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glencook-fans-digest      Sunday, January 6 2002      Volume 01 : Number 151




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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:39:43 -0800 (PST)
From: scott havner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dreams of steel & Bleak seasons

- --- APZK <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I haven't read english versions of "Dreams of steel"
> and "Bleak seasons". But in russian translations of
> them I've found some difference between Lady's point
> of view and Murgen's point of view - when Croaker
> meet again Company and Murgen returned banner - in
> Lady's interpretation, Croaker looked merry and
> benevolent; in Murgen's interpretation, Croaker rude
> and angry. Is it a true difference, or it is a
> difference of two different translators?
>
This is an example of why the Black Company novels are
so popular.  Ask any two soldiers who were in the same
battle what happened and you're guaranteed to get very
different accounts, even if the two soldiers were side
by side.  Also one has to take into account that Lady
is in love with Croaker very likely a girlish "puppy"
love as he is her first, she is going to have happier
thoughts of him.  Also they are sexually involved, I
know I'm a lot more cheerful around my wife than the
soldiers I work with(yes I'm military).  Also Murgen
is a senior enlisted man, Croaker is the top officer,
from Murgen's point of view(as with any enlisted man
talking about his senior officers) Croaker is the "Old
Man" and this will come through in his descriptions of him.

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:46:06 -0500
From: Aphion S Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) From the Files of Garrett P.I.

I am interested in the Garrett series (read and reread all of the series
repeatedly).  Has anyone heard if there are plans for a new book addition
for this series in the future?

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Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:41:52 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dreams of steel & Bleak seasons SPOILERS

Note - the original post didn't have spoilers - the reply does.

> APZK wrote:
>
> I haven't read english versions of "Dreams of steel" and "Bleak
> seasons". But in russian translations of them I've found some
> difference between Lady's point of view and Murgen's point of view -
> when Croaker meet again Company and Murgen returned banner - in Lady's
> interpretation, Croaker looked merry and benevolent; in Murgen's
> interpretation, Croaker rude and angry. Is it a true difference, or it
> is a difference of two different translators?


I believe the difference is real - and that Lady writes what she wants
history to remember.  There's one scene where Lady says (this is
paraphased - I don't have the books handy for an exact quote) 'then
those guys volunteered to go back to the besieged city' where Murgen's
point of view was 'then Lady put a spell on those guys and made them go
back to that hellhole of a besieged city'.

Lady sees Croaker one way - to her he has never been her superior and
she has spent centuries around some very nasty dark guys - and to her
Croaker looks like a nice guy.  Plus, she's his lover so she sees a very
private side of him.
Murgen is under Croaker's command, and Croaker plays his cards close to
his chest.  Croaker gives orders and sometimes the plan comes together
and the order makes sense but othertimes the plan falls through and
Croaker doesn't bother explaining what he was trying to do.  Murgen is a
brother of the Black Company, but Croaker knows how brothers dies and
tries not to get too close to him (hence the name of the last book).
Remember the scene in the first book just before they went to Rose to
get Raker?  Members of the company were returning from a mission and
everyone had to play the 'I don't really care' game as they wondered
which friends might be hurt or dead.  Croaker (as the doctor and writer)
didn't have to play as much - as doctor he was expected to ask about the
wounded and as writer he was expect to record how every man fell - but
even though he could ask he couldn't really show he cared.
I don't think open emotions could play a role in the Black Company.  One
of the few times any of them show emotions is during the first book when
Croaker's oldest friend was surprised to see Croaker being visibly upset
about the dead babies they found in Darling's village.

To Lady Croaker is an interesting little person and later a lover.
To Murgen Croaker is a commanding officer who knows he might have to
send Murgen off on a mission to die.
Same person - two very different sides.

Richard

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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:37:07 -0600
From: "Lawrence Jenab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Off topic

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Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London?  Somebody on =
the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while back, =
and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the file I =
made to remind myself.  Sorry for the offtopic post!

Thanks,
Larry


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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:07:55 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off topic

> Lawrence Jenab wrote:
>
> Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London?  Somebody
> on the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while
> back, and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the
> file I made to remind myself.  Sorry for the offtopic post!
>

Anno Dracula?  I think that's the title - the setting has Dracula
marries Queen Vic after Albert dies.  Most of the folks from the novel
Dracula are in it as well as some from the Holmes stories and a few
other victorian stories.
If memory serves the main plot centered around Jack Steward hunting for
a Jack the Ripper type that kills vampires.

Richard

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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:08:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off topic

- --- Richard Chilton <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Lawrence Jenab wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London?  Somebody
> > on the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while
> > back, and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the
> > file I made to remind myself.  Sorry for the offtopic post!
> >
>
> Anno Dracula?  I think that's the title - the setting has Dracula
> marries Queen Vic after Albert dies.  Most of the folks from the novel
> Dracula are in it as well as some from the Holmes stories and a few
> other victorian stories.
> If memory serves the main plot centered around Jack Steward hunting for
> a Jack the Ripper type that kills vampires.

Anno Dracula, by Kim Newman, is likely that book. (Newman also wrote some
Warhammer fantasy novels as Jack Yeovil).  It's a stand-alone book with two
sequels (Bloody Red Baron is book 2; I'm uncertain about book 3's
titleJudgement of tears is book 3).



Craig.

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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:13:12 -0600
From: mokie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) From the Files of Garrett P.I.

Aphion S Moore wrote:
>
> I am interested in the Garrett series (read and reread all of the series
> repeatedly).  Has anyone heard if there are plans for a new book addition
> for this series in the future?

"Angry Lead Skies" has been mentioned on the list here as the next book,
with one more on the way. From October's archives:

"Besides the Garrett book coming out spring of 2002 ("Angry Lead
Skies"),
he expects one more--the last." (Steve Harris)

I'm a bit disappointed myself, Garrett being my first introduction to
Cook's writing and a favorite still. Still, best to know when to go, I
suppose.

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