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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #243 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 243 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:58:26 -0800 From: patnellie@msn.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E8B8.996A4420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You ask this of a guy whom has 2 rooms in his house that have nothing but= bookshelves and game tables. 8-) Sherman and Cragg's Starfist Eddings Both Sets Believe it or not, Tolken's Fellowship was a addition to the Hobbit. Foster's Icerigger set was a follow up to Flinx SM Stirlings Added on 3 books to his "General" series and they are just a= s good, if not better. Terry Brooks Sharnara series Now that is just sitting here looking at 2 bookcases, if you want more, I= 'd be happy to wander into another room and check out some more cases. 8-) Please remember, we're talking books, not TV series, never watched Babbli= ng Five, so I cannot make a comparison, nor are we talking the other form of media. We are talking = books. ( sorry, if I sound stuck up, =20 but comic books are another art form, like comparing apples and oranges )= . =20 Ending a Series leaves a void for most readers, If the writer, as Cook is= here, is good, they create a world that excites you and makes you want to learn more about it. Please reflect on = the fact that Brooks, Donaldson, Mccaffery, ect, ect, have atlas's made of their worlds. Some, like Jordan even have = Books written about the Characters in books, so =20 you know whom is who. =20 But then, part of the fun of lists like this is the ability of people to = air their opinions and allow us to show others what we feel are good reads and what is right with an authors approach an= d what is wrong. =20 Pat =20 - ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: DREXCAXZOW Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:55 AM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company =20 I don't think that ending a series is wrong. I've had this discussion as pertains to other things several times with my friends. Babylon 5 is a stronger series than Star Trek because it had a beginning, a middle and a= n end. Star Trek just went on and on, trying to find new one-shot episodes every week. For anyone familiar with comic books there's the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. Arguably one of the best series out there, it also has a beginning, a middle and an end. Compare it to, say, the X-Men. Has an X book ever been given accolades for it's high quality? My feeling is that when an author chooses to start putting out books just to feed the public desire then the quality of the work diminishes. Instea= d of caring about telling a well-crafted story the focus becomes pandering to a broad audience. And as un-American as this sentiment is, I believe that the majority is very rarely right. Especially when it comes to entertainment. Have you ever seen a sequel that matched the original? - -Matthew On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 patnellie@msn.com wrote: > Lets see, Just off the top of my head... > =20 > Stirling : Draka series 12 and more coming > Webber: I have 8 Honor Harrington Books, more coming > Asprin, Lynn: listened to the fans and is pumping out more Thieves Worl= d. > McCaffery: Pern > Alan Dean Foster: Flinx 9 and more coming > =20 > There's more, but... to restate... > =20 > When an Author "ends" a series, it's a let down. There are many more t= ales to be told about the =20 > Black Company and I'm sorry, the ending left lots and lots to be desire= d. IN MY OPINION. Seems that > lots of characters were killed without any fare thee wells and the stor= y was choppy. again, IN MY OPINION. > =20 > The first books of the North were wonderful and alive, the last books o= f the south....well.... > =20 > Pat > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: QWOYIYZUNN > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:24 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company > =20 > =20 > 10 books isn't exactly leaving a fan base to wither. Frankly, I really > respect the fact that Glen isn't caving in to pressure to continue writ= ing > about a group of people whose story has been told. He wrote the story h= e > wanted to write. It had a beginning, a middle and ultimately an end. > That's part of what makes it so good. =20 > =20 > -Matthew > =20 > =20 > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 patnellie@msn.com wrote: > =20 > > Funny thing, I stumbled upon the Black Company and read it, hooked al= l my buddies on it and we loved it. > > Dread Towers were a so-so read, but then Garrett grabbed me as a ligh= ter side of Cook. As I also like Asprin (when he > > gets off his butt and writes ), Spider Robinsons "Callahans" and othe= r Lighter side readings, Garrett just stuck a good note. > > =20 > > Military reading wise, Webber and Drake are great and is SM Stirling,= but first grab off the shelf are Black Company. > > I think that my favorite duo in all of my readings are Goblin and One= - -eye. The Abbot and Costello of Black Company. > > If Cook ever wants to travel back in time and give us more of them, I= 'd buy it. I'd love to know more about the "lost" =20 > > origins of the Black Company and it movement north. =20 > > =20 > > *sigh* but I've read and re-read that he is done with the black compa= ny and it is a shame. To build a fan base and then > > to leave it to wither. =20 > > =20 > > Pat > > =20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Wrom: ZOWCONEUQZ > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:21 PM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (glencook-fans) Black Company > > =20 > > Pat, > > =20 > > True. Anything about the Black Comapany is of paramount interest. G= arrett, Dread Towers, and so on is interesting but not in the same group. > > =20 > > Lee Childs > > =20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > =20 > =20 > =20 > ***********************************************************************= *** =20 > * = * > * "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the gods." = * > * "Howso?" = * > * "It shows that the gods are wise." = * > * = * > ***********************************************************************= *** > =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > =20 *************************************************************************= * =20 * = * * "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the gods." = * * "Howso?" = * * "It shows that the gods are wise." = * * = * *************************************************************************= * =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E8B8.996A4420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>You ask this o= f a guy whom has 2 rooms in his house that have nothing but bookshel= ves and game tables. 8-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sherman = and Cragg's Starfist</DIV> <DIV>Eddings Both Sets</DIV> <DIV>Believe it o= r not, Tolken's Fellowship was a addition to the Hobbit.</DIV> <DIV>Foste= r's Icerigger set was a follow up to Flinx</DIV> <DIV>SM Stirlings A= dded on 3 books to his "General" series and they are just as good, if not= better.</DIV> <DIV>Terry Brooks Sharnara series</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> = <DIV>Now that is just sitting here looking at 2 bookcases, if you wa= nt more, I'd be happy to wander into</DIV> <DIV>another room and check ou= t some more cases. 8-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please remember, we'r= e talking books, not TV series, never watched Babbling Five, so I cannot = make</DIV> <DIV>a comparison, nor are we talking the other form of m= edia. We are talking books. ( sorry, if I sound stuck up, </DIV> <DIV>but= comic books are another art form, like comparing apples and oranges = ;). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ending a Series leaves a void for most = readers, If the writer, as Cook is here, is good, they create a world tha= t</DIV> <DIV>excites you and makes you want to learn more about it. Pleas= e reflect on the fact that Brooks, Donaldson, Mccaffery,</DIV> <DIV>ect, = ect, have atlas's made of their worlds. Some, like Jordan even have Books= written about the Characters in books, so </DIV> <DIV>you know whom is w= ho. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But then, part of the fun of lists like= this is the ability of people to air their opinions and allow us to show= others</DIV> <DIV>what we feel are good reads and what is right with an = authors approach and what is wrong. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pat</DI= V> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEF= T: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0= px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <= DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From= :</B> Changeling</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wedne= sday, March 12, 2003 8:55 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:= </B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Aria= l"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company</DIV> <DIV> </D= IV><BR>I don't think that ending a series is wrong. I've had this discuss= ion as<BR>pertains to other things several times with my friends. Babylon= 5 is a<BR>stronger series than Star Trek because it had a beginning, a m= iddle and an<BR>end. Star Trek just went on and on, trying to find new on= e-shot episodes<BR>every week.<BR>For anyone familiar with comic books th= ere's the Sandman series by Neil<BR>Gaiman. Arguably one of the best seri= es out there, it also has a<BR>beginning, a middle and an end. Compare it= to, say, the X-Men. Has an X<BR>book ever been given accolades for it's = high quality?<BR><BR>My feeling is that when an author chooses to start p= utting out books just<BR>to feed the public desire then the quality of th= e work diminishes. Instead<BR>of caring about telling a well-crafted stor= y the focus becomes pandering<BR>to a broad audience. And as un-American = as this sentiment is, I believe<BR>that the majority is very rarely right= . Especially when it comes to<BR>entertainment.<BR><BR>Have you ever seen= a sequel that matched the original?<BR><BR>-Matthew<BR><BR><BR>On Wed, 1= 2 Mar 2003 patnellie@msn.com wrote:<BR><BR>> Lets see, Just off the to= p of my head...<BR>> <BR>> Stirling : Draka series 12 and more comi= ng<BR>> Webber: I have 8 Honor Harrington Books, more coming<BR>> A= sprin, Lynn: listened to the fans and is pumping out more Thieves World.<= BR>> McCaffery: Pern<BR>> Alan Dean Foster: Flinx 9 and more coming= <BR>> <BR>> There's more, but... to restate...<BR>> <BR>> Whe= n an Author "ends" a series, it's a let down. There are many more t= ales to be told about the <BR>> Black Company and I'm sorry, the= ending left lots and lots to be desired. IN MY OPINION. Seems that<BR>&g= t; lots of characters were killed without any fare thee wells and the sto= ry was choppy. again, IN MY OPINION.<BR>> <BR>> The first books of = the North were wonderful and alive, the last books of the south....well..= ..<BR>> <BR>> Pat<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>= ----- Original Message -----<BR>> Wrom: QWOYIYZUNN<BR>> Sent: Wedn= esday, March 12, 2003 8:24 AM<BR>> To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.co= m<BR>> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company<BR>> = <BR>> <BR>> 10 books isn't exactly leaving a fan base to wither. Fr= ankly, I really<BR>> respect the fact that Glen isn't caving in to pre= ssure to continue writing<BR>> about a group of people whose story has= been told. He wrote the story he<BR>> wanted to write. It had a begin= ning, a middle and ultimately an end.<BR>> That's part of what makes i= t so good. <BR>> <BR>> -Matthew<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On = Wed, 12 Mar 2003 patnellie@msn.com wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Funny thi= ng, I stumbled upon the Black Company and read it, hooked all my buddies = on it and we loved it.<BR>> > Dread Towers were a so-so read, but t= hen Garrett grabbed me as a lighter side of Cook. As I also like Asprin (= when he<BR>> > gets off his butt and writes ), Spider Robinsons "Ca= llahans" and other Lighter side readings, Garrett just stuck a good note.= <BR>> > <BR>> > Military reading wise, Webber and Drake= are great and is SM Stirling, but first grab off the shelf are Black Com= pany.<BR>> > I think that my favorite duo in all of my readings are= Goblin and One-eye. The Abbot and Costello of Black Company.<BR>> >= ; If Cook ever wants to travel back in time and give us more of them, I'd= buy it. I'd love to know more about the "lost" <BR>> >= origins of the Black Company and it movement north. <BR>>= > <BR>> > *sigh* but I've read and re-read that he is don= e with the black company and it is a shame. To build a fan base and then<= BR>> > to leave it to wither. <BR>> > <BR>&= gt; > Pat<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original = Message -----<BR>> > Wrom: ZOWCONEUQZ<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, M= arch 11, 2003 10:21 PM<BR>> > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<= BR>> > Subject: (glencook-fans) Black Company<BR>> > &nb= sp; <BR>> > Pat,<BR>> > <BR>> > True. = Anything about the Black Comapany is of paramount interest. Garret= t, Dread Towers, and so on is interesting but not in the same group.<BR>&= gt; > <BR>> > Lee Childs<BR>> > <BR>> > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>> &= gt; To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list,<BR>&g= t; > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.<= BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ***************************= *********************************************** <BR>> * &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; *<BR>> * "It is g= ood to find that one is in agreement with the gods." &nb= sp; *<BR>> * "Howso?" &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; *<BR>= > * "It shows that the gods are wise." &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; *<BR>> * = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; *<BR>> ************************= **************************************************<BR>> <BR>> <BR>&= gt; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list,<BR>&= gt; visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.<BR>&= gt; <BR><BR><BR>*********************************************************= ***************** <BR>* &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; *<BR>* "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the = gods." *<BR>*= "Howso?" &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; *<BR>* "It shows that the gods are wise." &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; *<BR>* = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; *<BR>*****************= *********************************************************<BR><BR><BR>=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>To unsubscri= be, subscribe, or access the archives of this list,<BR>visit <http://w= ww.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></H= TML> - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E8B8.996A4420-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:15:56 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ram=F3n=20Pe=F1a?= <kunimon@wanadoo.es> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Darkwar Trilogy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Has anyone else read them recently? They are memorable, if for > nothing else, for some of the most appalling covers ever to insult a > Glen Cook novel. I did! There were quite a few dangling plot holes but I liked a lot how the scope of the narration kept increasing more and more, from the iron age village in the beginning to the star-spanning war at the end. - -Ramon ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:40:30 -0800 From: patnellie@msn.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recommendation on Garrett books - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E8BE.79FDC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Steve, Just went to the vault and pulled them out, Dread Empire is = the ones that I am talking about. Too many books, confuse titles sometimes. The book is "= Tower of Fear". Pat =20 =20 - ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: HSCRTNHGSWZID Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recommendation on Garrett books =20 Pat, I still don't know which books you mean. "I always call it the Dread Towers, it's the first set of books he wrote.= " The Dread Empire books are the ones about a Chinese-like expansionist empire with potent sorcerors as well as a highly disciplined and very successful army. They are the last four or so in the eight books that deal variously with the mysterious wizard Varthlokkur, the Norse fighter/statesman Bragi, the wandering fighter/fool Mocker, and a sprawl of miscellaneous kingdoms and smaller states fighting among themselves before realizing the danger posed to all by the Dread Empire. But there are no towers involved in any of this. Steve =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E8BE.79FDC660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Sorry Steve, J= ust went to the vault and pulled them out, Dread Empire is the = ones that I</DIV> <DIV>am talking about. Too many books, confuse titles s= ometimes. The book is "Tower of Fear".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pat&n= bsp;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PAD= DING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-= RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----= </DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"= ><B>From:</B> Stacey Harris</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent= :</B> Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:30 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt A= rial"><B>To:</B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FON= T: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) recommendation on Garr= ett books</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Pat,<BR><BR>I still don't know which boo= ks you mean.<BR><BR>"I always call it the Dread Towers, it's the first se= t of books he wrote."<BR><BR>The Dread Empire books are the ones about a = Chinese-like expansionist<BR>empire with potent sorcerors as well as a hi= ghly disciplined and very<BR>successful army. They are the last fou= r or so in the eight books that<BR>deal variously with the mysterious wiz= ard Varthlokkur, the Norse<BR>fighter/statesman Bragi, the wandering figh= ter/fool Mocker, and a sprawl<BR>of miscellaneous kingdoms and smaller st= ates fighting among themselves<BR>before realizing the danger posed to al= l by the Dread Empire. But there<BR>are no towers involved in any o= f this.<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives o= f this list,<BR>visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.ht= ml>.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E8BE.79FDC660-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:56:00 -0800 From: Jim Hunt <jhunt@aracnet.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company Steve Chew wrote: > At any rate, I respect Cook's decision to continue writing >BC books in order to make money. Someone else mentioned that they >appreciate authors, like Bill Watterson, who don't "rake in the cash" >by writing sequels that rapidly decline in quality. I don't think that >applies to Cook, in the BC case, in a couple of ways. First, he's not >raking in the cash by any means (certainly not like Watterson) and second >so far he has maintained a pretty high quality in the BC series -- >I trust him to continue to do so in the future. > > I hadn't heard that Glen had definitely decided to continue the BC series. That's great news ... I think there are many interesting directions he could go in based on the ending of "Soldiers Live". Tobo, Booboo (once someone wakes her up), and the Voroshk girls can add a nice dash of fresh air, and Croaker/Shivetya, Lady, and Soulcatcher are still around, not to mention the BC itself. There's always a chance it might suck, but I'm more than happy to have Glen take a shot at it. Meantime, I have "The Garrett Files" on the way thanks to bookfinder.com, so plenty to keep me busy in the meantime. Jim ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Filippov <igor@osc.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recommendation on Garrett books Try "Passage at Arms" - I think that was as gritty as it gets, though the settings are a bit different there. Igor On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Padraig Rourke wrote: > I'm new to this list - I joined because I've always liked the BC series. I > tried Garrett, but it just didn't work for me. Does Glen have any other > series which have the same gritty feel as the BC books? > > Re what Robo Tchas said: > > >I'd rather an author end a series and go out with a bang than drag it > >on long after the life has gone out of it, just to > >(a) keep feeding the fans and/or > >(b) keep raking in the cash. > > That's true of a lot of writers, and you hear also stories of writers under > pressure from their publishers to continue a series long past its use-by > date. But one of the things I found great about the Books of the South was > the way in which they started to get a direction of their own, especially > when Glen introduced new narrators - Murgen especially. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Roberts <reive33@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Darkwar Trilogy - --0-1172395510-1047581062=:21484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just read them a few months ago and liked them very much. The only other Cook books I'd read were all the Black Company and Garrett ones as well as Swordbearer and I'd hated Swordbearer so much that I was a little wary of reading his earlier stuff. I was delighted to find that I was sucked right into the story and didn't find it to be nearly as predictable, derivative and poorly paced as I thought Swordbearer was. I rather like the grim stuff and Darkwar has no shortage of that and I really enjoy how he can have a character do something completely reprehensible and yet I still root for them. My next goal is to obtain all of the Dread Empire novels to give them a go. Sam Ram≤n Pe±a <kunimon@wanadoo.es> wrote: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Has anyone else read them recently? They are memorable, if for > nothing else, for some of the most appalling covers ever to insult a > Glen Cook novel. I did! There were quite a few dangling plot holes but I liked a lot how the scope of the narration kept increasing more and more, from the iron age village in the beginning to the star-spanning war at the end. - -Ramon ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . "I donÆt get it, I mean what is it about relatively sane people (usually male it has to be said) who turn into really irritating wankers as soon as they get near a tour bus? Being in a band is not a short cut to ignorance and childishness; no matter how many times Liam Gallager pretends it is. The sad truth is that the more I see of the business the more I realize that Spinal Tap was just too tame." - Dean White, New Model Army - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online - --0-1172395510-1047581062=:21484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P>I just read them a few months ago and liked them very much. The only other Cook books I'd read were all the Black Company and Garrett ones as well as Swordbearer and I'd hated Swordbearer so much that I was a little wary of reading his earlier stuff. I was delighted to find that I was sucked right into the story and didn't find it to be nearly as predictable, derivative and poorly paced as I thought Swordbearer was. <P>I rather like the grim stuff and Darkwar has no shortage of that and I really enjoy how he can have a character do something completely reprehensible and yet I still root for them. <P>My next goal is to obtain all of the Dread Empire novels to give them a go. <P>Sam <P> <B><I>Ram≤n Pe±a <kunimon@wanadoo.es></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>> <BR>> Has anyone else read them recently? They are memorable, if for<BR>> nothing else, for some of the most appalling covers ever to insult a<BR>> Glen Cook novel.<BR><BR>I did! There were quite a few dangling plot holes but I liked a lot how<BR>the scope of the narration kept increasing more and more, from the iron<BR>age village in the beginning to the star-spanning war at the end.<BR><BR>-Ramon<BR><BR>=======================================================================<BR>To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list,<BR>visit <HTTP: GC-Mail.html GC ~shpshftr www.xmission.com>.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><P>"I donÆt get it, I mean what is it about relatively sane people (usually male it has to be said) who turn into really irritating wankers as soon as they get near a tour bus? Being in a band is not a short cut to ignorance and childishness; no matter how many times Liam Gallager pretends it is. The sad truth is that the more I see of the business the more I realize that Spinal Tap was just too tame." - Dean White, <STRONG>New Model Army</STRONG></P><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a href="http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/wh3/prod/">Yahoo! Web Hosting</a> - establish your business online - --0-1172395510-1047581062=:21484-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:26:10 -0700 From: "Derrill 'Kisc' Guilbert" <ninjaspam2@insaneninjahero.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Darkwar Trilogy Alright, I know we've had this discussion before, but explain to me about Swordbearer again (you aren't the only one who doesn't like it, if you weren't here for the last time). I /liked/ Swordbearer. I /liked/ that the protagonist changed sides, that both sides were run by human beings who were, in the end, selfish pricks after their own agenda. I mean, that is what this whole Iraq thing is, right? Bush is a moron with some agenda (that I'm not aware of because I try to ignore that entire family) and Saddam Hussien is, in fact, Evil. Now, I'll give you the poorly paced; I think this one book could have used a little rewrite and another hundred pages at least. I do not see the derivative. I thought that the story was intended as a different twist on the standard "legendary sword" type story. (Hmmm. Was there ever a "standard" legendary sword story? Because I can't think of one.) Predictable is a tough one for me. Many stories are predictable for me, but other people don't complain about them being predictable. What aspects of the story were predictable? The Garrett books are predicatable, in some sense: he always spends time with a hottie, generally one that causes him problems, and hilarity ensues. Here's how I envision Mr. Cook as having come up with the story for Swordbearer: "So there is this hero, right? And he has this sidekick, and this legendary sword. Well, what if the story didn't go like we thought?" and things snowballed from there. This is a serious question; I'm not being a smartass (for once). Kisc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Sam Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:44 AM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Darkwar Trilogy I just read them a few months ago and liked them very much. The only other Cook books I'd read were all the Black Company and Garrett ones as well as Swordbearer and I'd hated Swordbearer so much that I was a little wary of reading his earlier stuff. I was delighted to find that I was sucked right into the story and didn't find it to be nearly as predictable, derivative and poorly paced as I thought Swordbearer was. I rather like the grim stuff and Darkwar has no shortage of that and I really enjoy how he can have a character do something completely reprehensible and yet I still root for them. My next goal is to obtain all of the Dread Empire novels to give them a go. Sam ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:49:02 -0400 From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: off list reply Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company > Asprin, Lynn: listened to the fans and is pumping out more Thieves World. New Thieves World? This is the first I've heard of it. Any word on when it's coming out? Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:53:15 -0400 From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Series Arcs Good books have a plot arc - the story builds on itself. Many good series have a series arc - where the books build on themself. Those series without arcs, well, they are basically a collection of stand alone novels. Miss Marble comes to mind - no matter what happens the next book will center around a little old lady solving a murder mystery. Most of Cook's work has an arc. For example, the Dread Empire books are (in my mind) best read in chronological order rather than as written. So, what do people think about how his series arc? The BC: To me there are multiple arcs: First series - Books of the North - a wonderful arc. Could have easily ended the books here. Silver Spike - a stand alone that ties up a few loose ends from the first series. It's too closely linked to the first book of the south to end it here. Second series - Books of the South - building on the first arc this series has a terrible flaw - it doesn't end. You have introduction, build, but no climax. A terrible ending of the series for far too many years. Glittering Stones: The shifting 'voice' of this series affected its arc, and not in a good way. I'd say Books 1 and 2 were together, Book 3 had little to do with them, and Book 4 was more closely tied to the first two than the third one. The Dread Empire: A couple of linked series here as well. Garrett: The first handful of books were closely linked, but, and it could just be me, the series seems to have lost momentum rather than split. There's the early Garrett As PI ones (Garrett solving mysteries), the Garrett Caught Up in Games of State (the secret police intrigue), and the others. Cook might have had an arc in mind, but if so it seems that he's released a few more books than necessary. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the books, but the series as a series isn't his best work. Well, those are my views - would any like to add their own? Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Koshel <mkoshel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: off list reply Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company I think there's one or two out in Hardcover already. Not sure of the names off the top of my head. Mike - --- Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> wrote: > > > Asprin, Lynn: listened to the fans and is pumping > out more Thieves World. > > New Thieves World? This is the first I've heard of > it. Any word on > when it's coming out? > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #243 *********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.