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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:28:37 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

"Brooke A. Wheeler" wrote:
>
> 5) Glen's health: He said he'd had some weight-related problems and his
> doctor has him on a weight-reduction program, which seems to be working
> fine.

This is great to hear.

> 3) What's in the works: more Garrett Files books, and two more Black
> Company books.

Did he mention if they were sequels or pre-sequels?

It's just the last book felt like, well, the last book of a series.  It
didn't seem to need anything added on...
Then again, so The White Rose (book 3 of 10) so Cook can probably pull
it off again...

Richard

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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:47:27 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

Brooke,

Thanks for that report!  I think that tells us pretty well where things
stand:  What's coming up for sure is pretty much what we already knew
about; but maybe there's a chance of lobbying his publishers for other
things (eBooks, Dread Empire).  That would be Tor (Black Company, Dread
Empire) and ROC (Garrett).

Tor
Tom Doherty Associates, LLC
175 Fifth St.
New York, NY 10010

ROC
New American Library
Penguin Putnam, Inc.
375 Hudson St.
New York, NY 10014

Steve

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:01:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

    Thanks for posing the questions and getting us the info!  :-)

>
>As promised, when I saw Mr. Cook at the WorldCon, I asked him the
>questions I chose from the requests you all sent me. Here are his responses:
>
>1) News on the crime novel: He has a title (the Butcher's Apprentice)
>but his agent isn't too enthusiastic about his prospects for being able
>to pitch it to a publisher. IIRC, it's basically written and everything,
>just waiting for his agent to to get it sold, but when (or if) that
>happens is the big question...
>
    Geez, he needs a more enthusiastic agent.  There are tons of
crime novels published every year, so it seems like an established
author should have a decent chance of getting one published.  Did he
say why his agent felt that way?  Is the market saturated?  Or is
his book to far off the beaten path or something?


>2) Glen's opinion about eBooks: "If someone comes up to my agent with a
>truckload of money wanting to put my stuff in electronic format, I have
>no problem with that whatsoever." But I didn't get the idea he was
>interested in pressing the issue to any great degree. I would say, if
>you want to see Glen Cook's stuff in eBook format, write to his
>publishers and let them know. Tor has put a lot of other authors' stuff
>out there as eBooks, and  my impression was that Glen wouldn't object if
>they want to do the same for his books.
>
    Did he have any opinion on the "free books library" from Baen?
Did you get a chance to show him the pages you printed?


>3) What's in the works: more Garrett Files books, and two more Black
>Company books.
>
    Wooo!  :-)  Thanks again Brooke.

                Steve


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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:16:54 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

Steve,

"is
his book to far off the beaten path or something?"

I don't know of any other near-future crime novels; I'd say this is
rather, um, novel.  (He told me a year or two ago that it's set far
enough into the future that he can presume a working nation-wide
computer network for cops; in my estimation, that's decades away, but I
don't really know when he sets it.)

Steve

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:22:01 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 08:57 PM, Brooke A. Wheeler wrote:

> 1) News on the crime novel: He has a title (the Butcher's Apprentice)
> but his agent isn't too enthusiastic about his prospects for being
> able to pitch it to a publisher. IIRC, it's basically written and
> everything, just waiting for his agent to to get it sold, but when (or
> if) that happens is the big question...

Same story a year later. Sigh. Looks like it may never be published.

> 3) What's in the works: more Garrett Files books, and two more Black
> Company books.

Noooooooooooo! I thought he was finally writing something new.

Thanks for the report Brooke!

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 01:20:56 -0500
From: "Joe G Kushner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Too bad about the Atlas bit

I guess I can understand the writer not wanting concrete details down.
Still, it would make an interesting read.  There are many areas that
would benefit immensely from illustration.  I can picture some of the
creatures from the Plains of Fear for example, but some others just seem
a little too odd to properly visualize.  Some portraits of the various
members of the Black Company would be great too.  The illustration of
SoulCatcher on the cover of the first book is a good example.

Take the Limper for instance.  Wouldn't it be great to see his rise and
fall in all the various incarnations he's suffered through?  That would
be a very interesting piece of sketching.

And of course Charm, Oar, and other great places mentioned.




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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 03:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

>
>> 1) News on the crime novel: He has a title (the Butcher's Apprentice)
>> but his agent isn't too enthusiastic about his prospects for being
>> able to pitch it to a publisher. IIRC, it's basically written and
>> everything, just waiting for his agent to to get it sold, but when (or
>> if) that happens is the big question...
>
>Same story a year later. Sigh. Looks like it may never be published.
>
    Yeah, it looks that way.  The way Cook talks it's like his
agent isn't even interested in pushing it.  If he can't publish it
in another year or two it might be a good opportunity to experiment
with online publishing.  ;)


>> 3) What's in the works: more Garrett Files books, and two more Black
>> Company books.
>
>Noooooooooooo! I thought he was finally writing something new.
>
    How can we expect him to write something new when he can't
sell the last book that he wrote (the crime novel)?  The publishers
(and apparently his agent) just want more of the same since they know
there is a fan base for it.

                Steve


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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 03:53:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

>
>"is his book to far off the beaten path or something?"
>
>I don't know of any other near-future crime novels; I'd say this is
>rather, um, novel.  (He told me a year or two ago that it's set far
>enough into the future that he can presume a working nation-wide
>computer network for cops; in my estimation, that's decades away, but I
>don't really know when he sets it.)
>

    Well...  I guess most of the crime/sci-fi novels that I've
read have been in the past or more fantasy in style.  But, it was
my impression that this book is not really sci-fi at all.  The
computer network for cops could hardly be called 'futuristic'.
    I think he should be marketing this book to the publishers
of mysteries and/or 'standard' crime novels.  If the only thing
'sci-fi' about the book is the computer network then it would
easily fit within those genres.  Many fiction books and especially
movies (eg. Enemy of the State, The Net) make up variations on
technologies and still present it as "present day".

                Steve


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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:18:59 -0500
From: "don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

Crime Zero by some guy I don't care to recall. If that can get published,
Cook should be able to as well.

Don
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Harris" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview


> Steve,
>
> "is
> his book to far off the beaten path or something?"
>
> I don't know of any other near-future crime novels; I'd say this is
> rather, um, novel.  (He told me a year or two ago that it's set far
> enough into the future that he can presume a working nation-wide
> computer network for cops; in my estimation, that's decades away, but I
> don't really know when he sets it.)
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:21:32 -0500
From: "don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

I'm with you Eric. I love both series, but I wouldn't mind something new. I
got the impression a while back that Mr. Cook wouldn't either.

Don
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Herrmann" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview


> On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 08:57 PM, Brooke A. Wheeler wrote:
>
> > 1) News on the crime novel: He has a title (the Butcher's Apprentice)
> > but his agent isn't too enthusiastic about his prospects for being
> > able to pitch it to a publisher. IIRC, it's basically written and
> > everything, just waiting for his agent to to get it sold, but when (or
> > if) that happens is the big question...
>
> Same story a year later. Sigh. Looks like it may never be published.
>
> > 3) What's in the works: more Garrett Files books, and two more Black
> > Company books.
>
> Noooooooooooo! I thought he was finally writing something new.
>
> Thanks for the report Brooke!
>
> --
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> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:26:41 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:32:53 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Koshel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

In regards to:

4) What about the unpublished Dread Empire book: Glen
is currently in the process of sorting through his
papers (he has several file cabinets packed full of
various papers) and he's pretty sure it's in there. He
says that as far as he recalls, he had it about 85%
written and if there is sufficient interest he would
be more than happy to finish it up and  send it off to
the publisher. Again, your best chance of seeing this
book in print is to write his publisher and (politely)
petition them to publish it.

Thanks for asking this question Brooke. Dread Empire
is my personal favourite of Cook's work. It sure would
be nice to see this list do a united mailing to try
and get this book published. I plan on doing a letter
to Tor this week. (By the way, thanks Steve for the
Tor address.)

I wonder if Tor has considered doing Ominbus editions
of the Dread Empire. I've noticed that they've done
this for early Andre Norton books (Witchworld and
others) and Gordon R. Dickson (Dorsai) and both of
these series were published by others and they would
have had to acquire the rights for these books to do
it. I'll throw this question at them in my letter. (I
don't know if they'll respond or not but we'll see.)

Thanks again,
Mike

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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:58:30 -0700
From: Brooke Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon

He was friendly and willing to answer the questions I had. I wasn't able
to get them all answered because he was busy busy with his booth, but he
certainly seemed "approachable." Does that answer your question?

Igor Filippov wrote:

>Could you please ask him just exactly about that - how much
>people are pestering him ? It seems that he is quite unapproachable to
>an average reader - at least to one who can't afford to go to
>WorldCon and such...
>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:59:00 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Too bad about the Atlas bit

Joe G Kushner wrote:
>
> I guess I can understand the writer not wanting concrete details down.
> Still, it would make an interesting read.  There are many areas that
> would benefit immensely from illustration.  I can picture some of the
> creatures from the Plains of Fear for example, but some others just seem
> a little too odd to properly visualize.  Some portraits of the various
> members of the Black Company would be great too.  The illustration of
> SoulCatcher on the cover of the first book is a good example.
>
> Take the Limper for instance.  Wouldn't it be great to see his rise and
> fall in all the various incarnations he's suffered through?  That would
> be a very interesting piece of sketching.
>
> And of course Charm, Oar, and other great places mentioned.
>

If Cook ever publishes an Atlas I'll buy it.  That said, I kind of hope
I never see one.  From what Cook has said he doesn't map out his fantasy
worlds in advance so it wouldn't be a case of getting someone to make an
Atlas from his notes - it would be a case of Cook spending time writing
it.  If Cook is going to devote that time to something I'd prefer a new
novel rather than a rehash of previous stories.

Just my opinion.

Richard

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon

More or less - thank you !
I was wondering how difficult it is to get in touch  with him for
an average reader who might not be able to attend the conventions.
I guess I'll just need to save for an air ticket :)

Igor

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Brooke Wheeler wrote:

> He was friendly and willing to answer the questions I had. I wasn't able
> to get them all answered because he was busy busy with his booth, but he
> certainly seemed "approachable." Does that answer your question?
>
> Igor Filippov wrote:
>
> >Could you please ask him just exactly about that - how much
> >people are pestering him ? It seems that he is quite unapproachable to
> >an average reader - at least to one who can't afford to go to
> >WorldCon and such...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:19:48 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

 --- Steve Harris <[e-mail]> wrote: > Steve,
>
> "is
> his book to far off the beaten path or something?"
>
> I don't know of any other near-future crime novels;
> I'd say this is
> rather, um, novel.

As you say, we don't know how far future, but I just
finished reading the Mocking Program by Alan Dean
Foster, and it is basically a futuristic crime novel.
Not as far future as Gibson's cyber-space stuff, but
futuristic enough.

Now, if Mr. Cook is saying that the only really SF
part of the novel is the computer system, then I'd say
that's pretty much untrodden ground. Although
"Fatherland" by Robert Harris (I believe. Does anyone
know for sure?) was really an alternate-history crime
novel that did spectacularly well.

And his agent is Russell Galen, who is almost always
in Locus with sales, so I don't know if it is a
problem so much with the agent as with the agent's
specialty. I don't know how much non-genre fiction Mr.
Galen deals with.

Ah well, let's hope.

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:43:07 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon

 --- Igor Filippov <[e-mail]> wrote: > More or
less - thank you !
> I was wondering how difficult it is to get in touch
> with him for
> an average reader who might not be able to attend
> the conventions.
> I guess I'll just need to save for an air ticket :)
>
> Igor

Drop him a line through his publishers at Tor. I did
and I got a reply from him. Rather quickly as well. He
was very polite and informative in his letter. I would
consider him very approachable, in correspondence as
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon

>
>More or less - thank you !
>I was wondering how difficult it is to get in touch  with him for
>an average reader who might not be able to attend the conventions.
>I guess I'll just need to save for an air ticket :)
>
Igor,
    You can also write him.  I've written him a few times (a number
of years ago) and did get a response (I was asking him whether he had
any of his out of print books for sale).  His responses were generally
form letters with a few personalized notes -- he said that he didn't
really have time to personally respond to all of the letters he gets,
which is understandable.
    I met him at Albacon, another convention, and like Brooke I
found him to be approachable.  I just tried to catch him when he wasn't
busy selling books.

                Steve


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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:01:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Glen Cook Interview

>>> "is his book to far off the beaten path or something?"
>>
>> I don't know of any other near-future crime novels;
>> I'd say this is rather, um, novel.
>
>As you say, we don't know how far future, but I just
>finished reading the Mocking Program by Alan Dean
>Foster, and it is basically a futuristic crime novel.
>Not as far future as Gibson's cyber-space stuff, but
>futuristic enough.
>
    True, but the impression I keep getting is that it's a crime
novel, not a sci-fi novel.


>Now, if Mr. Cook is saying that the only really SF
>part of the novel is the computer system, then I'd say
>that's pretty much untrodden ground. Although
>"Fatherland" by Robert Harris (I believe. Does anyone
>know for sure?) was really an alternate-history crime
>novel that did spectacularly well.
>
    Untrodden by whom?  It just seems like a typical
non-sci-fi story to me from the little I know of it (which
is what I've read here).


>And his agent is Russell Galen, who is almost always
>in Locus with sales, so I don't know if it is a
>problem so much with the agent as with the agent's
>specialty. I don't know how much non-genre fiction Mr.
>Galen deals with.
>
    I think you may be right.  Perhaps Galen just doesn't
know what to do with a book that isn't sci-fi.

            Steve


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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:56:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Upcoming books in TBC series

"Brooke A. Wheeler" wrote:
> It's just the last book felt like, well, the last book of a series.  It
> didn't seem to need anything added on...
> Then again, so The White Rose (book 3 of 10) so Cook can probably pull
> it off again...

Some threads were still being unravelled even during the last few pages of
Soldiers Live. As I neared the last three pages or so, I was wondering: How
is Mr. Cook exactly going to give this an appropriate ending, tying up at
least some of the loose ends he just made not 10 pages ago?

That opinion made me think that the next few pages couldn't possibly resolve
the issues, therefore there must be another BC book. However, once I did read
those last few paragraphs, I wondered why I considered those things. Glen
Cook is certainly a master, and I was disappointed in myself for having
doubted him.

The closure provided was certainly enough for the smaller series. And it was
good enough to end TBC altogether imo. But as usual he leaves those last
pieces hanging there.

My only worry: I would think even Mr. Cook himself would have trouble topping
the awesome ending of SL.

I'm elated that the Black Company is coming back; that's half of me speaking.
The other half can still taste the cigar I mentally smoked after Soldiers
Live, knowing that few can top such an ending.

My opinion on the upcoming books: I have a feeling I'll get disappointed in
myself for having doubted him, all over again.


Also I'd like to thank Trinixx for the excellent additions to the map of the
southern continent! Very well done and accurate, and although I haven't
reviewed all the details on it, it appears to be our best 'atlas' substitute
yet.

- -Welly

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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:11:25 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Upcoming books in TBC series - added spoilers

Note - spoilers below

[e-mail] wrote:
> Some threads were still being unravelled even during the last few pages of
> Soldiers Live. As I neared the last three pages or so, I was wondering: How
> is Mr. Cook exactly going to give this an appropriate ending, tying up at
> least some of the loose ends he just made not 10 pages ago?
>
> That opinion made me think that the next few pages couldn't possibly resolve
> the issues, therefore there must be another BC book. However, once I did read
> those last few paragraphs, I wondered why I considered those things. Glen
> Cook is certainly a master, and I was disappointed in myself for having
> doubted him.
>

I agree - those last few pages were wonderful.

> The closure provided was certainly enough for the smaller series. And it was
> good enough to end TBC altogether imo. But as usual he leaves those last
> pieces hanging there.
>

The problem is who is left to be the focus of the new series.
The company - reformed in an alien demension - doesn't seem to have the
same soul as the one that went north, lost itself, was broken, and
reformed on its trip south.  If memory serves most of its troops are
temps.

Almost all the main characters we were getting attached to went with the
gate house.  There are so few characters left to provide continuality.
Maybe a focus on the magic users?  Toby fighting not to become a
Dominator as the Lady and the two wiz-kids work to restore the damaged
wizards?

Then again, after reading The White Rose I couldn't predict The Silver
Spike or the Books of the South, so I might be totally off here.

> My only worry: I would think even Mr. Cook himself would have trouble topping
> the awesome ending of SL.
>

I know - that's why I was surprised to see more BC books coming.

> I'm elated that the Black Company is coming back; that's half of me speaking.
> The other half can still taste the cigar I mentally smoked after Soldiers
> Live, knowing that few can top such an ending.
>
> My opinion on the upcoming books: I have a feeling I'll get disappointed in
> myself for having doubted him, all over again.
>

Then again, I've found if you don't hope for much you can't be
disappointed - I've had that philophy after seeing "the movie of the
year", feeling let down, and realizing that it was a nice little movie
but my expectations were just too high.

That said, I won't be reading the blurb on the new books in case it
gives away something and getting them in hardcover if they are released
that way.

Richard

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