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glencook-fans-digest     Sunday, November 5 2000     Volume 01 : Number 051




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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:09:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin

Steve,

There's no argument about "Lord of Rings" being a Great Book,
I treasure Tolkien among the three greatest sf/fantasy masters there are
(guess who the other two are ? :) - Cook and Zelazny - in
my personal universe anyway :))) );
my argument was about Robert Jordan and the likes of him...
I would never put Jordan in the same sentence with Tolkien...
Oops, I just did...Just shows how futile my arguments are :)


Igor

On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Steve Harris wrote:

> Igor,
>
> I didn't say that characters can't develop and grow in High
> Fantasy--just that they are pretty well unalloyed in morality, either
> Good or Evil.  Gollum, of course, is quite clearly alloyed of two
> metals--but they don't intermix (as they do in Lady or Soul Catcher or
> Goblin), they come as virutally separate personalities.  And even so,
> Gollum is the least High-Fantasay-type character in Tolkien.
>
> (Boromir, however is another matter:  He *is* intermixed, in a way that
> Gollum isn't.  And yet, he still seems to me to fit the prescriptions
> for High Fantasy; maybe because he's a recognized Type, the Good Man
> with Too Much Pride and Ego?)
>
> That's not all there is to the distinguishment of High Fantasy from
> other fantasy; there's a good deal to be found in Leguin's _Languages of
> the Night_, where she points out that how the characters speak is pretty
> much a dead give-away.  Can you imagine Croaker speaking in Frodo's
> voice?  No one in the BC would listen to him!  Or Gandalf using
> One-Eye's habits of speech?  He'd never have been admitted to the White
> Council :)  This is part of what makes _Bored of the Rings_ such fun parody.
>
> It's not actually the formality of speech I'm referring to here, but the
> content of what people choose to talk about (i.e., the author chooses
> for us to overhear).  Lady speaks of her low opinions of everybody else
> and her general cynism, while Croaker goes on about his romantic
> fantasies for Lady or shares his very colorful frustrations with trying
> to Captain a couple of wizards with egos.  But you never hear a word
> from Strider on the worthlessness of those he's protecting or the
> frailties of those he's trying to work with--it just wouldn't be fitting
> to find that kind of consideration in the work.
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:15:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Passage At Arms (was:Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin)

Thank you, David, I didn't know that !
All I remembered was that Mr. Cook worked for GM assembling trucks or
something... Sorry for asking a question that was already answered
in the FAQ :)
Igor

On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, David George wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) comparison, Cook & Martin
>
>
> (snip)
>
> > I wonder if Mr. Cook has any kind of Navy experience, his description
> > of life on a space "u-boat" sounds amazingly realistic !
>
> (snip)
>
> GC served on a destroyer, among other places.  Which makes even more sense
> after you read Heirs of Babylon.  Details should be in the faq and also in
> the interviews on the web site.
>
> I agree with you about Passage, great read.  In part, the quality of Passage
> at Arms was what made it harder for me to get into the Starfishers
> trilogy--it is good, especially once you get farther into it, but I found it
> much easier to get into Passage.  The hardest part about Starfishers for me
> was probably the first 50 to 100 pages of the first book.  I was reading it
> wondering who is this guy and what did he do with Glen Cook?  I put it aside
> for a few years and then picked it up later and thought "Oh, wait, now I see
> it, this is not bad."  The second and third books are better still.  But
> Passage is the best of the bunch.
>
> DG
>
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:35:11 +0100
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Wizards in the Black Company saga

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    And saying a name isn't enought- u must say WHY you think that.


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