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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #224 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Friday, November 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:36:16 -0700 From: "Kisc Kempson" <ninjaspam2@insaneninjahero.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook Hey, any possibility of more stories is great. I mentioned before that I love Hammer's Slammers... most of those stories are about completely different people who all are part of a well organized and well financed mercenary company (later a planetary military), in the same vein. I love Croaker and the others, but I would so be willing to read stories without them set in the same universe, particularly if one had the anchor of the Black Company to keep it interesting. Kisc > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Murphy > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:29 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook > > > Someone who taled to Cook recently said that Glen plans moving forword > with the Company. I am thinking this could be some stuff in one or more > of the other worlds off the plain. Maybe even raiding back and forth or > something. But I think it was also mentioned that he has another series > to finish out forst, so it could be a while before the Black Co comes > back on stage. > J Murphy > > Axemaster2001@aol.com wrote: > > > back to the reason for the list.... > > > > *spoiler* > > > > anyone heard anything about a new Black Company book? The last one > > left everything at a point and time where either new adventures could > > be chronicled, orrrr we get to see from the eyes of Croaker the > > periods in history that so captivated him. > > > > Imagine new Black Company books about previous incarnations of the > > company....or even the birth of the Domination...that is what id vote > > for, a book all about how the Dominator came to power, the 10 who were > > taken and their early lives, etc etc > > > > > > > > Axemaster 61 Cleric > > Lilaxe 58 Warrior > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:59:02 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook - --part1_1b9.8c41836.2af428f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 1:30:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, bagaele@netzero.com writes: > so it could be a while before the Black Co comes > back on stage. > J Murphy > thanks J kinda like the 6 year wait for so between First Book of the South and the rest 8( <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior - --part1_1b9.8c41836.2af428f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/1/02 1:30:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, bagaele@netzero.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">so it could be a while before the Black Co comes back on stage. J Murphy </BLOCKQUOTE> thanks J kinda like the 6 year wait for so between First Book of the South and the rest 8( <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior </HTML> - --part1_1b9.8c41836.2af428f6_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:11:02 -0600 From: "Primalchrome" <primalchrome@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook Since he introduced Case in the The White Rose, I've always been interested in seeing a book (or short story) with his perspective on some of the Lady's campaigns.... Novels revolving around what were once secondary or background characters instead of hashing on the Company or known entities. Or maybe a throw down on what Old Man Fish (from the Silver Spike) went through in his younger days.... Is it just me, or does Old Man Fish remind anyone else of an over-the-hill Garrett? BTW, I hear you on Drake. The Slammers and Black Company dominate the top shelf of my bookcase. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kisc Kempson" <ninjaspam2@insaneninjahero.com> To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook > Hey, any possibility of more stories is great. > > I mentioned before that I love Hammer's Slammers... most of those stories > are about completely different people who all are part of a well organized > and well financed mercenary company (later a planetary military), in the > same vein. > > I love Croaker and the others, but I would so be willing to read stories > without them set in the same universe, particularly if one had the anchor of > the Black Company to keep it interesting. > > Kisc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Murphy > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:29 PM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook > > > > > > Someone who taled to Cook recently said that Glen plans moving forword > > with the Company. I am thinking this could be some stuff in one or more > > of the other worlds off the plain. Maybe even raiding back and forth or > > something. But I think it was also mentioned that he has another series > > to finish out forst, so it could be a while before the Black Co comes > > back on stage. > > J Murphy > > > > Axemaster2001@aol.com wrote: > > > > > back to the reason for the list.... > > > > > > *spoiler* > > > > > > anyone heard anything about a new Black Company book? The last one > > > left everything at a point and time where either new adventures could > > > be chronicled, orrrr we get to see from the eyes of Croaker the > > > periods in history that so captivated him. > > > > > > Imagine new Black Company books about previous incarnations of the > > > company....or even the birth of the Domination...that is what id vote > > > for, a book all about how the Dominator came to power, the 10 who were > > > taken and their early lives, etc etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Axemaster 61 Cleric > > > Lilaxe 58 Warrior > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:23:58 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: Reliance on Religion (was RE: (glencook-fans) Hindu Mythology) - --part1_f9.24a70040.2af42ece_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/1/02 1:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: >=20 > Why is my opinon ill-conceived. - It is no more ill conceived than the=20 > following opinions : > Germans are all anti-semites. > Black people are lazy. > White males are evil money grubbers. > Muslims are all militant extremists. > Meaning that they're ALL poorly thought out and highly insulting to the=20 > target. >=20 *sigh* So, because someone has a divering opinion of religion, they get lumped into= =20 the masses of ignorant racists? That statement is as bad as assuming I am a=20 democrat just from stating my opinion. Folks who don't believe in deity at all would be the folks who would need to= =20 rationalize humanity's reliance on religion. - If this statement is what got= =20 your panties in a wad, I really don't know what to say.=A0 Mmm, have you read every post on this thread, or just picked selective parts= ?=20 My panties are not in a wad at all. I replied to this statement. This=20 statement says that people who dont believe in a diety/god, rationlize=20 humanitys reliance on religion. I was merely commenting on this statement,=20 and saying that it matches my own personal beliefs. I didnt attack anyone=20 personally, if you take it personal, or anyone takes it personal you/they ar= e=20 being too sensitive.=20 <A HREF=3D"http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=3D54179">Axemaster= </A> 61 Cleric <A HREF=3D"http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=3D54306">Lilaxe</A= > 58 Warrior =20 - --part1_f9.24a70040.2af42ece_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>In a message dated 11/1/02 1:38:23 PM Eastern Standard= Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Why is my opinon ill-conceiv= ed. - It is no more=20= ill conceived than the following opinions : Germans are all anti-semites. Black people are lazy. White males are evil money grubbers.<BR= > Muslims are all militant extremists.<BR= > Meaning that they're ALL poorly thought out and highly insulting to the tar= get. </BLOCKQUOTE> *sigh* So, because someone has a divering opinion of religion, they get lumped into= the masses of ignorant racists? That statement is as bad as assuming I am a= democrat just from stating my opinion. Folks who don't believe in d= eity at all would be the folks who would need to rationalize humanity's reli= ance on religion. - If this=20= statement is what got your panties in a wad, I really don't know what to say= .=A0 Mmm, have you read every post on this thread, or just picked selective parts= ? My panties are not in a wad at all. I replied to this statement. This stat= ement says that people who dont believe in a diety/god, rationlize humanitys= reliance on religion. I was merely commenting on this statement, and saying= that it matches my own personal beliefs. I didnt attack anyone personally,=20= if you take it personal, or anyone takes it personal you/they are being too=20= sensitive. <A HREF=3D"http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=3D54179">Axemaster= </A> 61 Cleric <A HREF=3D"http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=3D54306">Lilaxe</A= > 58 Warrior </HTML> - --part1_f9.24a70040.2af42ece_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:31:10 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: Reliance on Religion (was RE: (glencook-fans) Hindu Mythology) - --part1_147.1bc8e0a.2af4307e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 1:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: > Similarly, if you walk into a conversation and lead off with,"Well, you're > all weak minded sheep, but I'll still favor you with my presence..." you're > really not going to be making any headway. > > Man, this statement wraps it all up. I never said anything like that, I never implied anything like that. You are putting words in my mouth and also reading whatever you want to from my statements. <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior - --part1_147.1bc8e0a.2af4307e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/1/02 1:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Similarly, if you walk into a conversation and lead off with,"Well, you're all weak minded sheep, but I'll still favor you with my presence..." you're really not going to be making any headway. </BLOCKQUOTE> Man, this statement wraps it all up. I never said anything like that, I never implied anything like that. You are putting words in my mouth and also reading whatever you want to from my statements. <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior </HTML> - --part1_147.1bc8e0a.2af4307e_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New BC books... > >anyone heard anything about a new Black Company book? The last one left >everything at a point and time where either new adventures could be >chronicled, orrrr we get to see from the eyes of Croaker the periods in >history that so captivated him. > >Imagine new Black Company books about previous incarnations of the >company....or even the birth of the Domination...that is what id vote for, a >book all about how the Dominator came to power, the 10 who were taken and >their early lives, etc etc > I'd certainly like to see more Black Company books. Ones about the past would be cool, but revealing the story of the Dominator could be like revealing the man behind the curtain. The mystery is reduced -- it will be hard to match or exceed our expectations of that era. I think I'd prefer to see new adventures. On a different note, one of the things that I didn't like that well from the Glittering Stone books was how much Cook took advantage of Smoke and then Murgen to float around, viewing what's happening all over the world. It was a convenient tool for Sleepy and the rest of the BC of course, but it was almost *too* convenient in my opinion. I think it reduced tension since the BC could almost always anticipate what was going to happen next. I prefered it when they had to work out what to do without foreknowledge of the number of troops, their locations, etc. If I remember correctly, Cook got away from this technique in the last book or two and that may be part of why I preferred those books to the earlier Glittering Stone books. Did anyone else have that problem with the GS books? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:38:44 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook - --part1_d2.207410d0.2af43244_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 2:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: > Since he introduced Case in the The White Rose, I've always been interested > in seeing a book (or short story) with his perspective on some of the > Lady's > campaigns.... Novels revolving around what were once secondary or > background characters instead of hashing on the Company or known entities. > > Or maybe a throw down on what Old Man Fish (from the Silver Spike) went > through in his younger days.... Is it just me, or does Old Man Fish remind > anyone else of an over-the-hill Garrett? > > BTW, I hear you on Drake. The Slammers and Black Company dominate the top > shelf of my bookcase. > > the Silver Spike covered the release of the Lady and the 10, and a book detailing her take over control of the area and the birth of her new Empire would be great as well...maybe even a trilogy were we see the start of the Domination, the fall and then the 3rd book is the release and rebirth of the Lady <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior - --part1_d2.207410d0.2af43244_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/1/02 2:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Since he introduced Case in the The White Rose, I've always been interested in seeing a book (or short story) with his perspective on some of the Lady's campaigns.... Novels revolving around what were once secondary or background characters instead of hashing on the Company or known entities. Or maybe a throw down on what Old Man Fish (from the Silver Spike) went through in his younger days.... Is it just me, or does Old Man Fish remind anyone else of an over-the-hill Garrett? BTW, I hear you on Drake. The Slammers and Black Company dominate the top shelf of my bookcase. </BLOCKQUOTE> the Silver Spike covered the release of the Lady and the 10, and a book detailing her take over control of the area and the birth of her new Empire would be great as well...maybe even a trilogy were we see the start of the Domination, the fall and then the 3rd book is the release and rebirth of the Lady <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior </HTML> - --part1_d2.207410d0.2af43244_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:40:20 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New BC books... - --part1_126.1993b83d.2af432a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 2:37:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, schew@interzone.com writes: > On a different note, one of the things that I didn't like that > well from the Glittering Stone books was how much Cook took advantage of > Smoke and then Murgen to float around, viewing what's happening all over > the world. It was a convenient tool for Sleepy and the rest of the BC > of course, but it was almost *too* convenient in my opinion. I think > it reduced tension since the BC could almost always anticipate what was > going to happen next. I prefered it when they had to work out what to > do without foreknowledge of the number of troops, their locations, etc. > i always felt this was more a replacement of the wizards the company had lost...Tom Tom, Silent etc who had been stated as being the ones who had kept the Company one step ahead of the enemy many times... <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior - --part1_126.1993b83d.2af432a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/1/02 2:37:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, schew@interzone.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">On a different note, one of the things that I didn't like that well from the Glittering Stone books was how much Cook took advantage of Smoke and then Murgen to float around, viewing what's happening all over the world. It was a convenient tool for Sleepy and the rest of the BC of course, but it was almost *too* convenient in my opinion. I think it reduced tension since the BC could almost always anticipate what was going to happen next. I prefered it when they had to work out what to do without foreknowledge of the number of troops, their locations, etc. </BLOCKQUOTE> i always felt this was more a replacement of the wizards the company had lost...Tom Tom, Silent etc who had been stated as being the ones who had kept the Company one step ahead of the enemy many times... <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54179">Axemaster</A> 61 Cleric <A HREF="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=54306">Lilaxe</A> 58 Warrior </HTML> - --part1_126.1993b83d.2af432a4_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:39:44 -0700 From: "Kisc Kempson" <ninjaspam2@insaneninjahero.com> Subject: RE: Reliance on Religion (was RE: (glencook-fans) Hindu Mythology) Axemaster, PLEASE let it go. This arguement will not be resolved outside of the Thunderdome. Just let it die :) Kisc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Axemaster2001@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:31 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Reliance on Religion (was RE: (glencook-fans) Hindu Mythology) In a message dated 11/1/02 1:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, primalchrome@bellsouth.net writes: Similarly, if you walk into a conversation and lead off with,"Well, you're all weak minded sheep, but I'll still favor you with my presence..." you're really not going to be making any headway. Man, this statement wraps it all up. I never said anything like that, I never implied anything like that. You are putting words in my mouth and also reading whatever you want to from my statements. Axemaster 61 Cleric Lilaxe 58 Warrior ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:41:45 -0700 From: "Kisc Kempson" <ninjaspam2@insaneninjahero.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) New BC books... I didn't like it in general, but I kind of got the impression that Cook wanted to give them better intel, and found a way to do with magic what they didn't have the technology to do. It didn't seem THAT bad, but I agree that it rankled just a bit. Kisc > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Chew > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:36 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New BC books... > > > > > >anyone heard anything about a new Black Company book? The last one left > >everything at a point and time where either new adventures could be > >chronicled, orrrr we get to see from the eyes of Croaker the periods in > >history that so captivated him. > > > >Imagine new Black Company books about previous incarnations of the > >company....or even the birth of the Domination...that is what id > vote for, a > >book all about how the Dominator came to power, the 10 who were > taken and > >their early lives, etc etc > > > > I'd certainly like to see more Black Company books. Ones about > the past would be cool, but revealing the story of the Dominator could > be like revealing the man behind the curtain. The mystery is reduced -- > it will be hard to match or exceed our expectations of that era. I think > I'd prefer to see new adventures. > On a different note, one of the things that I didn't like that > well from the Glittering Stone books was how much Cook took advantage of > Smoke and then Murgen to float around, viewing what's happening all over > the world. It was a convenient tool for Sleepy and the rest of the BC > of course, but it was almost *too* convenient in my opinion. I think > it reduced tension since the BC could almost always anticipate what was > going to happen next. I prefered it when they had to work out what to > do without foreknowledge of the number of troops, their locations, etc. > If I remember correctly, Cook got away from this technique in > the last book or two and that may be part of why I preferred those books > to the earlier Glittering Stone books. Did anyone else have that problem > with the GS books? > > Steve > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:54:35 -0600 From: "Primalchrome" <primalchrome@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Reliance on Religion (was RE: (glencook-fans) Hindu Mythology) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C281AE.366F6D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, because someone has a divering opinion of religion, they get lumped = into the masses of ignorant racists? - Yes, actually. The basis for = comparison is valid. Your comment was a grossly oversimplified blanket = statement insulting anyone with religious ties or beliefs. How is this = any different than a farmboy making an equally flawed observation about = "russia iz fer dem commies an stoopid folk". They're both insulting = generalized assumptions about people that have little or no basis in the = reality. Mmm, have you read every post on this thread, or just picked selective = parts? - The quote I was using was initially your reference. I was = simply following your lead, sir. "I never said anything like that, I never implied anything like that." = - - Crikey! Stop with the whining for one minute and read what was = typed. I didn't claim that you made that statement, I was illustrating = that if you walk into a crowd and lead off with an insult, you shouldn't = expect to make any headway. For the record your quote was,"ive always = believed religion was for the weak." =20 You insulted members of the list and now you're howling like a starving = kit because you reaped the whirlwind. I'm glad you have your beliefs = and are able to develop personal opinions.... Hell, I wish everyone = were a little more independently minded. I don't even take your opinion = as a personal insult...in that it doesn't really apply to me. What = pisses me off is how you seem to feel you have a right to spout off with = an insult and it not have any reprocussions. Just take your medicine or = hunker down for a couple of days and let it blow over. Human memory is = short, particularly on mailing lists. That being said, this thread is an irritating waste of time, so I'm = nixing any participation in it. Enjoyed it.=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C281AE.366F6D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>So, because = someone has a=20 divering opinion of religion, they get lumped into the masses of = ignorant=20 racists? - Yes, actually. The basis for = comparison is=20 valid. Your comment was a grossly oversimplified blanket statement = insulting anyone with religious ties or beliefs. How is this any = different=20 than a farmboy making an equally flawed observation about "russia iz fer = dem=20 commies an stoopid folk". They're both insulting generalized = assumptions=20 about people that have little or no basis in the reality.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mmm, have you = read every post=20 on this thread, or just picked selective parts? - The = quote I=20 was using was initially your reference. I was simply following = your lead,=20 sir.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"I never said = anything like=20 that, I never implied anything like that." - = <FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Crikey! Stop with the whining for one minute = and read=20 what was typed. I didn't claim that you made that statement, I was = illustrating that if you walk into a crowd and lead off with an insult, = you=20 shouldn't expect to make any headway. For the record your quote = was,"ive=20 always believed religion was for the weak." </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You insulted members of the list and = now you're=20 howling like a starving kit because you reaped the whirlwind. I'm = glad you=20 have your beliefs and are able to develop personal opinions.... = Hell, I=20 wish everyone were a little more independently minded. I = don't=20 even take your opinion as a personal insult...in that it doesn't = really=20 apply to me. What pisses me off is how you seem to feel you = have a=20 right to spout off with an insult and it not have any=20 reprocussions. Just take your medicine or hunker = down for a=20 couple of days and let it blow over. Human memory is short, = particularly=20 on mailing lists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That being said, this thread is an = irritating waste=20 of time, so I'm nixing any participation in it. Enjoyed=20 it. </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C281AE.366F6D80-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:57:33 -0600 From: "Primalchrome" <primalchrome@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Back on Cook This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C281AE.A0AA8EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the Silver Spike covered the release of the Lady and the 10, and a book = detailing her take over control of the area and the birth of her new = Empire would be great as well... >drool< Oh man, now THAT would be a good one. Anyone else read "Daughter of the Empire" by Feist? It's about the = political/military struggles of a kneecapped house in an feudal oriental = society. (ala Riftwar) Somehow I think the Lady would display even = more guile and maneuvering.... - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C281AE.A0AA8EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>the Silver Spike = covered the release=20 of the Lady and the 10, and a book detailing her take over control of = the area=20 and the birth of her new Empire would be great as well...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>drool< Oh man, now THAT = would be a=20 good one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else read "Daughter of the = Empire" by=20 Feist? It's about the political/military struggles of a kneecapped = house=20 in an feudal oriental society. (ala Riftwar) Somehow I think = the=20 Lady would display even more guile and maneuvering....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C281AE.A0AA8EA0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New BC books... >> On a different note, one of the things that I didn't like that >> well from the Glittering Stone books was how much Cook took advantage of >> Smoke and then Murgen to float around, viewing what's happening all over >> the world. It was a convenient tool for Sleepy and the rest of the BC >> of course, but it was almost *too* convenient in my opinion. I think >> it reduced tension since the BC could almost always anticipate what was >> going to happen next. I prefered it when they had to work out what to >> do without foreknowledge of the number of troops, their locations, etc. >> If I remember correctly, Cook got away from this technique in >> the last book or two and that may be part of why I preferred those books >> to the earlier Glittering Stone books. Did anyone else have that problem >> with the GS books? >> > >I didn't like it in general, but I kind of got the impression that Cook >wanted to give them better intel, and found a way to do with magic what they >didn't have the technology to do. > >It didn't seem THAT bad, but I agree that it rankled just a bit. > I didn't mind the technique itself as much as the result. I felt we spent too much time "wandering" around with the ghost-walkers looking at what was happening. Meantime, the rest of the BC was usually just sitting in one place waiting for the intelligence report. I think Cook was trying to solve two problems: the BC was too small to be moving around a lot taking action, and he wanted to show what was happening in multiple places at once. Those are difficult problems for an author to solve. I think I preferred it when we didn't know what was happening elsewhere -- it gave the characters more to worry about and plan for. A similar situation existed in Shadows Linger where there was a small BC contingent in the city and for most of the book they stayed in one place. The tension was higher in that book though, due to the internal conflicts and the fact that not everyone (including the reader) knew what was going on. I think that the GS books could have used techniques, internal conflicts and more mystery, to add tension. <spoiler for Soldiers Live> One thing that I forgot to mention in the original post was that I am somewhat concerned that if we do get new Black Company books that the same problem will occur if Cook uses Croaker and his new powers to "wander" over the lands watching everything that happens. I think there is much more tension if the story is told from the point of view of an uninformed soldier rather than an uninvolved ghost-walker. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #224 *********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.