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glencook-fans-digest    Saturday, February 10 2001    Volume 01 : Number 081




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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:06:26 -0600
From: "Horky, Roger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Croaker's magic ability

SPOILER ALERT
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Are we talking about the broomsticks used by the natives of Khatovar
(the incident that damaged the Khatovar gate)?

I don't think Croaker set the broomsticks off himself--he just took
advantage of the Khatovarans' tendency to remotely trigger the brooms'
self-destruct, much to their dismay.

- -----Original Message----

I know that Croaker used a minor cantrip to explode the flying logs.
It may be that he is not magically incline naturally but being around mages
so much,
he feels comfortable enough in some of it's principles to work very minor
magic.

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:28:01 -0600
From: "Horky, Roger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Sweet Silver Blues

Somebody suggested the next book we discuss should be SWEET SILVER BLUES.

Okay, I'll go first.

As the first book in a series, it's a good 'un--gets you hooked and wanting
to hear more about Garrett PI. TunFaire as a setting is captured well, as is
the historical/political setting of the Venageti/Karentine Cantard War. As
I've mentioned before, TunFaire is so well developed through the series that
most readers could probably get around town pretty well if they suddenly
found themselves there.

Introduces elements that keep throughout the series--kingpin, morley's joy
house/the safety zone, tinnie tate, other tates, old man weider,
dojango/doris/marsha, the hill, saucerhead, playmate, glory mooncalled, the
Cantard war--all the things we like about garrett, tunfaire, and Karenta.

The concept is wonderful--a sam spade-type detective in a fantasy world. "I
knew she was trouble the moment she blew through the door. She wore a dress
from the planet Kissme and carried a pair of dangerous-looking
thirty-eights. She also had a gun."  (Sophomoric sexist humor--sorry)

But the one thing I remember most about my first reading, almost fifteen
years ago, was wondering, "how did Garrett ever run into the Dead Man?"

Man! what a story that would be!

(Another question: "how did Garrett and Morley hook up?")

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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:21:58 -0800
From: Lee Childs <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) The Captain

I agree.  The Captain had to have had some small sorcerous tallent.  No other
non-magic user ever guided a magic carpet.  However, there were no other acts of
magic, real or implied.
Lee Childs
THE BLACK COMPANY page 60
"The Captain directed us into a forest.  While we pitched camp, he talked to
Raven."
"Curious.  There was a bond developing there."
"He was born in the Jewel Cities.  He was a professional soldier.  Something
overturned his personal life."  "He abandoned commission and titles and became a
wonderer.  Eventually he hooked up with our band of spiritual exiles."
SHADOWS LINGER page 251
"And not a word was spoken by any member of the Company.  For as that carpet had
torn through the rigging, we had all glimpsed the face of it rider.  The
Captain."
"But he had failed his personal goal.  He had died in the North."


PrimalChrome wrote:

> I was sitting at a red light on the way to work this morning when something
> popped into my head...
>
> Raven and the Captain were tight.  Croaker gets the feeling that they are
> kindred spirits.  Speculation is as follows :
>
> 1.  Educated
> 2.  Held military position either past or present (Raven under the
> Limper/Lady)
> 3.  Mid-high birth (this is an assumption based off the way the Cap's
> character is painted as well as the fact he is educated)
> 4.  Sorcerous training?
>
> #4 is what hit me.  All their time together, private conversations, etc...
> Raven never did openly display sorcerous ability until he displayed his
> knowledge while reading Bomanz's writings.
>
> The Captain never did display any ability.....except in a single situation.
> He flew a carpet.  Albeit poorly.  But he flew a carpet.  If I recall
> correctly, he's the only non-sorceror ever to fly one.  (flying sticks don't
> count as they appear to be magically embued mechanical devices)
>
> This was spurred by curiosity and has no real research to back it up, so
> feel free to shoot it down or support the theories as you see fit.  I'm just
> sticking a spoon in and stirring things up to see what settles out.
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:53:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Captain

In a message dated 2/8/01 10:22:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< The Captain never did display any ability.....except in a single situation.
 He flew a carpet.  Albeit poorly.  But he flew a carpet.  If I recall
 correctly, he's the only non-sorceror ever to fly one >>

This was quite an interesting point.  Never occured to me and now that you've
pointed it out, I'll have to look for more occurences whenever I go back and
reread TBC.   Perhaps the Captain had some really minor talent that he never
had to tap before, or it was more of an instinctive thing.

Donna

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:44:45 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Captain

I think the captain got a little bit of know how from watching whisper,
journey and limper fly. I'm not sure but i think that there was some minor
alluding to the idea of him catching on in Juniper, but it was in another
part of the series. The reference was very oblique though and it probably
can't be found unless you're constantly watching for it while you read the
whole series.
Joseph
- ----- Original Message -----
From: PrimalChrome <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:18 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) The Captain


> I was sitting at a red light on the way to work this morning when
something
> popped into my head...
>
> Raven and the Captain were tight.  Croaker gets the feeling that they are
> kindred spirits.  Speculation is as follows :
>
> 1.  Educated
> 2.  Held military position either past or present (Raven under the
> Limper/Lady)
> 3.  Mid-high birth (this is an assumption based off the way the Cap's
> character is painted as well as the fact he is educated)
> 4.  Sorcerous training?
>
> #4 is what hit me.  All their time together, private conversations, etc...
> Raven never did openly display sorcerous ability until he displayed his
> knowledge while reading Bomanz's writings.
>
> The Captain never did display any ability.....except in a single
situation.
> He flew a carpet.  Albeit poorly.  But he flew a carpet.  If I recall
> correctly, he's the only non-sorceror ever to fly one.  (flying sticks
don't
> count as they appear to be magically embued mechanical devices)
>
> This was spurred by curiosity and has no real research to back it up, so
> feel free to shoot it down or support the theories as you see fit.  I'm
just
> sticking a spoon in and stirring things up to see what settles out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:26:08 -0600
From: Matthew Cutter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OOP Short Fiction

> -----Original Message-----
>
> It might vary according to where the story is published.  I
> would assume
> that if the copyright is not still held by the publisher, it
> is held by
> Glen Cook.  In The Wind (in Space Dogfights anthology) for example is
> copyrighted to Glen and printed with the author's permission.
>  But Song
> From a Forgotten Hill (in Clarion anthology) is copyrighted
> to Worlds of
> Tomorrow (and who knows where the copyright has landed since
> then, assuming
> that Worlds of Tomorrow is no longer a corporate entity).

That's exactly what I mean.  Do the right to these stories
belong to Glen, or are they the property of the editor/publisher
of the anthology.  Funny; I just picked up a copy of Space
Dogfights, and that's what got me thinking about this.

> I've seen the stuff on Baen's free library and I agree with
> the sentiment,
> but for such publishing to happen, Glen would have to agree with the
> sentiment and moreover, I think he'd have to be convinced
> that free short
> fiction on the web would turn into book sales. With Mercy
> Toward None is
> the only Baen pub that Glen has that I know of and I believe
> it is also
> OOP.  Is anyone other than Baen trying out the free library idea.

Baen won't touch anything from an author who is not
theirs.  Their website says so, and I agree.  The Baen
Free Library exists to push Baen's stable of writers.

I wonder if publishing rights to short fiction could be
purchased.

I wonder if *electronic* publishing rights to short
fiction could be purchased...

> I am in the process of trying to collect the various short
> pieces as it is
> and it is slow going.

Pain in the butt, isn't it?  I don't have the time or
the money to track down everything.  That's why
I was thinking aloud about this.

> DG

- -Matt C.

Matthew C. Cutter
Support Analyst
Epicor Classic Support
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:29:56 -0600
From: Matthew Cutter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OOP Short Fiction

> -----Original Message-----
>
> i'd buy a published copy of collected strories if somebody
> published one!

So would I.  But I doubt there's enough of a market for one.

Hmm.  NEFSA does small print run, prestige hardcovers.
Their HC version of Shards of Honor by Lois McMaster
Bujold is fabulous.  I wonder if *they* could be approached.

- -Matt C.

Matthew C. Cutter
Support Analyst
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:56:03 -0600
From: David George <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OOP Short Fiction

- -----Original Message-----
From:    Matthew Cutter
Sent:    Friday, February 09, 2001 11:26 AM
To:    '[e-mail]'
Subject:    RE: (glencook-fans) OOP Short Fiction

[]  snip

I wonder if publishing rights to short fiction could be
purchased.

I wonder if *electronic* publishing rights to short
fiction could be purchased...

[] Almost certainly.  First place to start: does Glen Cook have an agent?
 If anyone knows who currently holds copyright on Glen's short fiction it
would be Glen himself and/or an agent.  next question would be how much for
the rights?  This is basically what NESFA would have to do if they
published a GC shorts anthology.

Frosting on the cake: getting Glen Cook to write short introductions,
nothing big, just a little color commentary, here's what was going on at
this time in life or here's what I wanted to do, etc.  More money for that
I suppose.  But as long as we're wishing, let's go for the whole pony.

Publishing short stories is typically the lowest end of the economic scale,
pennies a word.  Republishing may be a little different.  Also, Glen is
definitely a bigger draw than he was when the stories first went to press.
 Not sure what the electronic rights might be like.

There is always print-on-demand to consider.  I think this will be a big
deal in a few years, though I don't have any access to it at my local
bookstore yet.

 > I am in the process of trying to collect the various short
> pieces as it is
> and it is slow going.

Pain in the butt, isn't it?  I don't have the time or
the money to track down everything.  That's why
I was thinking aloud about this.

[]  Yes it is.  Especially some of those shorts published in magazines I
never even heard of.

> DG

- -Matt C.

Matthew C. Cutter
Support Analyst
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:35:41 -0600
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Sweet Silver Blues SPOILERS

SPOILERS
I agree,
SSB was a "good 'un". For any of you hesitant to read Garrett, this will
change your outlook. I avoided Garrett Books when I started reading GC. I
didn't like the idea or the concept. The covers turned me off. However, once
you read the first one, you'll want the rest. I haven't finished the series.
I have only read the first four. They were all very good.
There are enough side stories and interesting characters to make you wish
you wander off from your guided tour to find out how the rest of them lived.
I found myself wanting to hear about Morely and the Triplets more the
Garrett sometimes. Morley, who's part elf, isn't some shining super being on
the verge of being feminine due to his gracefulness and mannerisms. He's
ruthless and deadly with a certain honor and loyalty to his friends, albeit
sometimes a twisted loyalty.
In my opinion, this is Fantasy writing at it's highest level (just like BC
with a different tone). In GC fashion, none of the good guys are all good.
Anyone can die. You are supposed to like the bad guys. Hell Morely is a bad
guy. Sicking a vampire on some one for personal gain sounds pretty bad to
me, even if the guy is the head of the underworld.

Don
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Horky, Roger <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:28 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Sweet Silver Blues


> Somebody suggested the next book we discuss should be SWEET SILVER BLUES.
>
> Okay, I'll go first.
>
> As the first book in a series, it's a good 'un--gets you hooked and
wanting
> to hear more about Garrett PI. TunFaire as a setting is captured well, as
is
> the historical/political setting of the Venageti/Karentine Cantard War. As
> I've mentioned before, TunFaire is so well developed through the series
that
> most readers could probably get around town pretty well if they suddenly
> found themselves there.
>
> Introduces elements that keep throughout the series--kingpin, morley's joy
> house/the safety zone, tinnie tate, other tates, old man weider,
> dojango/doris/marsha, the hill, saucerhead, playmate, glory mooncalled,
the
> Cantard war--all the things we like about garrett, tunfaire, and Karenta.
>
> The concept is wonderful--a sam spade-type detective in a fantasy world.
"I
> knew she was trouble the moment she blew through the door. She wore a
dress
> from the planet Kissme and carried a pair of dangerous-looking
> thirty-eights. She also had a gun."  (Sophomoric sexist humor--sorry)
>
> But the one thing I remember most about my first reading, almost fifteen
> years ago, was wondering, "how did Garrett ever run into the Dead Man?"
>
> Man! what a story that would be!
>
> (Another question: "how did Garrett and Morley hook up?")
>
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