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glencook-fans-digest      Thursday, July 4 2002      Volume 01 : Number 192




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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:41:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #191

Donaldson's Gap series was quite good, but not better than his Covenant
series.  But then I'm just an AOL user.

S. Klobas


In a message dated 06/04/2002 10:11:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< 'll take Brust as an authority and skip an obviously flame-ridden
 thread full of AOL users :-)

 Brust is right up there with Cook for me. I dread the day when I am
 faced with a new book by each, and only enough money for one. Even if I
 could get both, there's still the question of which to read first. Then
 there was that pleasant day when I found the 5th book of the Gap series
 by Donaldson (excellent series, far superior to his earlier works) which
 ends a series, and "Bleak Seasons" which I had expected to end a series,
 but instead started  a whole new phase. I got both and read "Bleak
 Seasons" first.
  >>

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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:13:22 -0700
From: Joe Murphy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #191

[e-mail] wrote:

> Donaldson's Gap series was quite good, but not better than his Covenant
> series.  But then I'm just an AOL user.
>
> S. Klobas
>

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 That D name is not good enough to be used on this list. Especially in
connection with the C series. I read all of 2 pages in book 1. I refused to
finish it because I hated it that intensely. No where NEAR Glens stuff, even
Angry lead skies.

 As far as Angry goes, ok, almost everyone was disappointed. Nevermind
almost, seems like all.  I really hope the next book gets a little more
involved than the party at Chodos. As a plot line it seems fairly weak.
 I hope he works on the next mercenary trilogy before going back to Garrett
 Degenret01


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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:14:33 -0700
From: Sam Roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #191

I think Cook is much better at making the reader like "unlikable"
characters.  The chief reason I didn't like the Covenant series is that I
couldn't stand Covenant himself.  I thought the world was interesting and I
liked many of the other characters but I loathed the protagonist so much I
couldn't get past it.  And look at the Black Company guys, I mean they're
pretty much all a bunch of murdering bastard to one degree or another, but
Cook manages to make them likable, flaws and all.  That's a fantastic
achievement.

Sam I Am

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[e-mail] wrote:

> Donaldson's Gap series was quite good, but not better than his
> Covenant series.  But then I'm just an AOL user.
>
> S. Klobas
>

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 That D name is not good enough to be used on this list. Especially in
connection with the C series. I read all of 2 pages in book 1. I refused to
finish it because I hated it that intensely. No where NEAR Glens stuff, even
Angry lead skies.

 As far as Angry goes, ok, almost everyone was disappointed. Nevermind
almost, seems like all.  I really hope the next book gets a little more
involved than the party at Chodos. As a plot line it seems fairly weak.  I
hope he works on the next mercenary trilogy before going back to Garrett
Degenret01


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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:20:01 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #191

I liked Angry :-) It was, well, different.

I also liked the C series. The main character didn't quite turn me off
to the series, there's this technique called 'skipping pages'. The Gap
series is very sharp. He doesn't ramble like he did in the Mirrors books
(good, but wanted to be less wordy) and does a very good job on his
first science fiction outing. Hhis travel times are wrong, but he got
some stuff right other writers ignore - like spinning ships for gravity.
The female lead goes through seven kinds of hell, including one or two
made up for the books and the main male characters are usually slime,
but one or two of them redeem themselves (a bit) and everyone meets a
suitable ending. It is important to note that the style changes a lot
between the first book and the rest of the books.

He still isn't Cook, but with the Gap series D is now close enough for
reasonable comparison. I do agree that the C series can stay off this
list. Some people just need editing more than others.

Joe Murphy wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
>
>>Donaldson's Gap series was quite good, but not better than his Covenant
>>series.  But then I'm just an AOL user.
>>
>>S. Klobas
>>
>>
>>
>
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> That D name is not good enough to be used on this list. Especially in
>connection with the C series. I read all of 2 pages in book 1. I refused to
>finish it because I hated it that intensely. No where NEAR Glens stuff, even
>Angry lead skies.
>
> As far as Angry goes, ok, almost everyone was disappointed. Nevermind
>almost, seems like all.  I really hope the next book gets a little more
>involved than the party at Chodos. As a plot line it seems fairly weak.
> I hope he works on the next mercenary trilogy before going back to Garrett
> Degenret01
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:27:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Donaldson

>
>He still isn't Cook, but with the Gap series D is now close enough for
>reasonable comparison. I do agree that the C series can stay off this
>list. Some people just need editing more than others.
>

    I have to disagree.  The Covenant series has superb writing
with amazing use of simile and metaphor.  Pick virtually any page from
the series you will find interesting comparisons and original descriptions.
The Gap series (which I like) is lacking in those respects -- it is more
tell rather than show.  The "Mirror of Her Dreams" series is in between.
Glen Cook also uses excellent simile and metaphor despite his extremely
concise style.
    I would agree that the Donaldson has a roundabout approach as
compared to Cook's, but the writing is beautiful.

                Steve


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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:00:49 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Donaldson

It''s the concise writing ;-)

When tellign people about Cook, I describe the first chapter of Black
Company: puts down a rebellion, plots to betray their employer, hunts
the forvalka, and enters the service of a dark sorcerer from across the
sea. Then I ask them if they want to know what happened in chapter two.
A lot happens in few words and I really appreciate that.

Steve Chew wrote:

>    I have to disagree.  The Covenant series has superb writing
>with amazing use of simile and metaphor.  Pick virtually any page from
>the series you will find interesting comparisons and original descriptions.
>The Gap series (which I like) is lacking in those respects -- it is more
>tell rather than show.  The "Mirror of Her Dreams" series is in between.
>Glen Cook also uses excellent simile and metaphor despite his extremely
>concise style.
>    I would agree that the Donaldson has a roundabout approach as
>compared to Cook's, but the writing is beautiful.
>
>
>



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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:26:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Donaldson

i personally think that the covenant series was one of my all time favorite
series, they made me think about life and how we will and can live it. how
someone can always see the worst in things when there is so much beauty all
around and how we can do good in the face of so much misfortune.
they were a rare find for me and gave me much pleasure and also tears and the
desire to strive to do better.
far superiour to any of glens books

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Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:17:33 -0400
From: "Michael Higgins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) new member

I'm a long time SF reader and I started reading Cook with the Dread
Empire series. I became a staunch follower of the Black Company from
the first book I stumbled over. I can even take credit for turning my
son on to the books, making him a fervent follower of the Black
Company himself. We've actually had arguments over who was the better
Captain, which is out-and-out hilarious. I like the Garrett books as
well, being enough of a fan of the original genre to appreciate the
humorous twist he's put on the hard-boiled dick.

I was also interested in the comments regarding POD in the archives.
I've just gone through a lengthy process with 1st Books library in
self-publishing an SF/thriller hybrid and its not something to enter
into without a lot of resolve and not a few bucks.

One of the positive aspects of the 1st Books agreement (I don't know
what other POD companies do in this regard) is that the author retains
all of the rights to the work (which might mean something in the
unlikely event that the book succeeds...1st Books claims to have put
over 8000 books into print...if so, I weep for the trees that went to
paper for most of them)

But I digress. Someone like Glen Cook could indeed keep all of his
works in print forever, having them available to fans and dabblers
alike for as long as electrons spin. I know that I watch the SFBC
notice religiously in hopes that they will reissue the Dread Empire
books. If they were available online, or in the hardcover and/or
softcover versions available from 1st Books and similar companies, I
would buy them regardless of the undoubtedly higher unit price. I
bought the Cordwainer Smith compilation, and the Lovecraft book, as
well as the E.E.Smith Lensman books even if they did cost more than
they would have in B&N. I guess I just love books >:^)

More accurately, I love some books written by certain writers. Smith,
Lovecraft, Zelazny, Spillane (like, that isn't fantasy he was writing?)
Guy Gavriel Kay, George R. Martin and Glen Cook and a few others, I
would buy if they were laundry lists. Oh, yeah, and that Stephen King
guy, if that really is a human being and not some book-writing
computer.

So much for my self-introduction to the list. I hope I haven't bored
anyone but please don't complain too much. At least I spared you the
autobiography.

In regard to the POD thing, though. Has anyone else on this list ever
done something like that?

Mike Higgins
NYC
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