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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:32:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans)BC writing history was Re: Cook and Print on Demand

In a message dated 9/15/00 2:45:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> > "When he
>  > realized there was that mix up over the number of books he had sold he
>  > stopped work on the last book of a trilogy (_The Glittering Stone_,
>  > third book of the South) and moved on to other projects.
>  > He's had that rule since he counted the number of wasted hours he spent
>  > writing that unpublished Dread Empire book."
>  >
>
>  Cook thought he had a deal to write a trilogy (The Books of the South)
>  and a book to tie up loose ends (_The Silver Spike_).  I'm not sure of
>  what happened but there was probably confusion between Cook, his agent,
>  and his editor.  Maybe _The Swordbearer_ (listed as forthcoming in
>  _Dreams of Steal_) was the problem (3 Black Company books and a stand
>  alone?) - I don't know.

You are treading in some rather murky waters here, but one thing is certain:
There was NEVER a period when Glen stopped writing BC books.  The reason
there was such a long wait before the Glittering Stone books is because he
couldn't find the correct "voice" in which to tell the non-Croaker narrated
books.  He started and restarted these books MANY times before he found
Murgens voice.  He had even completed books at one point and just trashed
them because they didn't feel right to him.  Where do I get this information?
From Glen himself.  There MAY have been a contract dispute, I don't know, but
he never stopped writing BC books.  In fact this year he said that the period
since he finished Soldiers Live is the longest he has gone without writing BC
in over a dozen years.

Michael W Sweet

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:05:02 +0000
From: tslefman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans)BC writing history was Re: Cook and Print on Demand

I've been pretty lucky.  I started reading the Black Company novels a
few years back and have only had to wait for the novels after Bleak
Seasons was published.

Still looking for Garrett novels, DE, and Starfishers.  Someday...


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/15/00 2:45:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> > > "When he
> >  > realized there was that mix up over the number of books he had sold he
> >  > stopped work on the last book of a trilogy (_The Glittering Stone_,
> >  > third book of the South) and moved on to other projects.
> >  > He's had that rule since he counted the number of wasted hours he spent
> >  > writing that unpublished Dread Empire book."
> >  >
> >
> >  Cook thought he had a deal to write a trilogy (The Books of the South)
> >  and a book to tie up loose ends (_The Silver Spike_).  I'm not sure of
> >  what happened but there was probably confusion between Cook, his agent,
> >  and his editor.  Maybe _The Swordbearer_ (listed as forthcoming in
> >  _Dreams of Steal_) was the problem (3 Black Company books and a stand
> >  alone?) - I don't know.
>
> You are treading in some rather murky waters here, but one thing is certain:
> There was NEVER a period when Glen stopped writing BC books.  The reason
> there was such a long wait before the Glittering Stone books is because he
> couldn't find the correct "voice" in which to tell the non-Croaker narrated
> books.  He started and restarted these books MANY times before he found
> Murgens voice.  He had even completed books at one point and just trashed
> them because they didn't feel right to him.  Where do I get this information?
> >From Glen himself.  There MAY have been a contract dispute, I don't know, but
> he never stopped writing BC books.  In fact this year he said that the period
> since he finished Soldiers Live is the longest he has gone without writing BC
> in over a dozen years.
>
> Michael W Sweet
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:38:58 -0500
From: Dave Roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

At 01:10 AM 9/9/00 -0400, [e-mail] wrote

>So I am 30, male, single, make around $25,000, live in the midwest (US for
>those...),
>been reading Cook for two years, but I get the feeling that I am probably one
>of the
>oldest people on this list. While my sex insures that I am with the majority,
>I somehow
>get an impression few of those out there are employed fulltime or are as old
>as me
>(somehow I have no problem reconciling singleness with being a Cook reader).
>Anyway,
>just wondering how many others are in my demographic.
>
>christopher....
>
>p.s. if your weren't old enough to see Star Wars in the theater the first
>time you're
>not in the demographic.
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Well, I'm 36, live in northeastern Texas, and have been reading Cook since
1986.  I bought several paperbacks to take along when the Marine squadron I
was attached to went on West-Pac '86 (aboard the USS Tarawa).  One of those
paperbacks was Shadows Linger, the others I don't remember.  On a side
note, I enjoy the Garrett novels as much as the Black Company series
(although the last three Garrett novels weren't up to par with the first
six, imho).

I didn't get to see Star Wars in the theater until 1982 - chalk that one up
to the beliefs of the church I was brought up in - no unnecessary
associating with the heathen and all that rot, which meant, among other
things, no movies.



Dave Roberts
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A witty saying proves nothing.
            Voltaire


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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:47:36 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: Soulcatcher

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I think I remember reading something like "the different voices she uses =
are rumored to be the souls she's stolen."  That's a lot different than =
saying she got the souls of those she killed...quite a bit different in =
fact.  Someone said this already, but I agree that it probably involved =
more of a time consuming ritual rather than simply killing someone...

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:37:35 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Cook and Print on Demand

Steve Harris wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> What is this fascinating publishing history you're referring to?
>
> "When he
> realized there was that mix up over the number of books he had sold he
> stopped work on the last book of a trilogy (_The Glittering Stone_,
> third book of the South) and moved on to other projects.
> He's had that rule since he counted the number of wasted hours he spent
> writing that unpublished Dread Empire book."
>

Cook thought he had a deal to write a trilogy (The Books of the South)
and a book to tie up loose ends (_The Silver Spike_).  I'm not sure of
what happened but there was probably confusion between Cook, his agent,
and his editor.  Maybe _The Swordbearer_ (listed as forthcoming in
_Dreams of Steal_) was the problem (3 Black Company books and a stand
alone?) - I don't know.

His publisher saw it as a three book deal:
_Shadow Games_ (first book)
_The Silver Spike_ (second book)
_Dreams of Steal_ (third book)

So _Glitter Stone_ (conclusion of the Books of the South) wasn't
covered.  _Dreams of Steal_ was put out in 1990... Followed by a long,
long wait.
When Cook realized the mistake he stopped work on _Glitter Stone_.
Years later, when the publish thought there was interest enough to
publish more Black Company books he went back to the unfinished draft
and the notes he'd made.

Waiting for _Glitter Stone_ was hard, but worth it.  If there hadn't
been that mix up the four _Glitter Stone_ books would have been one
novel.

Richard

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:37:43 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Cook and Print on Demand

Tim McDowell wrote:
>
>     You arguements could very well be correct. But may I present some thing;
> as an example, that could take this in a different direction.
>     While following links one day, I stumbled onto the following site.
>
> http://www.classicbookshelf.com/
>
>     Now I don't know enough about it to put forward an opinion, but could
> something like what was done at this site be possible?
>

It looks like an ad drive version of Project Gluntenburg - books whose
copyrights have expired offered for free.  I can't see Cook giving away
his backlist here.
One of the problem with ebooks (at the moment at least) is making sure
each copy is paid for.

>     Just a thought. Have a great day and enjoy the olympics.
>

Just an off topic note:
CBC television (a Canadian channel) is doing live broadcasts of the
events as well as repeating them later in the day.  If you live in the
northern US there's a good chance you can pick up CBC and watch the
events live rather than with a 10 hour delay.

Richard

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:37:38 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL Dangling threads (Spoilers)

Igor Filippov wrote:
>
> To follow the spirit of the series it would seem more appropriate for
> Tobo to become a bad guy (Dominator scale), who will have  to be killed
> either by Croaker's adopted or natural daughter(s)
>

I think his dead relative may stop it, but that is just my opinion...

> Richard, why are you always call Croaker "crocker" ?
> Just out of curiosity - I stumble upon this typo over and over again...
>

Hmmm...
Well, I'd have to say it's because I'm not the world's best and usually
forget to spell check.  When I'm typing fast I often find myself making
the same spelling mistake over and over again.  I'm not sure why - as
Bush said recently I've never been diagnosed with a disability - but
it's something I find myself doing with surprising frenquency.  I've
also noticed that if something is mispelled in an email I'm replying to
I'll use the same mispelling.  I guess I subconsciously glance at what's
on the screen and use that spelling.

Sorry - I'll try to watch it in the future.

Richard

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:22:29 -0700
From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: (demographics)

Tim McDowell wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: (demographics)
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > Hmm, did I miss something?  I thought I was the oldest reporting in thus
> > far, at 49.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>     And I'm right behind you at 48.
>         Tim

right grandpa's us under 45's are giggling at ya.....

Pat
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:14:02 -0500
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Out Of Print

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Hi all,
For those of you who say there is no way to get out of print GC books =
from anywhere but the net, I give you this. I went into a local =
bookstore today on a whim. Just to see if they had any GC that I didn't. =
Well, they didn't have anything I needed but they did have this. =
Shadowline, A Shadow of All Night Falling, and Passage at arms. I went =
ahead and picked them up to maybe start new series collections and sell =
them to you all cheap. The Grand Total for all three was... $2.16. Go to =
your local used book stores... now!

Don=20
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those of you who say there is no =
way to get out=20
of print GC books from anywhere but the net, I give you this. I went =
into a=20
local bookstore today on a whim. Just to see if they had any GC that I =
didn't.=20
Well, they didn't have anything I needed but they did have this. =
Shadowline, A=20
Shadow of All Night Falling, and Passage at arms. I went ahead and =
picked them=20
up to maybe start new series collections and sell them to you all cheap. =
The=20
Grand Total for all three was... $2.16. Go to your local used book =
stores...=20
now!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Don <BR>"In time, what's deserved =
always gets=20
served."- COC</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:46:13 -0500
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) BC threads that should have been wrapped up SPoilers

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I was thinking to myself. What old issues were left unresolved at the =
apparent end of tBC. Do you all remember when one of the wizards (Goblin =
or One Eye) mentioned that they didn't know what Kina was but they were =
pretty sure that the facade portrayed was not her real physical aspect. =
I got the feeling she was more of some Bad Ass left over from the =
plains' history that got shafted and imprisoned. Kind of like the thing =
under Old Father Tree. I would like to know what she really was. I don't =
by the goddess bit. The rest of the books clung too much to the belief =
that religion was for the disillusioned.=20
I really wanted to hear more about Uncle Doj and the Nue Buano (sp). I =
kept waiting for them to open up and embrace the Stone Soldiers. It was =
kind of cool that they didn't but still. All we ever heard was how every =
thing Uncle said could be total BS.=20
What was up Blade's ass about priests anyway?=20
I did like that Taglios got hammered at the end. I think I speak for a =
great majority when I say there was nothing redeeming about that city. =
When the Limper went through the cities of the North like a scythe I =
felt a sense of loss. When Taglios got stomped I was up for killing them =
all and let Kina sort them out.
These are just my opinions feel free to tear them down.

Don=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was thinking to myself. What old =
issues were left=20
unresolved at the apparent end of tBC. Do you all remember when one of =
the=20
wizards (Goblin or One Eye) mentioned that they didn't know what Kina =
was but=20
they were pretty sure that the facade portrayed was not her real =
physical=20
aspect. I got the feeling she was more of some Bad Ass left over from =
the=20
plains' history that got shafted and imprisoned. Kind of like the thing =
under=20
Old Father Tree. I would like to know what she really was. I don't by =
the=20
goddess bit. The rest of the books clung too much to the belief that =
religion=20
was for the disillusioned. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really wanted to hear more about =
Uncle Doj and=20
the Nue Buano (sp). I kept waiting for them to open up and embrace the =
Stone=20
Soldiers. It was kind of cool that they didn't but still. All we ever =
heard was=20
how every thing Uncle said could be total BS. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What was up Blade's ass about priests =
anyway?=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did like that Taglios got hammered at =
the end. I=20
think I speak for a great majority when I say there was nothing =
redeeming about=20
that city. When the Limper went through the cities of the North like a =
scythe I=20
felt a sense of loss. When Taglios got stomped I was up for killing them =
all and=20
let Kina sort them out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are just my opinions feel free to =
tear them=20
down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Don <BR>"In time, what's deserved =
always gets=20
served."- COC</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:50:45 -0700
From: Dustin A Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Out Of Print

Good for you Don.  Three days ago I picked up The Dragon Never Sleeps,
The Fire in His Hands, and the entire Darkwar trilogy for only 6 bucks.
I just felt like walking into a local bookstore and there they were.
Every once in a while you can find something great in a place you don't
expect.  Good luck to everyone else out there.

                            Dustin

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