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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #75 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Tuesday, January 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 075 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:27:43 -0600 From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) Ray, Thanks for your summary perspective, too. So what's with the Vegemites, or whatever it is? (Vegamantic?) How do they figure into the TunFaire/Karentine war? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:33:58 -0600 From: Dave Roberts <daver@texoma.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) - --=====================_178747116==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:57 PM 1/22/01 -0600, you wrote: >Note that you mentioned that you were reading "Faded Steel Heat"...that's >pretty far along in the series and would explain why some of the recurring >characters and plotlines are blowing by you. I'll try to throw down some >background info without giving away too much information.... > >Garrett lives in the city of TunFaire which is one of the two great human >city/states (the other being Karantine). These two human dominated >behemoths are currently at war over a section of land called the Cantard >which is the single most source for silver. They have been struggling over >this land for three generations for no other reason than silver fuels magic. >All the great poobahs of the two citystates are sorcerors, so you can tell >why it's in their best interest to control the Cantard. If I remember correctly, Tunfaire is a city in the country of Karentia From Sweet Silver Blues Glory Mooncalled: Best all-around commander under Karentine colors. Excellent tactician. Able to train slowest and most uninspired men. Handicapped by low birth, mercenary status, and role in Seigod Mutiny while serving Venageti side. Weakness is a consuming hatred of Venageti warlords. So the two countries at war in the Cantard would be Karentia and wherever the Venageti are from. >The powers that be in TunFaire have a standing conscription law for all >human males when they hit 18. They then spend 5 years in the Cantard as >part of the Army, Navy or Marines. Rank is largely based on your social >status and birth. All the commanders (for both armies) were born to their >station and feel themselves infallible, hence the fact the war has never met >with a decisive conclusion. Non-humans are exempt from conscription, but >the powers off the hill begin relaxing that restriction as the series goes >on. Note that any male human character, no matter how fat or scrawny, in >the story has done his 5 and knows how to whip some major ass. This is a >major factor in most of the storylines but it tends to be glossed over in >many of the books. > >The Cantard is populated with non-human tribes. Unicorns and Centaurs come >to mind in particular. Unicorns being organized in small herds that >function much like a pride of lions....and they prey on anything that moves. >Centaurs are the whores of the Cantard, unscrupulous mercenaries known to >switch sides or betray their words in a heartbeat. They're cheap, so they >are generally used as auxillaries or scouts for both armies. Note that >there is a Merc general by the name of Glory Mooncalled (note he's a Centaur >and falls into the stereotype perfectly) that has a fair grasp of tactics >and a few cards up his sleeves....the fact that this is enough for him to >make fools out of the generals of both citystates elevates him to a level of >respect not touched by any other commander in the Cantard. More to this >story, but I'm leaving it out due to strong spoilers in the storyline. I don't recall any references in any of the Garrett books that would indicate that Glory Mooncalled is a centaur. >Due to the attrition of war on the male population of TunFaire, you end up >with the following: > >1. Females looking for a family have their work cut out for them. Males >outnumber females probably 10 to 1. This also results in men like Garrett >that don't really have a vested interest in settling down, so it makes it >easy for them to have a fairly long list of female friends. >2. Breeds are beginning to outnumber humans. >3. The powers on the Hill are whittling away at the things that make the >lesser classes respect them....hence the fact their powerbase is becoming >more unstable. > >TunFaire and Karantine were established by conquest over the bones of >non-human tribes and countries, way back when. Due to this fact the breeds >have banded together and formed their own sections of the city. The city >watch does nothing in othse areas to promote TunFaire Law....so they are >almost autonomous states within TunFaire itself. There is one section of >town cemeted around Morley Dote's "Joy House" that makes up the Safe zone of >the town....where any breed can meet to take care of business without >worrying about Chukos or other races killing them. There is also an >'imperial family in exile' that have been referred to in a couple of the >books. These imperials were apparently the previous rulers of TunFaire >before the Stormwardens and their ilk took over. > >As to the underworld, it's run by a boss that cycles throughout the series. >It has it's fingers in every dirty dealing in town and most of the people >you'll meet through the storyline are in some way involved....Garrett >included. The Tenderloin is an area of town for the most perverse >pleasures....once again an area of town protected from the inept city watch. > >Hope this gives you a general feel for TunFaire.... My spelling may be a >bit off, but it's fairly close. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stacey Harris" <harrissg@slu.edu> >To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:21 AM >Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) > > > > Richard, > > > > "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.' > > > > Aaack! I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case > > may be about! (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already > > encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out, > > and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little > > town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political > > faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.) > > > > And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape? Is it small towns allied > > together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's > > throats, nations against nations, or what? > > > > Steve > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. Dave Roberts daver@texoma.net A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire - --=====================_178747116==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> At 12:57 PM 1/22/01 -0600, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>Note that you mentioned that you were reading "Faded Steel Heat"...that's pretty far along in the series and would explain why some of the recurring characters and plotlines are blowing by you. I'll try to throw down some background info without giving away too much information.... Garrett lives in the city of TunFaire which is one of the two great human city/states (the other being Karantine). These two human dominated behemoths are currently at war over a section of land called the Cantard which is the single most source for silver. They have been struggling over this land for three generations for no other reason than silver fuels magic. All the great poobahs of the two citystates are sorcerors, so you can tell why it's in their best interest to control the Cantard.</blockquote> If I remember correctly, Tunfaire is a city in the country of Karentia From Sweet Silver Blues Glory Mooncalled: Best all-around commander under Karentine colors. Excellent tactician. Able to train slowest and most uninspired men. Handicapped by low birth, mercenary status, and role in Seigod Mutiny while serving Venageti side. Weakness is a consuming hatred of Venageti warlords. So the two countries at war in the Cantard would be Karentia and wherever the Venageti are from. <blockquote type=cite cite>The powers that be in TunFaire have a standing conscription law for all human males when they hit 18. They then spend 5 years in the Cantard as part of the Army, Navy or Marines. Rank is largely based on your social status and birth. All the commanders (for both armies) were born to their station and feel themselves infallible, hence the fact the war has never met with a decisive conclusion. Non-humans are exempt from conscription, but the powers off the hill begin relaxing that restriction as the series goes on. Note that any male human character, no matter how fat or scrawny, in the story has done his 5 and knows how to whip some major ass. This is a major factor in most of the storylines but it tends to be glossed over in many of the books. The Cantard is populated with non-human tribes. Unicorns and Centaurs come to mind in particular. Unicorns being organized in small herds that function much like a pride of lions....and they prey on anything that moves. Centaurs are the whores of the Cantard, unscrupulous mercenaries known to switch sides or betray their words in a heartbeat. They're cheap, so they are generally used as auxillaries or scouts for both armies. Note that there is a Merc general by the name of Glory Mooncalled (note he's a Centaur and falls into the stereotype perfectly) that has a fair grasp of tactics and a few cards up his sleeves....the fact that this is enough for him to make fools out of the generals of both citystates elevates him to a level of respect not touched by any other commander in the Cantard. More to this story, but I'm leaving it out due to strong spoilers in the storyline. </blockquote> I don't recall any references in any of the Garrett books that would indicate that Glory Mooncalled is a centaur. <blockquote type=cite cite>Due to the attrition of war on the male population of TunFaire, you end up with the following: 1. Females looking for a family have their work cut out for them. Males outnumber females probably 10 to 1. This also results in men like Garrett that don't really have a vested interest in settling down, so it makes it easy for them to have a fairly long list of female friends. 2. Breeds are beginning to outnumber humans. 3. The powers on the Hill are whittling away at the things that make the lesser classes respect them....hence the fact their powerbase is becoming more unstable. TunFaire and Karantine were established by conquest over the bones of non-human tribes and countries, way back when. Due to this fact the breeds have banded together and formed their own sections of the city. The city watch does nothing in othse areas to promote TunFaire Law....so they are almost autonomous states within TunFaire itself. There is one section of town cemeted around Morley Dote's "Joy House" that makes up the Safe zone of the town....where any breed can meet to take care of business without worrying about Chukos or other races killing them. There is also an 'imperial family in exile' that have been referred to in a couple of the books. These imperials were apparently the previous rulers of TunFaire before the Stormwardens and their ilk took over. As to the underworld, it's run by a boss that cycles throughout the series. It has it's fingers in every dirty dealing in town and most of the people you'll meet through the storyline are in some way involved....Garrett included. The Tenderloin is an area of town for the most perverse pleasures....once again an area of town protected from the inept city watch. Hope this gives you a general feel for TunFaire.... My spelling may be a bit off, but it's fairly close. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Harris" <harrissg@slu.edu> To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) > Richard, > > "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.' > > Aaack! I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case > may be about! (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already > encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out, > and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little > town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political > faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.) > > And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape? Is it small towns allied > together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's > throats, nations against nations, or what? > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <<a href="http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html</a>>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <<a href="http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html</a>>.</blockquote> <div>Dave Roberts</div> <div>daver@texoma.net</div> <div>A witty saying proves nothing.</div> <x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Voltaire </html> - --=====================_178747116==_.ALT-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:28:26 -0600 From: "Horky, Roger" <rhorky@trinity.edu> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Garrett & BC world? I have re-read GC books looking for hints that the worlds might be connected or shared and have never found any real indications of such. * * * * spoiler for anyone who hasn't read SOLDIERS LIVE (and shame on you! it's been almost six months!) * *** * Of course, the various gates on the Glittering Plain could conceivably connect the worlds of BC, Garrett, Tower of Fear, Dread Empire, and Swordbearer. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:33:40 -0600 From: "Horky, Roger" <rhorky@trinity.edu> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) The Venageti are the people agianst whom the Karentines are fighting. They are human apparently and have a medievla class system like Karenta (Glory Mooncalled was best commander but because he was not noble never got the credit he deserved, so he defected to karenta). No cassus belli was ever described but cynical old Garrett and everybody knows the struggle is really about who controls the silver (and gold) mines of the Cantard, since precious metals are needed to power the engines of sorcery. - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Harris To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Sent: 1/22/01 6:27 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) Ray, Thanks for your summary perspective, too. So what's with the Vegemites, or whatever it is? (Vegamantic?) How do they figure into the TunFaire/Karentine war? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:40:50 -0600 From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: The Vegemites (Was: RE: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)) The vegemites! Yer crackin me up, man! One of the tomes written in the past 24 may have answered this already but you are a little mixed up. TunFair is not at war with Karenta (there is no "TunFaire/Karentine War") TunFaire is the major city of Karenta. The Venageti are at war (for at least the first few Garrett books) with the Karentines, fighting over mineral rights in The Cantard. There is a whole bunch of backstabbing as time goes by but eventually, Venageta (Home of the Vegemites) pretty much drops out of the fighting. Could come back I suppose. DG PS: Vegemantic sounds suspiciously like a sexual-preference. Ever heard the Frank Zappa song "Call Any Vegetable"? "No one will know if you don't want to let em know No one will know unless it's you that might tell 'em so Call and they'll come to you shining and covered with dew Vegetable feet, vegetable feet, vegetable feet are responding to you Standing there shiny and proud by your side holding your joint while the neighbors decide Why is a vegetable something to hide?" - --Frank Zappa And that's about as far OT as a body can go. But please don't prove me wrong on that count. - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Harris Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:28 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) Ray, Thanks for your summary perspective, too. So what's with the Vegemites, or whatever it is? (Vegamantic?) How do they figure into the TunFaire/Karentine war? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:56:01 -0600 From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: (glencook-fans) That Rumor About Texas Way back when I joined this list (this sleepy list) someone floated a rumor past that the geography for the Garrett novels was based on Texas. Or maybe the Midwest. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Anybody got some reasons backing this rumor? And does anyone have maps (not of Texas, I got plenty of those) of Karenta/The Cantard/Venageta? I know we've got maps of the Black Co. world, cool and great and useful for gaming. But I gotta say that the Garrett universe offers a lot more to gaming enthusiasts. This is not ragging on BC, but it is a rare gamemaster who can pull off scenarios as heavy as BC, just my opinion not looking for endorsements of how great your BC game is. It's just that really heavy stories don't always make great games. Where is my neutral-greedy half-dark elf thief/assassin (with a thing for the ladies) going to fit in there? But lo, in Garrett's world, the aforementioned character is already part of the core cast. My guy would be a pale copy of Morley. Or perhaps a distant, undistinguished cousin of same. But: magic rich environments with lots of non-humans and cross-breeds and tons of scamming going on! Scamming is what a huge amount of the RPG's are good for. You accumulate loot, you accumulate weapons, armor, powerful friends and enemies, time to go into some business or scheme or other. And the characters have such variety. Yes there are heavy stories and heavy characters (Cold Copper Tears--brrrr) but there is lots of light-heartedness. And a very rich, well-described city environment for those characters to play in. It's a bittersweet world, which in my experience was always the best place for gaming. Time to romp, time to get drawn up short by serious events. In short, if you told me that the Garrett universe started as a gaming universe, I'd say "well, duh, it's perfect for it." And if it didn't start out as a gaming universe, well, it's still perfect for it. Does anyone have already have a map? Does anyone want to help make a map? Has Glen already sold gaming rights to anyone? Who would we call to negotiate them? How much would they cost? Am I getting ahead of myself here? DG ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:37:53 -0600 From: "Horky, Roger" <rhorky@trinity.edu> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) That Rumor About Texas I live in San Antonio, and used to live in Dallas, and have been all over Texas, and have never seen a connection between the geography of Texas and the Garrett world. I saw that earlier reference and dismissed it (although I thought about it). We know that TunFaire is a port, but not on a coast. You have to take a barge to the sea, a short distance down river. once at sea, If you sail south you get to Fair Harbor eventually, near the edge of the Cantard. I get the impression that the coast line curves southwest-northeast. The Cantard we saw in Sweet Silver Blues in mostly desert but Garrett keeps referring to swampy islands and (I think) jungle. Tunfaire is far enough north that wooly mammoths are seen nearby but not so cold that the thunder lizards are handicapped. the river runs north from TunFaire through forest and farmland. there are forests to the west. the nice estates of the rich folk are west (Marengo North English) and south (General what's his name) I believe (although Chodo Contague lives up north). a small number of other Karentine cities have been mentioned but the only one I can think of offhand is TenHagen where they make spectacles. there was an elven city far to the west but it was destroyed for harboring evil cults. none of this excludes Texas save for the river--not many long navigable rivers here. maybe the Brazos, but there is no major city on it near the coast. Houston is a major port 30 miles inland but it's built in a swampy area (Houston, Mexico City, Washington DC: three of the worst places in the world for cities) and doesn't have rivers but does have bayous (bayoux?). Besides, Venageta is "on the other side of the Cantard"--it doesn't have a shared border with Karenta, I believe--which would mean that if Karenta were Texas, Venageta would probably be central Mexico. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:49:58 -0700 From: "Amy Weathers" <raistlin@zianet.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) That Rumor About Texas and other Garret Stuff I was always under the impression that Glory Mooncalled was a centuar. Granted I have not read a Garret novel in the past five years and I do not currently own any so my memory could be way off and I have no way of looking it up. I had once heard some rumors that the Garret world geography was loosely based on Montana but I never really did any checking up on that. On the subject of roleplaying worlds, the Sanctuary gaming world (and the novels too) reminds me of Garret's world. They both have their own organized crimelords, thieves, beggars and 'good guy' rogues. Both worlds are also dark and have sorcerers causing many problems. When I first read some of the Sanctuary novels, they reminded me of the Garret novels. Amy ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett & BC world? > >I have re-read GC books looking for hints that the worlds might be connected >or shared and have never found any real indications of such. >* >* >* >* >spoiler > >for anyone > >who hasn't read > >SOLDIERS LIVE > >(and shame on you! > >it's been almost six months!) > >* >*** >* > >Of course, the various gates on the Glittering Plain could conceivably >connect the worlds of BC, Garrett, Tower of Fear, Dread Empire, and >Swordbearer. > Not to mention a Starfisher's planet, or perhaps even Turtle's world in The Dragon Never Sleeps. The Black Company takes on the Guardships. Whoohoo! ;-) OK, I guess it's getting late... Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:26:33 -0500 From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <tptaylor@genuity.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) Uhm....its like okay. Really. No, *REALLY* If you havn't read the book, its not a *huge* loss. and you can settle these things by simply emailing one another private like...no spoilers posted...no public self-flagulations...life moves on. <grin> tt > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joseph > McGrath > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:31 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Cc: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) > > > Oh No! Huge mistake! My Fault! > Eternal apologies! I spoiled something....! Even though it's too late.. > Please don't let what i wrote detract anyone from .....argh! > Stupid, stupid, > stupid. > Sorry, sorry > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) > > > > Ray Washburn wrote: > > > > > > > This is a much more complete explanation that I offered - perhaps it > > should go on a web pages titled "Setting for the Garrett books"? > > > > Richard > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:52:53 -0000 From: "Joseph McGrath" <jomcgrath@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C08511.7D823F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Females outnumber males 10 to 1, not a bad ratio.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Roberts=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) At 12:57 PM 1/22/01 -0600, you wrote: Note that you mentioned that you were reading "Faded Steel = Heat"...that's pretty far along in the series and would explain why some of the = recurring characters and plotlines are blowing by you. I'll try to throw down = some background info without giving away too much information.... Garrett lives in the city of TunFaire which is one of the two great = human city/states (the other being Karantine). These two human dominated behemoths are currently at war over a section of land called the = Cantard which is the single most source for silver. They have been = struggling over this land for three generations for no other reason than silver = fuels magic. All the great poobahs of the two citystates are sorcerors, so you = can tell why it's in their best interest to control the Cantard. If I remember correctly, Tunfaire is a city in the country of Karentia From Sweet Silver Blues Glory Mooncalled: Best all-around commander under Karentine colors. = Excellent tactician. Able to train slowest and most uninspired men. = Handicapped by low birth, mercenary status, and role in Seigod Mutiny = while serving Venageti side. Weakness is a consuming hatred of Venageti = warlords. So the two countries at war in the Cantard would be Karentia and = wherever the Venageti are from. The powers that be in TunFaire have a standing conscription law for = all human males when they hit 18. They then spend 5 years in the = Cantard as part of the Army, Navy or Marines. Rank is largely based on your = social status and birth. All the commanders (for both armies) were born to = their station and feel themselves infallible, hence the fact the war has = never met with a decisive conclusion. Non-humans are exempt from = conscription, but the powers off the hill begin relaxing that restriction as the = series goes on. Note that any male human character, no matter how fat or = scrawny, in the story has done his 5 and knows how to whip some major ass. This = is a major factor in most of the storylines but it tends to be glossed = over in many of the books. The Cantard is populated with non-human tribes. Unicorns and = Centaurs come to mind in particular. Unicorns being organized in small herds that function much like a pride of lions....and they prey on anything = that moves. Centaurs are the whores of the Cantard, unscrupulous mercenaries = known to switch sides or betray their words in a heartbeat. They're cheap, = so they are generally used as auxillaries or scouts for both armies. Note = that there is a Merc general by the name of Glory Mooncalled (note he's a = Centaur and falls into the stereotype perfectly) that has a fair grasp of = tactics and a few cards up his sleeves....the fact that this is enough for = him to make fools out of the generals of both citystates elevates him to a = level of respect not touched by any other commander in the Cantard. More to = this story, but I'm leaving it out due to strong spoilers in the = storyline. I don't recall any references in any of the Garrett books that would = indicate that Glory Mooncalled is a centaur. Due to the attrition of war on the male population of TunFaire, you = end up with the following: 1. Females looking for a family have their work cut out for them. = Males outnumber females probably 10 to 1. This also results in men like = Garrett that don't really have a vested interest in settling down, so it = makes it easy for them to have a fairly long list of female friends. 2. Breeds are beginning to outnumber humans. 3. The powers on the Hill are whittling away at the things that = make the lesser classes respect them....hence the fact their powerbase is = becoming more unstable. TunFaire and Karantine were established by conquest over the bones = of non-human tribes and countries, way back when. Due to this fact the = breeds have banded together and formed their own sections of the city. The = city watch does nothing in othse areas to promote TunFaire Law....so they = are almost autonomous states within TunFaire itself. There is one = section of town cemeted around Morley Dote's "Joy House" that makes up the Safe = zone of the town....where any breed can meet to take care of business = without worrying about Chukos or other races killing them. There is also an 'imperial family in exile' that have been referred to in a couple of = the books. These imperials were apparently the previous rulers of = TunFaire before the Stormwardens and their ilk took over. As to the underworld, it's run by a boss that cycles throughout the = series. It has it's fingers in every dirty dealing in town and most of the = people you'll meet through the storyline are in some way = involved....Garrett included. The Tenderloin is an area of town for the most perverse pleasures....once again an area of town protected from the inept = city watch. Hope this gives you a general feel for TunFaire.... My spelling may = be a bit off, but it's fairly close. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Harris" <harrissg@slu.edu> To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead) > Richard, > > "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.' > > Aaack! I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the = case > may be about! (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's = already > encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked = out, > and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little > town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every = political > faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.) > > And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape? Is it small towns = allied > together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's > throats, nations against nations, or what? > > Steve > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. Dave Roberts daver@texoma.net A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C08511.7D823F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Females outnumber males 10 to 1, not a = bad=20 ratio..</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From:=20 <A href=3D"mailto:daver@texoma.net" title=3Ddaver@texoma.net>Dave = Roberts</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com"=20 = title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 = 12:33=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) = Garrett=20 (was: dead)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>At 12:57 PM 1/22/01 -0600, you wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">Note that you mentioned that you were = reading=20 "Faded Steel Heat"...that's pretty far along in the series and = would=20 explain why some of the recurring characters and plotlines are = blowing by=20 you. I'll try to throw down some background info without = giving=20 away too much information.... Garrett lives in the city of = TunFaire=20 which is one of the two great human city/states (the other being=20 Karantine). These two human dominated behemoths are = currently at=20 war over a section of land called the Cantard which is the single = most=20 source for silver. They have been struggling over this land = for=20 three generations for no other reason than silver fuels = magic. All the=20 great poobahs of the two citystates are sorcerors, so you can = tell why=20 it's in their best interest to control the = Cantard.</BLOCKQUOTE> If I=20 remember correctly, Tunfaire is a city in the country of = Karentia From=20 Sweet Silver Blues Glory Mooncalled: Best all-around = commander under=20 Karentine colors. Excellent tactician. Able to train slowest and most=20 uninspired men. Handicapped by low birth, mercenary status, and = role in=20 Seigod Mutiny while serving Venageti side. Weakness is a = consuming=20 hatred of Venageti warlords. So the two countries at war in = the=20 Cantard would be Karentia and wherever the Venageti are = from. <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">The powers that be in TunFaire have a = standing=20 conscription law for all human males when they hit 18. They = then=20 spend 5 years in the Cantard as part of the Army, Navy or = Marines. =20 Rank is largely based on your social status and birth. All = the=20 commanders (for both armies) were born to their station and feel=20 themselves infallible, hence the fact the war has never met with = a=20 decisive conclusion. Non-humans are exempt from conscription,=20 but the powers off the hill begin relaxing that restriction as = the series=20 goes on. Note that any male human character, no matter how = fat or=20 scrawny, in the story has done his 5 and knows how to whip some = major=20 ass. This is a major factor in most of the storylines but = it tends=20 to be glossed over in many of the books. The Cantard is = populated=20 with non-human tribes. Unicorns and Centaurs come to mind = in=20 particular. Unicorns being organized in small herds = that function=20 much like a pride of lions....and they prey on anything that=20 moves. Centaurs are the whores of the Cantard, unscrupulous = mercenaries=20 known to switch sides or betray their words in a heartbeat. = They're=20 cheap, so they are generally used as auxillaries or scouts for = both=20 armies. Note that there is a Merc general by the name of = Glory=20 Mooncalled (note he's a Centaur and falls into the stereotype = perfectly)=20 that has a fair grasp of tactics and a few cards up his = sleeves....the=20 fact that this is enough for him to make fools out of the = generals of=20 both citystates elevates him to a level of respect not touched by = any=20 other commander in the Cantard. More to this story, but I'm = leaving=20 it out due to strong spoilers in the = storyline. </BLOCKQUOTE> I don't=20 recall any references in any of the Garrett books that would indicate = that=20 Glory Mooncalled is a centaur. <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">Due to the attrition of war on the male = population of TunFaire, you end up with the = following: 1. =20 Females looking for a family have their work cut out for them. = Males outnumber females probably 10 to 1. This also results = in men=20 like Garrett that don't really have a vested interest in settling = down,=20 so it makes it easy for them to have a fairly long list of female = friends. 2. Breeds are beginning to outnumber = humans. 3. =20 The powers on the Hill are whittling away at the things that make=20 the lesser classes respect them....hence the fact their powerbase = is=20 becoming more unstable. TunFaire and Karantine were = established by=20 conquest over the bones of non-human tribes and countries, way = back=20 when. Due to this fact the breeds have banded together and = formed=20 their own sections of the city. The city watch does nothing = in=20 othse areas to promote TunFaire Law....so they are almost = autonomous=20 states within TunFaire itself. There is one section of town = cemeted=20 around Morley Dote's "Joy House" that makes up the Safe zone = of the=20 town....where any breed can meet to take care of business=20 without worrying about Chukos or other races killing them. = There is=20 also an 'imperial family in exile' that have been referred to in = a couple=20 of the books. These imperials were apparently the previous = rulers=20 of TunFaire before the Stormwardens and their ilk took = over. As to=20 the underworld, it's run by a boss that cycles throughout the = series. It=20 has it's fingers in every dirty dealing in town and most of the=20 people you'll meet through the storyline are in some way=20 involved....Garrett included. The Tenderloin is an area of = town for=20 the most perverse pleasures....once again an area of town = protected from=20 the inept city watch. Hope this gives you a general feel for=20 TunFaire.... My spelling may be a bit off, but it's fairly=20 close. ----- Original Message ----- From: = "Stacey=20 Harris" <harrissg@slu.edu> To:=20 <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January = 22, 2001=20 1:21 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: = dead) >=20 Richard, > > "The cases are almost straight forward in=20 comparison.' > > Aaack! I'm halfway through, and I = have=20 only a glimmer of what the case > may be about! (I think = all of=20 two days have elapsed, and he's already > encountered 4 = former,=20 current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out, > and = discovered=20 virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little > = town--not to=20 mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political > = faction=20 to act as subversive agent in one of the other = factions.) > >=20 And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape? Is it small = towns=20 allied > together or fighting, German-style principalities at = one=20 another's > throats, nations against nations, or = what? > >=20 Steve > >=20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >&n= bsp;=20 To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this=20 list, > visit <<A=20 href=3D"http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html"=20 = eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html</A>&= gt;. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D To=20 unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this = list, visit=20 <<A href=3D"http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html"=20 = eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html</A>&= gt;.</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Dave Roberts</DIV> <DIV>daver@texoma.net</DIV> <DIV>A witty saying proves=20 = nothing.</DIV><X-TAB> </X-= TAB><X-TAB> </X-TAB><X-TAB= > </X-TAB>Voltaire=20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C08511.7D823F40-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #75 ********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.