at the Whole Foods store in Hotlanta this weekend, anyone here the
guilty party?!

Yep, some of us are in Georgia..

Jim

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From: Christopher Gegax <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH videos
Date: 15 Aug 1999 23:48:02 -0500


Hi, all.  This is only the second time I've written.  I'm trying to
acquire some MWH or Ivan videos.  Any MWH or Ivan videos.  Currently I
have none.  :-(

If anyone is willing to help me (VHS dubs are fine) I'd be grateful.
I'm happy to reimburse for expenses incurred (materials, time, postage,
etc.).  Thank you.

BTW, I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.



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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay
Date: 16 Aug 1999 02:43:48 -0600


Hello fellow MWH fans,

I remember reading a posting that somebody submitted to the mailing list a
few days ago about how to remove illegal auctions from EBay.  I just noticed
one of the bootlegs that was produced, I'm sure, by the MWH mailing list
being auctioned on EBay.  The url for the auction is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=147051932   .    The
thing that bothers me about the auction is how much the seller is asking for
the cd.  The auction is currently at $36.00 and the seller has set a reserve
price that must be higher than $36.00 since the reserve price hasn't yet
been met.

Does this bother anybody else besides me??

This is one of the reasons that I thought that having an organized release
of the live recordings where people could pay a "fair price" for the cd was
great, rather than having to be screwed over by someone trying to make a
huge profit on something.  And, as with all boots, the band gets nothing.  I
know that the issue of Richard Holdman's selling of the bootleg cd's is no
longer an issue of conversation on this mailing list, but I guess I would
still like to see these recordings maybe released by the "official MWH web
site" for purchase at a fairprice so that fans who want to be able to buy
these cd's will have a location where they can buy them at a fair price and
so that Ivan, Stefan, and other MWH members can reap the profits of the cd's
sold.

Anyway, I just thought I would bring this issue up to the list.  I thought
about reporting the illegal posting to EBay, but decided against it in case
it was someone on this list.

Anyways,

Take Care.




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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay
Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:13:31 +0100


>Does this bother anybody else besides me??
it annoys me no end!!!  So, someone must've bought the bootleg and sold
it on for profit...  Hold up your original CDs all you people and lets
see who the guilty party is!!

}:-)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) No Subject
Date: 16 Aug 1999 08:04:15 -0400


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]

> I've been away for a while (since May).....
>  *****************************************************
> Couple Questions:
>
> 1--What is "Same Halo?"

"New" old song that didn't make it on the "Pop Goes the World" album.

Go here to listen: http://www.mpgang.com/hatsmusic.html

[...]
> 4--Does anybody live in Georgia or near Savannah?

Brad D. and I live in Atlanta -- about 4 hours from Savannah...

What can we help with?

Steve
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..
Date: 16 Aug 1999 08:14:56 -0400


> -----Original Message-----
> From: goreal

> ..at the Whole Foods store in Hotlanta this weekend, anyone here the
> guilty party?!

I'm thinking it was Brad Day...

Brad?  Care to defend yourself?

> Yep, some of us are in Georgia..

...though I still prefer to say I live in Atlanta.  Even though my home
address is Lithonia...  ;-)

Steve



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I Know Their Name
Date: 16 Aug 1999 08:54:42 -0400


(Years of nothing, and then 3 times in one day!)

There has been discussion on this list about the song, "I Know Their Name."
Seems that everyone is of the opinion that it is about fame.

I have a different angle.  Have you ever thought of this:

Infamy!

When I first heard the song, the Menendez brothers were on trial for killing
their parents.  The song kind of fit:  "I know their name, I saw their
picture in the paper yesterday ... I read the story that was written on the
page."

That's what that song always makes me think of.  Of course, it's hard to
turn on the news or read the paper and get any GOOD NEWS these days...

Anyone have any similar thoughts?

Steve



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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Videos
Date: 16 Aug 1999 09:11:30 -0400 (EDT)


I would have been happy before to assist you with obtaining the
videos you seek but you can thank Stefan's poor judgement for the
change in my attitude.  I no longer support his work and will do no
more to advance it.

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Videos
Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT)


> You strike me as a bit of an arsehole,

Aw, shux.

> Stefan asked that people stop giving
his work away for free,
> nothing wrong with that.

Silly me.  I remember now.  Stefan threatened to sic the FBI on
those who were giving away his work for free.  Yes, you're right.
Thanks for setting me straight on this.  I'm guess I'm back in the fold.

Myke


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..
Date: 16 Aug 1999 21:31:14 EDT


I am a T-shirt owner, but I was out of town this weekend...

Anyone up for an Atlanta Hats-Con???

Brad Day


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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Same Halo
Date: 16 Aug 1999 22:39:45 -0500 (CDT)


Ah... if it were only better quality, I'd be in Heaven. Please, Stefan,
release some of this type of stuff on an official small printing direct
marketing type of deal... I for one would be willing to pay $20-30 for a
CD of rare recordings and unreleased material such as this...

Anyway, has anyone tried transcribing the lyrics?  Here's what I have...
If anyone can fill in any of the blanks (including the French portions), I
would greatly appreciate it. :)

The Same Halo
Men Without Hats

Low is high and high is low,
How are we supposed to know,
Which is where,
And when to go.
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo?

Rock and roll removed my pride,
It only told me where to hide,
Up and up away we go,
Give me all I need to know.
I remember Penny Lane,
I'll never walk that way again.
Rock and roll removed my soul,
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo? (x 2)

[French]

Rock and roll removed my brain,
Funny I still feel the pain,
...
... ?something? we should know,
I remember Penny Lane,
I'll never walk that way again.
Rock and roll removed my soul,
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo? (x 2)

[French]

When I look in your eyes,
There's one thing that I know.
When I look in your eyes,
...
When I look in your eyes,
There's only one ... tomorrow.

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From: "Mr. Oglio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!
Date: 17 Aug 1999 11:31:09 -0700


Gang:

The Oglio 2 for 1 will be on sale in Canada September 1, 1999. Here
is the track list for those unfamiliar:

Rhythm of Youth
    Ban The Game
    Living In China
    The Great Ones Remember
    I Got The Message
    Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
    The Safety Dance
    Ideas for Walls
    Things In My Life
    I Like
    The Great Ones Remember (reprise)

Folk of the 80's (Part III)
    No Dancing
    Unsatisfaction
    Where Do The Boys Go?
    Mothers Opinion
    Eurotheme
    Messiahs Die Young
    I Know Their Name
    Folk Of The 80's
    I Sing Last / Not For Tears
    Antarctica


For Canadian list members we will offer pre-sales. The CD is $15.98
US dollars + $6 US dollars shipping. I suggest a credit card for the
best exchange rate. Second best would be an international money order
made out in US Dollars drawn on a US bank.

*** Credit Card (Visa/MC/Amex) ***
e-mail to [e-mail] or fax at [phone]

Include card number, expiry date, billing address, shipping address,
telephone number. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE LIST WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD
NUMBER!!!!

If ordering by mail, send to : PO Box 404, Redondo Beach CA 90277

Sorry US citizens. No word yet on a release. We felt lucky to get
Canada for now. :-)

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From: "Vince Silvaggio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Same Halo French lyrics
Date: 17 Aug 1999 16:41:12 PDT


Hi, Hatters...here's the French portion of "The Same Halo" transcribed:

"Quand je ferme les yeux
Je te regarde
Et quand je ferme les yeux
Le temps n'a pas d'Γge
Il fait chaud dans tes bras
Comme une plage
Que tu rerΩveras..."

...which means...

"When I close my eyes
I look at you
And when I close my eyes
Time has no age
It's warm in your arms
Like a beach
Of which you'll dream again..."

Later,

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Same Halo French lyrics
Date: 17 Aug 1999 21:00:05 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Vince Silvaggio wrote:

> Hi, Hatters...here's the French portion of "The Same Halo" transcribed:
>=20
> "Quand je ferme les yeux
> Je te regarde
> Et quand je ferme les yeux
> Le temps n'a pas d'=E2ge
> Il fait chaud dans tes bras
> Comme une plage
> Que tu rer=EAveras..."
>=20
> ...which means...
>=20
> "When I close my eyes
> I look at you
> And when I close my eyes
> Time has no age
> It's warm in your arms
> Like a beach
> Of which you'll dream again..."

Cool, any comments, additions, or corrections to the partial English
lyrics?

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!
Date: 17 Aug 1999 21:06:22 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mr. Oglio wrote:

> Gang:
>
> The Oglio 2 for 1 will be on sale in Canada September 1, 1999. Here
> is the track list for those unfamiliar:
...
> Sorry US citizens. No word yet on a release. We felt lucky to get
> Canada for now. :-)

Cool, so does somebody from north of the border wanna help us less
fortunate ones? :)

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From: "Mr. Oglio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Fwd: Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!
Date: 18 Aug 1999 07:03:05 -0700


The Very Best of Men Without Hats is the European version of the 2
for 1 CD. They thought it would sell better that way. I tend to like
packaging and track orders like the originals so I kept it that way
for the Canadian release.

Carl @ Oglio


>
>BTW, there's something else I wanna ask you. There is a CD listed in
>Lazlo's discography called "The Very Best of Men Without Hats" which is
>most of the material from Rhythym of Youth and Folk of the 80s Part III.
>Lazlo has it listed as possibly being a bootleg. I just got a copy of it
>in the mail today, and it says on the back of the booklet:
>"This compilation (C) (P)1997, CMC Home Entertainment Under license from
>the Oglio Entertainment Group, Inc. USA"
>Is this correct? Maybe you could shed some light on this on the list if it
>hasn't been addressed already? Thanks.



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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Fwd: Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!
Date: 18 Aug 1999 10:01:04 -0500 (CDT)


On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Mr. Oglio wrote:

> The Very Best of Men Without Hats is the European version of the 2
> for 1 CD. They thought it would sell better that way. I tend to like
> packaging and track orders like the originals so I kept it that way
> for the Canadian release.

Thanks, Carl.  Unfortunately "Very Best" is missing a few songs: Ban the
Game, Ideas for Walls, and Great Ones Remember from RoY and Mother's
Opinion from FoTE. If anyone is interested in this. I ordered my copy from
German Music Express at http://www.musicexpress.com/ on 7/30/99 and got it
yesterday.  They ship airmail from the Netherlands and the total cost was
only about $17!

Also, I'm not sure if the liner notes are different from the ones on the
2fer, but I can transcribe them if needed. Also, if Lazlo needs catalog
numbers, etc. for the discography, just let me know. :)

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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay
Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:05:56 -0400


Hi Hatters,

Laura from NC on her soap box again. . .   (Moose, can you see
me holding up my CD?  I don't even have the one with the black
logo cover - I have the Ivan cover.)

> >Does this bother anybody else besides me??

GRRRRRR!  The whole idea behind us making FAN-PRODUCED
Materials was for the personal enjoyment of our fellow listers.
People who have contacted me out of the blue asking for Ts, I have
always told them to join the list, post a message, then ask me
again once they are "official."

It pains me that someone on the list is choosing to abuse the
resources available to the MWH Internet Fan Club by selling the
boot.  Along with a couple of others on the list, we persuaded Mr.
Somebody and Ivan to let us make a fan-produced CD of the
demos by explaining to them that the boots are made solely for the
enjoyment and pleasure of the list members.  I now feel that
whoever is selling the demo CD has made me into a liar.

If Stefan is giving out any black hat awards this week, I know who I
would nominate.

L8R!
LK


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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: bootleg on ebay
Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT)


Any complaints about this item on ebay should be emailed to:

[e-mail]

Perhaps enough notices will get the item pulled..

--- "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi Hatters,
>
> Laura from NC on her soap box again. . .   (Moose, can you see
> me holding up my CD?  I don't even have the one with the black
> logo cover - I have the Ivan cover.)
>
> > >Does this bother anybody else besides me??
>
> GRRRRRR!  The whole idea behind us making FAN-PRODUCED
> Materials was for the personal enjoyment of our fellow listers.
> People who have contacted me out of the blue asking for Ts, I have
> always told them to join the list, post a message, then ask me
> again once they are "official."
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From: "Greg Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the auction number and what we might do about it
Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:50:33 -0700


[Hopefully this one makes it thru - I THINK this is where I'm subscribed...]

Is this the auction about which we're writing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=147051932

I went to

http://pages.ebay.com/services/safeharbor/report-infringing.html

and submitted this report:

>This item is a CD created from material which was authorized to be
>released ONLY to members of a Men Without Hats mailing list, and ONLY if
>done at-cost by mailing list members.

>Offering the disc to the general public is thus a violation of this
>agreement and an infringement on the artists' copyright.

...which bounced, because I forgot to include the item number!

Before I resubmit it, do people think this is the right language to use in
reporting it?  If so (or even if not, once it's reworked), do we have other
eBay members on-list who could join me in reporting this?  We do still have
5 days 19 hours as of this writing...

Hope this one makes it out!

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From: sartana <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Reporting to Ebay!?! Get real......
Date: 19 Aug 1999 00:16:08 -0700


    I do not post often to this list, but the latest discussion regarding
"reporting" the Hats boot sale on Ebay makes me break my silence. Why in
the world would someone want to report this to Ebay?! As strange as it
may sound, not every MWH fan in the world knows about the list and had
the chance to get their hands on the wonderful CD's that were released
over the last year or so. This should be clear in that there are bidders
on the disk. I think those that are so eager to tattle on the seller
should put themselves in the shoes of the lucky soul who found the item
listed on Ebay. Have we forgotten the thrill of getting the CD in the
mail and listening to the first "new" MWH in many years. Why are we in a
rush to spoil that chance for someone else?
    Granted, the person selling the disk may have broken the spirit of the
project, but the disk's are illegal to begin with so what is the big
gripe now? I find it rather sad that as we clutch onto our 10 plus
illegal MWH CD's, we bemoan some lucky person the chance to buy one.
Heaven knows if the person selling the disk had something to offer that
we did not have already, all of us would be scrambling to win that bid
and there would be little talk of reporting the person to anyone. So why
don't we slow down a little on the running to Ebay and complaining about
the potential transaction. Sit back, put on one of the MWH boot's in
your collection and be glad that yet another fan of MWH will get the
chance to enjoy some great music.


                        James


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From: "E. Bunce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: The Same Halo
Date: 17 Aug 1999 22:43:57 +1000


Hiram recently made the following plea:

>Please, Stefan, release some of this type of stuff on an official small
printing direct
marketing type of deal... I for one would be willing to pay $20-30 for a
CD of rare recordings and unreleased material such as this...


Heaven 17 (the other ones) have just released their first live album via the
net with just 1000 copies available (see www.heaven17.com ), so these things
are possible. Whether there's any financial benefit for the band or it's
just a goodwill gesture I don't know. I guess in this case they thought it
worthy of release regardless, which is one of Stefan's concerns about some
of MWH's unreleased stuff.

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Subject: Re: (hats) Reporting to Ebay!?! Get real......
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:28:30 EDT



Excuse me but REAL men without hats can find this list easily.  I did it 4
years ago, so some people did everywhere in the world.

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) THE VERY BEST OF MEN WITHOUT HATS
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:37:39 EDT


Okay Okay.

I got a douzens of message about it.

YES I LIVE IN CANADA

YES I HAVE ACCESS TO A CD STORE.

You can buy it from HMW by calling in Toronto  or if you want  YES I CAN GET
IT FOR YOU PEOPLE.

So now, this message is public!  If you are interested to get the 2 for 1,
leave me a personnal message, I'll take your orders and I'll go to buy it.

Francis


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Subject: (hats) Nice to know someone agrees with me on the eBay thing.
Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:07:49 EDT


This is the first time I've posted on this list and I've been a member maybe
about 3 months now. I'm basically just a member to get any actual news that
has to do with MWH. When I read that people were angry with a bootleg being
on eBay, it made me angry. Someone said something to the effect of "if you're
not on the list, you're not a good enough fan." That pushed me from angry to
furious. Like James said, not every fan knows about the list. If the real
reason that people are angry that this is on eBay is cause it gives the
chance for non-"real"-fans to get it, I might as well leave the list cause I
don't want to be a "real" fan. I know this was basically just rambling and I
didn't add anything new, but I wanted to throw in my opinion.

Jeff.


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From: "Alan Pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Nice to know someone agrees with me on the eBay thing.
Date: 20 Aug 1999 02:23:49 PDT





>From: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (hats) Nice to know someone agrees with me on the eBay thing.
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:07:49 EDT
>
>
>This is the first time I've posted on this list and I've been a member
>maybe
>about 3 months now. I'm basically just a member to get any actual news that
>has to do with MWH. When I read that people were angry with a bootleg being
>on eBay, it made me angry. Someone said something to the effect of "if
>you're
>not on the list, you're not a good enough fan." That pushed me from angry
>to
>furious. Like James said, not every fan knows about the list. If the real
>reason that people are angry that this is on eBay is cause it gives the
>chance for non-"real"-fans to get it, I might as well leave the list cause
>I
>don't want to be a "real" fan.  Jeff.

Good bye Jeff


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Subject: Re: (hats) Nice to know someone agrees with me on the eBay thing.
Date: 20 Aug 1999 06:05:44 EDT


In a message dated 8/20/1999 2:25:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Good bye Jeff>>

While I am of two minds about the eBay thing, let's definitely not get
elitist here.

I think we should feel sorry for the people who are forced to pay $30-$40 for
a disc when we got it at cost, but it wasn't so long ago people on this list
were just as willing to pay $100, $200 or more for a Folk or Rhythm cd
(before they were re-released) -- And I, a die-hard fan, certainly considered
selling my copies of the original Folk and Rhythm when they were fetching
that amount just because I couldn't believe I could get that much (I didn't
sell, of course).

As for the guy selling it, I am irritated some true fan lost his chance to
buy it at a great deal so this guy could make a profit.  But, like someone
recently said on the list, maybe they had no clue it (or this list) existed
and eBay is their only chance at ever finding this rare MWH material.

That said, I'll go back to lurking.

Greg


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From: "Kerry Gordon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) ebay cd removed
Date: 20 Aug 1999 12:50:55 -0400


I've noticed that the listee fan cd has been removed from ebay.

When you think about it.... why should a fan auction off a cd that he or =
she received exclusively from a member of the list? The person who put the =
cd's together did so at cost. If he had known that a person was going to =
sell the cd I'm sure he wouldn't make it available to them at such a great =
price.

It is just as easy, if not easier, to join the list than it is to sign up =
for ebay. The cd could then be made availble for sale or trade, at cost =
plus shipping etc... to other listees who weren't able to get the cd's =
when they were available.
This would be the politically correct way of making the cd available.

On the other hand there was recently a collection of 24 Crowded House club =
cd's auctioned off on ebay for close to $3,000 by a retailer who collected =
them. This was promoted on the Crowded House list which frowns upon those =
who would like cdr's of the cd's that were available before they joined =
the official fan club (and the fan club refuses to make more available. =
Presumably to drive up the value of the cd's originally pressed and bother =
those who couldn't afford them as a side effect). So who knows? Higher =
demand =3D higher value.
Looks like Stephan has inadvertantly driven up the value of MWH's fan cds =
so we should expect to see more cd's up for auction by fans who aren't =
exactly big enough fans to pass up on making a few bucks. Thus penalizing =
fans who just want to hear the music.

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Woohoo!!! New stuff!!!
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:56:36 -0500 (CDT)


Well, I don't know if I had anything to do with this or not, but after I
suggested it on the list, I wrote a letter to Stefan and Ivan yesterday
addressing several subjects including the bootlegs and the list and
suggested they release a limited pressing or rare/unreleased material.
The following appeared on the website today under the heading of "Late
Breaking News on Bootlegs, Rhythm of Youth... !!!!":

=====

OK, here's the deal.

Men Without Hats will be releasing a compilation of re-mastered old and
/or unreleased songs. Some of these songs have NEVER been heard by anyone
except Ivan & Stefan! This should be available towards the end of the year
and will only be available from this website. This CD will also contain
some of the very best songs from the Rhythm of Youth and Folk of the 80's
I & III CDs.

You can also look forward to seeing some t-shirts.

If anyone wants to contribute some artwork or a list of songs for this CD,
they are welcome to send it here

=====

What else can you say but "Woohoo!" :) Listening to "The Very Best of Men
Without Hats" at work this is...

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Oglio 2 for 1
Date: 21 Aug 1999 13:47:34 +0100


>Sorry US citizens. No word yet on a release. We felt lucky to get
>Canada for now. :-)
suppose we could do another export/import thing again Laura...?  worked
the first time!

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Canada vs the world
Date: 21 Aug 1999 13:47:42 +0100


i live in london england and bought the mwh stuff from hmv montreal by
using a thing called a telephone...  maybe others would like to partake
in such a transaction?

}:-)



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From: Thomas Bieler  <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 11 tracks on Folk3?
Date: 21 Aug 1999 16:47:55 +0200 (CEST)


Hi all!

This is about Folk3 from 'the official mwh page':

---
At the end of the record, if you let it keep playing, Mother's Opinion
will come back with a stereo flange on it. Problem was, no one bothered to
tell the printing pressers that there were in fact 11 songs, not 10. So
some of the early copies are missing this piece!
---

Weee, it seems *I* missed *2* songs, not just one. I used to believe that
there are 9 songs on Folk3. I know that some copies list extended 'Where
Do The Boys Go?', might Stefan be referring to this?

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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Calling all UK Hatters
Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:20:55 -0400


Hi Gang!

Who all on the list is in the UK?

I'm coming over on vacation next May (London area mostly, but
also up to Edinburgh probably) and I think it would be kewl to meet
some of you in person.  A MWH con?  Hmmmm....

Simon, Saul, Gregor, Alan, Chris - are you still on the list?

Moose - is it still a date for lunch in Greenwich with feast bars for
dessert? :-)

CUL8R!
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Calling all UK Hatters
Date: 28 Aug 1999 10:39:58 +0100


>Moose - is it still a date for lunch in Greenwich with feast bars for
>dessert? :-)
s'pose i could make myself available...!

}:-)



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Subject: (hats) Frontstage.com and Something New from Ivan?
Date: 30 Aug 1999 08:04:10 -0400


Has anyone heard of http://www.frontstage.com/?  I heard about it on another
mailing list, and decided to check and see if there were any Men Without
Hats items for sale.  Sure enough, they had (all on CD):

  o Very Best Of
  o Greatest Hats
  o Collection
  o Sideways
  o Pop Goes The World, and
  o Safety Dance (CD Single)

I'm thinking that the CD Single is the "Aussie Mix" that also has "Dance No
More" on it (i.e. the non-Men-Without-Hats Men Without Hats CD).

Standard disclaimers apply: I've never done business with them, so I don't
know anything about their service, etc.  If I do hear anything negative,
I'll post a follow-up message.

This may be a good chance to pick up "Pop..." or "Sideways" if you don't
already have it.  Prices were a little steep: over $20 USD for them.  But
"Very Best Of" was only $12.99 USD.



I also searched for Ivan and found not only "The Spell", but a 12" of
something called, "Six Forty Five".  Is this something new from Ivan, or is
this a different Ivan?  Please let us all know if you have the answer!

Take care,

Steve
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Calling R. Holdman...
Date: 31 Aug 1999 21:12:08 EDT


     Sorry to put this in all your mailboxes, I'm looking for Mr. Holdman
again, asking if the MP3 CD is still around anywhere. I now have the money
and my computer is going to be my little 14400 for a few months so I can buy
things online again. Sorry for taking so long but I can do this now finally.

                                                                        --
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) some info :)
Date: 31 Aug 1999 22:52:42 -0400


Just so people know... to order any Hats, Ivan, or other CDs from the
infamous HMV we keep talking about, the number for Canada and USA is
1-800-567-8468.  everywhere esle, sorry but you have to call long distance
at [phone] (fax is 416-586-0819).





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