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glencook-fans-digest      Monday, August 19 2002      Volume 01 : Number 203




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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:28:38 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books.

I couldn't find *anything* on the crecybooks.com site, but I did find a bunch on abebooks.com, which it links to... hasn't that site been mentioned here before?  Prices are pretty high, too.

Pete


In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 2:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail] writes:

> While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I
> ran acoss the following website.  Of course I had to run a search for
> Cook.  There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the
> more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works.
> In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few
> ridiculous prices also.   Anyways just thought I'd pass
> this information on.
>
> Mike
>
> http://www.crecybooks.com/



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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:01:00 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken

My email appears to be glitched a bit.

I see a reposting that says, among other things,

"I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken
and what we know about their respective demises."

but I never received the original of this--never saw the breakdown.  Is
it available?

Steve

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:52:49 +1000
From: Graham Allen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books.

They just link through to ABE Books:

http://www.abebooks.com/

This is _the_ place for finding rare books.

Regards,
Graham

At 02:03  16/08/02 -0500, Mike Waligorski wrote:
>While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I ran
>acoss the following website.  Of course I had to run a search for
>Cook.  There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the
>more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works.
>In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few
>ridiculous prices also.   Anyways just thought I'd pass this information on.
>
>Mike
>
>http://www.crecybooks.com/
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:16:08 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken

on 8/16/02 5:01 PM, Steve Harris at [e-mail] wrote:

> My email appears to be glitched a bit.
>
> I see a reposting that says, among other things,
>
> "I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken
> and what we know about their respective demises."
>
> but I never received the original of this--never saw the breakdown.  Is
> it available?

My spam filter decided the message "uses words and phrases which indicate
porn" and moved it to my trash folder. I only found it and the reply by
accident.

I don't know what was pornographic in it. Well other than the enclosed lost
chapters from "The Swap Academy". I still don't understand their connection
with the Taken. :)

Maybe the same thing happened to others?

I can put it up on the website as an early release of the August archive. It
was a rather good posting.

- --
Eric Herrmann
<[e-mail]>
<[e-mail]>


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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken

>
>My spam filter decided the message "uses words and phrases which indicate
>porn" and moved it to my trash folder. I only found it and the reply by
>accident.
>
>I don't know what was pornographic in it. Well other than the enclosed lost
>chapters from "The Swap Academy". I still don't understand their connection
>with the Taken. :)
>
>Maybe the same thing happened to others?
>
>I can put it up on the website as an early release of the August archive. It
>was a rather good posting.
>

    Yes, put it on the website it was a nice analysis of the Taken.

                Steve


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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Taken & shadowmaster breakdown post

I figured I'd re-post this for Mr. Harris and any
others who could not view it the first time I sent it.
Did it really get rejected by email filters? I checked
it out again, but probably read over the part which the
filter didn't like. I never write things with obscene
stuff, so naturally I was curious as to how the filters
got offended. After you read something a million times
you can't really tell the wood from the trees (or
however that saying goes). I just copied and pasted:

Hello folks. I'm new to this fan mailing list, and I'd
like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten
original Taken and what we know about their respective
demises. I'll put page references whenever possible so
the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either
corroborate or disprove me. Please, you don't have to
go easy on the new guy   :)

Because my list is essentially one enormous spoiler,
I'll do what I've seen others do in the archives I have
read, in case someone who is reading this hasn't read
up to "Soldiers Live". NOTE: if you've read the nine BC
books and The Silver Spike, this won't spoil anything.

Spoilers below, pertaining to the deaths of the 10
original Taken, and the 4 or 8 Shadowmasters.





spoiler space!

spoiler space!





Okay, to keep it simple I'll put the Taken's name and
jump right into the specifics about his / her demise,
if any.

1) Soulcatcher - Still alive as of "Soldiers Live".

2) The Howler - Was believed to be killed when he
crashed into the Tower ("The Black Company" pgs
291-292), but survived that incident. Was confirmed
killed by shadows and/or Taglians in "Soldiers Live" pg
430. [See also the note below on the EIGHT
Shadowmasters.]

3) The Limper - Survived too many incidents that I can
bother to count, but was finally killed in "The Silver
Spike" by being boiled, and having the remains buried
in a place only godlike powers could apparently access.

4) Stormbringer - Thought to have been killed by
Bonegnasher in the first novel on page 270. It was a
ruse, however, and she survived to travel south to
become Stormshadow, one of the Shadowmasters.
Stormbringer was finally killed by Shapeshifter (who
had traveled south to do exactly that) after he mauled
her. She apparently was weakened by the Company Lance
(when Murgen stabbed her before the mauling with
Shifter) just like Howler was when Croaker stabbed
Howler. I think the Lance's magical wounds disabled her
and therefore helped Shifter finish her. In any case,
she died atop the tower in the citadel of Dejagore in
"Shadow Games". It was confirmed in "Dreams of Steel"
that she and Shifter were killed there and their
remains were dealt with properly. [See also the note
below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.]

5) Shapeshifter - on page 263 in the first novel, the
Captain delivers word that Shifter was lost, and that
"The cirumstances were questionable...". However
Shapeshifter actually survived, and sneaked south. He
did this because he wanted to settle with Stormbringer
(because she had a hand in killing the Hanged Man, a
person that Shifter wanted to rescue, and also
supposedly tried to murder Shifter himself, which you
can find on page 286 in "Shadow Games"). His plan
worked, and he either killed her or severely maimed her
atop the citadel tower. Both of them were finished off
because they were too weak to defend themselves.
One-Eye sewed their orifices shut and dealt with their
remains according to Lady's suggestions which she gave
on page 290 in "Shadow Games".

6) The Hanged Man - On page 227 in the first novel, we
see Harden fling his giant sword in the general
direction of the four Taken who he had incapacitated
temporarily. Next page we learn that the sword landed
through the Hanged Man's skull. He was blubbering and
dying, and although clearly Shapeshifter wanted to help
him, Soulcatcher and Stormbringer did not. So, the
Hanged Man was not helped and allowed to die. It is
very, very likely that Stormbringer dealt with the
Hanged Man's remains afterward. If not, it doesn't
matter, since a sword through the brain is enough to
kill even the greatest sorcerer. This was mentioned
before, but I apologize since I cannot remember the
exact reference. Sorcerers can be beheaded and survive,
correct? But the brain's actual destruction is
something no sorcerer can survive. That is why the
Company had Shadowspinner's head as a trophy for
awhile; it was stated that the brain was removed and
destroyed and therefore posed no danger. I say all this
just to reinforce that the Hanged Man is dead  :)

7) Bonegnasher - In the first novel, on page 270, we're
informed that this man was killed, most likely by
Stormbringer, who was herself supposed to be killed
then too. Although he is a giant man, I have no trouble
believing that Stormbringer could kill him. Maybe she
struck him with some lightning and other magics. She
could, after all, physically battle Shapeshifter
himself (in the forvalaka form, no less!) and give him
a run for his money. And since Bonegnasher is never
mentioned again, there is no reason to believe he
wasn't killed. Besides, Otto and Hagop would have
reported it, if they didn't find Bonegnasher's body
after they exhumed the other Taken's bodies.

8) Nightcrawler - This character supposedly was lost to
Rebel action on page 279, first novel. However! Otto
and Hagop could not find his body (pg 292 "Bleak
Seasons"). Which leads me to believe that Nightcrawler
was not actually killed there, and was one of the 3
people that were killed according to Uncle Doj. See the
note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters for much more on
that.

9) Moonbiter - Supposedly killed during internal feuds
(on page 279 in the first novel), Moonbiter was lost
the same day as the Faceless Man. Since we are told on
that same page that Moonbiter and the Faceless Man were
not killed by enemy action, it is logical that they
skragged each other. [Which is why I personally believe
that Moonbiter is the 3rd female Taken, since the Lady
said some female Taken were planning to help the Circle
because they were in service to the Dominator, and the
Faceless is a "Man".] But, just like Nightcrawler, Otto
and Hagop could not find her body (pg 292 "Bleak
Seasons"). See the note below on the EIGHT
Shadowmasters for much more on this.

10) The Faceless Man/Nameless One - Reportedly killed
during internal feuds on page 279 in the first novel.
Not lost to enemy action. See Moonbiter above for more.
And, just like Moonbiter and Nightcrawler, Otto and
Hagop could not find his body. [See also the note below
on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.]

That's my list of the Taken and their demises. Please
debate any details in my writing you feel you should.
But I have some more before I leave.

THE ****EIGHT**** SHADOWMASTERS.
Uncle Doj says (Water Sleeps pg. 150) that Longshadow
went with the Nyueng Bao pilgrims and their false key
to the shadowgate. Once they got there, they
encountered Shadowspinner under the name Ashutosh
Yaksha "and a half-dozen other sorcerers waiting." So,
that's 6 other people, plus Shadowspinner and
Longshadow, which of course makes eight. He then says
that "several were fugitives from [the north]". Well,
look at the known list of the four Shadowmasters:

1) Longshadow (aka Maricha Manthara Dhumraksha)
2) Shadowspinner (aka Ashutosh Yaksha)
3) Moonshadow (we know little about this guy; but
Soulcatcher saw him on the Lance and disposed of him
and recognized that he was NOT a Taken)
4) Stormshadow (aka Stormbringer; Taken fugitive)

Obviously, Moonshadow and Stormbringer/Stormshadow were
2 of the "half-dozen other sorcerers" that Doj
mentioned. But what about the other 4? Well, Doj says
that Howler was there, and was cruelly injured and
fled. Which makes perfect sense, since he made a home
with the swamp pirates after fleeing the shadowgate.

5) Howler (Taken fugitive)

Now we're left with 3 other missing people. Since Otto
and Hagop found no bodies for 3 certain Taken, it is
logical that these three AWOL sorcerers are the missing
trio.

6) Nightcrawler (Taken fugitive)
7) Moonbiter (Taken fugitive)
8) The Faceless Man (aka the Nameless One; Taken
fugitive)

There's my list of the original intended eight
Shadowmasters. I've read the majority of the newer
archives of these mailing lists and this topic wasn't
covered afaik, so I figured I share what I know. Please
tell me if you agree or not, and if you have some
evidence to refute any of my stuff.
- -Welly

PS: Mr. Herrmann I thank you for posting this to your
page. I might have to use a different email address
soon, so the current one might have to be changed (in
case anyone who reads my post on your page wants to ask
me about it, this addy won't work). When I grab a new
one would you kindly change it in the credits?

Thanks
Welly

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:59:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Taken; email filters

I finally figured out why some of the email filters were set off by my
analysis: I used the word you get when you combine the word hard and the word
core (I'm not typing it outright again since it will only set off flags once
more in those filters).

I used it as an adjective to describe fellow Black Company storyline fans who
would want to examine my breakdown and find errors.

Of course you can't blame email filters since they cannot examine the actual
context of a word's usage (afaik, anyway).

I found a few minor issues in my original post, here they are for the heck of
it:
1. When I noted that Harden tossed his sword "in the general direction of the
four Taken who he had incapacitated temporarily" it should have been "three
Taken". He had used some kind of spell which froze Catcher, Bringer, and the
Hanged Man. The fourth Taken on the scene, Shifter, wasn't frozen. I forgot
that detail while looking it over for errors.
2. I spelled "circumstances" wrong when I quoted the Captain.
3. I forgot to emphasize that Uncle Doj said 3 would-be Shadowmasters were
killed before Longshadow closed the shadowgate with the power of his name.
And that those three were logically the last three on my list of the eight
Shadowmasters.

I probably missed other errors; if you find them please let us know. I'd hate
to be spreading misinformation, however minor it is  :)

Also, this is my new email addy. Alas, the space.com email service is going
down pretty soon.
- -Welly

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