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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:30:59 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South

Jamison Wood wrote:
>
> Its all about the villians...
> In the books of the North, you have the Ten, and what a bunch of wily,
> backstabing, insane sorcerers! Now they made great villians.
> Look at the villians in the South:
> Longshadow: insane, but so very afraid of the shadows.  He never lifts a
> finger sorcerously except to release some shadows.  He's basically a
> simpering fool in a really big castle.

Soulcatcher is the biggest, baddest villain of them all. None of the other bad
guys in the series quite measure up to her, except the Dominator (who we only
see briefly) and the Limper. Granted, she appears in the first book but she
plays no part in the subsequent books of the north. YOu also have to include
Mogaba... even though he's not a wizard, he is on bad-ass S.O.B.

> The rest of the shadowmasters: Not quite as hard to kill as the Taken.
> Also did they ever contribute anything to any of the battles except for
> the web that Soulcatcher destroyed over Dejagore?
> Naryan and Booboo: Great idea for a secret cult of hidden assassins, but
> all they do is stay hidden.  They make one attempt at the palace, and
> basically end up killing a bunch of ancilliary characters.
> Kina: was it just me, or did she sleep through all the books?

> I'm not being totally serious, and while I did love all the BC books, I
> just didn't find the "bad guys" to be all that terrible in the south.
> Maybe if Longshadow had had time to finish his fortress...

I thought Narayan Singh was just the most devious, despicable, black-hearted
{insert expletives} little snot I've ever run across in literature. When he
kidnapped Lady and Croaker's daughter, that made me mad and I kept hoping to see
him get squashed like a bug. How much more terrible could he have been?

[....]

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:58:06 GMT
From: "mike kimball" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) alternative series

I finished David Gemmel's Legend awhile ago, and I was wondering if the
other books in the series are as good?  if so, which ones should i try next?
  sorry im off topic, but i have to find something else to read now that i'm
done with soldiers live!  thanks!

Mike Kimball



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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:54:23 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South

on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:

> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>
> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
> Limper?
> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.

I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.

I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:52:22 -0400
From: "Nicholas J Thalasinos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Taken, The Circle and Bomanz

Bomanz' Power Level:
The way I remember it, after The Lady fished him out of the Barrow, not only
was he resigned to the Lady transforming him into a Taken (something she &
The Dominator only did to their most powerful foes), But latter on (in the
White Rose) he kills the Dragon that was guarding the Dominator - all by
himself!

Then, after that titanic battle (where he basically destroyed it from the
inside out) he manages to hide himself from everyone, creating some kind of
illusion of his own death.

Seems to me he's as tough as ANY Taken - in fact, I'm not so sure he's dead
this time, either. He obviously sets up a lot of contigencies, and has
managed to survive forces that would kill most of them without the advantage
of being undead (Most of the Taken have always struck me as Liches, as the
act of being Taken was once described- by Croaker watching Lady do it- as
killing someone then recreating them as your slave. At the least, the spell
seemed to destroy part of their soul.)

Just because Bomanz would rather sit home quietly and study instead of
Ruling does not make him any less ruthless in his pursuit of knowledge or
power.


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:14:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South

In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>>
>> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
>> Limper?
>> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
>
>I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
>around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
>focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
>intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
>
>I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
times had no idea what he was doing.

Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
"not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
top level is...

well, just wrong.

If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.

christopher....

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:00:51 -0700
From: Lee Childs <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) North vs. South: it's the villians

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I also prefer the first three books, and Soldiers Live.  The villians in the first
three, especially the Taken, Lady, and Whisper, were wonderful.  Only Mogaba in
the South enjoys the same stature for me.

Cook did a masterful job of making Soulcatcher and Lady both evil and noble in the
first book.  Mogaba took several books to evolve into the same balance of noble
and evil qualities.

I enjoyed the Books of the South and the Glittering Plain.  But I loved the
original trilogy.  That was excellent and the first Black Company was (for me), a
classic.

Crazy villians are okay.  Evil villians are okay.  But I always felt that Cook
really loved Soulcather, Lady, and Mogaba.  I really cared about what happened to
them.  The villians are why I prefer the first three books.

Lee Childs

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I also prefer the first three books, and <U>Soldiers Live</U>.  The
villians in the first three, especially the Taken, Lady, and Whisper, were
wonderful.  Only Mogaba in the South enjoys the same stature for me.

<P>Cook did a masterful job of making Soulcatcher and Lady both evil and
noble in the first book.  Mogaba took several books to evolve into
the same balance of noble and evil qualities.

<P>I enjoyed the Books of the South and the Glittering Plain.  But
I loved the original trilogy.  That was excellent and the first <U>Black
Company</U> was (for me), a classic.

<P>Crazy villians are okay.  Evil villians are okay.  But I always
felt that Cook really loved Soulcather, Lady, and Mogaba.  I really
cared about what happened to them.  The villians are why I prefer
the first three books.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Taken, The Circle and Bomanz

- --- Lich <[e-mail]> wrote:
> The Taken
> Somebody was wondering whether ANY of the Taken went down permanently at
> Charm.  In Water Sleeps it mentions that "several" of the Taken were present
> when Longshadow first opened and bound his true name to the Shadowgate.
> During that incident, some of the sorcerers present were destroyed.  It
> doesn't specify how many though.
>
> Personally, I think the only Taken that got smoked at Charm were The Hanged
> Man, and Bonegnasher.  We Know Stormbringer, Limper, Soulcatcher, Howler and
> Shapeshifter survived.  Counting the Hanged Man, this makes six that we KNOW
> the fate of.  I'm guessing on Bonegnasher just because he seemed too simple
> straightforward to be involved in all kinds of duplicitous plots.  From the
> Lady's perspective, I'm thinking he was the "best" of the Taken.  That
> leaves Nameless, Nightcrawler and Moonbiter unnaccounted for.  I'm thinking
> they were the sorcerers destroyed at the Shadowgate incident.

Possible.  Remember that "The Taken were among those present" and "Some of the
sorcerors were destroyed" may not equate to "The Taken were killed".  Besides,
it's not like the accounts of a Taken's death haven't been exaggerated before.


I also wouldn't count on The Hanged Man being dead.  Remember, Croaker was
allowed to record his death.  Why would they, if not because they wanted to be
able to "prove" he was dead later?   Because it was a brain wound, I'd list him
as probably dead, but no better.


>
> The Circle and Bomanz
> While I would agree that the Circle were up to the level of proto-taken,
> there's a big difference between proto and full fledged.  If you recall,
> during the nights at Charm, all 18 of the circle were continually on the
> defensive (and not mounting a very good one either) because the "Taken were
> too damn strong."  I would say that between the 18, they had the capability
> of two maybe three of the Taken, if that.
>
By this point, though, they had already taen out many of the best of the Rebel
Circle, like Harden, Raker, Feather, and Journey.


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:41:36 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South

    Reading the threads on this discussion, it struck me how much I enjoyed
Bleak Seasons.  While the pace does seem to be faster in the books of the
north, I really enjoyed the unfolding of the story.  Cook really seems to be
able to grasp characterization, at no time did I ever find myself wondering
who was the "annalist".  I have very distinct different "voices" that I
associate with each of the characters, and Bleak Seasons has a whole bunch
of folks who up to now were only referred to in the third person.  This one
really fleshed out not only the people, but the entire tone of the books of
the South.  Of the entire Series, I would have to say that is one of my top
three favorites, and one that I've read almost as many times as the first
three.  Okay, I like military SF and Military fantasy, and this book really
has the best of all worlds...imho of course! <grin>

    In contrast, some of the larger battles the company was involved in during
its sojourn in the North, you are lucky to get maybe two lines about it, I
believe when they captured one of the fortresses (don't have them in front
of me) there was a couple of lines that were like "so the company went and
did it." (not an exact, sorry, at work) and that was it.  While the company
was down to 7 people after Silent, Darling and the Touk? brothers left, the
siege, whittling down and split of Nar and Old company factions (in Bleak
Seasons)to me was a much greater hurdle...one that Cook handled beautifully,
with the Company becoming like a piece of steel...tempered and strengthened
after plunging into the glowing flames.

    I don't think that Bleak Seasons is the "high" point of the entire series,
I enjoyed each of the subsequent books, but Bleak Seasons really captured
the feel of the company and what life was like, with Cook doing an amazing
job.

Tim Taylor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Jordan Raney
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 4:01 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South
>
>
> > Maybe if Longshadow had had time to finish his fortress...
>
>
> No no, I think this is one of the huge problems with the books of
> the south.
> It takes so long for anything to happen!  If he had finished his castle it
> probably would have taken even longer while they sat there and sieged it.
> In the books of the north they were constantly moving around, and Cook
> worried more about keeping the plot moving along than inserting details
> about so and so's favorite aspect of his favorite Gunni god.....
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:38:02 -0500
From: "Warner, Jon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South

>I don't
> see any discernible
> reduction of quality between the books of the North and the
> South.


    I don't see a reduction of quality either.  I think Glen's writing
style retained most all of the things that I've come to love about him over
the years. I was simply pointing to one of the things that draws me to the
first three books as opposed to the books of the South.  Yes, Cook made some
"gutsy" writing decisions that took some "nerve".  That doesn't necessarily
mean they're great stories.

Of course, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

JW



> -----Original Message-----
> From: C.L. Yona [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:50 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South
>
>
> I have to chip my couple of pennies in and say that I don't
> see any discernible
> reduction of quality between the books of the North and the
> South.  In fact, I
> think Cook pulls off a pretty neat trick by moving from one
> "battle for control
> of the world" situation to another. He also reduced the
> Company down to what -
> 6 members?  Gutsy.  Perhaps the Northerners (heh) like the
> earlier books better
> because they stayed with the characters that you knew from
> the beginning - The
> Captain, Silent, Raven, etc.  Down in the South the books are
> a little more
> daring, a little more inventive - Annalists change, bringing
> new perspectives;
> the enemies are more numerous and not always as obvious;  entirely new
> cultures, wildly different from one another, are introduced.
>   As for Water
> Sleeps, I thought it was fantastic - how much nerve does it
> take for a writer
> to remove one of the series' most central characters for
> almost the entire
> book?  I give Cook credit.  He's not satisfied with just
> writing a tale, he's
> going to keep you off-guard.  Better than recycling tired
> storyline and warmed
> over crap like too many of today's fantasy writers do.
>
> yer dog, shooting off his mouth
>
> "Warner, Jon" wrote:
>
> > I was thinking along the same lines.  There is a very
> "alien" feel to the
> > books of the South, which I think was intentional. I think
> it's good world
> > building on Cook's part to have such cultural diversity.
> The further you go
> > from your point of origin, the more awkward you feel.  For
> the readers who
> > began the journey with Croaker in _The Black Company_ the
> North is our
> > 'point of origin'.  While the south was interesting, I
> never felt the
> > attachment I did to the earlier books.  Perhaps this was
> fostered by the
> > supposition that the South lands were just a place to pass
> through on the
> > way to Khatovar.  Unfortunately, for me anyway, the South
> became the end
> > rather than the means.
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:14:24 -0600
From: "OBRIEN,LEE (HP-Boise,ex1)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South        !!  (SL Spoilers)

I liked the entire series, though i would agree that I liked the intamacy
and character development of the early books.  But how great was the Blade
thing at Charadaprash.  For a whole book, we al thought he was a bad guy.  I
love the fact that Croaker gets to flex his devious muscles and practice his
dirty tricks for a few books.  As for Glittering Stone, I wasn't as caught
up in the characters or the alien setting, but I knew that Cook's twisted
sense of justice would win out in the end and the bad guys like Narayan
would get theirs.  I absoutely loved the end.  Croaker gets to live forever
and there are a number of really good plots waiting to be explored, or
waiting to hang out there at the edges of imagination forever.  Will Sahra
and Hong Tray's ghosts be able to contain the growing darkness in Tobo.
Will daughter #1 make a good annalist.  What will Lady do with her new
power.  Does Soulcatcher get to wake up.  Can Croaker find a way to bring
back Booboo, and what would she turn out like.  I think it might be cool if
Cook would release a book of short stories based on Croaker's (new and
improved, Shivetya enhanced) memories of the histories of the different
worlds.  Ahh... I guess I could go on for a while, but ....


In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>>
>> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
>> Limper?
>> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
>
>I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
>around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
>focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
>intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
>
>I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
times had no idea what he was doing.

Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
"not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
top level is...

well, just wrong.

If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.

christopher....

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:41:08 -0700
From: Aaron Contreras <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL Spoilers.

Lots of SL spoilers.  Don't read me.

While I really enjoyed Soldier's Live, I find he worked a little bit too
hard to wrap everything up.  It doesn't feel like it should have been the
last book of the Glittering Stone.  It could have been...but he threw lots
of totally new plot elements in there which made the story a little longer.

Tobo, I felt, could have been handled much better.  He doesn't quite seem as
awesome as he is supposed to be and his insanity...seems forced and very
sudden.

The body count was very depressing.  Most of the folks that died deserved a
Goblin-eque way of going out in style - at least on frickin' camera.  I
don't think the Captain really ever got a chance...there was so much
character left to discover there.

The resolution with Booboo disappointed as well.  This character has had
some serious, serious foreshadowing (like Thi Kim is getting now) and it
sort've fizzles out.  Same with the Nyueng Bao mystery.


By the way - who were all the women who 'were the darkness'?  I remember
Booboo, Lady, Soulcatcher and...Sahra, right?  Why Sahra?

Aaron

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From: OBRIEN,LEE (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:14 AM
To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South !! (SL Spoilers)



I liked the entire series, though i would agree that I liked the intamacy
and character development of the early books.  But how great was the Blade
thing at Charadaprash.  For a whole book, we al thought he was a bad guy.  I
love the fact that Croaker gets to flex his devious muscles and practice his
dirty tricks for a few books.  As for Glittering Stone, I wasn't as caught
up in the characters or the alien setting, but I knew that Cook's twisted
sense of justice would win out in the end and the bad guys like Narayan
would get theirs.  I absoutely loved the end.  Croaker gets to live forever
and there are a number of really good plots waiting to be explored, or
waiting to hang out there at the edges of imagination forever.  Will Sahra
and Hong Tray's ghosts be able to contain the growing darkness in Tobo.
Will daughter #1 make a good annalist.  What will Lady do with her new
power.  Does Soulcatcher get to wake up.  Can Croaker find a way to bring
back Booboo, and what would she turn out like.  I think it might be cool if
Cook would release a book of short stories based on Croaker's (new and
improved, Shivetya enhanced) memories of the histories of the different
worlds.  Ahh... I guess I could go on for a while, but ....


In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>>
>> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
>> Limper?
>> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
>
>I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
>around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
>focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
>intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
>
>I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
times had no idea what he was doing.

Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
"not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
top level is...

well, just wrong.

If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.

christopher....

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:58:45 -0500
From: "Mike Ehlers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South !! (SL Spoilers)

I remember reading in one of the BC books it stated that a "Dominator" comes
about every so often.  Anyone else think that Cook could be setting
Tobo up to be another Dominator-type person?  Could make for an interesting
book...

MIke




From: "OBRIEN,LEE (HP-Boise,ex1)" <[e-mail]> on 08/10/2000 10:14 AM

Please respond to [e-mail]

To:   "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
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Subject:  RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South        !!  (SL Spoilers)




I liked the entire series, though i would agree that I liked the intamacy
and character development of the early books.  But how great was the Blade
thing at Charadaprash.  For a whole book, we al thought he was a bad guy.  I
love the fact that Croaker gets to flex his devious muscles and practice his
dirty tricks for a few books.  As for Glittering Stone, I wasn't as caught
up in the characters or the alien setting, but I knew that Cook's twisted
sense of justice would win out in the end and the bad guys like Narayan
would get theirs.  I absoutely loved the end.  Croaker gets to live forever
and there are a number of really good plots waiting to be explored, or
waiting to hang out there at the edges of imagination forever.  Will Sahra
and Hong Tray's ghosts be able to contain the growing darkness in Tobo.
Will daughter #1 make a good annalist.  What will Lady do with her new
power.  Does Soulcatcher get to wake up.  Can Croaker find a way to bring
back Booboo, and what would she turn out like.  I think it might be cool if
Cook would release a book of short stories based on Croaker's (new and
improved, Shivetya enhanced) memories of the histories of the different
worlds.  Ahh... I guess I could go on for a while, but ....


In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>>
>> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
>> Limper?
>> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
>
>I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
>around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
>focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
>intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
>
>I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
times had no idea what he was doing.

Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
"not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
top level is...

well, just wrong.

If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.

christopher....

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:16:27 -0500
From: "Wright Frazier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) North vs. South !! (SL Spoilers)

Now that is a damn interesting notion.

Personally, I really hope that Cook continues with the series, or what I'd
really love is a series set in the era of the domination.

Wright

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ehlers" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South !! (SL Spoilers)


>
>
> I remember reading in one of the BC books it stated that a "Dominator"
comes
> about every so often.  Anyone else think that Cook could be setting
> Tobo up to be another Dominator-type person?  Could make for an
interesting
> book...
>
> MIke
>
>
>
>
> From: "OBRIEN,LEE (HP-Boise,ex1)" <[e-mail]> on 08/10/2000 10:14
AM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   "'[e-mail]'"
<[e-mail]>
> cc:
> Client:
> Subject:  RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South        !!  (SL Spoilers)
>
>
>
>
> I liked the entire series, though i would agree that I liked the intamacy
> and character development of the early books.  But how great was the Blade
> thing at Charadaprash.  For a whole book, we al thought he was a bad guy.
I
> love the fact that Croaker gets to flex his devious muscles and practice
his
> dirty tricks for a few books.  As for Glittering Stone, I wasn't as caught
> up in the characters or the alien setting, but I knew that Cook's twisted
> sense of justice would win out in the end and the bad guys like Narayan
> would get theirs.  I absoutely loved the end.  Croaker gets to live
forever
> and there are a number of really good plots waiting to be explored, or
> waiting to hang out there at the edges of imagination forever.  Will Sahra
> and Hong Tray's ghosts be able to contain the growing darkness in Tobo.
> Will daughter #1 make a good annalist.  What will Lady do with her new
> power.  Does Soulcatcher get to wake up.  Can Croaker find a way to bring
> back Booboo, and what would she turn out like.  I think it might be cool
if
> Cook would release a book of short stories based on Croaker's (new and
> improved, Shivetya enhanced) memories of the histories of the different
> worlds.  Ahh... I guess I could go on for a while, but ....
>
>
> In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> >on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
> >>
> >> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
> >> Limper?
> >> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
> >
> >I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
> >around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
> >focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
> >intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
> >
> >I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.
>
> Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
> are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
> large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
> and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
> times had no idea what he was doing.
>
> Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
> are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
> "not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
> top level is...
>
> well, just wrong.
>
> If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
> the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.
>
> christopher....
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:10:34 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South        !!  (SL Spoilers)

Truthfully as a whole right now I like the north books alot more than the
south books.  #1 because it felt more raw and gritty then the newer ones
did. #2 I liked the story lines better than in the south books.

Now that isnt saying I dont like the south, there are some great things
happening.. I like the whole glittering plain dealie... and as said below
the blade double cross was so perfectly planned it was amazing.... nice
strategy there...

I am currently about 1/3 through SL and I like it so far.. but it still
doesnt sit as well as the first trilogy did.

later
nick


- -----------------------------------
Nicholas Anderson
Computer Support Development Coordinator
Buffalo State College
[e-mail]
http://www.buffalostate.edu/~nick
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Fresh in my mind the dream stays
slowly eating away at my mind
It does not like to be kind
But who am I to argue.


- -----Original Message-----
From: OBRIEN,LEE (HP-Boise,ex1) [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:14 AM
To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) North vs. South !! (SL Spoilers)



I liked the entire series, though i would agree that I liked the intamacy
and character development of the early books.  But how great was the Blade
thing at Charadaprash.  For a whole book, we al thought he was a bad guy.  I
love the fact that Croaker gets to flex his devious muscles and practice his
dirty tricks for a few books.  As for Glittering Stone, I wasn't as caught
up in the characters or the alien setting, but I knew that Cook's twisted
sense of justice would win out in the end and the bad guys like Narayan
would get theirs.  I absoutely loved the end.  Croaker gets to live forever
and there are a number of really good plots waiting to be explored, or
waiting to hang out there at the edges of imagination forever.  Will Sahra
and Hong Tray's ghosts be able to contain the growing darkness in Tobo.
Will daughter #1 make a good annalist.  What will Lady do with her new
power.  Does Soulcatcher get to wake up.  Can Croaker find a way to bring
back Booboo, and what would she turn out like.  I think it might be cool if
Cook would release a book of short stories based on Croaker's (new and
improved, Shivetya enhanced) memories of the histories of the different
worlds.  Ahh... I guess I could go on for a while, but ....


In a message dated 8/9/00 9:54:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>on 8/9/00 4:48 PM, Aaron Contreras at [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> One instance really sums up the differences between the two series:
>>
>> Remember when Croaker & the Company work with 'Shifter to take out the
>> Limper?
>> What an increidble scene.  All the tension was amazing.
>
>I think what you are saying is that in the North the books were centered
>around squads and not armies. As Croaker shifted to being the Captain the
>focus shifted from squad missions to army maneuvers. The closeness and
>intimacy of the squad was lost to the impersonal, individual leaders.
>
>I agree. I enjoyed the squad missions more than the politics.

Well, I never really thought about this, but I agree. Small group tactics
are more interesting to me, since they usually seemed reasonable. On
large group tactics, I spent too much time questioning Cook's tactics,
and too often deciding he was wrong. Or even if not wrong I a lot of
times had no idea what he was doing.

Also, I like the guys in the trenches, not the management. The grunts
are cooler than the guys with the smarts. The mass burials and the
"not nice" guys are the Company. The cleaned up stuff we get at the
top level is...

well, just wrong.

If you're going to have blood and guts and killing, let me have it from
the viewpoint of someone doing it, or at least running along side.

christopher....

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