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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:51:33 -0600
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowgate? (SPOILER)

Tinixx,

"the gate appears to be dimensional, not transportational.  It's
specifically stated that Overlook is visible to the Black Company from
*inside* the gate.  Thus, the Company seemingly does travel
geographically south, but not in the "real" world, so to speak."

Yes, that is in accord with the book, as I read it.

"This leads me to suspect the geography is there in the real world"

Perhaps.  I suppose the operant question is this:  If you circled around
the Gate and tried to come at the same piece of real estate from a
different angle, and if you could actually find a passable piece of land
that allowed you to do so, would you come upon the same Glittering Plain
as you would coming through the Gate?

I don't know the answer to that; I don't think Glen addresses it.  I
think it doesn't particularly matters to anything that happens.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:25:01 -0500
From: "Trinixx of Westmarch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowgate? (SPOILER)

Brooke A. Wheeler wrote:
>They DID that, IIRC. One of the two wizards (can't remember whether
>it was One-Eye or Goblin) took an expedition south by boat along the
>coast and it was all uninhabited desert as far as they could tell,
>after they got south of the "Shadow Plateau".

The wizard in question was Goblin. Consult the following map:

http://www.cofc.edu/~wraggj/blackco/south.jpg

It was my impression he headed northwest from Dejagore, and traversed
the land from the northwestern delta at Taglios (as did Sleepy) due south
paralleling the coastline, (note the desert) and then swept east
paralleling the mountains toward the pass to link up with the Company --
he didn't go far into the southern plain at all.

BTW OT: Lord of the Rings didn't disappoint.

Just MHO.
Take it easy all...
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:09:00 +0000
From: Troy Lefman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowgate? (SPOILER)

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Because the original companies came "north" from the gate, Khatovar is
"south" of the gate, as well as the world that originated the Nyueng Bao.
(I don't recall this name.  It's been about a year since I read any Black
Company books.)

Trinixx of Westmarch wrote:

> Steve Chew wrote:
> >As far as I can remember, Cook doesn't discuss what is outside the
> >land of the gate, other than the immediate surroundings and the road
> >leading directly to the gate.  Unless that land encompasses the entire
> >south pole there must be a way around it to continue further south.
>
> Here's the strange part: in _She is the Darkness_ the gate appears to
> be dimensional, not transportational.  It's specifically stated that
> Overlook is visible to the Black Company from *inside* the gate.  Thus,
> the Company seemingly does travel geographically south, but not in
> the "real" world, so to speak.  This leads me to suspect the geography
> is there in the real world, unless that hypothesis is invalidated in
> the later books.
>
> Could the gate have been temporal?  (Feel free to tell me to shut up if
> this isn't addressed in _Water Sleeps/Soldiers Live_ -- doesn't seem to
> be, as I assume you're all up to date on your reading.)
>
> Just MHO.
> Take it easy all...
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>         Trinixx of Westmarch,
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> excel at your studies, then take office.'"
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:11:51 -0500
From: "Trinixx of Westmarch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowgate? (SPOILER)

Troy Lefman wrote:
>Because the original companies came "north" from the gate, Khatovar is
>"south" of the gate, as well as the world that originated the Nyueng
>Bao. (I don't recall this name.  It's been about a year since I read
>any Black Company books.)

Right, it's one of the companies of the "free cities of the south,"
(moreover, "the _last_ of the free companies") which means you're right
that they come from wherever said cities lie (or were once situated)
somewhere "south" of Taglios.  However the company's homeland is never
once discussed using the gate as a geographical marker, (since it only
appears at the end of _She is the Darkness_) so what exactly
constitutes "south" and from what relative point is ambiguous.

Not to harp on this repeatedly, but it is safe to say that the
geography south of Overlook is not ocean.


Just MHO.
Take it easy all,
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"The Master said, "When someone doesn't say: 'What do I do about this?
What do I do about that?'" I have no idea what to do about him."
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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:57:19 +0300
From: "APZK" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Dreams of steel & Bleak seasons

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