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Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm enjoying Black Company so far, but
I've been confused for a while (I'm on page 175). I was wondering if someone
could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that far into the book but I seem to
have missed a few things and its driving me nuts.
My questions:
1- Who exactly are the Rebel? Are they just against the empire or do they
work for Raker, or the Limper or who?
2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the Company or not? Is the Rose in league
with the Taken or not?
3- The Taken... are they just some really powerful and feared wizards or are
they something much more bizarre?
If you can help me out a bit- Thanks!
- -dan
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm
enjoying Black Company so far, but I've been confused for a while (I'm on
page
175). I was wondering if someone could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that
far
into the book but I seem to have missed a few things and its driving me
nuts. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>My questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>1- Who exactly are the Rebel? Are they
just
against the empire or do they work for Raker, or the Limper or
who?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the
Company
or not? Is the Rose in league with the Taken or not?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>3- The Taken... are they just some
really
powerful and feared wizards or are they something much more
bizarre?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>If you can help me out a bit-
Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>-dan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:28:26 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) <no subject>
Eric Herrmann wrote:
>
> Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm enjoying Black Company so far, but
> I've been confused for a while (I'm on page 175). I was wondering if someone
> could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that far into the book but I seem to
> have missed a few things and its driving me nuts.
>
I'll try to avoid spoilers.
> My questions:
> 1- Who exactly are the Rebel? Are they just against the empire or do they
> work for Raker, or the Limper or who?
>
"The Rebel" - the term covers a wide variety of factions that is
fighting the Lady's empire. Everywhere she expands she displaces the
power structure that's there and they try to fight her. It's a lot like
the French Resistance - historically there were dozens of groups in
France offering resistance to the German occupation but they get lumped
together in one group.
They (the Rebel) are united in hatred of the empire, and that's it. If
they won they'd probably fight among themselves for power. They scheme
among themselves - they have factions and the leaders of each faction
wants more power. They have a command structure, but it isn't as
unified as the lady's. The book doesn't really give much details about
this, but if you read between the lines it's there.
Raker is one of the generals who leads the rebels in the North. As long
as he's winning people will support him.
The Limper tries to use the Rebels to score points. If he can beat them
he'll be happy. If he can help them hurt his rival Soulcatcher he'll be
happy. He sees the Black Company as Soulcatcher's pawn, and wants them
to fail so Soulcatcher will be in disgrace.
> 2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the Company or not? Is the Rose in league
> with the Taken or not?
>
The White Rose...
Later in the book the White Rose is explained. It's the name of a great
general who (about 400 years ago) defeated the Dominator, The Lady, and
the Ten who were Taken; overturning their empire she found she couldn't
kill them so buried them. The Lady and the Ten were later freed and
started rebuilding the Empire.
It's prophesized that since the evil powers she defeat have risen again
that she will be reborn to lead the struggle against the Lady and her
Empire.
Since the Black Company is a tool of the Empire it looks like the White
Rose (if she exists in more than legends) will stand against them.
> 3- The Taken... are they just some really powerful and feared wizards or are
> they something much more bizarre?
>
Um, that's debatable.
Way back when, during a high age of Magic, a wizard who called him self
"The Dominator" (because he liked running things) went after other
wizards. He found ten who were near demigods in their power and, well
TOOK them. They became his creatures. He owned them body and soul.
There was another who was a bit too powerful for him to take, so he
married her and made her his Lady.
Did the Taking process add to their powers, or were they just kick ass
wizards with lots of power? Who's to say. Their power and magical
knowledge is matched by few today - during the struggle Cooks names
maybe half a dozen rebels with the power level of the Take (say Raker,
Whisper, and a few others), but other than that people quake in their
boots when the Taken are around.
Each of the Taken is different, but most can be seen as bizarre. Each
spent 400 years in the ground - and most look it. With most of them
their faces (when seen) are faces that have clearly seen the inside of
the grave.
The early ones mentioned?
Soulcatcher - who is said to speak with the voices of men whose souls
she has stolen.
The Limper - described as someone who would torture babies for fun.
Shapeshifter - a weird looking creature who can shift shapes, and has a
staff shaped like an enlongated woman - rumoured to be his ex-wife who
cheated on him way back when.
All of them can fit the bill as villains- wonderful, awful, horrible
villains. Having such well defined bad guys make the series. As for
the company, well, there is no black and white in the series, only
shades of grey.
Hope this helped.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:56:03 -0600
From: "Amy Weathers" <raistlin@zianet.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) <no subject>
I haven't posted in a while, so I'll tackle a couple of these and leave some
for the rest of you all.
:)
>
>Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm enjoying Black Company so far, but
>I've been confused for a while (I'm on page 175). I was wondering if
someone
>could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that far into the book but I seem to
>have missed a few things and its driving me nuts.
>
>2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the Company or not? Is the Rose in league
>with the Taken or not?
The white rose is a person who in years long past, helped to defeat The Lady
and her nastey other half. So the Whote rose would be the enemy of the
Lady and her minions. Unless of course the minions wanted her dead ... in
which case the white rose would just be a useful tool of the Taken.
>3- The Taken... are they just some really powerful and feared wizards or
are
>they something much more bizarre?
They are wizards, they are something much more bizarre. All the Taken are
very powerful wizards in their own right, however when they were made into
'the taken' they became the subservent minions to the Lady, or her husband.
Since their release, they all work for the Lady ... or to further their own
means.
>If you can help me out a bit- Thanks!
>-dan
>
Those are a couple quick answers to what are some deep questions. And they
are or course my own personal opinions as well.
Enjoy the books. :)
Amy (thinking of re-readign them again)
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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:56:03 -0600
From: "Amy Weathers" <raistlin@zianet.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) <no subject>
I haven't posted in a while, so I'll tackle a couple of these and leave some
for the rest of you all.
:)
>
>Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm enjoying Black Company so far, but
>I've been confused for a while (I'm on page 175). I was wondering if
someone
>could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that far into the book but I seem to
>have missed a few things and its driving me nuts.
>
>2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the Company or not? Is the Rose in league
>with the Taken or not?
The white rose is a person who in years long past, helped to defeat The Lady
and her nastey other half. So the Whote rose would be the enemy of the
Lady and her minions. Unless of course the minions wanted her dead ... in
which case the white rose would just be a useful tool of the Taken.
>3- The Taken... are they just some really powerful and feared wizards or
are
>they something much more bizarre?
They are wizards, they are something much more bizarre. All the Taken are
very powerful wizards in their own right, however when they were made into
'the taken' they became the subservent minions to the Lady, or her husband.
Since their release, they all work for the Lady ... or to further their own
means.
>If you can help me out a bit- Thanks!
>-dan
>
Those are a couple quick answers to what are some deep questions. And they
are or course my own personal opinions as well.
Enjoy the books. :)
Amy (thinking of re-readign them again)
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I mean do the 2 Cook series actually take place on the 'world'?
I seem to recall hearing about the fivrolocka guys in the Garrett
books (well one of 'em). It's also possible that one of the wars that
we hear about in the Black Company could be the Cantard from Garrett...
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series?
I mean do the 2 Cook series actually take place on the 'world'?
I seem to recall hearing about the fivrolocka guys in the Garrett
books (well one of 'em). It's also possible that one of the wars that
we hear about in the Black Company could be the Cantard from Garrett...
Dunno. Does anyone have any ideas one way or the other?
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Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:45:24 -0400
From: Dan Dean <dandean@optonline.net>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Help with the first book.
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Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm enjoying Black Company so far, but
I've been confused for a while (I'm on page 175). I was wondering if someone
could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that far into the book but I seem to
have missed a few things and its driving me nuts.
My questions:
1- Who exactly are the Rebel? Are they just against the empire or do they
work for Raker, or the Limper or who?
2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the Company or not? Is the Rose in league
with the Taken or not?
3- The Taken... are they just some really powerful and feared wizards or are
they something much more bizarre?
If you can help me out a bit- Thanks!
- -dan
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>Hi all- I'm a new Cook reader, and I'm
enjoying Black Company so far, but I've been confused for a while (I'm on
page
175). I was wondering if someone could straighten me out a bit? I'm not that
far
into the book but I seem to have missed a few things and its driving me
nuts. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>My questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>1- Who exactly are the Rebel? Are they
just
against the empire or do they work for Raker, or the Limper or
who?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>2- Is the White Rose an enemy of the
Company
or not? Is the Rose in league with the Taken or not?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>3- The Taken... are they just some
really
powerful and feared wizards or are they something much more
bizarre?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>If you can help me out a bit-
Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>-dan</FONT></DIV>
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series?
I mean do the 2 Cook series actually take place on the 'world'?
I seem to recall hearing about the fivrolocka guys in the Garrett
books (well one of 'em). It's also possible that one of the wars that
we hear about in the Black Company could be the Cantard from Garrett...
Dunno. Does anyone have any ideas one way or the other?
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:49:17 -0500
From: Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Help with the first book.
Dan,
Dangerous, asking questions about the book you're reading :) I'll see
what I can do that is likely to help your appreciation but not spoil
anything for you.
"The Rebel" is the what the BC calls anyone opposed to their employer,
the Lady--i.e., anyone rebelling against her extension of her Empire.
Organization is sketchy; we get glimpses of it, but not much more than
that. We're watching from the point of view of just one company of the
Lady's front-line troops, not people who are entirely in the know on the
political organization of The Opposition.
The White Rose is an enigma, a legend--and the name of the third volume!
So you can pretty well guess that she's going to play a Very Important
Role that you don't want to hear about before reading it in sequence.
The Taken are a bit more than "just some really powerful and feared
wizard", at least in reputation--they are legendary, names you frighten
children with. The fact that they are now returned *out of their
graves* (more or less) adds a great deal of extra horror to how they are
seen by the populace. Add in the fact that several (most?) of them are
Genuinely Weird if you meet them up close and personal, and you begin to
get a feeling for the kind of terror their very names strike.
How much do they live up to these reputations? Well, Soul-Catcher and
Limper certainly are enough to give anyone the heebie-jeebies. But the
only ones we get to see in detailsare those the Company runs into.
A Really Interesting question is this: Does every generation have
wizards comparable to those of the Taken? Or did the Dominator live
long enough to scoop up the Best and the Darkest over many generations?
I don't know that this is ever answered.
And just how often does someone like the Dominator--or the Lady--come
around?? Was there something in that era, several centuries ago, that
made it possible for that combination of raw talent, advanced
development of that talent, and unspeakable lack of humanity all to come together?
Steve
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:28:40 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) was: Help with the first book - contains spoilers
Steve Harris wrote:
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If you're just starting the books you don't want to read this. It
touches most (including the most recent) of the books.
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> A Really Interesting question is this: Does every generation have
> wizards comparable to those of the Taken? Or did the Dominator live
> long enough to scoop up the Best and the Darkest over many generations?
> I don't know that this is ever answered.
>
My view is that two of the Circle of 18 (Whisper and the General who
gets taken out during the battle of Charm) rank up there with the Ten.
Soulcatcher points out that Whisper is, and they need four Taken to
remove the General.
From what I can tell the age that saw the rise of the Dominator, Lady,
and Ten was an age of high magic and lore where those with talent got
trained, and the top twelve of the generation are all that survived.
How important is training? Look at a minor character in the second book
- - Whisper looks at her and says the Lady will be very interested in
her. She latter ends up as Shapeshifter's apprentice - and if her
mentor wasn't killed might have reached his level of power. Even half
trained she was someone who gave One Eye and Goblin nightmares.
And her talent was almost waisted. She could have died from hunger in
the slums of Jupiter, been knifed by a lover, or gone her whole live
without training.
> And just how often does someone like the Dominator--or the Lady--come
> around?? Was there something in that era, several centuries ago, that
> made it possible for that combination of raw talent, advanced
> development of that talent, and unspeakable lack of humanity all to come together?
>
I think so - that the culture was one of decadence where an ambitious
girl could drown her twin sister when she'd 14 and still achive power
(lack of humanity). That magical training was common, and gifted
students were sought out (combining the raw talent with advanced
training).
Then again, maybe it's just having near ultimate power. Look at
Soldiers Live.
You got a boy with power. He's on the edge of manhood, been trained by
several different people, but is more or less a good boy. Kind of a
nice guy.
A nice guy discovering that there may be no limit on his power. Dad
dies? Make the bastards who did it pay and pay and pay - and there's no
immediate payback. At some point he has to know that people know he did
it and they aren't doing anything about it because he's too useful to
the War. Or maybe it's that he's too powerful for them to stop? Maybe
they all secretly fear his power?
Talk about a head trip - and we're talking about someone who is nice to
start with, raised by those who knew he would be a power.
I'm pretty sure there's a point in Soldiers Live where the Lady puts the
temptation of power in words - think it was when they were discussing if
a certain nice guy's mother would drag her son's spirit into the lands
of the dead to stop him from going bad.
Richard
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:34:19 -0500
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
Richard,
Spoiler space for those just getting into the Black Company. This
letter includes discussion of "Soliders Live".
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I think of Soul-Catcher as Very Powerful, someone who would be extremely
fearsome out there in the world, if she actually had the ambition to be
a Ruler of a large domain. (Fortunately for the world at large, she
doesn't maintain any large ambitions; she flits with the wind.) Much
more powerful than just about anyone else we see, except from the
Shadowlands. (I'm not sure we ever see the Limper, for instance, ever
really do very much.)
But Soul-Catcher is supposed to be nearly as powerful as her sister,
probably more powerful than any of the other Taken.
Here's a supposition: Power really resides in being able to do what you
want *now*, as opposed to being able just to do stuff. One-Eye and
Goblin, for all that they say they're just pip-squeaks, really do some
amazing things--so long as they have a really long time to prep. Best
example is One-Eye's spear--he takes out a God, fer gosh' sake! Not
even Lady ever did anything as dramatic as that. (Well, there was help
with the exploding broomstick and all; but it's still damned impressive.)
Steve
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:11:01 -0500
From: "Jerry Higgins" <bones272@home.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Just curious
Does anyone know if Mr. Glen Cook reads this mailing list? If so, perhaps
he might do some stories of former Company members (and enemies) who simply
wandered off after one book or another or (more exactly) were never killed?
I'd just like to know....
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
> Richard,
>
> Spoiler space for those just getting into the Black Company. This
> letter includes discussion of "Soliders Live".
>
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>
> I think of Soul-Catcher as Very Powerful, someone who would be extremely
> fearsome out there in the world, if she actually had the ambition to be
> a Ruler of a large domain. (Fortunately for the world at large, she
> doesn't maintain any large ambitions; she flits with the wind.) Much
> more powerful than just about anyone else we see, except from the
> Shadowlands. (I'm not sure we ever see the Limper, for instance, ever
> really do very much.)
>
> But Soul-Catcher is supposed to be nearly as powerful as her sister,
> probably more powerful than any of the other Taken.
>
> Here's a supposition: Power really resides in being able to do what you
> want *now*, as opposed to being able just to do stuff. One-Eye and
> Goblin, for all that they say they're just pip-squeaks, really do some
> amazing things--so long as they have a really long time to prep. Best
> example is One-Eye's spear--he takes out a God, fer gosh' sake! Not
> even Lady ever did anything as dramatic as that. (Well, there was help
> with the exploding broomstick and all; but it's still damned impressive.)
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:51:10 -0400
From: "John C. DeSimone, Jr." <jdesimon4@home.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stacey Harris" <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
> Spoiler space for those just getting into the Black Company. This
> letter includes discussion of "Soliders Live".
>
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>
> Here's a supposition: Power really resides in being able to do what you
> want *now*, as opposed to being able just to do stuff. One-Eye and
> Goblin, for all that they say they're just pip-squeaks, really do some
> amazing things--so long as they have a really long time to prep. Best
> example is One-Eye's spear--he takes out a God, fer gosh' sake! Not
> even Lady ever did anything as dramatic as that. (Well, there was help
> with the exploding broomstick and all; but it's still damned impressive.)
>
> Steve
I think One-Eye and Goblin explained it to Croaker once. To paraphrase,
they said it was a matter of degrees, and the higher your degree, the more
you could get done at one time. So basically, they could do anything Lady
could, but it would take an impossibly long time. So essentially, you are
right. More powerful wizards can simply do more, and quicker.
Jay
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:48:27 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
Stacey Harris wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> Spoiler space for those just getting into the Black Company. This
> letter includes discussion of "Soliders Live".
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
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> .
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>
> I think of Soul-Catcher as Very Powerful, someone who would be extremely
> fearsome out there in the world, if she actually had the ambition to be
> a Ruler of a large domain. (Fortunately for the world at large, she
> doesn't maintain any large ambitions; she flits with the wind.) Much
> more powerful than just about anyone else we see, except from the
> Shadowlands. (I'm not sure we ever see the Limper, for instance, ever
> really do very much.)
>
I think she did have ambitions at one time, but lost them through an eon
long rivalry with her sister.
At the start of the Black Company book, she wants what her sister has
(the Empire).
During the Books of the South she wants what her sister has (Croker).
During the Glitter Stone series, at first she wants what her sister has
(rulership of the southern empire), but once she has it she doesn't know
what to do with it. Near the end she realizes she just wants / needs
her sister to be her mirror.
> But Soul-Catcher is supposed to be nearly as powerful as her sister,
> probably more powerful than any of the other Taken.
>
Among the top ones at least - but no one echoed the Limper's resilence
and his magic had to be the source of that.
Perhaps the Taken were the top wizards of different traditions:
Shapeshift the best of the wizards who used shapeshifting magic,
Stormbringer the best of the weather control wizards,
Limber the best of the war like / battle resistant school (maybe the
Hanged Man was one of those?),
Bonecrusher the best of the body enhancing school of magic,
etc.
If that was the case then the Lady and Soulcatcher's magic were the most
similiar.
> Here's a supposition: Power really resides in being able to do what you
> want *now*, as opposed to being able just to do stuff. One-Eye and
> Goblin, for all that they say they're just pip-squeaks, really do some
> amazing things--so long as they have a really long time to prep. Best
> example is One-Eye's spear--he takes out a God, fer gosh' sake! Not
> even Lady ever did anything as dramatic as that. (Well, there was help
> with the exploding broomstick and all; but it's still damned impressive.)
>
At one point there's talk of talents having an order of magnitude - that
it would take One Eye 10 or 100 (maybe a thousand) times the effort to
achive the same affect that the Lady could acomplish.
As for that spear - how many years went into it? How many with both One
Eye and Goblin working on it?
The Lady or Soulcatcher in their Prime could probably have swatted that
were leopard in an instant where they spent years to achive it.
That line of power that hits the Castle in Shadows Linger - that's power
when you need it.
Course, that's just my opinion.
Richard
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:55:29 -0500
From: "Lynn Sellers" <Lynn@Perfect-10.net>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just curious
I don't think Glen does computers.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Higgins [mailto:bones272@home.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 08:11 PM
To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (glencook-fans) Just curious
Does anyone know if Mr. Glen Cook reads this mailing list? If so,
perhaps
he might do some stories of former Company members (and enemies) who
simply
wandered off after one book or another or (more exactly) were never
killed?
I'd just like to know....
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Spoiler for "Soldiers Live" and other
> Richard,
>
> Spoiler space for those just getting into the Black Company. This
> letter includes discussion of "Soliders Live".
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> I think of Soul-Catcher as Very Powerful, someone who would be
extremely
> fearsome out there in the world, if she actually had the ambition to
be
> a Ruler of a large domain. (Fortunately for the world at large, she
> doesn't maintain any large ambitions; she flits with the wind.) Much
> more powerful than just about anyone else we see, except from the
> Shadowlands. (I'm not sure we ever see the Limper, for instance, ever
> really do very much.)
>
> But Soul-Catcher is supposed to be nearly as powerful as her sister,
> probably more powerful than any of the other Taken.
>
> Here's a supposition: Power really resides in being able to do what
you
> want *now*, as opposed to being able just to do stuff. One-Eye and
> Goblin, for all that they say they're just pip-squeaks, really do some
> amazing things--so long as they have a really long time to prep. Best
> example is One-Eye's spear--he takes out a God, fer gosh' sake! Not
> even Lady ever did anything as dramatic as that. (Well, there was
help
> with the exploding broomstick and all; but it's still damned
impressive.)
>
> Steve
>
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