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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:09:23 -0500
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Hi, all,

"The Taken are some of the most brilliant villains ever conceived of for
a fantasy setting."

I agree (with referece, at least, to Soulcatcher and the Limper--the
others are not drawn only a bit, such as Shapeshifter and Howler, or not
at all).

The obvious comparison (in my mind) is with Robert Jordan's bunch of
villains, the Forsaken (from the Wheel of Time series--I call it the
Dragon Reborn series).  Same sort of set-up:  Sorcerous baddies from a
previous era were put down in the ground by the last of the Big-time
Heroes of that age; and now they're starting to wake up and wreak havoc
in the present age, though without a lot of aid from their Chieftain,
who is still (somewhat) bound.

Jordan has spent about 8 very long books so far on his story-line, all
set in pretty much the same world and spanning only a few years thus
far.  This has given him range to develop some of the Forsaken into
engaging personalities (notably Lanfear and Asmodeus).

Any opinions on Jordan's success in creating an atmosphere of both dread
and peronsal interest around his baddies, vs. Cook's?

- -------

I still think no one has the wonderfully evocative imagery of sorcerous
battles  (from petty duels to major battle magics) that Cook displays,
especially in the Books of the North.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:17:17 -0500
From: "Wright Frazier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Cook does it better.  I like jordan, but the book where half of the 500
pages were of Braid Tugger (nynaeve) and Sniffer (Elayne) were on a damn
wagon just disgusted me.  It marked a HUGE down turn in his writing, he's to
concerned with the trivial stuff.

I MUCH prefer Cook's approach.  The villans are much more villaneous.  These
are dispiciable people, and their nastiness is enhanced by the less than
thorough reporting of them.  The Taken are mysterious and vile and utterly
evil.  The Forsaken are just naughty with no mystery too'em.

I like the unknown qualities in my villans.

Wright

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stacey Harris" <[e-mail]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:09 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)


> Hi, all,
>
> "The Taken are some of the most brilliant villains ever conceived of for
> a fantasy setting."
>
> I agree (with referece, at least, to Soulcatcher and the Limper--the
> others are not drawn only a bit, such as Shapeshifter and Howler, or not
> at all).
>
> The obvious comparison (in my mind) is with Robert Jordan's bunch of
> villains, the Forsaken (from the Wheel of Time series--I call it the
> Dragon Reborn series).  Same sort of set-up:  Sorcerous baddies from a
> previous era were put down in the ground by the last of the Big-time
> Heroes of that age; and now they're starting to wake up and wreak havoc
> in the present age, though without a lot of aid from their Chieftain,
> who is still (somewhat) bound.
>
> Jordan has spent about 8 very long books so far on his story-line, all
> set in pretty much the same world and spanning only a few years thus
> far.  This has given him range to develop some of the Forsaken into
> engaging personalities (notably Lanfear and Asmodeus).
>
> Any opinions on Jordan's success in creating an atmosphere of both dread
> and peronsal interest around his baddies, vs. Cook's?
>
> -------
>
> I still think no one has the wonderfully evocative imagery of sorcerous
> battles  (from petty duels to major battle magics) that Cook displays,
> especially in the Books of the North.
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:35 -0400
From: A Durston <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Spoilers] Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Spoiler Space ==




























I think the Cliff Notes version of Jordan's books will be
eminently more readable. :)

Side Note: SL feels like those old Marvel comics when
the cover said "In this issue - Everybody Dies!!"

Ciao,
Andrew

Wright Frazier wrote:
>
> Cook does it better.  I like jordan, but the book where half of the 500
> pages were of Braid Tugger (nynaeve) and Sniffer (Elayne) were on a damn
> wagon just disgusted me.  It marked a HUGE down turn in his writing, he's to
> concerned with the trivial stuff.
>
> I MUCH prefer Cook's approach.  The villans are much more villaneous.  These
> are dispiciable people, and their nastiness is enhanced by the less than
> thorough reporting of them.  The Taken are mysterious and vile and utterly
> evil.  The Forsaken are just naughty with no mystery too'em.
>
> I like the unknown qualities in my villans.
>
> Wright
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:31:05 -0500
From: "Jamison Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Wright Frazier wrote:
> Cook does it better.  I like jordan, but the book where half of the 500
> pages were of Braid Tugger (nynaeve) and Sniffer (Elayne) were on a damn
> wagon just disgusted me.  It marked a HUGE down turn in his writing, >he's to concerned with the trivial stuff.

ROFL!
I agree 100%, Jordan's idea of developing a character is to give them
one trait, and then have them repeat it thousands of times.

Cook does a much better job of developing characters, look at Goblin and
One-eye, silent, croaker, lady, soulcatcher, almost every character that
is vital to the story, Cook gives them personality, and in most
characters we are given a tidbit or two of their history and what made
them who they are.  After reading the books I care about Cook's
characters.

I'm personally rooting for the Forsaken, I would love to read wholesale
slaughter of the main characters in WOT.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:57:03 -0600
From: Matthew Roche <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

ROFL?

<snip>
>he's to concerned with the trivial stuff.

ROFL!
I agree 100%, Jordan's idea of developing a character is to give them
one trait, and then have them repeat it thousands of times.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

- --- Stacey Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:
> The obvious comparison (in my mind) is with Robert Jordan's bunch of
> villains, the Forsaken (from the Wheel of Time series--I call it the
> Dragon Reborn series).  Same sort of set-up:  Sorcerous baddies from a
> previous era were put down in the ground by the last of the Big-time
> Heroes of that age; and now they're starting to wake up and wreak havoc
> in the present age, though without a lot of aid from their Chieftain,
> who is still (somewhat) bound.
>
> Jordan has spent about 8 very long books so far on his story-line, all
> set in pretty much the same world and spanning only a few years thus
> far.  This has given him range to develop some of the Forsaken into
> engaging personalities (notably Lanfear and Asmodeus).
>
> Any opinions on Jordan's success in creating an atmosphere of both dread
> and peronsal interest around his baddies, vs. Cook's?
>
I'd give more credit to Cook, myself, at least as regards the atmosphere of
dread.  He did a better job of establishing the Taken [and Lady] as villains in
Black Company than I feel that Jordan has done in his 8 volumes.

This may in part be because The Taken work so openly; whereas the Forsaken feel
compelled to hide their identities.  But a lot of it has to do with the main
characters.

Your main characters are often a measuring stick for the power level of your
villains.  In the Wheel of Time, Rand is a match for any one of the Forsaken by
about the third or fourth book, if not earlier; and the ladies also prove
capable of dealing with one. Whereas it is established early and frequently
reinforced that none of the company are at all the equal of any of the Taken;
indeed, that even collectively the company might be unable to defeat a Taken in
battle.  IIRC, the only Taken "killed" by anyone other than another Taken
[possibly excepting SL, which I have yet to read] are killed only after they
have completely exhausted themselves in a sorcerous duel, or [in the case of
the Limper] after an ungodly extreme amount of effort.

As for establishing unique characters for the villains and creating interest in
them... Jordan may have spent more time on them, but I found Lady, Soulcatcher
& The Limper more interesting as villains than any of the Forsaken.  A good
measure is this: if pressed, I can name all but perhaps one of the Taken
without any reference sources, but would be lucky to name 3 Forsaken, even
though it's been a couple of years since I last re-read Black Company, and only
a month since I last read the latest WOT book.


Craig

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:40:44 EDT
From: "Holy Paladin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished

SPOILER



Hey eric was it mentioned wether or not Croaker/Guardian has the daggers
placed through and around his body. And if he didn't couldn't just walk off
the plain, leave the rest to the nef and joing the BC physically. If he had
the power ove shiveta couldn't like shapeshift or something inot his old
appearance and size and continue the journey with the BC.

Well its something to think about but im probably full of it and she
probably couldn't even fit through the gate.


one more thing, what exactly was the meaning of the Noose, that supposed to
be special constellation
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:41:53 EDT
From: "Holy Paladin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished

SPOILER



Hey eric was it mentioned wether or not Croaker/Guardian has the daggers
placed through and around his body. And if he didn't couldn't just walk off
the plain, leave the rest to the nef and joing the BC physically. If he had
the power of shiveta couldn't like shapeshift or something into his old
appearance and size and continue the journey with the BC.

Well its something to think about but im probably full of it and he probably
couldn't even fit through the gate.


one more thing, what exactly was the meaning of the Noose, that supposed to
be special constellation
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:48:20 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished

Croaker switched places with shivetya (the guardian)...but I don't think
anything was physically changed.  So I'm pretty sure croaker is stuck inside
the guardian who is still stuck to the throne with the daggers.

JR


>
> SPOILER
>
>
>
> Hey eric was it mentioned wether or not Croaker/Guardian has the daggers
> placed through and around his body. And if he didn't couldn't just walk
off
> the plain, leave the rest to the nef and joing the BC physically. If he
had
> the power of shiveta couldn't like shapeshift or something into his old
> appearance and size and continue the journey with the BC.
>
> Well its something to think about but im probably full of it and he
probably
> couldn't even fit through the gate.
>
>
> one more thing, what exactly was the meaning of the Noose, that supposed
to
> be special constellation
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:36:02 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Stacey Harris wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> "The Taken are some of the most brilliant villains ever conceived of for
> a fantasy setting."
>
> I agree (with referece, at least, to Soulcatcher and the Limper--the
> others are not drawn only a bit, such as Shapeshifter and Howler, or not
> at all).
>
> The obvious comparison (in my mind) is with Robert Jordan's bunch of
> villains, the Forsaken (from the Wheel of Time series--I call it the
> Dragon Reborn series).  Same sort of set-up:  Sorcerous baddies from a
> previous era were put down in the ground by the last of the Big-time
> Heroes of that age; and now they're starting to wake up and wreak havoc
> in the present age, though without a lot of aid from their Chieftain,
> who is still (somewhat) bound.
[....]

Can't agree more. The comparison that immediately springs to mind is
Soulcatcher<=> Lanfear. Both of them are kind of crazy (like a fox) unbalanced
and neither has the slightest shred of hesitation about doing anything necessary
to get what they want.

Aside from that, I didn't notice any other parallels other than the fact that
both the Taken and the Forsaken are an evil and depraved bunch of bastards.

Some of the other comments I've read on this subject seem to indicate that
people prefer Cook's villains to Jordan's. Personally, I think you just have to
appreciate each writer's vastly differing styles. I eagerly anticipated the
release of _Soldiers_Live_ and am still impatiently awaiting the release of
Jordan's _Winter's_Heart_.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:01:27 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

Wright Frazier wrote:
>=20
> Cook does it better.  I like jordan, but the book where half of the 500
> pages were of Braid Tugger (nynaeve) and Sniffer (Elayne) were on a dam=
n

HALF? Hmmm... not quite... At any rate, I suspect that--sooner rather tha=
n
later-- those two will suffer for their bad attitudes. Jordan is very goo=
d at
demonstrating how a twisted worldview eventually ends up wrecking your li=
fe.
After all, look what happened to Eliada and Galina (and, by extension, th=
e
entire Red Ajah): it took Jordan two books or so but it's plain now that =
nasty
people like that don't escape the consequences forever. The situation Gal=
ina's
in is especially satisfying, because she so richly deserves it.

> wagon just disgusted me.  It marked a HUGE down turn in his writing, he=
's to
> concerned with the trivial stuff.
<<Cute nicknames, BTW>>

IMNSHO, both are excellent writers, you just have to appreciate their dif=
fering
styles. I can read one of Cook's books in a couple of days. A Jordan book=
 takes
me a week or so. I will say that--at least so far--Cook obviously has his=
 whole
world very carefully planned in advance. As for Jordan, I can't say becau=
se I
don't have the whole series. Once he's finished, it will be easier to see=
 how
carefully he planned it beforehand and how tightly all the threads mesh t=
ogether
into the whole.

> I MUCH prefer Cook's approach.  The villans are much more villaneous.  =
These
> are dispiciable people, and their nastiness is enhanced by the less tha=
n
> thorough reporting of them.  The Taken are mysterious and vile and utte=
rly
> evil.  The Forsaken are just naughty with no mystery too'em.

Uh, so I suppose you consider it merely "naughty" when Lanfear rips someo=
ne's
skin off their body in one piece, or what Greandal does to people to turn=
 them
into her personal slaves? Compare a few of these things to the stuff the =
Limper
does in _Silver_Spike_ or how Several of the taken betray the Hanged Man =
on the
stair of Tear and you have to admit there's not much difference.
Just my 2=A2
[....]

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:13:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jake Kesinger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Jordan Raney wrote:












> Croaker switched places with shivetya (the guardian)...but I don't think
> anything was physically changed.  So I'm pretty sure croaker is stuck inside
> the guardian who is still stuck to the throne with the daggers.
>
P. 495, 4th parag. One of the Voroshk girls speaking.
  ``I don't think...Shit.  Look.  Those knives are all gone from the
  demon.''  Actually, they were laying all over the floor.

  ==Jake

>
> >
> > SPOILER
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey eric was it mentioned wether or not Croaker/Guardian has the daggers
> > placed through and around his body. And if he didn't couldn't just walk
> off
> > the plain, leave the rest to the nef and joing the BC physically. If he
> had
> > the power of shiveta couldn't like shapeshift or something into his old
> > appearance and size and continue the journey with the BC.
> >
> > Well its something to think about but im probably full of it and he
> probably
> > couldn't even fit through the gate.
> >
> >
> > one more thing, what exactly was the meaning of the Noose, that supposed
> to
> > be special constellation

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:36:04 -0700
From: "JM Rhodes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)

It seems that Cook has been working on Naughty sorcerers from the past fo=
r a
long time... After reading the Swordbearer, I can see the evolution from =
the
undead evil warlord types in that book to the Ten Who Were Taken... and a=
ny
writer using such a device, whether it's Jordan, Cook or anyone else, has=
 to
nod somewhat to Tolkien...  You gotta admit, the Nazgul were pretty fierc=
e,
and thoroughly evil... Although the Taken are farther evolved from the
Nazgul template than his previous attempts...

John

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Wheeler
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:01 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken & Forsaken (no spoilers)




Wright Frazier wrote:
>
> Cook does it better.  I like jordan, but the book where half of the 500
> pages were of Braid Tugger (nynaeve) and Sniffer (Elayne) were on a dam=
n

HALF? Hmmm... not quite... At any rate, I suspect that--sooner rather tha=
n
later-- those two will suffer for their bad attitudes. Jordan is very goo=
d
at
demonstrating how a twisted worldview eventually ends up wrecking your li=
fe.
After all, look what happened to Eliada and Galina (and, by extension, th=
e
entire Red Ajah): it took Jordan two books or so but it's plain now that
nasty
people like that don't escape the consequences forever. The situation
Galina's
in is especially satisfying, because she so richly deserves it.

> wagon just disgusted me.  It marked a HUGE down turn in his writing, he=
's
to
> concerned with the trivial stuff.
<<Cute nicknames, BTW>>

IMNSHO, both are excellent writers, you just have to appreciate their
differing
styles. I can read one of Cook's books in a couple of days. A Jordan book
takes
me a week or so. I will say that--at least so far--Cook obviously has his
whole
world very carefully planned in advance. As for Jordan, I can't say becau=
se
I
don't have the whole series. Once he's finished, it will be easier to see
how
carefully he planned it beforehand and how tightly all the threads mesh
together
into the whole.

> I MUCH prefer Cook's approach.  The villans are much more villaneous.
These
> are dispiciable people, and their nastiness is enhanced by the less tha=
n
> thorough reporting of them.  The Taken are mysterious and vile and utte=
rly
> evil.  The Forsaken are just naughty with no mystery too'em.

Uh, so I suppose you consider it merely "naughty" when Lanfear rips
someone's
skin off their body in one piece, or what Greandal does to people to turn
them
into her personal slaves? Compare a few of these things to the stuff the
Limper
does in _Silver_Spike_ or how Several of the taken betray the Hanged Man =
on
the
stair of Tear and you have to admit there's not much difference.
Just my 2=A2
[....]

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:58:39 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished

Woa, I don't remember that at all...I'm way off.  I guess I better read it
more carefully next time through and quit trying to break a speed record....


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Kesinger" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL:spoilers don't read unless you are finished


> On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Jordan Raney wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Croaker switched places with shivetya (the guardian)...but I don't think
> > anything was physically changed.  So I'm pretty sure croaker is stuck
inside
> > the guardian who is still stuck to the throne with the daggers.
> >
> P. 495, 4th parag. One of the Voroshk girls speaking.
>   ``I don't think...Shit.  Look.  Those knives are all gone from the
>   demon.''  Actually, they were laying all over the floor.
>
>   ==Jake
>
> >
> > >
> > > SPOILER
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey eric was it mentioned wether or not Croaker/Guardian has the
daggers
> > > placed through and around his body. And if he didn't couldn't just
walk
> > off
> > > the plain, leave the rest to the nef and joing the BC physically. If
he
> > had
> > > the power of shiveta couldn't like shapeshift or something into his
old
> > > appearance and size and continue the journey with the BC.
> > >
> > > Well its something to think about but im probably full of it and he
> > probably
> > > couldn't even fit through the gate.
> > >
> > >
> > > one more thing, what exactly was the meaning of the Noose, that
supposed
> > to
> > > be special constellation
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:35:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Book order

Okay...all this talk of North v. South has gave me the bug again, so I stopped reading Swords in Lankhmar and started BC again.

What order does everyone take? Silver Spike then Dreams or vice versa?

Win

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:39 -0500
From: "Croaker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?

Ok I know ... Shame on me for even asking this question but somewhere back
along my readings of the Company I decided that Silver Spike wasn't a must
read as I was anxious to get back to the Adventures of the Company as a
whole. Although I have read through the series on a few occasions I just
keep skipping over it. I do intend to read it but with Soilders Live sitting
on my Table I have one issue. Do I read it before or after the newest book.

My question to the list is this .... Are there any details in Soilders Live
that are reliant upon any of the goings on in the Silver Spike? Obviously as
I haven't read the latest book and I would prefer an answer without
spoilers.
TIA for any guidance....



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:40:12 -0600
From: Matthew Roche <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must? and Book Order

i've always found that reading the silver spike before reading dreams of
steel is a good way to go. not only does it remind me that cook kicks ass
when writing stand alone novels (which i think this is, although it concerns
well-loved characters and scenarios) but it also enhances my enjoyment of
dreams of steel, as i can then look back knowingly on the conflagration
behind the southbound company.

but then of course, i liked reading the dread empire trilogy before the
prequels...

;-]

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Subject: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?


Ok I know ... Shame on me for even asking this question but somewhere back
along my readings of the Company I decided that Silver Spike wasn't a must
read as I was anxious to get back to the Adventures of the Company as a
whole. Although I have read through the series on a few occasions I just
keep skipping over it. I do intend to read it but with Soilders Live sitting
on my Table I have one issue. Do I read it before or after the newest book.

My question to the list is this .... Are there any details in Soilders Live
that are reliant upon any of the goings on in the Silver Spike? Obviously as
I haven't read the latest book and I would prefer an answer without
spoilers.
TIA for any guidance....



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:48:09 -0500
From: "Vonder Haar, Peter C." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?

 In my opinion, reading _Silver Spike_ is not a prerequisite for enjoying
_Soldiers Live_.  This should be pretty obvious, since you've apparently
made it all the way through the rest of the Books of the South and
Glittering Stone without a problem.
 However, I think you owe it to yourself to go back and check it out.  You
could do like I did, which is reread _Shadow Games_ and then read _SS_,
since the two books have a bit of overlap in continuity.  And if you haven't
read it, you'll never know what happens to the Company members who split
after _The White Rose_.
 On a side note, I have recently exposed (is that the right word?) a
co-worker of mine to the Black Company.  He read the first two in three days
and has been salivating after _The White Rose_, which we're having a mother
of a time trying to find (it's the only one I don't have a copy of).  I have
the other seven books on a stack on my desk, and he's gotten so desperate to
keep going he asked me if he could just skip _TWR_ and move on.  I told him
that would probably be unwise, to put it mildly.

 Pete

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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:13 AM
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Subject: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?


Ok I know ... Shame on me for even asking this question but somewhere back
along my readings of the Company I decided that Silver Spike wasn't a must
read as I was anxious to get back to the Adventures of the Company as a
whole. Although I have read through the series on a few occasions I just
keep skipping over it. I do intend to read it but with Soilders Live sitting
on my Table I have one issue. Do I read it before or after the newest book.

My question to the list is this .... Are there any details in Soilders Live
that are reliant upon any of the goings on in the Silver Spike? Obviously as
I haven't read the latest book and I would prefer an answer without
spoilers.
TIA for any guidance....



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:24:29 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?

Croaker wrote:
>
> My question to the list is this .... Are there any details in Soilders Live
> that are reliant upon any of the goings on in the Silver Spike? Obviously as
> I haven't read the latest book and I would prefer an answer without
> spoilers.
> TIA for any guidance....
>

I have not read the Soldiers Live yet, but I truely doubt it will be
affected by the Silver Spike.  The first book of the south - that is
intertwined with the Silver Spike (they happen at the same time and
there is some interaction between the two books).  Reading the Silver
Spike will answer a few of the mysteries of the first book of the
south...

But as I said, I haven't read the new book yet.  If I am wrong in this
then Solders Live contains a lot of things I don't expect.

Richard

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:24:22 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Book order

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Okay...all this talk of North v. South has gave me the bug again, so I stopped reading Swords in Lankhmar and started BC again.
>
> What order does everyone take? Silver Spike then Dreams or vice versa?
>

The first time through I did Dreams then Spike - that was the order they
reach my local bookstore.  Last time through I read Spike then Dreams.
It may just be because of that first time, but I found Dreams than Spike
to be the better order.

Richard

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:49:31 -0400
From: Jeff Wragg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?

I read Silver Spike first, then said "hey, this stuff is great" and
went out and bought all the Cook stuff I could find.  After reading
all the BC stuff I went back and re-read SS and got more out of it.

Having said that, I don't think it is a "must" but why deprive yourself?

jeff

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:14:15 -0700
From: "JM Rhodes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?

Silver Spike is one of my favorites, for a number of reasons.  I thought it
was well-written, and it ties up so many storylines from the White Rose I
certainly wouldn't classify it as "skippable" in the BC series.  Add to that
that it is the first time Cook writes from the perspective of someone other
than Croaker (assuming that Shadow Games is Croaker's reconstruction of
events after-the-fact), and Case is a particularly likable character.

John

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Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike -- Is it a Must?


I read Silver Spike first, then said "hey, this stuff is great" and
went out and bought all the Cook stuff I could find.  After reading
all the BC stuff I went back and re-read SS and got more out of it.

Having said that, I don't think it is a "must" but why deprive yourself?

jeff

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:34:31 -0500
From: "Jordan Raney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Book order

I always read spike either before shadow games (after white rose) or right
after shadow games (before dream).


> Okay...all this talk of North v. South has gave me the bug again, so I
stopped reading Swords in Lankhmar and started BC again.
>
> What order does everyone take? Silver Spike then Dreams or vice versa?
>
> Win
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:15:35 -0500
From: "Lich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) alternative series

Waylander, In the Realm of the Wolf, The King Beyond the Gate, and The Quest
for Lost Heroes are all on par or nearly so with Legend.  There are a couple
others that aren't quite as good, but still better than most of what's out
there.


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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:58 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) alternative series


> I finished David Gemmel's Legend awhile ago, and I was wondering if the
> other books in the series are as good?  if so, which ones should i try
next?
>   sorry im off topic, but i have to find something else to read now that
i'm
> done with soldiers live!  thanks!
>
> Mike Kimball
>
>
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