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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #202 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Friday, August 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 202 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) List of Taken and Shadowmasters > >Hello folks. I'm new to this fan mailing list, and I'd >like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten >original Taken and what we know about their respective >demises. I'll put page references whenever possible so >the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either >corroborate or disprove me. Please, you don't have to >go easy on the new guy :) > Welcome. Thanks for the excellent analysis! :-) I've often wondered what happened to the Taken who had disappeared under questionable circumstances. I haven't yet gone back to corroborate your data but it will be fun to refer to when I reread the series someday. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:08:50 -0700 From: "Kalnicholson" <domingkord@attbi.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this once but I don't think it went thru. I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in the regiment. John Wayne of course is a colonel leading the troops. After the main battle was over, Holden decides to stay with the injured troops, and as the men part, John Wayne says good bye and called him Croaker. It was something like, "Good luck, Croaker". I can't remember exactly what was said, the Croaker reference got my attention. I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. The Movie is called, The Horse Soldiers. Here's a little info about the movie via Barnes and Noble Books link. http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=27616861054 - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 6.0.4630.0"> <TITLE>Croaker Reference</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY>  I sent this once but I don't think it went thru… I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne = movie. It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to = make a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon = in the regiment. John Wayne of course is a colonel leading the troops. After the = main battle was over, Holden decides to stay with the injured troops, = and as the men part, John Wayne says good bye and called him Croaker. It = was something like, “Good luck, Croaker”. I can’t = remember exactly what was said, the Croaker reference got my attention. = I've been in the military and even in my everyday = life: this is only the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a = doctor. The Movie is called, The Horse Soldiers. Here’s a little info about the movie via Barnes and Noble = Books link. <A = HREF=3D"http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=3D27616861= 054">http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=3D27616861054= </A> </BODY> </HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:32:21 -0300 From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference > Kalnicholson wrote: > > I sent this once but I don't think it went thruà > > I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. > > > > It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make > a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in > the regiment. > > I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only > the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. > I could be wrong here, but it's my impression that Croaker was a common nickname for medical officers during the US Civil War - something to do with the level of medical science being such that most injuried were taken to the doctor's tent to die. 1) It was before germ theory (let alone antibiotics) so infection was widespread and deadly. 2) The reputation of a surgeon was usually based on how fast he proform an amputation. 3) While the amputation was happening a lucky soldier was given a few drinks, while an unlucky one was stone cold sober as his arm or leg was sawed off. 4) Internal medicine was virtually unknown. 5) Blood tranfusions were rarely attempted, and since no one knew anything about blood types they were often fatal. The net result of all this was the doctors didn't have the skills to save most of the injuried that were brought to them and (in the view of the average soldier) their treatments were more likely to kill than to cure. Then the state of medical science improved. Surgeons actually started to wash their hands between surgeries, they could knock you out and give you replacement blood during an operation, X-rays came along, then antibiotics, MASHs started showing up on battlefields - and doctors stopped being called croakers. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:20:16 -0600 From: "Amy Weathers" <raistlin@zianet.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference http://www.railroadextra.com/glossry1.Html "CROAKER-Company doctor" Ok, so I was very bored waiting for my Maid of Honor to show up to go shopping. I found several other references to croaker being a nick name for civil war era doctors. Its amazing what ya can find with google and 30 minutes of free time. Amy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chilton" <rchilton@auracom.com> To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference > > Kalnicholson wrote: > > > > I sent this once but I don't think it went thru. > > > > I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. > > > > > > > > It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make > > a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in > > the regiment. > > > > > I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only > > the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. > > > > I could be wrong here, but it's my impression that Croaker was a common > nickname for medical officers during the US Civil War - something to do > with the level of medical science being such that most injuried were > taken to the doctor's tent to die. > 1) It was before germ theory (let alone antibiotics) so infection was > widespread and deadly. > 2) The reputation of a surgeon was usually based on how fast he proform > an amputation. > 3) While the amputation was happening a lucky soldier was given a few > drinks, while an unlucky one was stone cold sober as his arm or leg was > sawed off. > 4) Internal medicine was virtually unknown. > 5) Blood tranfusions were rarely attempted, and since no one knew > anything about blood types they were often fatal. > > The net result of all this was the doctors didn't have the skills to > save most of the injuried that were brought to them and (in the view of > the average soldier) their treatments were more likely to kill than to > cure. > > Then the state of medical science improved. Surgeons actually started > to wash their hands between surgeries, they could knock you out and give > you replacement blood during an operation, X-rays came along, then > antibiotics, MASHs started showing up on battlefields - and doctors > stopped being called croakers. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:08:39 -0300 From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference Amy Weathers wrote: > > http://www.railroadextra.com/glossry1.Html > > "CROAKER-Company doctor" > Just a guess, but it sounds like railroad doctors were the bottom of the barrel if they were called croaker after the stopped being used on army doctors. > Ok, so I was very bored waiting for my Maid of Honor to show up to go > shopping. I found several other references to croaker being a nick name for > civil war era doctors. Its amazing what ya can find with google and 30 > minutes of free time. > Congratulations on the upcoming event. Hope it brings you true happyness. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:03:09 -0500 From: Mike Waligorski <mwally@wi.rr.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books. While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I ran acoss the following website. Of course I had to run a search for Cook. There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works. In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few ridiculous prices also. Anyways just thought I'd pass this information on. Mike http://www.crecybooks.com/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #202 *********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.