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Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #105
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glencook-fans-digest Monday, May 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 105
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:23:19 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire
Amy Weathers wrote:
>
> Well. I've -finally- got started reading these books. I re-read the list
> to see suggested order of reading. I've gone ahead and just started with
> the main series. I've almost finished book one. (I had a Very long
> graduation to go to yesterday.) So far so good. I got a little lost a few
> times but I think I go the jest of everything so far. Might have a question
> or two at the end. We shall see.
>
When I read them I wasn't aware there was a main series, prologue, etc
and went with the chronological order. I was surprised later to find
that I hadn't read them in the order they were written. There are clear
breaks, but it's amazing how well they fit together. I've read many
series that were written in order that had more loose ends and
continuality breaks then the Dread Empire.
That said, it's been years since I read them. Perhaps it's time for a
re-read.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:39:28 +0200
From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) daughter of the night
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:09:01 +0200
From: "sluagh" <ginger@isp.pl>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off topic - Some bad news
> A bit off topic, but Douglas Adams (author of _The Hitchhiker's Guide to
> the Galaxy_) died on Friday from a heart attack. While his style and
> Cook's aren't that similar, I know of at least one person (me) who
> enjoyed both authors.
>
> It's always a shame when a good author goes.
>
> Richard
I feel very sorry. I enjoyed much not only The Hitchhiker's Guide, but also
ups and downs of Dirk Gently's Agency. And maybe it's a cold comfort, but I
have all of a radio broadcasts of "The Hitchhicker's..." on mp3 format and
if
You'd like I'll put them on my ftp.
greetings,
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:51:20 -0500
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@slu.edu>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Richard,
- ---spoiler for Silver Spike---
.
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.
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..
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.
.
I have to add to this:
"All those deaths really help define the mood - war is hell and people
die for no real reason. It's a dark world out there, and no one is
going to come rushing to your rescue at the last minute."
The most poigant--and realistic!--end to any of of Cook's characters is
what happens to Old Man Fish. I really got to like the old guy by the
end; he, as well as Marion Shed, had really grown. And how
characteristic of the time period--death by typhoid (or something similar).
Steve
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:29:23 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Stacey Harris wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> ---spoiler for Silver Spike---
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> ..
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> I have to add to this:
>
> "All those deaths really help define the mood - war is hell and people
> die for no real reason. It's a dark world out there, and no one is
> going to come rushing to your rescue at the last minute."
>
> The most poigant--and realistic!--end to any of of Cook's characters is
> what happens to Old Man Fish. I really got to like the old guy by the
> end; he, as well as Marion Shed, had really grown. And how
> characteristic of the time period--death by typhoid (or something similar).
>
The only other series I've found with the same gritty important people
die in period correct way type of style is The Book of Worlds trilogy.
One that comes close (but has more black vs white than most of Cook's
writtings) is the Hawk and Fisher series from Simon R Green...
Now that I think about, Green has a tendancy to introduce important
characters then kill them off, but the heroes of his books are good guys
with moral codes - something that Cook usually avoids except in his
Garret series.
Most fanstasy books skip over little things like common diseases and
other problems with life in that kind of setting. Cook doesn't. Things
that other authors ignore kill in many of Cook's book.
Thinking about what set the tone, Tom-Tom's death scene did more to
prove that there would be no last minute saves than Mercy's did.
Someone like Mercy being cut up in combat and dying is one thing; a
sorcerer somehow using magic to keep himself alive after he's been torn
apart and all he does is prolong his death agonies because no one has
either the power or the skill to save him is another. Tom-Tom death
also proved that sorcerers could die - making the deaths of the Taken
more believable.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:14:47 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
on 5/13/01 8:29 PM, Richard Chilton at rchilton@auracom.com wrote:
> The only other series I've found with the same gritty important people
> die in period correct way type of style is The Book of Worlds trilogy.
> One that comes close (but has more black vs white than most of Cook's
> writtings) is the Hawk and Fisher series from Simon R Green...
> Now that I think about, Green has a tendancy to introduce important
> characters then kill them off, but the heroes of his books are good guys
> with moral codes - something that Cook usually avoids except in his
> Garret series.
Oh, that's who wrote Hawk and Fisher.
I guess it was only appropriate then that the Hawk and Fisher covers were
used for many of the Russian editions of the Black Company.
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:23:26 -0500
From: Tom Duncan <tduncan@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Would someone be so kind as to tell me who wrote the Book of Worlds trilogy.
Thanks
Eric Herrmann wrote:
> on 5/13/01 8:29 PM, Richard Chilton at rchilton@auracom.com wrote:
>
> > The only other series I've found with the same gritty important people
> > die in period correct way type of style is The Book of Worlds trilogy.
> > One that comes close (but has more black vs white than most of Cook's
> > writtings) is the Hawk and Fisher series from Simon R Green...
> > Now that I think about, Green has a tendancy to introduce important
> > characters then kill them off, but the heroes of his books are good guys
> > with moral codes - something that Cook usually avoids except in his
> > Garret series.
>
> Oh, that's who wrote Hawk and Fisher.
>
> I guess it was only appropriate then that the Hawk and Fisher covers were
> used for many of the Russian editions of the Black Company.
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <shpshftr@xmission.com>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:36:24 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Eric Herrmann wrote:
>
> on 5/13/01 8:29 PM, Richard Chilton at rchilton@auracom.com wrote:
>
> > The only other series I've found with the same gritty important people
> > die in period correct way type of style is The Book of Worlds trilogy.
> > One that comes close (but has more black vs white than most of Cook's
> > writtings) is the Hawk and Fisher series from Simon R Green...
> > Now that I think about, Green has a tendancy to introduce important
> > characters then kill them off, but the heroes of his books are good guys
> > with moral codes - something that Cook usually avoids except in his
> > Garret series.
>
> Oh, that's who wrote Hawk and Fisher.
>
> I guess it was only appropriate then that the Hawk and Fisher covers were
> used for many of the Russian editions of the Black Company.
>
Hawk and Fisher is a weird series. Starts with "Under the Blue Moon" -
a novel with a lot of comic overtones mixed with some very messy
fighting and politics. Two of the main characters who survive head to a
distance land and take the names 'Hawk' and 'Fisher' - but all
throughout the series it's never spelled out that this has happened.
Clues are scattered throughout the novels, but no obvious tie in. After
the six Hawk and Fisher books there's one called "Return to the Blue
Moon" (not sure 100% of the exact title but that sounds right) where the
personas of Hawk and Fisher are abandomned so the heroes can right the
wrongs they left behind.
I enjoyed the series, but that might just be me.
Richard
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:42:04 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Tom Duncan wrote:
>
> Would someone be so kind as to tell me who wrote the Book of Worlds trilogy.
> Thanks
>
My apologises - that's the second time I've referred to it as the Book
of Worlds trilogy. It's the Book of Words trilogy. Written by J. V.
Jones.
There's a review at: http://www.sfsite.com/10a/words18.htm
Richard
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:06:56 -0500
From: Tom Duncan <tduncan@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
thanks!
Richard Chilton wrote:
> Tom Duncan wrote:
> >
> > Would someone be so kind as to tell me who wrote the Book of Worlds trilogy.
> > Thanks
> >
>
> My apologises - that's the second time I've referred to it as the Book
> of Worlds trilogy. It's the Book of Words trilogy. Written by J. V.
> Jones.
>
> There's a review at: http://www.sfsite.com/10a/words18.htm
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:54:16 -0700
From: "Chuck red_snot" <red_snot@beer.com>
Subject: Re: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
>>One of the scenes that somehow has stuck with me
for years (um, decades?) is actually in the first book (first chapter)
when Mercy is introduced and they round up the traitors at the inn.
Mercy dying so soon afterward to me set the tone of the books -
wonderful characters are introduced, they interact, and sometimes they
die. You're never sure which of the characters will survive any
battle,
and instead of a fight scene where the character falls you get
something
like "we lost X men, including Mercy".
Cook does this in most of his books (not so much in the Garret
series).
That's one of the reasons I like his writing - he's not afraid of
character death. While most series keep the heros alive until the
last
books or last chapters of the current book you know with Cook that the
reaper can come at any minute and claim any character. Makes the
second
death of Raven so much more believable (when he slipped and fell, not
when it looked like the new Black Castle killed him).
>>
I think my favorite scene was when Lady killed all those priests. Or
the severed heads on the poles. Lady could be pretty evil...
As for the death thing, your right. I found my self going over and
over certain passages thinking no author could kill a character in
such a fashion, that no the book didn't just kill off that person
beacuse his/her death should have been much more grand. In Soldiers
Live I did it again when Sleepy died.
However, the one character that all of us loved never died.
I'd rather be drunk
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:06:53 -0700
From: "Chuck red_snot" <red_snot@beer.com>
Subject: Re: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon
>>>> I know that offer from Balticon is still on your web page. Is
the offerstill good?
>>I don't know. I do know that 835 people have viewed the page (of
which
probably 35 are mine.) I tried contacting her several months ago to
find out
how they were selling and I didn't get a reply.
Try it and let the rest of us know.
BTW, there is copy of "Sung in Blood" for auction on eBay. It has a
buy-it-now price of $300. Current bid $115.
>>
I just got my copy of the Balticon mag like two weeks ago...
Is that a signed copy or a regular copy. Got mine off ebay for $80.
I'd rather be drunk
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:31:40 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) books? - has spoilers
Chuck red_snot wrote:
>
>
> I think my favorite scene was when Lady killed all those priests. Or
> the severed heads on the poles. Lady could be pretty evil...
>
> As for the death thing, your right. I found my self going over and
> over certain passages thinking no author could kill a character in
> such a fashion, that no the book didn't just kill off that person
> beacuse his/her death should have been much more grand. In Soldiers
> Live I did it again when Sleepy died.
>
> However, the one character that all of us loved never died.
>
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
..
.
.
.
But at the end of Shadow Games we were ready to accept his death -
knowing that it was something that Cook could do. And I could see
Croaker dying at the end of Soldiers Live - I won't have been surprised
if he went down then. I half expect the book to end with Croaker in the
afterlife reciting his last annal.
The most surprising death of all? One Eye.
Old age - who would have thought any of those folk would have gone in
their beds?
Richard
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