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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:33:05 -0400
From: Pardoz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone

> What is your favorite single book story written by Glen?

        Standalone novel, _The Dragon Never Sleeps_ (not that there's a
whole lot to choose from...), closely followed by _Sung in Blood_, which
I have a perverse fondness for.  Single non-standalone novel, a tossup
between _All Darkness Met_ and _Shadowline_ (although _Shadowline
*almost* stands alone), closely followed by _Old Tin Sorrows_.

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:23:25 -0700
From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone

Tim McDowell wrote:

>
> > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already
> > gone around:
> >
> > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series?
> >
>     My first thought was it must be either 'Catcher or Howler. Because these
> are the characters we have contact with.
>     But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in
> the ground, in his barrow.
>     [drum roll please.] Your friend and mine .... The Dominator!
>
>         Tim McDowell

Are yea all nuts? The award should to the Lady. She's about the
coldest B***h I've ever read about. How many did she slaughter?
Not only in the north, but also in the South? She "Took" how many
wizards to help her? Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create
plots and run a empire so full of plots, counter plots and death?

Everyone else are Pikers compared to her.

Pat


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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:54:29 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character

> Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already
> gone around:
>
I believe it has once or twice. :)

> Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series?
>
Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I
realize most people have just read BC.)

It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil.

>> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the
>> ground, in his barrow.
>>
Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need
to be.

> She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about.
>
Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that
unemotional. I think she just hid it very well.

I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn
w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik.

> How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South?
>
Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director.

> She "Took" how many wizards to help her?
>
Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee.

> Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a empire
> so full of plots, counter plots and death?
>
The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an
empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik.

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But, Most Evil of all has to be Australia. <G>

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 05:27:28 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character

I don't think of the director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt yea,
he has the body count.
 The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in thatseries I think, they did shit for the
evil fun of it.
 W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species.
 MOuse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him .
 Crask and Sadler, they were evil.

Eric Herrmann wrote:

> > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already
> > gone around:
> >
> I believe it has once or twice. :)
>
> > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series?
> >
> Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I
> realize most people have just read BC.)
>
> It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil.
>
> >> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the
> >> ground, in his barrow.
> >>
> Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need
> to be.
>
> > She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about.
> >
> Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that
> unemotional. I think she just hid it very well.
>
> I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn
> w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik.
>
> > How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South?
> >
> Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director.
>
> > She "Took" how many wizards to help her?
> >
> Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee.
>
> > Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a empire
> > so full of plots, counter plots and death?
> >
> The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an
> empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik.
>
> <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning>
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> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
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> But, Most Evil of all has to be Australia. <G>
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 17:49:48 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character

on 9/2/01 6:27 AM, Bagel at [e-mail] wrote:

I wasn't labeling any character evil. I was exploring the rational that some
people gave for why certain characters were considered evil. What are an
evil characters attributes?

Are we more likely to be sympathetic to the "evil" actions of a character
because we are familiar with the character? Because we understand their
background and motive?

I think that it is interesting how the characters we know the least seemed
to float to the top as the most evil: Kina, Dominator, Limper, the thing
under the tree.

> I don't think of the Director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt
> yea, he has the body count.

We don't know his motives and the end result he was working toward. I think
if Glen gets to write the final 7 books of the Dread Empire maybe we would
know. So it's hard to say whether all the wars and societal upheaval he
caused were for good.

> The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in that series I think, they did shit for
> the evil fun of it.

Yes, they were very ruthless in obtaining power.

> W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species.

Are you serious? Killing another species is okay as long as they are lesser?
What if they are a higher species?

Or are we forgiving his actions because Glen has shown us why he feels very
angry toward humans? How long does revenge stay good?

> Mouse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him.

Mouse seemed fairly normal except when it came to Sangaree. But I guess he
saw them as a lesser species so it was allright.

> Crask and Sadler, they were evil.

Any more evil than, say, Morley? They all take money for killing people.

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:32:21 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character

 You got me man, it all depends on where your sitting. Hmmm, the very point Glen
stresses in BC.
 I heard that the next Dread Empire was written but never published.
 This is going to sound stupid to any one who knows better, but is there any way if
enough people wanted it that it COULD get published? Like a preorder or something ?
I have been waiting for 8 years to find out what happens in Kavelin, and when I
first heard about no more books I freaked out for 3 days. Really.
 I'm still upset and I found out a year ago.

Eric Herrmann wrote:

> on 9/2/01 6:27 AM, Bagel at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I wasn't labeling any character evil. I was exploring the rational that some
> people gave for why certain characters were considered evil. What are an
> evil characters attributes?
>
> Are we more likely to be sympathetic to the "evil" actions of a character
> because we are familiar with the character? Because we understand their
> background and motive?
>
> I think that it is interesting how the characters we know the least seemed
> to float to the top as the most evil: Kina, Dominator, Limper, the thing
> under the tree.
>
> > I don't think of the Director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt
> > yea, he has the body count.
>
> We don't know his motives and the end result he was working toward. I think
> if Glen gets to write the final 7 books of the Dread Empire maybe we would
> know. So it's hard to say whether all the wars and societal upheaval he
> caused were for good.
>
> > The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in that series I think, they did shit for
> > the evil fun of it.
>
> Yes, they were very ruthless in obtaining power.
>
> > W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species.
>
> Are you serious? Killing another species is okay as long as they are lesser?
> What if they are a higher species?
>
> Or are we forgiving his actions because Glen has shown us why he feels very
> angry toward humans? How long does revenge stay good?
>
> > Mouse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him.
>
> Mouse seemed fairly normal except when it came to Sangaree. But I guess he
> saw them as a lesser species so it was allright.
>
> > Crask and Sadler, they were evil.
>
> Any more evil than, say, Morley? They all take money for killing people.
>
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> <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character

- --- Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already
> > gone around:
> >
> I believe it has once or twice. :)
>
> > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series?
> >
> Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I
> realize most people have just read BC.)
>
> It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil.
>
> >> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the
> >> ground, in his barrow.
> >>
> Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need
> to be.
>
> > She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about.
> >
> Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that
> unemotional. I think she just hid it very well.
>
> I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn
> w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik.

Ah, Lupo.  Wouldn't call him evil, though.

Though I'd also consider Raven... a guy who encapsulated all his "good guy"
feelings into protecting Darling, which left him 'morally free' to sell living
people to the Black Castle, amongst other sins.  Evil is about quality as much
or more than quantity, after all.


>
> > How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South?
> >
> Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director.
>
> > She "Took" how many wizards to help her?
> >
> Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee.
>
> > Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a
> empire
> > so full of plots, counter plots and death?
> >
> The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an
> empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik.

Yep.  The Old Meddler much better...


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