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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:50:33 -0600
From: "Horky, Roger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) garrett

A couple of observations about the Garretr books in general:

1. I have often felt that one of the tests of a good fantasy book or series
is whether the reader feels at home in the environment. I think that I know
TunFaire very well. I know what parts to avoid, where to go for a good
vegetarian dinner, where to hire a coach or wagon, the names of its more
important citizens, &c.
The city is a character of its own, and every book we learn a little more
about it. Same goes for Karenta--the reader gets to know a bit about the
country's geography, history, and politics.
Of course, this attention to detail is one of the reasons (i would guess)
that we read  and enjoy Glen Cook's books so much.

2. the of girlfriends: Mr Cook tends to introduce new characters to his
various series with careless abandon. then he kills them off, often randomly
(think of all those generals in the dread empire series who got whacked by
arrows fired by nobodies). the garrett books are the only books that haven't
had a major character bloodbath yet. I would hate to see any of the main
characters die, but, I agree, some doors need to be closed. I can recall
only two 'major' characters dying in the series (won't mention them for
those yet to discover the series).

3. I think that the ever-evolving underworld power struggles, as well as the
venageti-karentine war, are truly awesome plot devices, as they make the
world come alive (see 1 above). if everything remained static, we'd have a
TV show or soemthing. But it does make it difficult to read the series out
of order. I have a friend who finally got around to reading Glen Cook after
hearing me praise the man forever. he started with "red iron Nights" because
nothing else was available. he enjoyed it very much but he did have trouble
with soome of the stories continued from previous volumes. I think most of
Cook's  book series are best read in order, but also acknowledge that
they're (strangely) hard to find nowadays.



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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:07:04 -0600
From: "Horky, Roger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) favorite garrett


In response to earlier postings about people's  favorite Garrett books:

My vote is:
anything but Petty Pewter Gods or Deadly Quicksilver Lies. Petty Pewter Gods
was  real disappontment. Deadly Quicksolver Lies just didn't sing. But i
enjoy rereading all of the others and am looking forward to discussing Sweet
Silver Blues with everyone.

has anybody ever commented upon the simialrity of plots of Cold Copper Tears
and Dread brass Shadows?


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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:24:38 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) garrett

"Horky, Roger" wrote:
>
> A couple of observations about the Garretr books in general:
>
> 1. I have often felt that one of the tests of a good fantasy book or series
> is whether the reader feels at home in the environment. I think that I know
> TunFaire very well. I know what parts to avoid, where to go for a good
> vegetarian dinner, where to hire a coach or wagon, the names of its more
> important citizens, &c.
> The city is a character of its own, and every book we learn a little more
> about it. Same goes for Karenta--the reader gets to know a bit about the
> country's geography, history, and politics.
> Of course, this attention to detail is one of the reasons (i would guess)
> that we read  and enjoy Glen Cook's books so much.
>

I'd have to agree here - but since the same areas aren't explained in
every book it can make it hard to jump in mid series.

> 2. the of girlfriends: Mr Cook tends to introduce new characters to his
> various series with careless abandon. then he kills them off, often randomly
> (think of all those generals in the dread empire series who got whacked by
> arrows fired by nobodies).

This is one of the things that makes Cook special.  Look at Mercy -
great character introduced in the fist chapter of the first Black
Company book.  Most writter don't put that kind detail into any but
their main characters.  What happens?  Mercy doesn't make it to the
Cynic's death.

There are countless characters that go that way - good, detained if not
developed, characters that die meaningless deaths.  Most authors kill
off detailed characters only is significant ways - but not Cook.  It
adds spice to the plot to know that random, meaningless deaths can
happen.  Compare that to most fantasy, where you know that X will
probably live until the last chapter of the book.

> the garrett books are the only books that haven't
> had a major character bloodbath yet.

The tone of the Garrett books are different from the tone of most of
Cook's work.  It's not dark, not gritty.  In Garrett we have a Hero -
someone with a dented heart of gold - something missing from most of his
books.

A blood bath wouldn't fit the tone of the books.

> I would hate to see any of the main
> characters die, but, I agree, some doors need to be closed. I can recall
> only two 'major' characters dying in the series (won't mention them for
> those yet to discover the series).
>

Garrett's problems is that there are too many loose ends - with his love
interests at the top of the list.  Yet, without a bloodbath, I can't see
how Cook can tie them up.  Maybe a mass marrage ceremony?

Cook could reduce the number of girls Garrett romances, but I can't see
how he could do it and Garrett's character not suffering.

> 3. I think that the ever-evolving underworld power struggles, as well as the
> venageti-karentine war, are truly awesome plot devices, as they make the
> world come alive (see 1 above). if everything remained static, we'd have a
> TV show or soemthing. But it does make it difficult to read the series out
> of order.

I have to agree.  Organizaed Crime should stay still, but like the
continuing social changes in TunFaire you need to follow the series to
understand it.

> I have a friend who finally got around to reading Glen Cook after
> hearing me praise the man forever. he started with "red iron Nights" because
> nothing else was available. he enjoyed it very much but he did have trouble
> with soome of the stories continued from previous volumes. I think most of
> Cook's  book series are best read in order, but also acknowledge that
> they're (strangely) hard to find nowadays.
>

I wish it wasn't strange.  Cook is not a best selling author.  His books
are not printed in big runs.  I'd guess that there's a formula
publishers use to set their print runs (number first book in series sold
* some factor) and the later books are published in lower numbers.

Best selling authors don't run into this.

Richard

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:21:39 -0600
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Richard,

"The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.'

Aaack!  I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case
may be about!  (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already
encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out,
and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little
town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political
faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.)

And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape?  Is it small towns allied
together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's
throats, nations against nations, or what?

Steve

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:52:46 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Stacey Harris wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.'
>
> Aaack!  I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case
> may be about!  (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already
> encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out,
> and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little
> town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political
> faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.)
>

That's because of the lose threads.

> And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape?  Is it small towns allied
> together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's
> throats, nations against nations, or what?
>

I'm not sure if someone else has answered this or not, but here goes.

Background:
The non-human types settled the area, then humans moved in and took
over.

In Garrett's Grandfather's time these two great powers went to war over
a silver rich area - silver being needed to power some types of
sorcery.  Whichever state won control of the mines would have a great
advantage over the other.  Various non-human types

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:24:08 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Ever been typing along and accidently hit cntr-enter (which is send on
my mail programs)?  Sorry about that.

Stacey Harris wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.'
>
> Aaack!  I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case
> may be about!  (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already
> encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out,
> and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little
> town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political
> faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.)
>

That's because of the lose threads.

> And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape?  Is it small towns allied
> together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's
> throats, nations against nations, or what?
>

I'm not sure if someone else has answered this or not, but here goes.
I'll leave it to others to map his girl friends and the mod
relationship.

Note - some spoilers (mainly about how the war goes).

Background:
The non-human types settled the area, then humans moved in and took
over.

In Garrett's Grandfather's time these two great powers went to war over
a silver rich area - silver being needed to power some types of
sorcery.  Whichever state won control of the mines would have a great
advantage over the other.  Various non-human types lived there, but no
human kingdom paid any attention to them other than using then as
mercenaries.
The non-humans can't really understand why the humans have been fighting
for so long - their wars usually end with one big battle and then
everything is settled for another generation.

To fight a war you need soldiers.  To get soldiers they have a draft
system.  Every male subject (humans - but others can join the army) of
Garrett's side has to spend 5 years fighting in the war.  Most don't
come home.
Of his family (Grandfather, father, brother) Garrett is the first one to
complete his tour of duty.  He's one of a handful of people in his unit
to survive.

In one book Garrett explains to a new character (Winger) that every man
walking down the street has survived 5 years of hell in the war - which
means even though they may not look like much each and everyone of them
knows how to fight and survive.

As the war goes on the central authority loses more and more power.
Almost all it's tax money is going to support the war, the great leaders
are dying in the war - Garrett points out in one book that there is
still a royal (or imperial - I forget which) family out there, but they
are irrelivant.  A bit like the world Larence Watt-Evert developed for
his Misenchanted Sword setting.
As the war saps the human's Kingdoms the non-human races slowly rise to
prominence again because they aren't getting themselves killed off in
the war.

In the first book of the series Garrett returns to the war zone to
deliver an inherence.  Three girls (Rose, Tinney, and an old flame) are
introduced here, and at least two of them become reoccurring characters
(can't remember if the other one shows up again - I think she's
mentioned in at least one more book).  He takes with him his old friend
Morely (may have spelled that wrong) who drags along the three brothers
(triplets with different mothers) to act as mules and additional
fighters.
As the series progresses, the war changes.  Some times it's good news
for Garrett's side, sometimes it's bad news.  This often impacts on
Garrett's live as wizards go to war or come home and the city reacts to
the latest news.  Some of his cases involve things connected to the war.

Spoilers......



.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

Garrett's side gets some incredable victories handed to them by a merc
General named Morning Glory who happens to be a centaur from the war
zone (who used to work for the otherside until they backstabbed him).
After victory follows victory Garrett's side is looking good - when
Morning Glory declares independance and says he's ready to take on all
sides.  Things look bad - there's talk of raising the tour of duty to 7
years and calling up the old veterans.
Then victory!  Garrett's side WINS!
Now that people's energy is no long devoted to the war (and there's a
bunch of returning soldiers wondering why these non-humans have all the
good jobs) internal politics raises its ugly head and a secret police
until starts up.  Post war stress builds.  Later a human first group
starts (with support from the soldiers) that ties to stage a coup (I
think this is in the last book).

Hopefully this helps explain the setting.

Richard

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:54:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Morning Glory was a centaur ??????????? This is not how I read it....
Igor

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Richard Chilton wrote:

> Ever been typing along and accidently hit cntr-enter (which is send on
> my mail programs)?  Sorry about that.
>
> Stacey Harris wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.'
> >
> > Aaack!  I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case
> > may be about!  (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already
> > encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out,
> > and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little
> > town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political
> > faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.)
> >
>
> That's because of the lose threads.
>
> > And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape?  Is it small towns allied
> > together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's
> > throats, nations against nations, or what?
> >
>
> I'm not sure if someone else has answered this or not, but here goes.
> I'll leave it to others to map his girl friends and the mod
> relationship.
>
> Note - some spoilers (mainly about how the war goes).
>
> Background:
> The non-human types settled the area, then humans moved in and took
> over.
>
> In Garrett's Grandfather's time these two great powers went to war over
> a silver rich area - silver being needed to power some types of
> sorcery.  Whichever state won control of the mines would have a great
> advantage over the other.  Various non-human types lived there, but no
> human kingdom paid any attention to them other than using then as
> mercenaries.
> The non-humans can't really understand why the humans have been fighting
> for so long - their wars usually end with one big battle and then
> everything is settled for another generation.
>
> To fight a war you need soldiers.  To get soldiers they have a draft
> system.  Every male subject (humans - but others can join the army) of
> Garrett's side has to spend 5 years fighting in the war.  Most don't
> come home.
> Of his family (Grandfather, father, brother) Garrett is the first one to
> complete his tour of duty.  He's one of a handful of people in his unit
> to survive.
>
> In one book Garrett explains to a new character (Winger) that every man
> walking down the street has survived 5 years of hell in the war - which
> means even though they may not look like much each and everyone of them
> knows how to fight and survive.
>
> As the war goes on the central authority loses more and more power.
> Almost all it's tax money is going to support the war, the great leaders
> are dying in the war - Garrett points out in one book that there is
> still a royal (or imperial - I forget which) family out there, but they
> are irrelivant.  A bit like the world Larence Watt-Evert developed for
> his Misenchanted Sword setting.
> As the war saps the human's Kingdoms the non-human races slowly rise to
> prominence again because they aren't getting themselves killed off in
> the war.
>
> In the first book of the series Garrett returns to the war zone to
> deliver an inherence.  Three girls (Rose, Tinney, and an old flame) are
> introduced here, and at least two of them become reoccurring characters
> (can't remember if the other one shows up again - I think she's
> mentioned in at least one more book).  He takes with him his old friend
> Morely (may have spelled that wrong) who drags along the three brothers
> (triplets with different mothers) to act as mules and additional
> fighters.
> As the series progresses, the war changes.  Some times it's good news
> for Garrett's side, sometimes it's bad news.  This often impacts on
> Garrett's live as wizards go to war or come home and the city reacts to
> the latest news.  Some of his cases involve things connected to the war.
>
> Spoilers......
>
>
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> Garrett's side gets some incredable victories handed to them by a merc
> General named Morning Glory who happens to be a centaur from the war
> zone (who used to work for the otherside until they backstabbed him).
> After victory follows victory Garrett's side is looking good - when
> Morning Glory declares independance and says he's ready to take on all
> sides.  Things look bad - there's talk of raising the tour of duty to 7
> years and calling up the old veterans.
> Then victory!  Garrett's side WINS!
> Now that people's energy is no long devoted to the war (and there's a
> bunch of returning soldiers wondering why these non-humans have all the
> good jobs) internal politics raises its ugly head and a secret police
> until starts up.  Post war stress builds.  Later a human first group
> starts (with support from the soldiers) that ties to stage a coup (I
> think this is in the last book).
>
> Hopefully this helps explain the setting.
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:57:48 -0600
From: "Ray Washburn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Note that you mentioned that you were reading "Faded Steel Heat"...that's
pretty far along in the series and would explain why some of the recurring
characters and plotlines are blowing by you.  I'll try to throw down some
background info without giving away too much information....

Garrett lives in the city of TunFaire which is one of the two great human
city/states (the other being Karantine).  These two human dominated
behemoths are currently at war over a section of land called the Cantard
which is the single most source for silver.  They have been struggling over
this land for three generations for no other reason than silver fuels magic.
All the great poobahs of the two citystates are sorcerors, so you can tell
why it's in their best interest to control the Cantard.

The powers that be in TunFaire have a standing conscription law for all
human males when they hit 18.  They then spend 5 years in the Cantard as
part of the Army, Navy or Marines.  Rank is largely based on your social
status and birth.  All the commanders (for both armies) were born to their
station and feel themselves infallible, hence the fact the war has never met
with a decisive conclusion.  Non-humans are exempt from conscription, but
the powers off the hill begin relaxing that restriction as the series goes
on.  Note that any male human character, no matter how fat or scrawny, in
the story has done his 5 and knows how to whip some major ass.  This is a
major factor in most of the storylines but it tends to be glossed over in
many of the books.

The Cantard is populated with non-human tribes.  Unicorns and Centaurs come
to mind in particular.  Unicorns being organized in small herds that
function much like a pride of lions....and they prey on anything that moves.
Centaurs are the whores of the Cantard, unscrupulous mercenaries known to
switch sides or betray their words in a heartbeat.  They're cheap, so they
are generally used as auxillaries or scouts for both armies.  Note that
there is a Merc general by the name of Glory Mooncalled (note he's a Centaur
and falls into the stereotype perfectly) that has a fair grasp of tactics
and a few cards up his sleeves....the fact that this is enough for him to
make fools out of the generals of both citystates elevates him to a level of
respect not touched by any other commander in the Cantard.  More to this
story, but I'm leaving it out due to strong spoilers in the storyline.

Due to the attrition of war on the male population of TunFaire, you end up
with the following:

1.  Females looking for a family have their work cut out for them.  Males
outnumber females probably 10 to 1.  This also results in men like Garrett
that don't really have a vested interest in settling down, so it makes it
easy for them to have a fairly long list of female friends.
2.  Breeds are beginning to outnumber humans.
3.  The powers on the Hill are whittling away at the things that make the
lesser classes respect them....hence the fact their powerbase is becoming
more unstable.

TunFaire and Karantine were established by conquest over the bones of
non-human tribes and countries, way back when.  Due to this fact the breeds
have banded together and formed their own sections of the city.  The city
watch does nothing in othse areas to promote TunFaire Law....so they are
almost autonomous states within TunFaire itself.  There is one section of
town cemeted around Morley Dote's "Joy House" that makes up the Safe zone of
the town....where any breed can meet to take care of business without
worrying about Chukos or other races killing them.  There is also an
'imperial family in exile' that have been referred to in a couple of the
books.  These imperials were apparently the previous rulers of TunFaire
before the Stormwardens and their ilk took over.

As to the underworld, it's run by a boss that cycles throughout the series.
It has it's fingers in every dirty dealing in town and most of the people
you'll meet through the storyline are in some way involved....Garrett
included.  The Tenderloin is an area of town for the most perverse
pleasures....once again an area of town protected from the inept city watch.

Hope this gives you a general feel for TunFaire....  My spelling may be a
bit off, but it's fairly close.




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stacey Harris" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)


> Richard,
>
> "The cases are almost straight forward in comparison.'
>
> Aaack!  I'm halfway through, and I have only a glimmer of what the case
> may be about!  (I think all of two days have elapsed, and he's already
> encountered 4 former, current, or maybe girlfriends, been knocked out,
> and discovered virtually a new species of "humanoid" in his little
> town--not to mention been invited by the heads of nearly every political
> faction to act as subversive agent in one of the other factions.)
>
> And just *what* is the geopolitical landscape?  Is it small towns allied
> together or fighting, German-style principalities at one another's
> throats, nations against nations, or what?
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:04:06 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

In article <[e-mail]> you write:
> Morning Glory was a centaur ??????????? This is not how I read it....

Hmmm.  Glory Mooncalled (!) is human, IIRC.

- -- _Faded Steel Heat_ SPOILERS --


















At least, IIRC he shows up as a fairly tired old guy in _Faded Steel
Heat_.

- --
David M. Meyer
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:08:50 -0600
From: "Ray Washburn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Glory Mooncalled is a centaur, that's how he convinced the Centaur tribes to
help him in the Cantard..  Garrett meets him later in the series as
well...which confirms the fact.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)


> In article <[e-mail]> you
write:
> > Morning Glory was a centaur ??????????? This is not how I read it....
>
> Hmmm.  Glory Mooncalled (!) is human, IIRC.
>
> -- _Faded Steel Heat_ SPOILERS --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At least, IIRC he shows up as a fairly tired old guy in _Faded Steel
> Heat_.
>
> --
> David M. Meyer
> [e-mail]
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:09:47 -0600
From: Matthew Cutter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) OOP Short Fiction

Does anybody know if Glen Cook still retains publishing rights
to his short fiction?  Since so many of these stories were
published in fanzine or serials, they're hard to get ahold of.

I think they would make excellent canidates for online
pulishing, in the spirit of Baen Book's Free Library.

- -Matt C.

Matthew C. Cutter
Support Analyst
Epicor Classic Support
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:54:19 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Glory Mooncalled is not a Centaur! He is a cynical, manipulative old man who
is wrung dry of all his secrets, by the Dead Man. The Dead Man takes control
of him at the end of Faded Steel Heat, from inside a huge beer keg, while at
Weider's Estate. Poor chuckles gets disilusioned at the petty aspirations of
Mooncalled and Tama Montazuma. After all, Mooncalled was Old Bones's hero
for a while and i think the truth only vilifies and justifies the sarcastic
opinion that Morley and the Dead Man have about Humans.
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> Glory Mooncalled is a centaur, that's how he convinced the Centaur tribes
to
> help him in the Cantard..  Garrett meets him later in the series as
> well...which confirms the fact.
>
>
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> > In article <[e-mail]> you
> write:
> > > Morning Glory was a centaur ??????????? This is not how I read it....
> >
> > Hmmm.  Glory Mooncalled (!) is human, IIRC.
> >
> > -- _Faded Steel Heat_ SPOILERS --
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> > At least, IIRC he shows up as a fairly tired old guy in _Faded Steel
> > Heat_.
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> > --
> > David M. Meyer
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:16:06 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Joseph McGrath wrote:
>
> Glory Mooncalled is not a Centaur! He is a cynical, manipulative old man who
> is wrung dry of all his secrets, by the Dead Man. The Dead Man takes control
> of him at the end of Faded Steel Heat, from inside a huge beer keg, while at
> Weider's Estate. Poor chuckles gets disilusioned at the petty aspirations of
> Mooncalled and Tama Montazuma. After all, Mooncalled was Old Bones's hero
> for a while and i think the truth only vilifies and justifies the sarcastic
> opinion that Morley and the Dead Man have about Humans.

Sorry - it's that I thought he was called a centaur in the early books
and didn't want to spoil anything for those who haven't read that book.

Richard

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:19:30 -0400
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Ray Washburn wrote:
>

This is a much more complete explanation that I offered - perhaps it
should go on a web pages titled "Setting for the Garrett books"?

Richard

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:26:44 -0600
From: "Vonder Haar, Peter C." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

 I can add it to the FAQ, slightly modified, if y'all agree it should go in.

 Pete

> -----Original Message-----
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> This is a much more complete explanation that I offered - perhaps it
> should go on a web pages titled "Setting for the Garrett books"?
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> Richard

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:31:12 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett (was: dead)

Oh No! Huge mistake! My Fault!
Eternal apologies! I spoiled something....! Even though it's too late..
Please don't let what i wrote detract anyone from .....argh! Stupid, stupid,
stupid.
Sorry, sorry
Joe
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> Ray Washburn wrote:
> >
>
> This is a much more complete explanation that I offered - perhaps it
> should go on a web pages titled "Setting for the Garrett books"?
>
> Richard
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:21:54 -0600
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Garrett & BC world?

Richard,

Thanks for the background on Garrett's world (though I didn't read past
your Spoilers warning).

This sounds like as nasty a world as that of the BC, in terms of
warfare.  I wonder if the sorcery is in any way similar?  Garrett speaks
of The Hill (where the local town magicians live) with mingled dread and
loathing, which is about what one would expect from the locals in the BC
universe, having to deal with such powers as those in The Circle (some
of them quite nasty).

I don't think I have seen anything that would put Garrett's world
clearly outside the BC world (though not necessarily in just the same
time frame as the BC books).  The level of technology seems roughly
similar, as does the level of political organization (though that's less
clear to me).  What I haven't seen yet is the political import of the
non-human species; is it possible that they can be roundly ignored by
the humans in most places, so that they may exist in the BC world but we
just don't every hear of them?

(Dread Empire is different:  There one national group that practises
sorcery in a big way, like nothing in the BC world.  Also, the portals
are a very important military, hence, geopolitical element, not existing
in the BC world or in Garrett's world.)

I wonder if Glen has ever considered doing more of a "straight" yarn
(not "hard-boiled detective" or pastiche of same) exploring the
convoluted geopolitics of Garrett's world.

BYW:  The Weider family and his mansion and brewery are very evidently
derived from the brewery families in St. Louis (Anheuser-Busch, Lemp).
Great fun seeing them playing a central role in comic fantasy :)

Steve

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