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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:44:40 +0000
From: Troy Lefman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)

Not to go off on tangents but the paperback of Soldiers Live is available
for us cheap bastards.

Chuck red_snot wrote:

> I know it has been a while since the book came out, but I just got
> through reading it (having been distracted by life and its
> adventures).
>
> I must say that without a doubt, that was the finest BC book I have
> read.  I thought that the level of emotion at the end was new and
> completely justified considering the circumstances.  It was truly a
> masterpiece.
>
> And I know this may sound crazy to some of you (perhaps all of you),
> but I would hope that Cook ends the annals forever (though I suppose
> Cook left enough interesting "maybes" to write more).  You couldn't
> possibly top the stories of the original BC, and the way the
> glittering plane saga ended brought good closer.
>
> It is like other great books or even movies you saw that you on the
> one hand wish there was a sequel, but you knew that the author or
> director nailed the story so beautifully that to make a sequel would
> only mock the original.
>
> If there are more BC books (and I know there was some discussion of
> this on the list, but as I've said I have been occupied elsewhere), I
> will read them.  Perhaps Cook can recapture this magic.  If he does
> write more BC, I certainly hope he does.
>
> I'd rather be drunk
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:06:55 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names

Thanks for speculating Eric.
I just had an idea. Since Glenn draws so heavily from obscure Indian
mythology perhaps there is somebody out there who can translate some of
names from farsi. I mean Kina is a real member of that polytheistic deity
ridden culture. The aspects of castes and the levels of societal cultures
plays such a huge role in the books of the south that ther'es got to be
somebody out there who knows alot about this and can add to this discussion.
spoilers..
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.


.

.

Key points....
From the Garrett files. Where did he get the idea for the kef-sidhe
strangler cords with the conical pieces of cork woven into them so they
won't let go of the victims neck. And how about the strangler cults, aka
Decievers? That's got to have roots in some farsi culture.... Anybody out
there who can add to that?
Thanks, Joe
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names


> on 5/10/01 11:48 AM, Richard Chilton at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > There's underlining reason for the names in the Black Company books - or
> > at least there's a statement by Cook to that affect.
> > In his Dread Empire series the names were... interesting.  You really
> > wanted a pronunciation guide for that series, and someone (a reviewer?)
> > mentioned something to Cook about his choice of names.  So in the Black
> > Company we have some very simple (at least simple in English) names.
> > Croaker.
> > Elmo
> > Mercy
> > Raven
> > Even the sorcerers had simple names as opposed to mystic sounding ones.
> > You have Soulcatcher, not something like Hyenertill'Deren (which gets
> > explained as being the (forget the name of the language only the Taken
> > still spoke) term for Catcher of Souls).
>
> The Black Company books are somewhat unique in that characters do not have
> "native" names. They, for the most part, have common noun names or titles.
>
> It seems that they have mostly been translated to common nouns and titles.
>
> So I guess it isn't that surprising that Elmo is Elmo in all the books,
> except in the Czech Republic.
>
> But I find it surprising that Goblin wasn't. Or that is how it appears to
> me. I'm sure every culture has some goblin-like creature as part of their
> literary tradition. I don't understand why his name wasn't translated to
the
> name of that creature.
>
> Again the Czech edition is different in that it translates Goblin to
Skret.
> Anyone know what a Skret is?
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:23:04 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names

Joseph McGrath wrote:
>
> Thanks for speculating Eric.
> I just had an idea. Since Glenn draws so heavily from obscure Indian
> mythology perhaps there is somebody out there who can translate some of
> names from farsi. I mean Kina is a real member of that polytheistic deity
> ridden culture. The aspects of castes and the levels of societal cultures
> plays such a huge role in the books of the south that ther'es got to be
> somebody out there who knows alot about this and can add to this discussion.
> spoilers..
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> .
>
> .
>
> Key points....
> >From the Garrett files. Where did he get the idea for the kef-sidhe
> strangler cords with the conical pieces of cork woven into them so they
> won't let go of the victims neck. And how about the strangler cults, aka
> Decievers? That's got to have roots in some farsi culture.... Anybody out
> there who can add to that?
> Thanks, Joe

I always thought the strangler cults were drawn from the Thugges (might
be spelling that wrong) cult - an East Indian (i.e. from India, not
North America) group that existed in India for quite a long time.  They
worshiped the goddess Kali and their practices were a lot like those of
Cook's cult - specially as it is first explained to the Lady in Dreams
of Steel.  Existing as a Hindu offshoot for centuries it was only whiped
out by a long British campaign.  Rumours exist that they might still be
around, and that was more or less the plot of Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom movie.

The cork thing - I think that might have come from the the Thugges.  If
not, I'm sure I've heard of it before somewhere - maybe linked to the
Assassins (i.e. the group whose name gives us the english words for
assassin and hashish)?

Richard

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:40:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) daughter of the night

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I have a question about the daughter of the night, i remember that at
shwadowgate she was put in a cage that had a magic spell on it, if she tried
to escape she would be choked and if she tried to destroy the cage the same
would happen to her. she was then taken by soulcatcher to taglios and then
subsecquently escaped from soulcatcher, no mention of the cage is given or
how she was able to get away from it.
any clues or ideas?
by the way i am scott, i live in las vegas and am ne wto the group

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<BR>to escape she would be choked and if she tried to destroy the cage the same
<BR>would happen to her. she was then taken by soulcatcher to taglios and then
<BR>subsecquently escaped from soulcatcher, no mention of the cage is given or
<BR>how she was able to get away from it.
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<BR>by the way i am scott, i live in las vegas and am ne wto the group</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:48:52 -0500
From: David George <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) names

Ummm.  I think "Farsi" is the language spoken by Persians.
 If I'm right about that, then their society is pretty
monotheistic (No God But Allah) right at the moment.  I
believe that is also where Zoroastrianism started, another
monotheistic form of worship, if I recall, prepared to be
pretty mistaken about that though as it is a long reach
back into stuff I haven't read about in a while.  If I am
right, the Persians will probably take offense at being
associated with the stranglers, though.  Most of what was
Persia and the Persians is in the country we now call Iran.
 At the height of things, their empire also included
Turkey, the fertile crescent, etc.  Then this Alexander guy
whipped their behinds pretty badly and took pretty much all
their real estate.

If you are talking about the Indian subcontinent, then
there are lots of languages and cultures: Hindi, Bengali,
Kashmiri, etc.  Kina seems to me to be based on the goddess
Kali, from Hindu religion (which is one of several
religions on the subcontinent, but it is the dominant one).
 The strangler cult seems to be based on the Thuggee cults,
which used strangling and murder as a way of worshipping
Kali.  This cult was active during the British Raj, which
worked pretty hard to put it down.  Thus the term "thug"
which now is generalized in American English as a synonym
for "criminal" but has its roots in this religion.  From
what I've read about the thuggee, there were degrees and
roles, similar to the ones that Kina's stranglers have--arm
holders, etc.  If I recall correctly, the thuggee were also
infamous for their skill at disposing of bodies once they
had killed someone--this involved breaking the bones with
hammers (ringing any bells here?) so that bodies could be
stowed in smaller spaces.  I think they tended to avoid
bloodshedding as well.  I've read that murdering someone in
a faith that believes in reincarnation is not necessarily
as bad a thing as one that does not, from a moral
perspective.  I doubt their victims felt that way, though.

According to Song of Kali, by Dan Simmons, the city now
called Calcutta derives its name from Kali
worship--Kalikata was an earlier version of the name.  But
that book is fiction and so this etymology may be too.
 Calcutta is in Northeast India in Bengal.

I have not come across the pieces of cork thing before I
read it in a Garrett book but it is a wicked idea.  Would
not surprise me to find that thugs used the practice, can't
confirm it tho.

By contrast, the Hashishim/Assassins are Islamic in origin.
 If we are to believe what I've read elsewhere, they used
daggers with flame-shaped handles.  They smoked hash.  They
are also sometimes associated with the Ishmaelian sect of
Islam (who are no longer assassins) which is headed by the
Aga Khan.  I think they maybe did hang out in Persia.
 Again, I'm reaching here.  As I understand it, they were a
little more political than the Thuggee in their aims but
 religion was part of it.

DG

- -----Original Message-----
From:    Joseph McGrath
Sent:    Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:07 AM
To:    [e-mail]
Cc:    [e-mail]
Subject:    Re: (glencook-fans) names

Thanks for speculating Eric.
I just had an idea. Since Glenn draws so heavily from
obscure Indian
mythology perhaps there is somebody out there who can
translate some of
names from farsi. I mean Kina is a real member of that
polytheistic deity
ridden culture. The aspects of castes and the levels of
societal cultures
plays such a huge role in the books of the south that
ther'es got to be
somebody out there who knows alot about this and can add to
this discussion.
spoilers..
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.


.

.

Key points....
From the Garrett files. Where did he get the idea for the
kef-sidhe
strangler cords with the conical pieces of cork woven into
them so they
won't let go of the victims neck. And how about the
strangler cults, aka
Decievers? That's got to have roots in some farsi
culture.... Anybody out
there who can add to that?
Thanks, Joe
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names


> on 5/10/01 11:48 AM, Richard Chilton at
[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > There's underlining reason for the names in the Black
Company books - or
> > at least there's a statement by Cook to that affect.
> > In his Dread Empire series the names were...
interesting.  You really
> > wanted a pronunciation guide for that series, and
someone (a reviewer?)
> > mentioned something to Cook about his choice of names.
 So in the Black
> > Company we have some very simple (at least simple in
English) names.
> > Croaker.
> > Elmo
> > Mercy
> > Raven
> > Even the sorcerers had simple names as opposed to
mystic sounding ones.
> > You have Soulcatcher, not something like Hyenertill'
Deren (which gets
> > explained as being the (forget the name of the language
only the Taken
> > still spoke) term for Catcher of Souls).
>
> The Black Company books are somewhat unique in that
characters do not have
> "native" names. They, for the most part, have common noun
names or titles.
>
> It seems that they have mostly been translated to common
nouns and titles.
>
> So I guess it isn't that surprising that Elmo is Elmo in
all the books,
> except in the Czech Republic.
>
> But I find it surprising that Goblin wasn't. Or that is
how it appears to
> me. I'm sure every culture has some goblin-like creature
as part of their
> literary tradition. I don't understand why his name
wasn't translated to
the
> name of that creature.
>
> Again the Czech edition is different in that it
translates Goblin to
Skret.
> Anyone know what a Skret is?
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:09:11 -0500
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon

I can feel mine! I am eagerly looking forward to getting my grubby hands on
that book. Does anyone know how long Cook has been working on this? It seems
I have only heard about it for a year or so. 1100 words is a lot of work. If
he had a real zest for writing it, I'm sure it will be something to
remember.
That Zest seemed to be missing from the latter Glittering Stone Books. Don't
get me wrong, I loved them, but something was different. I hope Soldiers
Live was the end though. I loved the series but am ready for something Cook
is really into writing about. I feel he wrote the latter volumes because of
the series' popularity. If he comes out with another BC book I will still be
first in line, looking for that magic again.
The Garrett books are tiding me over until the new book comes out (when I
can find them). If you haven't read them, you should. Same Magic, different
theme.
I finally gave in and bought a copy of A matter of time off ebay ($9.50). I
will never find one in a used book store. Everyone says it's a good read.

Hey Eric,
I know that offer from Balticon is still on your web page. Is the offer
still good?


Don
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Chew <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon


> >
> >The infamous 1100 page crime novel has been deliverd to the publisher.
> >No title or publish date yet.
> >
>
> Does anyone else's heart pound a little faster for a minute
> after reading news like this?  :-)  Can't wait!
>
> Steve
>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:00:49 -0500
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names

Joseph,

I don't know where you are picking up on Farsi culture from Glen's work;
the mythoi he draws from in the Books of the South are South Asian
(particularly Hindi), not Middle Eastern (such as Farsi = Persion = Iranian).

Steve

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:04:54 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon

on 5/12/01 12:09 PM, Don at [e-mail] wrote:

> I know that offer from Balticon is still on your web page. Is the offer
> still good?

I don't know. I do know that 835 people have viewed the page (of which
probably 35 are mine.) I tried contacting her several months ago to find out
how they were selling and I didn't get a reply.

Try it and let the rest of us know.

BTW, there is copy of "Sung in Blood" for auction on eBay. It has a
buy-it-now price of $300. Current bid $115.

- --
Eric Herrmann
<[e-mail]>


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:42:44 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names

Thanks guy's, (DG and Steve) pretty hung over from the night before. Blowing
off steam. I always get farsi and hindustani? mixed up.

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.

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.
.
.
.
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.
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.
.
.
..Plus forgot to mention the similiarity between nyueng boa and vietnamese.
That was pretty unmistakable to me. Not in all aspects but there was a good
deal of blending going on there. That, and other asian cultures...."Would
you like to walk the path of the sword Standard Bearer?"
cool, Thanks..
It's Cooks dialogue that is the magic for me. It's always been his strong
point. Love that way Garrett and Morley talk. The way Garret talks to
himself. The way Case does it. Bragi. Murgen. Croaker. Sleepy. I'll bet this
next book is gonna be the best for that, because he gets better and better
at it.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names


> Joseph,
>
> I don't know where you are picking up on Farsi culture from Glen's work;
> the mythoi he draws from in the Books of the South are South Asian
> (particularly Hindi), not Middle Eastern (such as Farsi = Persion =
Iranian).
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:29:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names

In a message dated 5/12/01 3:55:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> According to Song of Kali, by Dan Simmons, the city now
>  called Calcutta derives its name from Kali
>  worship--Kalikata was an earlier version of the name.  But
>  that book is fiction and so this etymology may be too.
>   Calcutta is in Northeast India in Bengal.
>

This is quite factual.  Calcutta is named for and originally dedicated to
Kali. There are unprovable  reports that California is also named for Kali.
It is known that the name "California" was created by a Spanish monk at one
of the early mission there. A monk who had previously traveled in India.  He
claimed that "California" was a nonsense word of his own creation.  His
fellow monks believed that California came from a combination of "Kali" and
"fornicate."  Totally unprovable today but an interesting story nonetheless.

Michael W Sweet

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:18:11 -0400 (CLT)
From: Pat Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon (fwd)

> >
> >The infamous 1100 page crime novel has been deliverd to the publisher.
> >No title or publish date yet.
>     Does anyone else's heart pound a little faster for a minute
> after reading news like this?  :-)  Can't wait!

Anyone know if his next Garrett book -- Angry Lead Skies -- has a
publication date yet?  Eric Herrmann's website just says "Summer 2001".

Pat Hall
[e-mail]




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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:54:10 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Off topic - Some bad news

A bit off topic, but Douglas Adams (author of _The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy_) died on Friday from a heart attack.  While his style and
Cook's aren't that similar, I know of at least one person (me) who
enjoyed both authors.

It's always a shame when a good author goes.

Richard

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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:39:07 +0200
From: "gwen1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) daughter of the night

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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Dayton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) books?

Whats this new book you are talking about? I was at Myrtal beach last summer
and was in a Barnes and Nobel.  I had just finished reading the Belgariad
and the Mallorian by David Eddings and I needed a new book to read. I saw
the black company and Soldier's Live book. I picked up the BC book and didnt
touch it till that christmas. I was bored and so I started reading....I was
immediatly entraped by this series. I read from start to finish in about 3
months. It is the best books  have ever read and now my Father is reading.
The only book i thought lacked the magic the others did was Water Sleeps,
well kinda as the title says and derives its name from the book is the Water
Sleeps....they don't do much but conspire while the thing i liked was like
someone said before was the Dialog and the scenes.. My favorite scene in all
the books is when croaker and the Old Crew are leaving the other demintion
with the flying posts.  THe way it is descriped reinds me of something seen
from a movie.  a Man with his black armor on standing outside the gate with
fire around him. On the other side is these people going crazy. It is just
magical. But who is the other of the new book you are talking about and what
is the title, story if you know it, etc. Thanks

John Dayton

PS. I did a little research and I saw the Garret PI books. Can anyone give
me a list and the order of all the Garret PI books. Thanks.
PSS here is a logo i made for the BC.
http://home.earthlink.net/~genox/TBC_logo.jpg

Geno





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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:31:50 EDT
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Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) daughter of the night

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:49:51 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers

(Note - you might want to add the word SPOILER when you are mentioning
things that are late in the series.  Some of the people on this list
haven't read all the books.)

John Dayton wrote:
>
> Whats this new book you are talking about?

Cook has taken a break from fantasy and has written a detective novel.
It's not out yet, but someone was talking to Cook at a fan convention
and he said the manuscript has been delievered to the publisher.

> I was at Myrtal beach last summer
> and was in a Barnes and Nobel.  I had just finished reading the Belgariad
> and the Mallorian by David Eddings and I needed a new book to read. I saw
> the black company and Soldier's Live book. I picked up the BC book and didnt
> touch it till that christmas. I was bored and so I started reading....I was
> immediatly entraped by this series. I read from start to finish in about 3
> months. It is the best books  have ever read and now my Father is reading.

Have you read the entire series? One that a lot of people miss is The
Silver Spike.

> The only book i thought lacked the magic the others did was Water Sleeps,
> well kinda as the title says and derives its name from the book is the Water
> Sleeps....they don't do much but conspire while the thing i liked was like
> someone said before was the Dialog and the scenes.. My favorite scene in all
> the books is when croaker and the Old Crew are leaving the other demintion
> with the flying posts.

That is a good one.  One of the scenes that somehow has stuck with me
for years (um, decades?) is actually in the first book (first chapter)
when Mercy is introduced and they round up the traitors at the inn.
Mercy dying so soon afterward to me set the tone of the books -
wonderful characters are introduced, they interact, and sometimes they
die.  You're never sure which of the characters will survive any battle,
and instead of a fight scene where the character falls you get something
like "we lost X men, including Mercy".

Cook does this in most of his books (not so much in the Garret series).
That's one of the reasons I like his writing - he's not afraid of
character death.  While most series keep the heros alive until the last
books or last chapters of the current book you know with Cook that the
reaper can come at any minute and claim any character.  Makes the second
death of Raven so much more believable (when he slipped and fell, not
when it looked like the new Black Castle killed him).

>  THe way it is descriped reinds me of something seen
> from a movie.  a Man with his black armor on standing outside the gate with
> fire around him. On the other side is these people going crazy. It is just
> magical. But who is the other of the new book you are talking about and what
> is the title, story if you know it, etc. Thanks
>
> John Dayton
>
> PS. I did a little research and I saw the Garret PI books. Can anyone give
> me a list and the order of all the Garret PI books. Thanks.

Checkout http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Home.html - it has a
lot of information on Cook.

From http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/Books/GC-Biblio.html the
Garret books are:
Sweet Silver Blues, Bitter Gold Hearts, Cold Copper Tears, Old Tin
Sorrows, Dread Brass Shadows, Red Iron Nights, Deadly Quicksilver Lies,
Petty Pewter Gods, and Faded Steel Heat

Richard

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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:48:30 -0400
From: "John Datyon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers

Sorry about the no spoiler warning. But yes, I missed the silver spike and
finished it a few weeks ago. That is one thing I like about cook.


> and instead of a fight scene where the character falls you get something
> like "we lost X men, including Mercy".


Yes I like this but somtimes it is sortof a disapointment that he builds up
characters such as sleepy and then she just dies....although like you said
it wouldn't really have worked if she lived some how or something...it
wouldn't be the same.
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Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers


> (Note - you might want to add the word SPOILER when you are mentioning
> things that are late in the series.  Some of the people on this list
> haven't read all the books.)
>
> John Dayton wrote:
> >
> > Whats this new book you are talking about?
>
> Cook has taken a break from fantasy and has written a detective novel.
> It's not out yet, but someone was talking to Cook at a fan convention
> and he said the manuscript has been delievered to the publisher.
>
> > I was at Myrtal beach last summer
> > and was in a Barnes and Nobel.  I had just finished reading the
Belgariad
> > and the Mallorian by David Eddings and I needed a new book to read. I
saw
> > the black company and Soldier's Live book. I picked up the BC book and
didnt
> > touch it till that christmas. I was bored and so I started reading....I
was
> > immediatly entraped by this series. I read from start to finish in about
3
> > months. It is the best books  have ever read and now my Father is
reading.
>
> Have you read the entire series? One that a lot of people miss is The
> Silver Spike.
>
> > The only book i thought lacked the magic the others did was Water
Sleeps,
> > well kinda as the title says and derives its name from the book is the
Water
> > Sleeps....they don't do much but conspire while the thing i liked was
like
> > someone said before was the Dialog and the scenes.. My favorite scene in
all
> > the books is when croaker and the Old Crew are leaving the other
demintion
> > with the flying posts.
>
> That is a good one.  One of the scenes that somehow has stuck with me
> for years (um, decades?) is actually in the first book (first chapter)
> when Mercy is introduced and they round up the traitors at the inn.
> Mercy dying so soon afterward to me set the tone of the books -
> wonderful characters are introduced, they interact, and sometimes they
> die.  You're never sure which of the characters will survive any battle,
> and instead of a fight scene where the character falls you get something
> like "we lost X men, including Mercy".
>
> Cook does this in most of his books (not so much in the Garret series).
> That's one of the reasons I like his writing - he's not afraid of
> character death.  While most series keep the heros alive until the last
> books or last chapters of the current book you know with Cook that the
> reaper can come at any minute and claim any character.  Makes the second
> death of Raven so much more believable (when he slipped and fell, not
> when it looked like the new Black Castle killed him).
>
> >  THe way it is descriped reinds me of something seen
> > from a movie.  a Man with his black armor on standing outside the gate
with
> > fire around him. On the other side is these people going crazy. It is
just
> > magical. But who is the other of the new book you are talking about and
what
> > is the title, story if you know it, etc. Thanks
> >
> > John Dayton
> >
> > PS. I did a little research and I saw the Garret PI books. Can anyone
give
> > me a list and the order of all the Garret PI books. Thanks.
>
> Checkout http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Home.html - it has a
> lot of information on Cook.
>
> From http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/Books/GC-Biblio.html the
> Garret books are:
> Sweet Silver Blues, Bitter Gold Hearts, Cold Copper Tears, Old Tin
> Sorrows, Dread Brass Shadows, Red Iron Nights, Deadly Quicksilver Lies,
> Petty Pewter Gods, and Faded Steel Heat
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:58:36 -0600
From: "Amy Weathers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire

Well.  I've -finally- got started reading these books.  I re-read the list
to see suggested order of reading.  I've gone ahead and just started with
the main series.  I've almost finished book one. (I had a Very long
graduation to go to yesterday.)  So far so good.  I got a little lost a few
times but I think I go the jest of everything so far.  Might have a question
or two at the end.  We shall see.

Amy



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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:18:54 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers

John Datyon wrote:
>
> Sorry about the no spoiler warning. But yes, I missed the silver spike and
> finished it a few weeks ago. That is one thing I like about cook.
>
> > and instead of a fight scene where the character falls you get something
> > like "we lost X men, including Mercy".
>
> Yes I like this but somtimes it is sortof a disapointment that he builds up
> characters such as sleepy and then she just dies....although like you said
> it wouldn't really have worked if she lived some how or something...it
> wouldn't be the same.

Few authors will kill off main characters, and fewer still will kill
them in non-dramatic ways.  That's one thing that Cook doesn't have a
problem with - and it adds a dimension to his writing.  You really never
know if he will kill off someone just like that, so there is an
underlying temsion throughout the books.

It also lets him have characters like Raven play games.  In the first
novel there was a point where it looked like Raven was dead (after the
Shapeshifter, Limper, rebel thing), but he turned up again a few weeks
later.  If he hadn't, well, his death would have fitted in with the
other near meaningless deaths.  At the end of Shadows Linger he dies,
and we can accept it as probably real - after all the Captain and most
of the company just went down.
All those deaths really help define the mood - war is hell and people
die for no real reason.  It's a dark world out there, and no one is
going to come rushing to your rescue at the last minute.
While I'm not criticizing others styles, there have been countless times
when I've been reading other authors and known that the heroes would get
through a mess ok because there were just too many pages left for a main
character to die, or it wasn't an important fight - not dramatic enough
for a death.  While I can see why an author wants you to fall in love
with his characters and relate them, and many people do enjoy high drama
for a death scene, it can detract from a scene when you know there's no
real risk.  Then again LotR remains a classic, and you have high drama
when one of the Nine Walkers goes down.

Speaking of favorite parts of Cook's work, I'd have to character over
the other elements - but that's hard to do.  What would we know of the
characters without the dialog or Cook's narratives?

That said, his characters - specially the villians - are wonderful.

What would the early books be without someone like the Limper as a foil
the company?  Without the Dominator lurking in the background?  It's
been written that the hero is only as good as the villian is bad, and a
weak villian shows a weak hero - that's never the case in the world of
the Black Company where you might had weak characters but they don't
serve as the true villians.
(For weak characters I'm thinking of the one from Jupiter (Shed's friend
- - the guy that Raven takes with him when he goes south) and some of the
priest in the south.  Gready people, weak people, ones that are
sometimes an obstacle but aren't the main threat.)

Richard

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