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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) thanks!
Date: 07 May 1999 16:50:21 EDT


While this is somewhat off subject, it does spin off of the list. I just
wanted to thank whoever posted a note a while back about the Synthpop Network
site (www.spn.nu). I've found out info on many great synth bands, both old
and new, as well as a great associated dealer, www.adifferentdrum.com. They
have Pop Goes the World  and cd's by Rational Youth for anyone still looking
for them, as well as tons of other great synth stuff. My credit card isn't
happy with me after my last visit there. Anyway, again, Thanks! to whoever.
-Andrew


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) RE: Heaven
Date: 10 May 1999 07:33:45 -0400


> -----Original Message-----
> From: E. Bunce
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:35 AM

> > Does anybody have the lyrics to Heaven?
>
> Speaking of which, (and pardon my ignorance) where does this
> track originate from?

Does anyone else find this suspicious?  A year or so ago, I asked if there
was a studio version of Heaven.  No one replied.  Then "moose" asked if
anyone had the lyrics.  No replies.  Then E. Bunce asked where the song
originated.

You guessed it -- no replies.

So why doesn't anybody know?  Certainly there must be someone who can shed a
little light on the matter?

As for me, Heaven is probably my favorite song on the boots.  It doesn't
sound like an original Men Without Hats song -- I'm guessing they covered
it.  But who wrote the original?  What are the original lyrics?  Is there a
studio recording of it?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Steve
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) RE: Heaven
Date: 10 May 1999 22:07:10 -0400 (EDT)



    Please answer questions about Heaven.


    The song, not the place.


    Collin













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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) looking for . . .
Date: 11 May 1999 14:58:45 -0400


Hi y'all!

I am looking for the following people - if you could please email me
if you are still on the list . . .

Chris Bever
Kathy Beaupre
Jon Masciana
"Arechui"
Ethan Hall
Ted Eriksson
"Thomas J"

Thanks!  And no, I don't know anything about "Heaven" 'cept that I
like it!  ;-)

CUL8R!
:-) LK


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heaven/revival/Quebecois
Date: 11 May 1999 15:14:10 -0400


>So why doesn't anybody know?  Certainly there must be someone who can shed a
>little light on the matter?

I guess it's because the group were always mysterious-- I don't think they
gave many interviews and that song was sung live.  Maybe just for that
concert.  I doubt interivewers asked them "oh, what was that first song you
sang at the concert?".  Maybe it was meant for "Pop Goes The World" like
how they sang "Jenny Wore Black".  The lack of replies means no one knows
what this song is.  I mean, who would hold back the response if someone
knew the answer? :)

A question I have is whatever happened to Ivan?  "Out of nowhere" he
records an album and promotes it across the country bringing back memories
of Men Without Hats and then....poof....he disappears.  Much like this
list.  Before the chatter was great and now no one's talking :(  I've heard
of lulls in a mailing list but this one's been happening forever.  So, I'll
try my best at starting up some conversation.  Usually people ask questions
like "What's your 5 favourite songs?".  I'll add a twist:  "Which song of
Men Without Hats and Ivan would you change?".  It's not necessarily a
negative question, this could be interpreted as "which song would you remix
and how?" (this is only meant for fun so please try not to write 'you must
never tamper with the originals they are fine the way they are bla bla
bla')  At the top of my head, I'd try to make "Mother's Opinion" faster
just to see how it would sound.

And on another note, I was on a job interivew and in the same building was
a french bookstore (complete with french Simpsons valentine cards and a
french Aqua biography!).  I bought a book on Quebecois slang/idioms.  It
even gives you a history of the language which I found very interesting.
Really what I wanted was a cassette course on improving listening skills!




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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) revival
Date: 11 May 1999 16:06:08 -0400


Daniele said

> "Which song of Men Without Hats and Ivan would you change?"

Ummmm, I would burn the extended version of Safety Dance.  You
know, the part that goes Sssssss Aaaaaaa Ffffffff Eeeeeee etc. ad
nauseum.  I like the short version much better.

And for Cocoricci, Le Tango des Voluers I would have added the
verses in English, like Billy Joel did for You Were the One (on
Glass Houses).

Of course, the originals are masterpieces and should not be
tampered with.  I AM KIDDING!  I said that just for Daniele, to put a
smile on his face!  :-)

;-) LK


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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Song I would change (was: Heaven/revival/Quebecois)
Date: 11 May 1999 15:08:21 -0500 (CDT)



On Tue, 11 May 1999, Daniele Rossi wrote:

> A question I have is whatever happened to Ivan?  "Out of nowhere" he
> records an album and promotes it across the country bringing back memories
> of Men Without Hats and then....poof....he disappears.  Much like this
> list.  Before the chatter was great and now no one's talking :(  I've heard
> of lulls in a mailing list but this one's been happening forever.  So, I'll
> try my best at starting up some conversation.  Usually people ask questions
> like "What's your 5 favourite songs?".  I'll add a twist:  "Which song of
> Men Without Hats and Ivan would you change?".  It's not necessarily a
> negative question, this could be interpreted as "which song would you remix
> and how?"

So much to choose from, it's a tough question to answer, but for the
sake of reviving the list, I'll try. :)

The song I would most likely change would be "Cocoricci (Les Tango Des
Voleurs)" from _Rythem of Youth_. A full 77 minute extended version on one
cd.  This is a great studying/nap/driving/working-to song and I could
easily listen to it as background music all day.  Oddly, it is not my
favorite song, however I cannot see a bass-n-drum remix or cover of
"Antarctica"  or "I Like".  It just wouldn't do. :) So a full cd version
of "Cocoricci (Les Tango Des Voleurs)" will have to be it.  And those of
you who feel that this is too long, listen to the full version of "Thick
as a brick" or Eno's "Thursday Afternoon". Length is no factor to a song,
unless you don't want it to end.

Next...

Paul



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) revival
Date: 11 May 1999 16:22:32 EDT



<< Daniele said

 > "Which song of Men Without Hats and Ivan would you change?" >>


Don't know if I'd necessarily change it, but  the refrain "Here Come the 90s"
is running a little short here in 1999.  Its still a great song, but maybe it
should be "There goes the 90s" and let it experience a revival.  Its kind of
like how I now feel silly singing one of my very favorite songs: "80s" by
Killing Joke...

Cheers!
PDK


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Heaven/revival/Quebecois
Date: 11 May 1999 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT)



    As far as altering some songs for remixes:

I like the Washington Live "I Got the Message" where towards
the end of the song it is just ivan and 1 keyboard. I think if they would
have done that live more...that would've been great.

If Living in China was faster (like it is in I think the Washington Live
one) I would like it better. He uses more melisma in the live version and
the song is alot quicker

I would like to hear more Ivan and the piano like "I Sing Last/Not for
Tears"

The Montreal live version of I Like: I wish the orignal had the beginning
part that the live one does.

Any comments on these comments???


Collin from Ithaca













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From: Ralf Krauklis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) revival
Date: 11 May 1999 17:48:16 -0400


Hi all.  I'm rediscovering my MWH roots (you know, being 13 y.o. and
hearing 'I Like' for the first time in headphones and then begging
parents for a synthesizer!) and I'm happy to have stumbled upon this
list!

Daniele said

> "Which song of Men Without Hats and Ivan would you change?"

I too would like to experiment a bit with "Mother's Opinion".  I like
the way it reaches a climax with those pitch-shifting backup vocals
chanting with Ivan's "Sounds familiar - but it doesn't sound the
same...".  But imagine if a whole choir joined in, and then the full
fury of an orchestra crashed down on the mix along with a dozen kettle
drums fortifying that hypnotic beat; hundreds, thousands of instruments
chanting that droning melody...

Ok, maybe it's a bit much, but that's what I'd try.

BTW, does anyone know what synths MWH used in the 80's?

-ralf


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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What MWH song I would change.
Date: 11 May 1999 21:45:36 -0600


Hi,

My name is Steve Sundstrom.  I've been subscribing to the MWH mailing list
since about March '99, and haven't posted any comments yet, but I guess it's
better late than never.  I have been reading the debate about the song
"Heaven" by MWH, and although I don't know the answer to where the song
originated, I was wondering if anybody had thought about e-mailing Stefan
Doroschuk of MWH and asking someone that I'm sure would know the answer.  A
few months ago, someone posted a link to the "official" MWH site that is
actually hosted by Stefan.  The link to the page is
http://www.mpgang.com/mwhmain.html .  I visited the page and Stefan has a
link on the page where you can e-mail him directly with questions.  I
e-mailed him with a question, and he replied within a day or so.  Needless
to say I was very impressed.

As to the question about what MWH song I would change, I would have to say
that I would change 21st Century Safety Dance off of the album "In the 21st
Century".  I was quite dissappointed by this song, as it is more or less a
"techno" song and doesn't really have much harmony.

To tell you a little bit about myself, I had always known about MWH from
their song "The Safety Dance", but wasn't a huge fan of MWH until around
1986 when Pop Goes The World was released, which I believe is probably their
best work.  MWH actually came to Utah, which is where I live, on a tour as
the opening act for Icehouse, who was promoting their "Man of Colors" album.
As much as I like Icehouse, MWH was a far better act to see and stole the
show.

Anyways, sorry for dragging on for so long.

Take care.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Songs I Would Change
Date: 12 May 1999 00:36:08 EDT


This question is interesting, I have to put in my two cents.
On the Rhythm of Youth LP, I would have definitely put the entire version of
"Ban The Game,"  like they did at Le Spectrum.  It is such a tease to hear
only the beginning of that song, I have felt that way long before I ever
heard the rest of it.
On the Folk Of The 80's Part III LP I would have re-mixed "Mother's Opinion"
to be a little bit faster and a little more melodic ... maybe cut out some of
that heavy background noise and brought up the piano.
On the Pop Goes The World LP, I would change nothing except the album cover.
For some reason I always thought that their choice of design was a poor
marketing decision, and as a result this masterpiece album was terribly
underrated and under-sold.
As far as In The 21st Century goes, this entire album is poorly mixed.  I
would have put much more emphasis on Ivan's voice, which is so far in the
background that something seems so wrong with that album. Men Without Hats's
greatest assets were always Ivan's voice and their emphasis on a strong
melody line.
This album showed neither.
I wish I had heard more songs that featured Ivan alone on piano or acoustic
guitar.  I think that would have lent itself well to their labeling
themselves as "folk musicians" of the 80's. Synthesizers are all well and
good, but their heavy usage was an 80's music trend, whereas pianos and
acoustic guitars never go out of style.
Angie


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From: Ralf Krauklis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Songs I Would Change
Date: 12 May 1999 01:18:02 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Synthesizers are all well and
> good, but their heavy usage was an 80's music trend, whereas pianos and
> acoustic guitars never go out of style.

I wouldn't characterize synthesizers as an 80's trend, considering how
synthetic much of the music of the  90's has been.  However, the 80's
certainly contained a lot of that primitive, bright synthetic sound as
opposed to the 'hip' warm morphing synth sounds and breakbeats that are
so overused these days IMHO.  I prefer the pure clean sterile synths
found in Kraftwerk, Numan, and, of course, MWH!

But I agree; Ivan's voice and contemplative piano melodies really work
well together.

-ralf


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From: Thomas Lang <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hi everyone!
Date: 12 May 1999 12:06 -0400


Hi everyone! I have been listening to MWH for quite awhile and have tried to get all of the music that is out there. I was really happy to get my hands on what I thought were the MP3's for all the boots. Now you guys are talking about the song "Heaven". what boot is it on and haw do I get it? I am also trying to get the 2 fer CD.
Any info would he greatly appreciated!
Tom Lang

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) looking for . . .
Date: 12 May 1999 12:32:46 +0100


>Chris Bever
>Kathy Beaupre
>Jon Masciana
>"Arechui"
>Ethan Hall
>Ted Eriksson
>"Thomas J"
seems I aint on the list...

}:-)


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) revival??
Date: 12 May 1999 12:32:47 +0100


>Of course, the originals are masterpieces and should not be
>tampered with.  I AM KIDDING!
i was toying with the posibility of doing a MWH cover on my new album - a
dance-industrial version (a la Ninch Inch Nails) of something...  might
be a hoot!

}:-)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) Hi everyone!
Date: 12 May 1999 12:25:18 -0400


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Lang

[...]
> Now you guys are talking about the song "Heaven".
> What boot is it on and haw do I get it?

"Heaven" is on boot number 2, "Freeways Live 1985".

I love it!

Unfortunately, the Hats MP3 web page was taken down a while ago, so you
can't easily get the MP3 version.  There may be other list members who have
the MP3 locally, but I do not.  My version is on Audio CD, which I got from
Richard Holdman ([e-mail] is the last e-mail address I have
for him).  I do not know if he is still producing them, or if he has any
available.

I don't even know if he is still on this list, since we haven't heard
anything from him since last December...

Steve
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From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) looking for . . .
Date: 12 May 1999 14:53:22 -0400


Mike da Moose said,
> seems I aint on the list...

No, dearest, I *know* where you are!

PS, whatcha doing next May?  Want to go to the Spanish Galleon
pub in Greenwich for dinner and eat feast bars in the park below
the observatory?

:-) Laura in NC


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From: Ralf Krauklis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hi everyone!
Date: 12 May 1999 23:35:40 -0400


Thomas Lang wrote:
>
> Hi everyone! I have been listening to MWH for quite awhile and have tried to get all of the music that is out there. I was really happy to get my hands on what I thought were the MP3's for all the boots. Now you guys are talking about the song "Heaven". what boot is it on and haw do I get it? I am also trying to get the 2 fer CD.
> Any info would he greatly appreciated!

Where can I get a hold of mp3's other than 'Safety Dance' and 'Pop Goes
the World'?  I'd love to listen to some mp3's from ROY and FOTE right
now since I don't have a 2-fer either; where can I find some?

-ralf

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) cools would-be remixes!
Date: 12 May 1999 23:24:30 -0400


Hi everyone,

I think the "remixes" so far are great!  A 77-minute version huh?  Nic
eidea but 77 minutes? I think I can go as long as 40 minutes listening to a
song (can you tell I'm an Orb fan?).  Someone, I forget who--I'm sorry!,
mentioned Ivan's voice goes well with a piano.  It gave me an idea of a
version of "I Like" just a piano and Ivan singing of course.  The piano
would be fast, with lots of bass.

Whatever happened to the fan-made cover album?  I think some of these remix
ideas would be so cool for it.



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From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IRC channel
Date: 13 May 1999 18:20:23 -0400


Hi everyone!

I am going to "try" and start a MWH IRC channel on EFNET.

The channel is called #mwh
I will try and be on there every night around 9:00pm EST (Eastern USA time)

If you don't know what IRC is, you can download the software at www.mirc.com

It seems that every band in the world has their own IRC channel except for
Men Without Hats.

Tom
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From: Tim Grimes <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IRC
Date: 13 May 1999 21:53:26 -0600 (MDT)




    I don't post much, but I like the irc idea.  I'm usually on
anyways.  I would love to help with the channel.  I have a bot I can offer
for use in the channel.  There are a lot of possibilities of what you can
do with a channel, and a bot.  I'm all for it Tom.


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From: Thomas Bieler  <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: Song I would change
Date: 14 May 1999 15:58:41 +0200 (CEST)


Hi all!

Ralf Krauklis wrote:

:) I too would like to experiment a bit with "Mother's Opinion".  I like
:) the way it reaches a climax with those pitch-shifting backup vocals
:) chanting with Ivan's "Sounds familiar - but it doesn't sound the
:) same...".  But imagine if a whole choir joined in, and then the full
:) fury of an orchestra crashed down on the mix along with a dozen kettle
:) drums fortifying that hypnotic beat; hundreds, thousands of instruments
:) chanting that droning melody...

I, too, thought of MO first. And this really sounds a great concept. Only
we'd have to extend the all-silent mid-section to about, say five minutes,
and towards the end of the song, the volume would have to go up until the
music blows your house away, no matter how much you turn the volume on
your stereo down. (Beyond a critical point you wouldn't be able to turn
your stereo off, as well. -- Anyone knows "Black Hit Of Space" by The
Human League? ... it got to number one, then into minus figures ...  ;-)

Now, who is going to do the remix?


Angie wrote:

:) On the Folk Of The 80's Part III LP I would have re-mixed "Mother's Opinion"
:) to be a little bit faster and a little more melodic ... maybe cut out some of
:) that heavy background noise and brought up the piano.

CUT OUT THE HEAVY BACKGROUND NOISE??? Oops, you mean stretch the silent
part all over the song??  You could then have it fade directly into a
remix version of "Where Did The Fun Go?" ...  just kidding! ;-)


At this point, I wanted to complain about not being on Laura's list, but
Mike was first. That's what you get from being on the digest version!
}8-(
Anyway, Mike, ever heard the song "Alaska Highway" by The Neon Judgement?
... "This land knows me, here I can die; Alaska highway, lies in the sky"

Thomas



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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: hats-digest V2 #133
Date: 14 May 1999 12:47:05 -0400 (EDT)


Hats off to Daniele for the great string!
I would definitely eliminate 21c safety dance from 21c.
I would love to hear 77min of Cocricci!
I think that many MWH sons are too slow to be truly "danceable"
so faster remixes would perhaps respark their popularity.
Also, have any of the guitarist out there checked out my
MWH TABlature page (Dave2, Angie, Mike, et al.)?
hatlessly,
Chris Frey
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) We hate the millenium don't we?
Date: 14 May 1999 20:49:40 -0400



>Hats off to Daniele for the great string!

thank you :)


>I would definitely eliminate 21c safety dance from 21c.

Lots of people said they woudlr emove thsi song.  why?  I like it--very
nice.  What's so bad about it?





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From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) looking for . . .
Date: 14 May 1999 00:03:50 -0700


>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> To: [e-mail]
>> From: [e-mail] (jon)
>> Subject: Re: (hats) looking for . . .
>> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:40:31 -0600
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i'm not sure what this was regarding, but if it's about the 2-fer, i'm
>> still interested!
>>
>> take care,
>>
>> jon
>>
>> >>Chris Bever
>> >>Kathy Beaupre
>> >>Jon Masciana
>> >>"Arechui"
>> >>Ethan Hall
>> >>Ted Eriksson
>> >>"Thomas J"
>> >seems I aint on the list...
>> >
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From: "Thomas J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Someone's looking for me
Date: 17 May 1999 08:45:35 PDT


Sorry to bother the list, but someone posted a week ago that they were
looking for me and I deleted the message before I could respond. So whoever
is looking for me, please send a private email. Thanks!

Tom


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Men without hats stuff for sale
Date: 17 May 1999 20:42:50 -0600


There are a few MWH records someone is selling at

http://home.att.net/~vig/f-n.htm




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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MIDI file
Date: 18 May 1999 18:13:29 +0100


bit of a cross mail this one...  has anyone got a midi-file of Bronki
Beat's 'junk' (off of the 'age of consent' album).  I dont usually use
midi files, hence I dont know where to get 'em!

please respond directly...
ta!

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From: Vennie Nemecek <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Questions about defunct MWH sites
Date: 24 May 1999 00:53:25 -0800


Hi,

    I'm completely new to this mailing list, so please bear with me if
these questions have been asked before.
    1)  Why is it that about 75% of the MWH-related websites I try to
access are no longer in service ("Object not found", etc.)?  Primarily
I'm looking for mp3s, album covers, and band photos so I can complete my
personal MWH collection, but it seems like most of the sites that I try
to access to find these things can no longer be accessed.
    2)  A related question for Richard: is there any hope of seeing the
mp3 archive opened up again?  I downloaded some of the music (maybe 1/4
of it), but before I could get the rest of it & the artwork, the site
was shut down.  Will I get another chance?
    Thanks to all for any info!

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From: Phil Birnbaum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where to get bootlegs?
Date: 24 May 1999 10:31:11 -0400


Hi,

A couple of weeks ago, Laura Kramer wrote me that we (the MWH community)
were up to 8 or 9 bootlegs (thanks, Laura!).

Can anyone tell me how I might be able to get a hold of them?  I drool with
anticipation, and thank all of you in advance for any help.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Bootlegs coming soon
Date: 24 May 1999 10:03:32 -0600


Hello

In the past I have made copies of the bootlegs for fans but have stopped a
few months ago, mostly because my cd-rom burner bit the dust. Well I just
bought a new 8x burner and have gotten so many request for the CDs that I am
going to be doing it again. I will be posting more information on my website
at http://www.holdman.com/mwh very soon.

Just wait a little longer.

For those that are waiting for the MP3 Cd that I am sending to it should be
done very soon. I am waiting on a Very High Quality MPEG Musicvideo of Pop
Goes the World. The one that is currently on the disc has OK Quality but I
am hoping to get the better one. I already have a High Quality version of
Safety Dance and the sound was redone from the original song from CD (the
Original version of Safety Dance had very bad sound quality)

More Info soon to come

-richard



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MP3 Archive open for MWH Fans for a limited time
Date: 24 May 1999 10:13:15 -0600


A lot of you know that I use to run the mp3 archive for the MWH bootlegs.
Well I have changed jobs and currently don't have the bandwidth I use to
have. The MWH archive was getting hit very hard and about 500megs to 1gig
was getting downloaded each day! Info about the site ended up being on mp3
lists and such.

I have opened up the archive for the mailing list so you can download the
mp3s if you want. In the very near future I will be selling a CD with all
the mp3s on it with artwork for $15 - Anyway If you want any of the mp3s you
can go there right now at http://www.holdman.com/mwh/offline - The offline
archive has almost everything done by MWH - Please dont download the albums
if you dont own them.

Please only tell MWH fans about this - don't go posting it on your own MWH
website. - Thanks

-Richard



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From: Charles Farnum <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) unsubscribe
Date: 24 May 1999 11:37:46 -0400


my school net started blocking sites that allow you to acces the info on
mailing lists. can someone please send me the info i need so that i can
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thank you
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) MP3 Archive open for MWH Fans for a limited time
Date: 24 May 1999 15:38:26 EDT


Rich,

     I'd like to convey my many thanks for devoting your valuable time to the
MP3 site. It's helped me much in looking for the Hats CD's I've wanted to
purchase from the list or anywhere else. Also, it was easier to get the MP3s
from the site instead of ripping them and encoding and sorting them on my PC
home and at work. I look forward to purchasing the MP3 CD.

                                                           Later, Hatless
ones.
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From: "Avi Rosenthal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) MP3 Archive open for MWH Fans for a limited time
Date: 25 May 1999 09:46:49 -0400



 Rich,

 I would also like to express my appreciation.  it is very kind of you to
 provide these files for those of us that only want a song or two and have
no
 idea how to rip our own.

 thanks again,

 Avi

 P.S. to everyone--- does anyone know a site where you can find 80's MP3
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From: "levelone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 80's title-non hats related
Date: 25 May 1999 21:34:39 +0200


 Hello hatless ones !

 Is there anybody out there who owns the song "Certain Things Are Likely"
 by K.T.P. (I think the full name of the band was "Kissing The Pink"). I
 owned the 12" Single some years ago but don't know, what has happened to
 it !
 Think this fine title is from roundabout 1985.
 Perhaps there is anybody who could send me the song as an mp3 compressed
 file ???
 Would really appreciate it !

 Thanx in advance

 Hatlessly

 DAVE



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From: "Ted Eriksson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 80's MP3 files
Date: 26 May 1999 00:44:11 +0200


> P.S. to everyone--- does anyone know a site where you can find 80's =
MP3
> files?


Check this one: (no downloads, just trade)

http://w1.862.telia.com/~u86203407/mp3_index3.htm

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From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) uforia.net down?
Date: 25 May 1999 19:45:38 -0700 (PDT)


Anyone else notice that http://www.uforia.net is down?

Jim
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Where did http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/ go?
Date: 26 May 1999 14:52:21 -0600


Hello

Well I decided to get my MWH site going (http://www.holdman.com/mwh) and I
am having a hard time finding some good pictures that I can use. Is the web
site that use to be http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats/ still around
anywhere?

Anyway I am looking for album cover pictures and whatever pictures I can
get. Thanks

-Richard



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Subject: Re: (hats) uforia.net down?
Date: 27 May 1999 01:57:32 EDT


Maybe so, but if you are looking for the web site affiliated with Ivan,

its address is:    http://uforia.net


Silverglade


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Sideways Re-Release?
Date: 27 May 1999 08:11:33 -0400


I just got an e-mail from CD Universe saying

    "We thought you'd be interested to know that
     the new CD Sideways by Men Without Hats will
     be available 6/1/99."

Does anybody know if it is being re-released?  It sounds like it is, from
the e-mail I received.

You can get to the Sideways page at
http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?lc=89200+14323&frm=mm52699 or
http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/a.asp?a=Men+Without+Hats&frm=mm52699.

Standard disclaimers ("I don't work for them", "They don't pay me", etc.)
apply.

It looks like it's still a Canadian release.  The price is around UD$21, if
you're interested.

Just passing the information along...

Steve
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I want/need the Living in China Single
Date: 27 May 1999 10:15:39 -0600


Anybody have or know where I can get the MWH - Living in China single? I
have seen the photo of the cover but have never seen one in person. Was this
a 45 single or a 12inch single?

Oh I want it! :)

-Richard



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From: "Linda D. Epstein" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Single
Date: 27 May 1999 13:48:43 -0400


I have the 45 to Living in China. B Side- Cocoricci. Front is a drawing
of some Chinese people with their arms raised.

Might be willing to sell...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) All the bootlegs on one CD-rom available.
Date: 27 May 1999 12:10:27 -0600


I have had tons of request for the mp3s that are on my site. If you want you
can download all these at http://www.holdman.com/mwh/offline - This link is
only for memebers of this list - Do not post this information on the web!

If you don't want to take the time to download all of them or just want the
CD-ROM with all the mp3s and artwork please visit
http://www.holdman.com/mwh/mp3cd.html

I am offering the complete bootlegs in mp3s plus some other bonus stuff for
$15 if anybody wants it.

-Richard



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From: Thomas Schipper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) "I Like" video
Date: 27 May 1999 14:33:08 -0400 (EDT)



Hello -

I was studying in London in 1983, and answered a radio announcement for
weird looking people to show up at a theater in their wildest get-up for a
music video shoot.

It ended up being the Men Without Hats "I Like" video. I forever wanted to
see it, but couldn't find it anywhere.

Are there any sources for this video ?  If anyone has it, I would love to
get a copy. I'll send a blank tape, along with 5 other blanks as
compensation, or whatever else deemed neccesary.

Tom

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) I want/need the Living in China Single
Date: 27 May 1999 20:14:11 +0100


>Anybody have or know where I can get the MWH - Living in China single? I
>have seen the photo of the cover but have never seen one in person. Was this
>a 45 single or a 12inch single?
i have the 12" if you're interested...

}:-)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Bonus stuff on CD-ROM
Date: 27 May 1999 13:14:03 -0600


I have gotten a few e-mails asking me what the bonus material is. You can
vist my webpage at http://www.holdman.com/mwh/mp3cd.html for a complete
listing of what is on the CD.

This is what the Bonus stuff is for those they want to know.

Covers/Remixes
Big_Daddy-Saftey_Dance.mp3
Chinese_Detectives-Where_do_the_boys_go_[Folk_of_the_80s_mix.mp3
Chinese_Detectives-Where_do_the_boys_go_[Rhythm_of_youth_Mix.mp3
MWH - Safety Dance Original Aussie Version.mp3
MWH - Safety Dance UK-Remix.mp3
MWH - Safety Dance [Biodome Mix].mp3
Motion - Safety Dance.mp3
Weird Al - Brady Bunch.mp3

Collin
01 - Colin - Open Water.mp3
02 - Colin - Wandy Lynn.mp3
03 - Colin - Lie Still Sleep Becalmed.mp3
04 - Colin - Existences.mp3


Videos
IVAN - Open your eyes.mpg
MWH - I Like.mpg
MWH - Pop Goes the World.mpg
MWH - Safety Dance.mpg



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Men Without Hats Rhythm/Folks III New Sealed - on ebay
Date: 28 May 1999 10:59:30 -0600


CRAZY!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=109556466

This Cd is up to $71 and it has 8 days left to go!

This is a local record store that can get these cds here in the USA as a
import and they sell them for like $20 - Maybe I should get a few and sell
them on ebay :)

-Richard



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Subject: Re: (hats) Men Without Hats Rhythm/Folks III New Sealed - on ebay
Date: 28 May 1999 13:19:53 -0400


Had I but known . . .  ;-)

> This Cd is up to $71 and it has 8 days left to go!

> This is a local record store that can get these cds here in the
> USA

Really?  They were not supposed to be able to be sold in the US,
which is why Thomas B, Mike da Moose, and I spent forever doing
this!

:-) LK
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Info on How to Order the 2fer from Modified Music in Salt Lake City Utah
Date: 28 May 1999 11:22:47 -0600


Ok People - It seems that you can mail order the 2fer from Modified Music
here in Utah.

Modified music has tons of importants and they can get you about anything.
After checking their website they have the 2fer listed in their catalog!

The website for Modified music is
http://www.modified-music.com

You can view what Men without Hats stuff they have in Stock at

http://www.modified-music.com/catip.htm

The CD is going for $25 and they have one in stock right now. I am sure they
should be able to order more of them.

Let us know on the List what you success was with getting the CD

-Richard



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) uforia.net down?
Date: 28 May 1999 18:24:54 EDT


If I go on Uforia, it's telling me:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.


So....  What I do now????

Francis


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From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) uforia.net
Date: 28 May 1999 18:32:29 -0600


Reguarding message:


- If I go on Uforia, it's telling me:
- Forbidden
- You don't have permission to access / on this server.
- So....  What I do now????
- Francis

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I am getting the same message, which is disappointing because I was looking
forward to purchasing the new album "Ultimate Pop Machine" when it becomes
available.  Anyone have any ideas as to what's up?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Uforia
Date: 28 May 1999 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT)


This is what I get when I try to access the site from webtv:

Access is restricted
The publisher has restricted access to a page, and will not allow you to
see it.
Publishers sometimes restrict access to limit the use of their
information.
In general, it won't help to try again.
Technical details
This is result=A0=A0403 Forbidden.

To me, it's Ivan himself who has restricted our access......any guesses
as to why?


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Subject: (hats) Dr. Laura
Date: 28 May 1999 21:02:59 -0400 (EDT)


Just a note to let you know how much I appreciate you helping me get a
copy of the ROY-FOTE cd, even if you didn't make a $45 profit on it. I'm
sure others appreciate your efforts as well:)


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