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Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #103
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glencook-fans-digest Saturday, May 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 103
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:35:58 +0400 (MSD)
From: ß╥╔╙╘┴╥╚ ≡╧╠╔╦┴╥╨╧╫╔▐ ·┴┬╧╩╬┘╩-δ┴╬─┼╠╤┬╥┼╬╦╧ <korobka@beep.ru>
Subject: Re: RE: (glencook-fans) The Taken Name Challenge
Good afternoon! I can to say Russian names of taken, and of some other
characters.
Bonegnasher = Kostoglod
Faceless Man = Bezlikij
Hanged Man = Poveshennyj
Howler = Revun
Limper = Hromoi
Moonbiter = Lunogryz
Nightcrawler = Kradushiisja v nochi
Shapeshifter = Menjajushij oblik
Soulcatcher = Dushelov
Stormbringer = Zovushjaja burju
Whisper = Shopot
Feather = Pero
Journey = Strannik
Croaker = Kostoprav (or Karkun, in other tranlation)
Goblin = Goblin
Smoke = Kopchyonyj
Lady = Gospozha
Dominator = Vlastelin
In two different translations, Croaker had two names:Karkun - literal
translation of "Croaker", Kostoprav - doctor, which correct bones.
I don't sure, but I can translate some names on Czech:
Faceless Man = Beztvarny
Bonegnasher = Kostizer
Soulcatcher = Lovec Dusi
Moonbiter = Lunohryz
Shapeshifter = Menivec
Nightcrawler = Nocni Slidil
Lithuanian:
Menulio Kandziotojo = Shapeshifter(?)
Naktinis Sliuzas = Nightcrawler(?)
Polish:
Bezgebny = Faceless Man (?)
Duszolap = Soulcatcher
Ksiezycogryza = Moonbiter
Nocny Pelzacz = Nightcrawler
Wisielec = Hanged man
Zmiennoksztaltny = Shapeshifter
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:01:27 +0200
From: "gwen" <gwen1@wp.pl>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) names
> > > > smoke
>
> I think I can give u that one- he's the wizard from Taglios, right?
> If so he is called Kopec( I leave the spelling and degfinition to gwen :))
>
> Mocker
Here it comes:
Kopec [koh-peh-tch'] -something nasty that gives away smoke.
Gwen
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:12:28 +0200
From: "gwen" <gwen1@wp.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) names
> >>> mercy
> >
> > I can't identify anyone under that name.
>
> I think that would be Laska at the very beginning of Czarna Kompania.
oh, yes, thanks.
gwen
laska [waas-kaa] meaning exactly the same
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:15:02 +0200
From: "gwen" <gwen1@wp.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) names
> Thanks for the Polish versions of the names!
You are very welcome.
>
> Ravens and crows are very similar birds;
yes, and now among the polish mambers of this group there was a voice, that
I am mistaken, and Ravens name is transleted all right. My fault.
Thank you for feedback
Gwen
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:01:27 +0200
From: "gwen" <gwen1@wp.pl>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) names
> > > > smoke
>
> I think I can give u that one- he's the wizard from Taglios, right?
> If so he is called Kopec( I leave the spelling and degfinition to gwen :))
>
> Mocker
Here it comes:
Kopec [koh-peh-tch'] -something nasty that gives away smoke.
Gwen
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:14:45 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Taken Name Challenge
on 5/10/01 9:56 PM, David George at d.s.george@verizon.net wrote:
> How'd I do, Eric? The French was easiest (that was my High
> School language) but the German was pretty much guess work.
I'll post the answers in a few more days to allow time for others to try
their hand. However, I will send a score privately.
- --
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:51:58 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) names
on 5/10/01 11:48 AM, Richard Chilton at rchilton@auracom.com wrote:
> There's underlining reason for the names in the Black Company books - or
> at least there's a statement by Cook to that affect.
> In his Dread Empire series the names were... interesting. You really
> wanted a pronunciation guide for that series, and someone (a reviewer?)
> mentioned something to Cook about his choice of names. So in the Black
> Company we have some very simple (at least simple in English) names.
> Croaker.
> Elmo
> Mercy
> Raven
> Even the sorcerers had simple names as opposed to mystic sounding ones.
> You have Soulcatcher, not something like Hyenertill'Deren (which gets
> explained as being the (forget the name of the language only the Taken
> still spoke) term for Catcher of Souls).
The Black Company books are somewhat unique in that characters do not have
"native" names. They, for the most part, have common noun names or titles.
It seems that they have mostly been translated to common nouns and titles.
So I guess it isn't that surprising that Elmo is Elmo in all the books,
except in the Czech Republic.
But I find it surprising that Goblin wasn't. Or that is how it appears to
me. I'm sure every culture has some goblin-like creature as part of their
literary tradition. I don't understand why his name wasn't translated to the
name of that creature.
Again the Czech edition is different in that it translates Goblin to Skret.
Anyone know what a Skret is?
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:00:24 -0700
From: "Chuck red_snot" <red_snot@beer.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)
I know it has been a while since the book came out, but I just got
through reading it (having been distracted by life and its
adventures).
I must say that without a doubt, that was the finest BC book I have
read. I thought that the level of emotion at the end was new and
completely justified considering the circumstances. It was truly a
masterpiece.
And I know this may sound crazy to some of you (perhaps all of you),
but I would hope that Cook ends the annals forever (though I suppose
Cook left enough interesting "maybes" to write more). You couldn't
possibly top the stories of the original BC, and the way the
glittering plane saga ended brought good closer.
It is like other great books or even movies you saw that you on the
one hand wish there was a sequel, but you knew that the author or
director nailed the story so beautifully that to make a sequel would
only mock the original.
If there are more BC books (and I know there was some discussion of
this on the list, but as I've said I have been occupied elsewhere), I
will read them. Perhaps Cook can recapture this magic. If he does
write more BC, I certainly hope he does.
I'd rather be drunk
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:51:59 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)
Chuck red_snot wrote:
>
> I know it has been a while since the book came out, but I just got
> through reading it (having been distracted by life and its
> adventures).
>
> I must say that without a doubt, that was the finest BC book I have
> read. I thought that the level of emotion at the end was new and
> completely justified considering the circumstances. It was truly a
> masterpiece.
>
It clearly the best of the Glittering Stone books, but for emotional
ending there's that little speech Lady makes at the end of her
chronicles (Dreams of Steal). Of course, that one was followed by a
years long wait so it does stick in the mind.
> And I know this may sound crazy to some of you (perhaps all of you),
> but I would hope that Cook ends the annals forever (though I suppose
> Cook left enough interesting "maybes" to write more). You couldn't
> possibly top the stories of the original BC, and the way the
> glittering plane saga ended brought good closer.
>
I agree - the end of Soldiers Live should be the end of the series. He
might do something with other eras in that world (I'd love to see early
Black Company [maybe after the Pain God bit or when Croaker joined as a
young man] or something set in the Domination), but the story of the
company has run its courses. I've seen too many writters try to milk
success with one or two more books that fail to expanded a tale that has
ended to want to see that happen with the Company.
> It is like other great books or even movies you saw that you on the
> one hand wish there was a sequel, but you knew that the author or
> director nailed the story so beautifully that to make a sequel would
> only mock the original.
>
Agreed. Alas, too many try to do cash in and fail - remember The
Godfather Part III?
> If there are more BC books (and I know there was some discussion of
> this on the list, but as I've said I have been occupied elsewhere), I
> will read them. Perhaps Cook can recapture this magic. If he does
> write more BC, I certainly hope he does.
>
After the end of Soldiers Live, any book he writes with the Black
Company won't have the look and feel of a Black Company novel. Without
giving away the end of Soldiers Live, too much would be missing for it
to feel like a Black Company novel to me.
Richard
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:21:18 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <jrraney@mediaone.net>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)
>>>And I know this may sound crazy to some of you (perhaps all of you),
but I would hope that Cook ends the annals forever (though I suppose
Cook left enough interesting "maybes" to write more). You couldn't
possibly top the stories of the original BC, and the way the
glittering plane saga ended brought good closer.<<<
I actually agree with you. Cook closed up the series absolutely perfectly,
in my opinion. It's the same feeling I have for the Lord of the Rings
trilogy: both sagas are amazing, but they have such excellent closure that
I just couldn't imagine them being added to in any way. They're too goo.
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:54:23 -0700
From: Peter Leitch <pleitch@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)
Argh! Nuts to you both. I was sorry to see the end. I remember picking up
the ninth book or was it the tenth? ... anyway, it was years after the
previous. Finally another book! I have enjoyed many series over the years
but rarely over so long a time and with such enjoyment. I for one, am sorry
you say "that's all". If there is another one he can add to the series then I
say "great"! A funny story with that was when I picked up that book, I said
"Finally, the ninth in the trilogy!", and walked away with a big smile on my
face, happy to have it.
Let him keep writing while he is still alive. I was sad when Roger Zelazny
died. His Amber series gave me and mine such joy over the years. What it
lacked I thought was the depth that Glen Cook developed through his series.
There is a lot to be said for "bigger" books. The Rings were a joy. They
were big with the depth to fill them. And, they were all there when I first
discovered them.
Which could start another discussion. Who has the most enjoyment? Us that
have been through the series since it first came out or those that came later
- -- those that have the set to read fresh, from start to finish. I image those
people are rare. I know I had a hard time scrounging the book stores before I
accumulated enough to gift two complete sets. Maybe its time for another
printing?
>>>And I know this may sound crazy to some of you (perhaps all of you),
> but I would hope that Cook ends the annals forever (though I suppose
> Cook left enough interesting "maybes" to write more). You couldn't
> possibly top the stories of the original BC, and the way the
> glittering plane saga ended brought good closer.<<<
>
> I actually agree with you. Cook closed up the series absolutely perfectly,
> in my opinion. It's the same feeling I have for the Lord of the Rings
> trilogy: both sagas are amazing, but they have such excellent closure that
> I just couldn't imagine them being added to in any way. They're too goo.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:49:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) News from Demicon
>
>The infamous 1100 page crime novel has been deliverd to the publisher.
>No title or publish date yet.
>
Does anyone else's heart pound a little faster for a minute
after reading news like this? :-) Can't wait!
Steve
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:44:25 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live (No Spoilers)
Peter Leitch wrote:
>
> Argh! Nuts to you both. I was sorry to see the end. I remember picking up
> the ninth book or was it the tenth? ... anyway, it was years after the
> previous. Finally another book!
I remember that long wait. Horrible. All because of some mix up with
Cook's contract.
> I have enjoyed many series over the years
> but rarely over so long a time and with such enjoyment. I for one, am sorry
> you say "that's all". If there is another one he can add to the series then I
> say "great"!
If he can pull off another one I'll buy it, but the end of the last book
has the feel of the last book in a series. By the end of it virtually
all our questions have been answered - at least about the South books
(everything after Silver Spike), and I can't see how one more power
could improve it.
> A funny story with that was when I picked up that book, I said
> "Finally, the ninth in the trilogy!", and walked away with a big smile on my
> face, happy to have it.
>
You know if things hadn't been screwed up way back when it would have
been a trilogy. The entire Glitter Stone series in one book. With that
in mind the wait seems worth it.
> Let him keep writing while he is still alive. I was sad when Roger Zelazny
> died.
Same here. Tragic in a way.
> His Amber series gave me and mine such joy over the years.
The worse part: He'd announced that he was planning another 5 books.
It would have tied together elements from the firs and second five. He
wrote some short stories to lay the ground work (one involved contacting
a couple of siblings who left Amber years ago and haven't been heard
since - not even during the succession / pattern fall war), then died.
> What it
> lacked I thought was the depth that Glen Cook developed through his series.
Two completely different styles of writting - although at times Croaker
and Corwin seem to share some traits. They are both telling their
stories to others and both (reportedly) lie during their stories.
> There is a lot to be said for "bigger" books. The Rings were a joy. They
> were big with the depth to fill them. And, they were all there when I first
> discovered them.
>
The biggest disappointment about the Rings? Finishing the story and
discovering that the last half of the last book was appendixes.
Speaking of the Rings I've seen the trailer for the first movie, and it
looks wonderful.
> Which could start another discussion. Who has the most enjoyment? Us that
> have been through the series since it first came out or those that came later
> -- those that have the set to read fresh, from start to finish. I image those
> people are rare. I know I had a hard time scrounging the book stores before I
> accumulated enough to gift two complete sets. Maybe its time for another
> printing?
>
I think the Black Company has been in print since it was published, but
not some of the other books. Think the hardest to find is The Silver
Spike / Books of the South ones.
Richard
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