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From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <hanmac@uswest.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 01 Sep 2001 09:23:25 -0700 Tim McDowell wrote: > > > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already > > gone around: > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > My first thought was it must be either 'Catcher or Howler. Because these > are the characters we have contact with. > But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in > the ground, in his barrow. > [drum roll please.] Your friend and mine .... The Dominator! > > Tim McDowell Are yea all nuts? The award should to the Lady. She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about. How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South? She "Took" how many wizards to help her? Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a empire so full of plots, counter plots and death? Everyone else are Pikers compared to her. Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 01 Sep 2001 14:54:29 -0600 > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already > gone around: > I believe it has once or twice. :) > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I realize most people have just read BC.) It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil. >> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the >> ground, in his barrow. >> Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need to be. > She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about. > Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that unemotional. I think she just hid it very well. I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik. > How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South? > Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director. > She "Took" how many wizards to help her? > Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee. > Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a empire > so full of plots, counter plots and death? > The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik. <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning> * * * * * * * * * * * * But, Most Evil of all has to be Australia. <G> -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 02 Sep 2001 05:27:28 -0700 I don't think of the director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt yea, he has the body count. The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in thatseries I think, they did shit for the evil fun of it. W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species. MOuse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him . Crask and Sadler, they were evil. Eric Herrmann wrote: > > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already > > gone around: > > > I believe it has once or twice. :) > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I > realize most people have just read BC.) > > It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil. > > >> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the > >> ground, in his barrow. > >> > Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need > to be. > > > She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about. > > > Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that > unemotional. I think she just hid it very well. > > I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn > w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik. > > > How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South? > > > Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director. > > > She "Took" how many wizards to help her? > > > Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee. > > > Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a empire > > so full of plots, counter plots and death? > > > The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an > empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik. > > <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning> <Spoiler Warning> > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > But, Most Evil of all has to be Australia. <G> > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. 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I think that it is interesting how the characters we know the least seemed to float to the top as the most evil: Kina, Dominator, Limper, the thing under the tree. > I don't think of the Director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt > yea, he has the body count. We don't know his motives and the end result he was working toward. I think if Glen gets to write the final 7 books of the Dread Empire maybe we would know. So it's hard to say whether all the wars and societal upheaval he caused were for good. > The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in that series I think, they did shit for > the evil fun of it. Yes, they were very ruthless in obtaining power. > W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species. Are you serious? Killing another species is okay as long as they are lesser? What if they are a higher species? Or are we forgiving his actions because Glen has shown us why he feels very angry toward humans? How long does revenge stay good? > Mouse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him. Mouse seemed fairly normal except when it came to Sangaree. But I guess he saw them as a lesser species so it was allright. > Crask and Sadler, they were evil. Any more evil than, say, Morley? They all take money for killing people. -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 02 Sep 2001 08:32:21 -0700 You got me man, it all depends on where your sitting. Hmmm, the very point Glen stresses in BC. I heard that the next Dread Empire was written but never published. This is going to sound stupid to any one who knows better, but is there any way if enough people wanted it that it COULD get published? Like a preorder or something ? I have been waiting for 8 years to find out what happens in Kavelin, and when I first heard about no more books I freaked out for 3 days. Really. I'm still upset and I found out a year ago. Eric Herrmann wrote: > on 9/2/01 6:27 AM, Bagel at bagaele@netzero.com wrote: > > I wasn't labeling any character evil. I was exploring the rational that some > people gave for why certain characters were considered evil. What are an > evil characters attributes? > > Are we more likely to be sympathetic to the "evil" actions of a character > because we are familiar with the character? Because we understand their > background and motive? > > I think that it is interesting how the characters we know the least seemed > to float to the top as the most evil: Kina, Dominator, Limper, the thing > under the tree. > > > I don't think of the Director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. BUt > > yea, he has the body count. > > We don't know his motives and the end result he was working toward. I think > if Glen gets to write the final 7 books of the Dread Empire maybe we would > know. So it's hard to say whether all the wars and societal upheaval he > caused were for good. > > > The Princes of Shinsan were coldest in that series I think, they did shit for > > the evil fun of it. > > Yes, they were very ruthless in obtaining power. > > > W'Deeth wasn't evil either, after all, he considered humans a lesser species. > > Are you serious? Killing another species is okay as long as they are lesser? > What if they are a higher species? > > Or are we forgiving his actions because Glen has shown us why he feels very > angry toward humans? How long does revenge stay good? > > > Mouse had lost all other purpose so I'll give you cold, not evil for him. > > Mouse seemed fairly normal except when it came to Sangaree. But I guess he > saw them as a lesser species so it was allright. > > > Crask and Sadler, they were evil. > > Any more evil than, say, Morley? They all take money for killing people. > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Dutton <craigld@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT) --- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> wrote: > > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already > > gone around: > > > I believe it has once or twice. :) > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > Maybe we could open the question up to any series or book? (Although I > realize most people have just read BC.) > > It's an interesting question of how you quantify evil. > > >> But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in the > >> ground, in his barrow. > >> > Fear? Varthlokkur was feared by a great many people though they didn't need > to be. > > > She's about the coldest B***h I've ever read about. > > > Ahhh, the cold, unemotional killer. I don't think Lady was all that > unemotional. I think she just hid it very well. > > I think Crask and Sadler were probably colder. Or perhaps Mouse and Noborn > w'Deeth. Or Lupo Provik. Ah, Lupo. Wouldn't call him evil, though. Though I'd also consider Raven... a guy who encapsulated all his "good guy" feelings into protecting Darling, which left him 'morally free' to sell living people to the Black Castle, amongst other sins. Evil is about quality as much or more than quantity, after all. > > > How many did she slaughter? Not only in the north, but also in the South? > > > Body Count? I think that prize has to go to the Director. > > > She "Took" how many wizards to help her? > > > Mind Control? The Lady doesn't compare to Helga Dee. > > > Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create plots and run a > empire > > so full of plots, counter plots and death? > > > The Princes Thaumaturge or Mist are at least the Lady's equal at running an > empire with plots and counter plots. Or again Lupo Provik. Yep. The Old Meddler much better... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 02:00:37 -0500 > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He lived only on > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You gotta love spite. > heh. Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. His obsession with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close he called them brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people (victims of the shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a contient and might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he wanted. The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded in doin some bad shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. Wright ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aseret32@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 04:09:53 EDT --part1_a5.1ad3b96c.28c34351_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Wright...you have a good point. About to change the subject... I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? ~Dreamer --part1_a5.1ad3b96c.28c34351_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Well, Wright...you have a good point. <BR>About to change the subject... <BR>I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie <BR>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? <BR>~Dreamer</FONT></HTML> --part1_a5.1ad3b96c.28c34351_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 09:39:52 -0500 if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, eh? -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He lived only on > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You gotta love spite. > heh. Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. His obsession with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close he called them brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people (victims of the shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a contient and might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he wanted. The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded in doin some bad shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. Wright ======================================================== =============== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:06:43 +0200 > Are yea all nuts? The award should to the Lady. She's about the > coldest B***h I've ever read about. How many did she slaughter? > Not only in the north, but also in the South? She "Took" how many > wizards to help her? Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create > plots and run a empire so full of plots, counter plots and death? > > Everyone else are Pikers compared to her. > > Pat Well, I can see some good sides to her... loving, faithful, dependable, brilliant, professional.... excellent organizer, ingenious strategist... skilled politician... awesome mage. Plots, counter plots, casualities... that's the part of the world she was born into. Her Empire was quite peaceful, you know. Not deaths for no reason, like earlier, in the Dominator's times. gwen ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:28:56 +0200 Craig Dutton wrote: > Though I'd also consider Raven... a guy who encapsulated all his "good guy" > feelings into protecting Darling, which left him 'morally free' to sell living > people to the Black Castle, amongst other sins. Evil is about quality as much > or more than quantity, after all. Hm, it came to my mind after reading this,: a great experiment in showing evil is found in a french movie "Frere Loupe", "The brotherhood of wolves"- I don't mean the main plot only. If you have seen it, did you pay attention to the scenery, to how everything is SHOWN? A lot of this film's communicate is given through images, almost through subconsciousness. It makes you feel like evil is everywhere, not quality or quantity counts, but the presence or lack of it. Quality and quantity only make us notice it, although it's allways here- it's just that we have grown used to it. Now I see the same in the BC series. Look how we like the merceneries, forget their job, lifestyle, morale. Then show at the Dominator, Lady, Kina as the evil ones. It's in them, along withe their good sides. look at the Dominator- true leader, archmage, probably very sexy, etc, etc. gwen -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec. greetings form Gwen gwen1@wp.pl ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:07:53 -0500 hmm. read my own message and it looked a little cryptic to me so I'll do a little expansion. my thought is that calling croaker most evillest is probably an unpopular conclusion and one the opiner himself may not share: he may be trolling up some discussion. and since i'm writing, if that was his intent, he wins. by "back it up" i mean flesh out the allegations. frinstance: thousands of friends so close he called them brothers is a bit of an exaggeration i'm thinking. doubt that croaker had more than 100 friends in the whole series. comrades and brothers in arms are not the same as friends. as to the khatovar situation, he had help and he was provoked. in other words, start no fight you can't finish lest it finish you. don't pull a gun you won't shoot and when you shoot, aim to kill. is it body count that matters or intent? we get a lot of allusions to the bad old days of the dominator, someone so bad he united the world against him. same may be assumed of the guy under the tree. kina was bad enough to unite more than one world against her. croaker at least had friends. catcher could not manage that much. of course, her violent, psychotic episodes might have hindered her ability to reach out and love people. i'm sort of challenging wright's opinion without lining up firmly behind any one of my own. that is because i think the question is pointless with regard to the works of glen cook. across all genres and series. that is one reason i enjoy them so much. no one is completely bad or good. almost every character can, in their own mind, come up with some justification for their own actions. like life. but glen's books are more exciting than life. my life, at least, and i hope everyone else's as well. dg -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:40 AM if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, eh? -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He lived only on > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You gotta love spite. > heh. Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. His obsession with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close he called them brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people (victims of the shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a contient and might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he wanted. The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded in doin some bad shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. Wright ======================================================== =============== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================== =============== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <hanmac@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 09:22:59 -0700 gwen1 wrote: > > > > Everyone else are Pikers compared to her. > > > > Pat > > Well, I can see some good sides to her... loving, faithful, dependable, > brilliant, professional.... Where was this? Oh, you mean the fact that she knew her empire was done and that she had lost her powers so it was time to get out of town? That's when she hooked up with Coaker. Caesar was a Pro, as was Napoleon. Both left rather impressive body counts all over and were considered "evil" . > excellent organizer, ingenious strategist... > skilled politician... So is about every Serial killer and most Dictators... > awesome mage. Plots, counter plots, casualities... > that's the part of the world she was born into. No, she helped create this with the Dominator. > Her Empire was quite peaceful, you know. > Not deaths for no reason, like earlier, in the > Dominator's times. No, it was quite firmly stated that the lords amused themselves by doing each other in, with her tact approval, as to make sure that they could not challenge her power and rules. No, she ruled by the terror of her power striking down any that opposed her. Large armies. Powerful wizards. When she lost all of them, she hid behind Croaker, Goblin and Oneye. > gwen > Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 12:15:39 -0500 a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some books home. b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians) c) But the single most evil thing he did was without a doubt khatovar. He could just as easily have left the log buried in a place that wouldn't harm the gate, or not taken it at all. Instead he choose to bury it in a place where if it did go up big would destroy the gate, and in that destruction let loose a million shadows on that world that could end life on that world all together. Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering with him. At least Longshadow had the excuse of bein a open looney. Croaker was very purposeful and direct in his attempt to destroy a world. The Dominator, Kina, and Lady were all pretty damn evil folks no doubt, but they never attempted to destroy a world full of innocent people out of spite. Wright > hmm. read my own message and it looked a little cryptic to > me so I'll do a little expansion. > > my thought is that calling croaker most evillest is > probably an unpopular conclusion and one the opiner himself > may not share: he may be trolling up some discussion. and > since i'm writing, if that was his intent, he wins. > > by "back it up" i mean flesh out the allegations. > frinstance: thousands of friends so close he called them > brothers is a bit of an exaggeration i'm thinking. doubt > that croaker had more than 100 friends in the whole series. > comrades and brothers in arms are not the same as friends. > as to the khatovar situation, he had help and he was > provoked. in other words, start no fight you can't finish > lest it finish you. don't pull a gun you won't shoot and > when you shoot, aim to kill. > > is it body count that matters or intent? we get a lot of > allusions to the bad old days of the dominator, someone so > bad he united the world against him. same may be assumed > of the guy under the tree. kina was bad enough to unite > more than one world against her. > > croaker at least had friends. catcher could not manage > that much. of course, her violent, psychotic episodes > might have hindered her ability to reach out and love > people. > > i'm sort of challenging wright's opinion without lining up > firmly behind any one of my own. that is because i think > the question is pointless with regard to the works of glen > cook. across all genres and series. that is one reason i > enjoy them so much. no one is completely bad or good. > almost every character can, in their own mind, come up > with some justification for their own actions. like life. > but glen's books are more exciting than life. my life, at > least, and i hope everyone else's as well. > > dg > > -----Original Message----- > From: David George > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:40 AM > To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, > eh? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wright Frazier > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He > lived only on > > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You > gotta love spite. > > heh. > > Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. > His obsession > with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close > he called them > brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of > people (victims of the > shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a > contient and > might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he > wanted. > > The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded > in doin some bad > shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. > > Wright > > > > ======================================================== > =============== > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ======================================================== > =============== > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Childs <childsl@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 01:08:17 -0700 I agree with Pat. Lady was my favorite villian. She had some noble qualities but she was utterly ruthless in getting what she wanted. Lee Childs Pat & Ellen Hannum wrote: > Tim McDowell wrote: > > > > > > Here is another question to ponder, and I apologize if it this has already > > > gone around: > > > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > > > My first thought was it must be either 'Catcher or Howler. Because these > > are the characters we have contact with. > > But then it came to me that almost everyone *really* feared the guy in > > the ground, in his barrow. > > [drum roll please.] Your friend and mine .... The Dominator! > > > > Tim McDowell > > Are yea all nuts? The award should to the Lady. She's about the > coldest B***h I've ever read about. How many did she slaughter? > Not only in the north, but also in the South? She "Took" how many > wizards to help her? Did yea all forget her spider like abilities to create > plots and run a empire so full of plots, counter plots and death? > > Everyone else are Pikers compared to her. > > Pat > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jordan Raney" <jrraney@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 12:57:38 -0500 Wright:"The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded in doin some bad shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort." Are you sure? I could be wrong but I thought I remember some brief talk about the dominator's massive manslaughters, on the order of hundreds of thousands of people. I thought it said this somewhere in the first 3 books. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Wright Frazier Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He lived only on > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You gotta love spite. > heh. Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. His obsession with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close he called them brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people (victims of the shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a contient and might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he wanted. The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded in doin some bad shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. Wright ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jordan Raney" <jrraney@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 13:09:03 -0500 "a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some books home. b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians)" Those two go together. The fact is, the shadowlords were already planning to attack taglios (I believe) and if Croaker wouldn't have been there to make them into a people that could defend themselves they would have been destroyed or slaves to the shadowlords which is worse. "Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering with him." Ahh, but they never had the means. And most of those you listed would never have destroyed their world because it was the only one they knew of. I'm quite sure that if they had the power to destroy the world and were losing a war or something they would have destroyed the world so noone else could rule it either. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Soldiers Live Spoilers Have Happened Date: 02 Sep 2001 12:22:51 -0600 To our friends in Poland, Beware that Wright Frazier's email and its replies contain major spoilers for Soldiers Live. -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <hanmac@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 12:17:27 -0700 Spoilers below........ Wright Frazier wrote: > a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south > and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and > shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some > books home. Not insane, but driven by forces outside of his control. Kina and others were involved in my opinion. > b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians) Nope, they invited him in. Remember that. They hired him, Smoke and the Sister of the Ruler thought that they could use him. > c) But the single most evil thing he did was without a doubt khatovar. He > could just as easily have left the log buried in a place that wouldn't harm > the gate, or not taken it at all. Instead he choose to bury it in a place > where if it did go up big would destroy the gate, and in that destruction > let loose a million shadows on that world that could end life on that world > all together. No. He figured that the "Masters of Khatovar" would be able to kill or destroy the Shadows. It would just take them a very, very long time. Remember also, They attacked him first, he did nothing to them. He just "hoisted them on their own stupidity". > Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an > entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering > with him. At least Longshadow had the excuse of bein a open looney. > Croaker was very purposeful and direct in his attempt to destroy a world. No, It they did not attempt to destroy him, follow him, they would have been fine.... But you gotta admit, it was one hellova trap. Their own cruelty and nastiness lead them to destroy the gate, without checking. Go back and re-read that part. Croaker really did figure that they could handle the shadows, it just would take them a very, very long time. > > The Dominator, Kina, and Lady were all pretty damn evil folks no doubt, but > they never attempted to destroy a world full of innocent people out of > spite. No Spite, survival of the Meanness. and remember again, ( don't you just hate that "remember again" thing... note to self: find another way to say things ) The Lady didn't argue, disagree or blink, in fact, she suggested, urged and pushed. The Power behind the throne. Always. > Wright > Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 03:53:28 -0700 Ok, I think I have one for you. Someone who is actually good without any evil.Make that 2 someones. Dean and Garrett. Garrett may not always have been nice but he is almost an avatar of justice in how he deals with situations. He never screwed someone who was the good guy. David George wrote: > hmm. read my own message and it looked a little cryptic to > me so I'll do a little expansion. > > my thought is that calling croaker most evillest is > probably an unpopular conclusion and one the opiner himself > may not share: he may be trolling up some discussion. and > since i'm writing, if that was his intent, he wins. > > by "back it up" i mean flesh out the allegations. > frinstance: thousands of friends so close he called them > brothers is a bit of an exaggeration i'm thinking. doubt > that croaker had more than 100 friends in the whole series. > comrades and brothers in arms are not the same as friends. > as to the khatovar situation, he had help and he was > provoked. in other words, start no fight you can't finish > lest it finish you. don't pull a gun you won't shoot and > when you shoot, aim to kill. > > is it body count that matters or intent? we get a lot of > allusions to the bad old days of the dominator, someone so > bad he united the world against him. same may be assumed > of the guy under the tree. kina was bad enough to unite > more than one world against her. > > croaker at least had friends. catcher could not manage > that much. of course, her violent, psychotic episodes > might have hindered her ability to reach out and love > people. > > i'm sort of challenging wright's opinion without lining up > firmly behind any one of my own. that is because i think > the question is pointless with regard to the works of glen > cook. across all genres and series. that is one reason i > enjoy them so much. no one is completely bad or good. > almost every character can, in their own mind, come up > with some justification for their own actions. like life. > but glen's books are more exciting than life. my life, at > least, and i hope everyone else's as well. > > dg > > -----Original Message----- > From: David George > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:40 AM > To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, > eh? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wright Frazier > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He > lived only on > > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You > gotta love spite. > > heh. > > Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. > His obsession > with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close > he called them > brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of > people (victims of the > shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a > contient and > might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he > wanted. > > The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded > in doin some bad > shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. > > Wright > > ======================================================== > =============== > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ======================================================== > =============== > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. 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(Taglians) > > c) But the single most evil thing he did was without a doubt khatovar. He > could just as easily have left the log buried in a place that wouldn't harm > the gate, or not taken it at all. Instead he choose to bury it in a place > where if it did go up big would destroy the gate, and in that destruction > let loose a million shadows on that world that could end life on that world > all together. > > Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an > entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering > with him. At least Longshadow had the excuse of bein a open looney. > Croaker was very purposeful and direct in his attempt to destroy a world. > > The Dominator, Kina, and Lady were all pretty damn evil folks no doubt, but > they never attempted to destroy a world full of innocent people out of > spite. > > Wright > > > hmm. read my own message and it looked a little cryptic to > > me so I'll do a little expansion. > > > > my thought is that calling croaker most evillest is > > probably an unpopular conclusion and one the opiner himself > > may not share: he may be trolling up some discussion. and > > since i'm writing, if that was his intent, he wins. > > > > by "back it up" i mean flesh out the allegations. > > frinstance: thousands of friends so close he called them > > brothers is a bit of an exaggeration i'm thinking. doubt > > that croaker had more than 100 friends in the whole series. > > comrades and brothers in arms are not the same as friends. > > as to the khatovar situation, he had help and he was > > provoked. in other words, start no fight you can't finish > > lest it finish you. don't pull a gun you won't shoot and > > when you shoot, aim to kill. > > > > is it body count that matters or intent? we get a lot of > > allusions to the bad old days of the dominator, someone so > > bad he united the world against him. same may be assumed > > of the guy under the tree. kina was bad enough to unite > > more than one world against her. > > > > croaker at least had friends. catcher could not manage > > that much. of course, her violent, psychotic episodes > > might have hindered her ability to reach out and love > > people. > > > > i'm sort of challenging wright's opinion without lining up > > firmly behind any one of my own. that is because i think > > the question is pointless with regard to the works of glen > > cook. across all genres and series. that is one reason i > > enjoy them so much. no one is completely bad or good. > > almost every character can, in their own mind, come up > > with some justification for their own actions. like life. > > but glen's books are more exciting than life. my life, at > > least, and i hope everyone else's as well. > > > > dg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David George > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:40 AM > > To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, > > eh? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wright Frazier > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > > > > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > > > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He > > lived only on > > > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You > > gotta love spite. > > > heh. > > > > Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. > > His obsession > > with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close > > he called them > > brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of > > people (victims of the > > shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a > > contient and > > might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he > > wanted. > > > > The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded > > in doin some bad > > shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. > > > > Wright > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > =============== > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > > list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > ======================================================== > > =============== > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > > list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. 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Her point of view is definately that of a christian, or a XXist centiries western culture member, or a buddist, etc. Looks more like the wars with Carthage, hm? Traison, traison, blood, empires.... I firmly believe that if you try to evaluate someone, you have to look at that person's culture environment. Can't evaluate Attila the Hun, or Charles the Great with our time moral code. gwen -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec > > Well, I can see some good sides to her... loving, faithful, dependable, > > brilliant, professional.... > > Where was this? Oh, you mean the fact that she knew her empire was > done and that she had lost her powers so it was time to get out of town? > That's when she hooked up with Coaker. Caesar was a Pro, as was > Napoleon. Both left rather impressive body counts all over and were > considered "evil" . > > > excellent organizer, ingenious strategist... > > skilled politician... > > So is about every Serial killer and most Dictators... > > > awesome mage. Plots, counter plots, casualities... > > that's the part of the world she was born into. > > No, she helped create this with the Dominator. > > > Her Empire was quite peaceful, you know. > > > Not deaths for no reason, like earlier, in the > > Dominator's times. > > No, it was quite firmly stated that the lords amused > themselves by doing each other in, with her tact > approval, as to make sure that they could not > challenge her power and rules. > > No, she ruled by the terror of her power striking down > any that opposed her. Large armies. Powerful wizards. > When she lost all of them, she hid behind Croaker, > Goblin and Oneye. > > > gwen > > > > Pat > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 22:23:26 +0200 > Hmm, I think its time for a clarifying question. Is someone evil if they have > commited an evil act but are generally decent, or is evil the whole of the > person ? Can answer to that without readeing thea spoiler (thanks, Eric): Is evil not in every one? It doesn't make us evil- are we not the ones to put it to work? Intentionwlly, or not... gwen -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Dran" <dran204@hotmail.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:59:11 -0400 ----Original Message Follows---- ... About to change the subject... I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? ~Dreamer ___________________________ Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there were to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major roles? For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. One-Eye, I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <hanmac@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:19:39 -0700 gwen1 wrote: > Pat: I AM exaggerating. *-) > But I can't help liking Lady. She is awesome. She > HAS human feelings. Never, ever suggested that she didn't have feeling, just stated she was cold... death field cold. > Napoleon and Ceasar truly were brilliant. Were thay > considered evil? No. Hmmmm, depends on which side of the sword you were on..... Ask any Russian or Pole about the Slaughter of Napoleon and they may argue... and Yes, I remember your a Pole. Most Germans do not like Caesar, nor do the Gaul's, but then the Gaul don't like anybody.... > People voluntarily joined up with Napoleon. Romans > definately didn't loathe Ceasar. They only killed him, but they didn't loathe him.... ;-) > 'Sides- Lady was playing a big game. Try > playing a computer strategy game. See if you count all the dead- or hurry > create some new troops? Her point of view is definately that of a christian, > or a XXist centiries western culture member, or a buddist, etc. Looks more > like the wars with Carthage, hm? .Or the wars of the Roses. > Traison, traison, blood, empires.... I > firmly believe that if you try to evaluate someone, you have to look at that > person's culture environment. Can't evaluate Attila the Hun, or Charles the > Great with our time moral code. You canna even evaluate someone from 5 years ago by that. :-0 I canna claim anyone was not evil, not even good 'ol Joan of Arc. Caesar's claim to fame was his military brilliance in Gaul, again an impressive body count. Napoleon, military, Attila? The scour of God? All of the above killed without remorse and for no greater reason than to further their glory. Not their country's, not to save the lives of their countrypersons, but for their own Glory. I know that that puts most of the "greats" into this column, but it's how I look at it... > gwen Awaiting your reply, Lady Gwen.... Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Amy Weathers" <raistlin@zianet.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:21:36 -0600 The two people I would consider to be the most evil have only been mentioned in brief passing. I am surprised that not more people jumped on the Soulcatcher band wagon. I feel she is one of the big nasties of the Black Company World. Evil in the malipuative the cold calculating slightly insane sort of way. Some of the posts reflect on Croaker's evilness (enteresting point of view) which steemed from his obsession to achive a sertian goal. If you look at it, what was Soulcatcher's driving force if not a strong desire to enact revenge on her sister. Pretty much everyting she did was amid at hurting the Lady. Look at how she even malipulated events in The Black Company to get the company to leave their previous employer to join her. To Soulcatcher the world was her chess board in the ultiamte game of Chess with her sister, the Lady. My second most evil person would be Raven. Mostly for the same reasons already brought up so I wont rehash them. Amy ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donnafair@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 02 Sep 2001 18:41:30 EDT --part1_14f.4fec5b.28c40f9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/01 2:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dran204@hotmail.com writes: > I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" > and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as > Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. > > The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba. > Dennis Hopper was the villain. Tommy Lee Jones for Croaker! Uma Thurman? Ack! Only thing worse would be Winona Ryder! I'd rather it were Madeline Stowe. "The tall guy" would be Michael Clarke Duncan. --part1_14f.4fec5b.28c40f9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT COLOR="#0080ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Lucida Sans Unicode" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/2/01 2:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>dran204@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" <BR>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as <BR>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. <BR> <BR>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0080ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Lucida Sans Unicode" LANG="0"> <BR>Dennis Hopper was the villain. <BR> <BR>Tommy Lee Jones for Croaker! <BR> <BR>Uma Thurman? Ack! Only thing worse would be Winona Ryder! I'd rather it <BR>were Madeline Stowe. <BR> <BR>"The tall guy" would be Michael Clarke Duncan.</FONT></HTML> --part1_14f.4fec5b.28c40f9a_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:31:46 -0700 <html><br> <div>>About to change the subject...</div> <div>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie</div> <div>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</div> <div>>~Dreamer</div> <div>></div> <div>>___________________________</div> <div>></div> <div>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there were </div> <div>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major </div> <div>>roles?</div> <div>></div> <div>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. One-Eye, </div> <div>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" </div> <div>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as </div> <div>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. </div> <div>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba.</div> <div>></div> <br> <div> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher. </div> <br> <div> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie.</div> <br> <br> <div>Just some opinions,</div> <div>Steve</div> <BR> ............................................................................= ........................<br> =A0=A0 A student asked Soen Nakagawa during a meditation retreat,<br> "I am discouraged. What can I do?"<br> Soen replied, "Encourage others."<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <b>=A0 <br> </b></html> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: (glencook-fans) Archmage players? Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:35:52 -0700 <html><div> Anyone on the list play Archmage? (<a href=3D"http://www.magewar.com/" EUDORA=3DAUTOURL>http://www.magewar.com= </a>) Would be neat to get a BC guild going on a server for the next reset (October 5th). Anyone interested, let me know. It would be much better to build a guild from people on a list than from people you know even less about.</div> <br> Steve <BR> ............................................................................= ........................<br> =A0=A0 A student asked Soen Nakagawa during a meditation retreat,<br> "I am discouraged. What can I do?"<br> Soen replied, "Encourage others."<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <b>=A0 <br> </b></html> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: (glencook-fans) Double post Date: 02 Sep 2001 16:41:31 -0700 Sorry about that, and if you got a weird attachment message, my Eudora hiccuped. The attachment notice, if you get one, is something wrong with the signature, and not a virus. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pardoz <pardoz@io.com> Subject: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 01 Sep 2001 21:34:50 -0400 Hello Bagel, > I don't think of the director as evil, just cold and desperate to go home. That's (to me) what makes so evil - he'll do, well, anything to get what he wants, and he's quite happy to see the world go to hell in order to get there. Pure self-centeredness. -- CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:56:44 +0200 At your service, Pat: > > Napoleon and Ceasar truly were brilliant. Were thay > > considered evil? No. > > Hmmmm, depends on which side of the sword you were > on..... Ask any Russian or Pole about the Slaughter of Napoleon > and they may argue... and Yes, I remember your a Pole. > Most Germans do not like Caesar, nor do the Gaul's, but > then the Gaul don't like anybody.... > Ummm..... We Poles love Napoleon dearly. One of our favorite heroes. Can't speak for the Russians.... Wanna ask what percentage of Napoleon's armies were polish? I'll try to look it up for you. > > People voluntarily joined up with Napoleon. Romans > > definately didn't loathe Ceasar. > > They only killed him, but they didn't loathe him.... ;-) Ahh, great nation, Romans. To overthrow your dictator... To me it's a proof of Romans being highly educated not only in poetry and tactics, but also republican virtues. Tell me: are there many nations so politically conscious even of today? > > > 'Sides- Lady was playing a big game. Try > > playing a computer strategy game. See if you count all the dead- or hurry > > create some new troops? Her point of view is definately that of a christian, > > or a XXist centiries western culture member, or a buddist, etc. Looks more > > like the wars with Carthage, hm? > > .Or the wars of the Roses. Ok to that. > > > Traison, traison, blood, empires.... I > > firmly believe that if you try to evaluate someone, you have to look at that > > person's culture environment. Can't evaluate Attila the Hun, or Charles the > > Great with our time moral code. > > You canna even evaluate someone from 5 years ago by that. :-0 > I canna claim anyone was not evil, not even good 'ol Joan of Arc. > Caesar's claim to fame was his military brilliance in Gaul, again > an impressive body count. Napoleon, military, Attila? The scour > of God? All of the above killed without remorse and for no greater > reason than to further their glory. Not their country's, not to save > the lives of their countrypersons, but for their own Glory. > I know that that puts most of the "greats" into this column, but > it's how I look at it... > Ufff.... everything you said is true. Still, please divide these people in tewo groups. The Before Republic, and the Republic Era. You see, long, long time ago, the king was the owner of his/her land, and everything in it. As time passed, people changed thet. Now you don't really consider yourself bound to the service of your ruler, right? So Napoleon started out by working on his military career, but to get to the highest power, he had to promise something to the citizens. Only then he claimes the empire. Ceasar lived at the dawn of citizenship. Now, Attila, Charles, Hammurabi and the famous rest, were dead sure, that it was their backyard they played in. They were acquairing new territories. And their countrypersons didn't even care- no such idea was before the Greek democracies. All you had to do was to stick to your work. Period. I think that in the BC world, a thousand years after that time, the historians will describe this time as the painful beginnings of the state. Roads, organisation, bureaucracy, courts. I am not surprized that at the very first steps of establishing a new level of organisation there can be huge mistakes, and noone likes it. That's all in division form personal evil decisions! i.e. Limper. Romans never actually got as far am my land, but ask the English, the German, the Spaniards, the Croatians how much the Roman culture enriched their own. Howgh! [looking up: my, my??? what am I doing? I just wrote a historiosophical essay??? Try Norman Davies' book about Poland. There's much about Napoleon, and great people sacrificing themselves for their countrypeople.He gets this straight. ] gwen -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 12:06:24 +0200 >Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series The question is- are we talking about a character who DID the most evil or who WAS the most evil Mocker -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dustin A Miller <mattstoady1@juno.com> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 02:58:47 -0700 --- Marcin Welnicki wrote >>"The question is- are we talking about a characterwho DID the most evil orwho WAS the most evil That is the best point I've heard yet. Like all things it's a combination of two factors. It's intent plus action that come up with the most evil character. Based on those factors, though his actions are pretty much only vaguely referred to, I'd have to say the Dominator was probably the worst. Though I still like the Limper... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 14:50:23 -0500 > "a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south > and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and > shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some > books home. > b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians)" > > Those two go together. The fact is, the shadowlords were already planning > to attack taglios (I believe) and if Croaker wouldn't have been there to > make them into a people that could defend themselves they would have been > destroyed or slaves to the shadowlords which is worse. Debateable. However there wouldn't have been a Shadow War if Croaker hadn't been on his quest to get to Khatovar. Further Croaker saw his only means of getting to khatovar was to go through the Shadowlands. So he took the job of general only under the condition that he gets to become absolute Military Dictator of Taglios. If he didn't need to cut his way through the shadowlands, he'd have never bothered with Taglios. It was entirely his choice to get involved in that war and reshape a culture to suit his own ends of getting to Khatovar just so he could take some books to some place he'd heard of. > > "Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an > entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering > with him." > > Ahh, but they never had the means. And most of those you listed would never > have destroyed their world because it was the only one they knew of. I'm > quite sure that if they had the power to destroy the world and were losing a > war or something they would have destroyed the world so noone else could > rule it either. But thats not what Croaker was doing, Croaker destroyed a world out of spite. Not cause he was loosing, not cause he had any interest in that world whatsoever. He was safe behind the shadowgate and heading home. He was in no danger, he wasn't loosing a war, he was just pissed that the object of his quest wasn't there anymore. At least folks like the Dominator can be somewhat understood for why they'd do it "If I can't have it, neither can you". Croaker on the other hand was "Well shit, Khatovar ain't here, and these people might try and screw with me. I'll destroy their world just incase." Croaker is by _FAR_ the most evil person in the series. No one else even attempted to destroy a world for so petty a reason. Wright ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyoneglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Date: 03 Sep 2001 15:00:29 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:17 PM > Spoilers below........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wright Frazier wrote: > > > a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south > > and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and > > shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some > > books home. > > Not insane, but driven by forces outside of his control. > Kina and others were involved in my opinion. > > > b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians) > > Nope, they invited him in. Remember that. They hired him, Smoke > and the Sister of the Ruler thought that they could use him. > It was still his choice to accept the commission, and he only did it on his own terms as absolute Military Dictator of Taglios because he needed the Taglians to get through to Khatovar. If it wasn't for the Shadowlanders being in the way, he'd not have done it and said so. > > c) But the single most evil thing he did was without a doubt khatovar. He > > could just as easily have left the log buried in a place that wouldn't harm > > the gate, or not taken it at all. Instead he choose to bury it in a place > > where if it did go up big would destroy the gate, and in that destruction > > let loose a million shadows on that world that could end life on that world > > all together. > > No. He figured that the "Masters of Khatovar" would be able to > kill or destroy the Shadows. It would just take them a very, very > long time. Remember also, They attacked him first, he did nothing > to them. He just "hoisted them on their own stupidity". > So? If he judges the masters of khatovar so harshly, and in view of his pathological hatred of sorcerers, that makes him as bad. He figured they can handle it, but seeing how Croaker views all sorcerers, he'd also figure they'd be out to take care of themselves first and screw the population (which proved to be right). So to stick a thumb in the eye of a few, he is willing to slaughter the innocent non-sorcererous peasents that these people rule. I don't buy however that he figured that the sorcerers could take care of the problem. And even allowing for that, to stick a thumb in their eye, he could have done something else such as a) not provoke them further by kidnaping their people b) planting the flying log somewhere else so as to not destroy the gate. It was Croakers intent to let loose all the shadows on a world cause he was miffed at a couple of folks. > > Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an > > entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering > > with him. At least Longshadow had the excuse of bein a open looney. > > Croaker was very purposeful and direct in his attempt to destroy a world. > > No, It they did not attempt to destroy him, follow him, they would have > been fine.... But you gotta admit, it was one hellova trap. Their own > cruelty and nastiness lead them to destroy the gate, without checking. Doesn't take croaker off the hook, he choose where to plant the log and set into motion the events that lead to the murder of so many. You are making some misassumptions here. Remember the sorcerers didn't fight it at the gate, they fled back to their enclaves and defended themselves allowing everyone else to die. So shadows who didn't go after those enclaves were free to spread out and roam across the world killing at will. > > Go back and re-read that part. Croaker really did figure that they > could handle the shadows, it just would take them a very, very long > time. > > > > > The Dominator, Kina, and Lady were all pretty damn evil folks no doubt, but > > they never attempted to destroy a world full of innocent people out of > > spite. > > No Spite, survival of the Meanness. and remember again, ( don't you just > hate that "remember again" thing... note to self: find another way to > say things ) The Lady didn't argue, disagree or blink, in fact, she suggested, > urged and pushed. The Power behind the throne. Always. > > > Wright > > Responsibility for the actions still falls on the giver of the order. Croaker gave the order, and his folks did it. I don't dispute that Lady is as nasty as they come, but it was Croakers responsiblity for setting it in motion. Wright ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 15:03:19 -0500 Spoilers and such Croaker isn't a decent person however. He says it repeatedly through the annals just how nasty a group the Company is. They aren't decent and respectable men. They are murderers, rapists, and thieves. The only redeaming quality they got goin for'em is loyalty, to each other and to the contract. Wright > Hmm, I think its time for a clarifying question. Is someone evil if they have > commited an evil act but are generally decent, or is evil the whole of the > person ? > > Wright Frazier wrote: > > > a) Croaker lead the Black Company on his quest from the Barrowlands south > > and started the Shadow War. In the process he raised numerous armies and > > shattered them and destroyed nations. All in his insane quest to take some > > books home. > > > > b) He redefined a peace loving culture into a warlike one. (Taglians) > > > > c) But the single most evil thing he did was without a doubt khatovar. He > > could just as easily have left the log buried in a place that wouldn't harm > > the gate, or not taken it at all. Instead he choose to bury it in a place > > where if it did go up big would destroy the gate, and in that destruction > > let loose a million shadows on that world that could end life on that world > > all together. > > > > Even the Dominator, Kina, Limper, and Catcher never attempted to destroy an > > entire world on purpose out of something as petty as spite for interfering > > with him. At least Longshadow had the excuse of bein a open looney. > > Croaker was very purposeful and direct in his attempt to destroy a world. > > > > The Dominator, Kina, and Lady were all pretty damn evil folks no doubt, but > > they never attempted to destroy a world full of innocent people out of > > spite. > > > > Wright > > > > > hmm. read my own message and it looked a little cryptic to > > > me so I'll do a little expansion. > > > > > > my thought is that calling croaker most evillest is > > > probably an unpopular conclusion and one the opiner himself > > > may not share: he may be trolling up some discussion. and > > > since i'm writing, if that was his intent, he wins. > > > > > > by "back it up" i mean flesh out the allegations. > > > frinstance: thousands of friends so close he called them > > > brothers is a bit of an exaggeration i'm thinking. doubt > > > that croaker had more than 100 friends in the whole series. > > > comrades and brothers in arms are not the same as friends. > > > as to the khatovar situation, he had help and he was > > > provoked. in other words, start no fight you can't finish > > > lest it finish you. don't pull a gun you won't shoot and > > > when you shoot, aim to kill. > > > > > > is it body count that matters or intent? we get a lot of > > > allusions to the bad old days of the dominator, someone so > > > bad he united the world against him. same may be assumed > > > of the guy under the tree. kina was bad enough to unite > > > more than one world against her. > > > > > > croaker at least had friends. catcher could not manage > > > that much. of course, her violent, psychotic episodes > > > might have hindered her ability to reach out and love > > > people. > > > > > > i'm sort of challenging wright's opinion without lining up > > > firmly behind any one of my own. that is because i think > > > the question is pointless with regard to the works of glen > > > cook. across all genres and series. that is one reason i > > > enjoy them so much. no one is completely bad or good. > > > almost every character can, in their own mind, come up > > > with some justification for their own actions. like life. > > > but glen's books are more exciting than life. my life, at > > > least, and i hope everyone else's as well. > > > > > > dg > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David George > > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:40 AM > > > To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' > > > Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > > > if yer trollin, you need to try a better bait. back it up, > > > eh? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wright Frazier > > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:01 AM > > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who wins the "Most Evil Character" award in BC series? > > > > > > > > One of my personal favorites was always The Limper. He > > > lived only on > > > > spite, hatred, and some magic to keep him alive. You > > > gotta love spite. > > > > heh. > > > > > > Easily Croaker was the most evil guy in the whole series. > > > His obsession > > > with finding Katovhar killed thousands of friends so close > > > he called them > > > brothers, destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of > > > people (victims of the > > > shadow war), and in the end he murdered the population of a > > > contient and > > > might have destroyed a world cause he didn't get what he > > > wanted. > > > > > > The Dominator or any other person ever actually succeeded > > > in doin some bad > > > shit of this magnitude, though not from a lack of effort. > > > > > > Wright > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > =============== > > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > > > list, > > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > =============== > > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > > > list, > > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 03 Sep 2001 15:08:14 -0500 Spoilers and such.... Catcher was most definately evil, however you are missin why she doesn't get #1. Her whole schtick was revenge on lady. She'd never have gone so far as to kill Lady and let the game end. Thats why she imprisoned lady & the company. If she'd have gotten bored enough and the captured not been released, eventually she'd have done it herself out of sheer boredom. She's pretty damn nuts, and as Croaker said only really concerned with causin Chaos, and as Croaker told Tobo, under the surface of every completely and utterly looney sorcerer is a hard and coldly calculatingly logical mind. So she might have been nuts, but her goal was the game with Lady. She'd have not gone to the length Croaker did. Wright > The two people I would consider to be the most evil have only been mentioned > in brief passing. > > I am surprised that not more people jumped on the Soulcatcher band wagon. I > feel she is one of the big nasties of the Black Company World. Evil in > the malipuative the cold calculating slightly insane sort of way. Some of > the posts reflect on Croaker's evilness (enteresting point of view) which > steemed from his obsession to achive a sertian goal. If you look at it, > what was Soulcatcher's driving force if not a strong desire to enact revenge > on her sister. Pretty much everyting she did was amid at hurting the Lady. > Look at how she even malipulated events in The Black Company to get the > company to leave their previous employer to join her. To Soulcatcher the > world was her chess board in the ultiamte game of Chess with her sister, the > Lady. > > > My second most evil person would be Raven. Mostly for the same reasons > already brought up so I wont rehash them. > > > Amy > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 03 Sep 2001 15:16:32 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C1348B.69DEEB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he = was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and = mean. Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) = very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of = these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. = Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 = minute part at best. Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. = He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible = physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when = I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in = Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_ well. Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 From: S. Hill=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there = were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the = major=20 >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. = One-Eye,=20 >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in = "Speed"=20 >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford = as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. =20 >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for = Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for = Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in = 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would = be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny = Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark = Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel = Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he = always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn = Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings = his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a = suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work = might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter = in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would = work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking = as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile = Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C1348B.69DEEB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be = no Black=20 Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, = crotchity,=20 melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marylin Manson as the Dominator? = The=20 Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very = tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people with = raw=20 strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some unknown = for him=20 since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mogaba? Not Michael Clark = Duncan. He=20 can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe who was = a much=20 nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on the other = hand is=20 who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace = in Pulp=20 Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_=20 well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dforvalaka@cableone.net = href=3D"mailto:forvalaka@cableone.net">S.=20 Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, = 2001 6:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) BC = Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV>>About to change the subject...</DIV> <DIV>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated=20 movie</DIV> <DIV>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</DIV> <DIV>>~Dreamer</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be = released. If=20 there were </DIV> <DIV>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in = the=20 major </DIV> <DIV>>roles?</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as=20 Goblin. One-Eye, </DIV> <DIV>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the = villain=20 in "Speed" </DIV> <DIV>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off = hand. =20 Harrison Ford as </DIV> <DIV>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman = as Lady=20 or Soulcatcher. </DIV> <DIV>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in = for=20 Magoba.</DIV> <DIV>></DIV><BR> <DIV> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper = is a=20 good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off = too,=20 especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips = tea. Liam=20 Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and = sinister. If=20 Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little = tall. Mark=20 Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or = Daniel=20 Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit = (he=20 always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn = Manson=20 as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his = own.=20 James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable = Raker.=20 Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work = out as=20 Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. = Undertaker=20 as Bonegnasher. </DIV><BR> <DIV> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 = style movie=20 would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not = taking=20 as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile = Films is=20 doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie.</DIV><BR><BR> <DIV>Just some opinions,</DIV> <DIV>Steve</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C1348B.69DEEB80-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 03 Sep 2001 14:07:51 -0700 <html> A<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>=A0<br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Blac= k Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D(=A0 Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean.=A0 Fred Sanford =3D=20 One-Eye.</font></blockquote><br> <br> <font size=3D3> I agree on Red Foxx wholeheartedly.<br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>=A0<br> </font><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Marylin Manson as the Dominator?=A0 The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall.=A0 Manson meets none of these.=A0 He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose.=A0 Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</font></blockquote><br> <font size=3D3> The more I think about that, you are right, I was thinking Manson along the lines of the just out of the crypt psycho bad god. He was handsome before, but the centuries writhing in the crypt had taken their toll. manson could be a slinky creep like Nightcrawler maybe. I personally despise Manson, but he does have that undead look about him. Maybe the guy who was Dracula in the sleeper Dracula 2000.<br> <br> <br> <br> Steve</font></html> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat & Ellen Hannum <hanmac@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 15:45:34 -0700 gwen1 wrote: > At your service, Pat: *-) > Ummm..... We Poles love Napoleon dearly. One of our favorite heroes. Can't > speak for the Russians.... Wanna ask what percentage of Napoleon's armies > were polish? I'll try to look it up for you. I forgot that you look at him as a liberator. Killed a ton of russians without any warning and marched on Moscow and Killed a ton of his own. Lets see, slaughtered Prussians buy the city, Swedes and Lower Balkan Slavs by the city. But he was a "great" liberator, as long as you joined his empire. Sounds like Croaker and the Lady to me. Join us or we will rip your throat out. > > > People voluntarily joined up with Napoleon. Romans > > > definately didn't loathe Ceasar. > > > > They only killed him, but they didn't loathe him.... ;-) > > Ahh, great nation, Romans. To overthrow your dictator... To me it's a proof > of Romans being highly educated not only in poetry and tactics, but also > republican virtues. Tell me: are there many nations so politically conscious > even of today? Most Arab Countries still look at Assassination as part of the Political process. India on the Local area, not national. > > You canna even evaluate someone from 5 years ago by that. :-0 > > I canna claim anyone was not evil, not even good 'ol Joan of Arc. > > Caesar's claim to fame was his military brilliance in Gaul, again > > an impressive body count. Napoleon, military, Attila? The scour > > of God? All of the above killed without remorse and for no greater > > reason than to further their glory. Not their country's, not to save > > the lives of their countrypersons, but for their own Glory. > > I know that that puts most of the "greats" into this column, but > > it's how I look at it... > > > Ufff.... everything you said is true. Still, please divide these people in > tewo groups. The Before Republic, and the Republic Era. No reason to do that. a Despot is a Despot. Be it pre Republic or post Republic. > You see, long, long > time ago, the king was the owner of his/her land, and everything in it. As > time passed, people changed thet. Now you don't really consider yourself > bound to the service of your ruler, right? No, I did my term of service. I'm a bit of a throw back. I owe the country that allows me to live in it free and write subversive things like this. 8-) > So Napoleon started out by > working on his military career, but to get to the highest power, he had to > promise something to the citizens. Only then he claimes the empire. No, he had it planned and was upset over the overthrow of the King. He also catered to the military. Gave them a chance at "glory". > Ceasar lived at the dawn of citizenship. What? are yea Mad lady? He became a dictator. He ended the Republic! Augustus followed in his footsteps. > Now, Attila, Charles, Hammurabi and the famous rest, were dead sure, that it > was their backyard they played in. They were acquairing new territories. And > their countrypersons didn't even care- no such idea was before the Greek > democracies. All you had to do was to stick to your work. Period. Or they killed you. Temples were a wonderful thing. > Howgh! Hey, I like this a new expression, gotta write this down. I don't get to see this often. Thank you! > > [looking up: my, my??? what am I doing? I just wrote a historiosophical > essay??? Try Norman Davies' book about Poland. There's much about Napoleon, > and great people sacrificing themselves for their countrypeople.He gets this > straight. ] I read and studied history for 4 years in college. I can cite you different views from different writers. It all depends on what country they are from and are trying to prove. > gwen > Thank you, Lady Gwen. I enjoy a good argument / discussion. But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting cheesed off at each other..... Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 03 Sep 2001 17:13:20 -0600 on 9/3/01 4:45 PM, Pat & Ellen Hannum at hanmac@uswest.net wrote: > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > cheesed off at each other..... Well, I found the discussion interesting with the different viewpoints. But maybe you could turn it back to the Black Company by say summing up with something like "The Lady is most like Napolean because...." and "The Dominator is most like _______ because ....". That might be helpful to us historical illiterates. Not that I expect any agreement. :) -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Flugstad <pete_flugstad@icon-labs.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Off-Topic: historical literates Date: 03 Sep 2001 21:42:36 -0500 Eric Herrmann wrote: > That might be helpful to us historical illiterates. Like me... Since you uttered it, I'll follow up quickly: while you two are summarizing the relevance to the BC, can either of you recommend any good "general" history books that goes back say, 10,000 years, and traces history up to present day, with major personalities, accomplishments, etc? Some type of overview. I often see references to famous historical personages (Hammurabi for example), or places (Tyrr - or whatever that city is off the coast of Lebannon or thereabouts) that I know the name of, but I don't know the historical significance of. It's what I get for reading great books like the Janissaries series by Pournelle. I know I'm asking a lot, but any recommendations on where to start? Ain't American historical education wonderful... even a major in Comp Sci at a "Liberal Arts" college let me avoid history (although I did take a great class in Russian/Soviet history, mostly rendered moot by events about the time I was taking it (or shortly thereafter). :-/ Heck, any newsgroup FAQs I can check? Thanks, Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anna Nowakowska" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:18:56 +0200 > I read and studied history for 4 years in college. I can cite you > different views from different writers. It all depends on what > country they are from and are trying to prove. > Yes. Well. Whatever. > > > > Thank you, Lady Gwen. I enjoy a good argument / discussion. > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > cheesed off at each other..... Hehehe. Thank you and you're welcome. Funny how this time it worked out [evil grin]. > Gwen "Krynica m▒dro╢ci" - XI Forum Ekonomiczne < http://www.forum-ekonomiczne.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anna Nowakowska" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:20:29 +0200 Aaa!? No, please. No more essays. Napoleon rules. You're all great. Gwen > > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > > cheesed off at each other..... > > Well, I found the discussion interesting with the different viewpoints. > > But maybe you could turn it back to the Black Company by say summing up with > something like "The Lady is most like Napolean because...." and "The > Dominator is most like _______ because ....". That might be helpful to us > historical illiterates. > > Not that I expect any agreement. :) > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > > > > ====================================================================== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > -- -- pozdrawia Gwen I don't suffer from my insanity I enjoy every minute of it! Krawczyk & Bregovic razem na p│ycie - "Daj mi drugie zycie" - ju┐ w sklepach! Kliknij! < http://krawczyk-bregovic.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anna Nowakowska" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off-Topic: historical literates Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:27:07 +0200 As you requested: {drums} tada!: I recommend my all-time- favorite: "Europe" by Norman Davies. It is huge, but written in a very modern style. You can browse it as you choose, no need to read boring chapters after chapters in search of one tiny bit of info. This gives you all the informations on ancient history of the Eouropean peoples. I also read "Africa" by a group of authors, but this one os aliitle to detailed for my taste. In return, please recommens something on North American history. It's quite mysterious to me. Gwen > Since you uttered it, I'll follow up quickly: while you two > are summarizing the relevance to the BC, can either of you > recommend any good "general" history books that goes back > say, 10,000 years, and traces history up to present day, > with major personalities, accomplishments, etc? Some type > of overview. I often see references to famous historical > personages (Hammurabi for example), or places (Tyrr - or > whatever that city is off the coast of Lebannon or thereabouts) > that I know the name of, but I don't know the historical > significance of. It's what I get for reading great books like > the Janissaries series by Pournelle. > I know I'm asking a lot, but any recommendations on where to > start? Ain't American historical education wonderful... even > a major in Comp Sci at a "Liberal Arts" college let me avoid > history (although I did take a great class in Russian/Soviet > history, mostly rendered moot by events about the time I was > taking it (or shortly thereafter). :-/ > > Heck, any newsgroup FAQs I can check? > > Thanks, > Pete > > > ====================================================================== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > -- -- pozdrawia Gwen I don't suffer from my insanity I enjoy every minute of it! Krawczyk & Bregovic razem na p│ycie - "Daj mi drugie zycie" - ju┐ w sklepach! Kliknij! < http://krawczyk-bregovic.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 04 Sep 2001 17:36:49 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:08 PM > Spoilers and such.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catcher was most definately evil, however you are missin why she doesn't get > #1. Her whole schtick was revenge on lady. She'd never have gone so far as > to kill Lady and let the game end. she though she killed her and the company( not imprisoned them) So she might have been nuts, but her goal was the game with > Lady. She'd have not gone to the length Croaker did. so it makes her less evil? because she ONLY played a game? And you think if she had the power to destroy the world( and the company who was on this world), she wouldnt do it? its pretty naive I think Mocker -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Roberts <Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:13:23 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend = to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, = more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, = Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would = likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as = a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious = (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 =20 As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but = physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a = little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I = think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were = casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep = in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. =20 =20 Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. =20 Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent. =20 Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the = other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. =20 Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' = Sergeant Zim) =20 Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek? =20 =20 Sam =20 =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM =20 Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he = was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. = Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. =20 Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) = very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. = He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just = need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best. =20 Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. = He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible = physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving = does menacing badass _VERY_ well. =20 Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 <mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> =20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there = were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major = >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. = One-Eye, >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in = "Speed" >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford = as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for = Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would = be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover = lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, = if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. = James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. = Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would = work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as = long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is = doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm=20 very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to = think=20 they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I = always=20 got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more = slender and=20 sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my = head. I=20 would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque = from=20 Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would = likely=20 just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel=20 territory. I actually envision these books done more = justice as=20 a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels = ambitious=20 (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As for=20 lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give the big = thumbs=20 down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically wrong for = the=20 role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little too = old. =20 Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile. I also=20 seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. =20 Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, = I think=20 Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were = casting=20 this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. = Keep in=20 mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well=20 into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until = unveiling a=20 new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tommy=20 Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the = Captain,=20 he fits my mental picture better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Johnny=20 Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie = for me, I=20 find myself unable to settle on someone for him, although I = occasionally=20 consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy just to see him = play one=20 of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe = Silent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Dennis=20 Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the other = direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so = well=20 although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Elmo:=20 Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' Sergeant=20 Zim)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Wow,=20 that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie=20 geek?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft><FONT=20 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = Wright Frazier=20 [mailto:khelek@home.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 03, 2001 = 1:17=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> = Re:=20 (glencook-fans) BC Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can = be no Black=20 Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, = crotchity,=20 melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marylin Manson as the = Dominator? The=20 Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) = very=20 tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people = with raw=20 strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some = unknown for=20 him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mogaba? Not Michael Clark = Duncan. He=20 can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe who = was a much=20 nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on the = other hand is=20 who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles = Wallace in Pulp=20 Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_=20 well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dforvalaka@cableone.net = href=3D"mailto:forvalaka@cableone.net">S.=20 Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmi= ssion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, = 2001 6:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) = BC=20 Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV>>About to change the subject...</DIV> <DIV>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an = animated=20 movie</DIV> <DIV>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</DIV> <DIV>>~Dreamer</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be = released. =20 If there were </DIV> <DIV>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast = in the=20 major </DIV> <DIV>>roles?</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as=20 Goblin. One-Eye, </DIV> <DIV>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was = the=20 villain in "Speed" </DIV> <DIV>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off = hand. =20 Harrison Ford as </DIV> <DIV>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma = Thurman as=20 Lady or Soulcatcher. </DIV> <DIV>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe = in for=20 Magoba.</DIV> <DIV>></DIV><BR> <DIV> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis = Hopper is a=20 good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off = too,=20 especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips = tea.=20 Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and = sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, = if a=20 little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, = *could* pass=20 as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny = Depp could=20 be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the = first=20 trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money = with=20 make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian = Schell=20 would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister = and with=20 some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great = Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher. </DIV><BR> <DIV> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 = style=20 movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, = thus not=20 taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave = program, Exile=20 Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K = movie.</DIV><BR><BR> <DIV>Just some opinions,</DIV> <DIV>Steve</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 04 Sep 2001 14:17:20 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1356D.D5F1B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree = with. =20 Ok #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the = big screen or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not known actors/actresses. This is simply on the fact that you want to focus = more on the storyline then on the characters. Although Croaker is the main = element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey his cynicism, you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. =20 =20 that said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo. for = Raven, I see more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could do it, I = dont think he would be a good raven. I dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady. I have = always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern beauty. Such as = someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with just a hint of color, and very black/raven wavy hair. Catherine zeta jones, while absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit that. =20 How about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant = remember if he had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind on the = re-read) Ron Perlman. I think his presence would work with that very well :) =20 awright thats my 2 bits =20 later nick =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend = to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, = more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, = Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would = likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as = a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious = (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 =20 As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but = physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a = little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I = think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were = casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep = in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. =20 =20 Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. =20 Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent. =20 Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the = other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. =20 Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' = Sergeant Zim) =20 Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek? =20 =20 Sam =20 =20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM =20 Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he = was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. = Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. =20 Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) = very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. = He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just = need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best. =20 Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. = He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible = physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving = does menacing badass _VERY_ well. =20 Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 <mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> =20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there = were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major = >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. = One-Eye, >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in = "Speed" >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford = as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for = Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would = be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover = lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, = if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. = James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. = Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would = work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as = long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is = doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1356D.D5F1B720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2530.1" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>hmmm some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree with.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ok #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the big screen or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not known actors/actresses. This is simply on the fact that you want to focus more on the storyline then on the characters. Although Croaker is the main element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey his cynicism, you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>that said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo. for Raven, I see more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could do it, I dont think he would be a good raven.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady. I have always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern beauty. Such as someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with just a hint of color, and very black/raven wavy hair. Catherine zeta jones, while absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant remember if he had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind on the re-read) Ron Perlman. I think his presence would work with that very well :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>awright thats my 2 bits</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>later</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>nick</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=747201118-04092001></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam Roberts [mailto:Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ingΘnue would work well. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' Sergeant Zim)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=263184816-04092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford = One-Eye.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_ well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=forvalaka@cableone.net href="mailto:forvalaka@cableone.net">S. Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com href="mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV>>About to change the subject...</DIV> <DIV>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie</DIV> <DIV>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</DIV> <DIV>>~Dreamer</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there were </DIV> <DIV>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major </DIV> <DIV>>roles?</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. One-Eye, </DIV> <DIV>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" </DIV> <DIV>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as </DIV> <DIV>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. </DIV> <DIV>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba.</DIV> <DIV>></DIV><BR> <DIV> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher. </DIV><BR> <DIV> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie.</DIV><BR><BR> <DIV>Just some opinions,</DIV> <DIV>Steve</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1356D.D5F1B720-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 04 Sep 2001 14:18:38 -0500 Hi, all, Movie stars I know from nothing. All I can do is describe that I see as the salient points of the characters. Croaker: Grizzled, harried; largely bald, with an errant hair pasted along his front always falling into his eyes as he pores over his books. He's got a bit more paunch than he really ought to, as a solider; but he's very fit. Maybe mid 40's. He has several different personas that he assumes as needed: the concerned bed-side physician, the no-nonsense senior officer, the scholar looking to dig into the past; and when he takes the lectern to read to his brethren from the Chronicles, his voice takes on dramatic tones, his unwavering eye captures every face, and he inhabits, he lives the part of his forebear, as he makes the past come alive. the Captain: Older than just about anyone else (60), but also more fit; he radiates command with his silent presence of superb confidence in himself and his men. He almost never speaks, is seldom seen--but his presence is always sensed; the men look at his tent, know he's in there, and feel relieved. Elmo: The prototypical First Sergeant, the tallest and biggest-looking man in the Company. His shout can be heard across a raging battelfield, his merest whisper--up close and personal--will cause a recruit to dribble down his leg. Silent: Not just in his voice, but in his movements; he's not small, but he sticks to the shadows, hangs back, and suddenly appears in front of whomever he needs to get the attention of. Clean-shaven, fastidious about his person. Too much in shadow to determine his age clearly. Raven: Always hooded--not physically, but emotionally. His eyes are always downcast or looking off to the side, except when he's talking to the Captain (in his mind, his only equal) or when he's about to kill the person he's talking to. His clothes are always better than anyone else's--even if he's been on a drunk and slept in them for a week. Younger than anyone else of his stature in the Company (30?). One-Eye: So grizzled you can't tell whether he still has any hair left or if those are wrinkles inside his wrinkles. Ebony in original skin-tone, but his body has been so abused with drink and general wasting, that he has splotches on his splotches. Looking at him standing, you'd think he'd be too arthritic to walk, but he's incredibly spry and dexterous. He always looks like he's about to cackle, when in company, but by himself--or, very rarely, when he's being serious with someone--his soul of wisdom becomes looks out of his ancient eyes. Goblin: Never has a serious moment in his life, whether alone or in company, drunk or sober. His nickname comes from his misshapen face, a rictus he cannot get rid of (a scar? a tic?). Everyone--everything--is a source of sour amusement to him: not jolly, but cynically amused at the world, which he knows is going to get him as soon as he turns his back. the Lady: Standing, smiling sweetly, you think she's about 22; then she turns to order her empire into motion, and she seems about twice that age and made of steel; then she sinks into her own thoughts in inward-turning silence, and you begin to suspect there are centuries to add to that. She never shows that any person or any event has made a mark upon her soul--all is just grist for her to contemplate and come up with the way to turn it to her advantage. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 04 Sep 2001 17:54:02 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:36 AM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wright Frazier <khelek@home.com> > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character > > > > Spoilers and such.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catcher was most definately evil, however you are missin why she doesn't > get > > #1. Her whole schtick was revenge on lady. She'd never have gone so far > as > > to kill Lady and let the game end. > > she though she killed her and the company( not imprisoned them) > > So she might have been nuts, but her goal was the game with > > Lady. She'd have not gone to the length Croaker did. > > so it makes her less evil? because she ONLY played a game? And you think if > she had the power to destroy the world( and the company who was on this > world), she wouldnt do it? its pretty naive I think > > Mocker > Whoops ya right, forgot that SC thought she had killed the Captured. However she did have the capability to destroy the world at any time she wanted by breakin the shadowgate, or just by roaming around burning down villages at a whim cause no one around was big enough to stop her. Wright ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wright Frazier" <khelek@home.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 04 Sep 2001 18:03:18 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1356B.E020BFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageCroaker: Jerry Doyle. (the guy who played Garibaldi in Babylon = 5.) Fits the bill perfectly, and if ya look at the cover of She is the = Darkness, that is a picture of croaker on the cover and Doyle looks a = bit like him. Also Doyle is great at pulling off the sarcastic and grim = humor that Croaker has. Goblin: Peter Jurasik. Played Londo on B5 (can you tell I'm a b5 fan?). = Great at playing a jester and then switching to dead serious fast. Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie hmmm some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree = with. Ok #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the = big screen or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not = known actors/actresses. This is simply on the fact that you want to = focus more on the storyline then on the characters. Although Croaker is = the main element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey = his cynicism, you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. =20 that said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo. for = Raven, I see more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could = do it, I dont think he would be a good raven. I dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady. I have = always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern beauty. Such = as someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with just = a hint of color, and very black/raven wavy hair. Catherine zeta jones, = while absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit = that. How about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant = remember if he had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind = on the re-read) Ron Perlman. I think his presence would work with that = very well :) awright thats my 2 bits later nick -----Original Message----- From: Sam Roberts [mailto:Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I = tend to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and = Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting = machines, more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that = was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from = Gladiator, Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any = movie would likely just be based on The Black Company and not include = Mogaba until well into sequel territory. I actually envision these = books done more justice as a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event = ala SciFi channels ambitious (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to = give the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but = physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and = Madelaine a little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, = young, fresh and nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well = put together dark haired beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her = work, as far as name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the = physical bill the best. If I were casting this thing, however I would = probably look for a talented unknown. Keep in mind that Lady isn't an = actual physical presence in The Black Company until well into the book, = I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new = hottie ing=E9nue would work well. =20 Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as = the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's = a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be = happy just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat = members of the Company like maybe Silent. Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the = other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so = well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' = Sergeant Zim) Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie = geek? Sam -----Original Message----- From: Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com]=20 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for = he was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and = mean. Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be = a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of = these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. = Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 = minute part at best. Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness = well. He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an = incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always = think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, = Shad in Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_ well. Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 From: S. Hill=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated = movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If = there were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in = the major=20 >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as = Goblin. One-Eye,=20 >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the = villain in "Speed"=20 >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison = Ford as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. =20 >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in = for Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good = choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, = especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam = Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. = If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little = tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as = Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be = aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first = trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with = make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian = Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister = and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a = great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie = would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not = taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, = Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1356B.E020BFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Croaker: Jerry Doyle. (the guy = who played=20 Garibaldi in Babylon 5.) Fits the bill perfectly, and if ya look = at the=20 cover of She is the Darkness, that is a picture of croaker on the cover = and=20 Doyle looks a bit like him. Also Doyle is great at pulling off the = sarcastic and grim humor that Croaker has.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Goblin: Peter Jurasik. Played = Londo on B5=20 (can you tell I'm a b5 fan?). Great at playing a jester and then = switching=20 to dead serious fast.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DAndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu=20 = href=3D"mailto:AndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu">AndersNJ@bscmail.buffal= ostate.edu</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, = 2001 1:17=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: (glencook-fans) BC = Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>hmmm=20 some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree=20 with.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Ok=20 #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the big = screen=20 or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not known=20 actors/actresses. This is simply on the fact that you want to = focus more=20 on the storyline then on the characters. Although Croaker is the = main=20 element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey his = cynicism,=20 you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. = </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>that=20 said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo. for = Raven, I see=20 more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could do it, I = dont think=20 he would be a good raven.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20 dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady. I = have=20 always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern = beauty. Such=20 as someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with = just a hint=20 of color, and very black/raven wavy hair. Catherine zeta jones, = while=20 absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit=20 that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>How=20 about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant remember = if he=20 had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind on the = re-read) Ron=20 Perlman. I think his presence would work with that very well=20 :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>awright thats my 2 bits</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>later</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>nick</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D747201118-04092001></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam Roberts=20 [mailto:Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, = September 04,=20 2001 1:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: = (glencook-fans) BC=20 Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames = but I=20 tend to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and=20 Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean = fighting machines, more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled = out. =20 Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like = Djimon=20 Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque from Amistad) = instead. A=20 moot point though, since any movie would likely just be based on The = Black=20 Company and not include Mogaba until well into sequel = territory. I=20 actually envision these books done more justice as a = lengthy,=20 gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious=20 (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As=20 for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big=20 thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically = wrong=20 for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a = little too=20 old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh = and=20 nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put = together=20 dark haired beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her = work, as=20 far as name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the = physical bill=20 the best. If I were casting this thing, however I would = probably look=20 for a talented unknown. Keep in mind that Lady isn't an actual = physical presence in The Black Company until well into the book, I = think=20 keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie = ing=E9nue=20 would work well. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd = rather see him=20 as the Captain, he fits my mental picture = better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but = Croaker's a=20 toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although=20 I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to=20 see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of = the=20 Company like maybe Silent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I = went way=20 the other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could = do creepy=20 so well although he's just funny looking enough for=20 Goblin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship = Troopers'=20 Sergeant Zim)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell = I'm a movie=20 geek?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft><FONT=20 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = Wright=20 Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, = September 03,=20 2001 1:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = (glencook-fans) BC=20 Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there = can be no=20 Black Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D( = Short,=20 crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford =3D=20 One-Eye.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marylin Manson as the = Dominator? The=20 Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled = c) very=20 tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people = with=20 raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find = some=20 unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at = best.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mogaba? Not Michael Clark = Duncan. =20 He can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe = who was=20 a much nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames = on the=20 other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. =20 (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). = Ving does=20 menacing badass _VERY_ well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dforvalaka@cableone.net = href=3D"mailto:forvalaka@cableone.net">S.=20 Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September = 02, 2001=20 6:31 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = (glencook-fans) BC=20 Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV>>About to change the subject...</DIV> <DIV>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an = animated=20 movie</DIV> <DIV>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</DIV> <DIV>>~Dreamer</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be=20 released. If there were </DIV> <DIV>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to = cast in=20 the major </DIV> <DIV>>roles?</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito = as=20 Goblin. One-Eye, </DIV> <DIV>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who = was the=20 villain in "Speed" </DIV> <DIV>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off=20 hand. Harrison Ford as </DIV> <DIV>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma = Thurman=20 as Lady or Soulcatcher. </DIV> <DIV>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a = shoe in=20 for Magoba.</DIV> <DIV>></DIV><BR> <DIV> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis = Hopper is=20 a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it = off=20 too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and = he sips=20 tea. Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look = expressive and=20 sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great = One-Eye, if a=20 little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, = *could*=20 pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. = Johnny=20 Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the = Croaker of=20 the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to = waste=20 money with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the = Captain?=20 Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can = be a=20 bit sinister and with some work might work out as = Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob=20 Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as = Bonegnasher.=20 </DIV><BR> <DIV> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal = 2000 style=20 movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too = prohibitive, thus=20 not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave = program, Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K = movie.</DIV><BR><BR> <DIV>Just some opinions,</DIV> = <DIV>Steve</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><= /BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1356B.E020BFE0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Gruver" <richgru@worldnet.att.net> Subject: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 04 Sep 2001 23:03:52 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C13595.DDAA2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a movie = from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never gave = much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a few = nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening and = here is my 2 cents worth. 1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion = King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role. 2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance = they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's = daughter. 3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's kinda = big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he would = do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him. 4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong = authority figure. 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little = world weary. 6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I wouldn't = have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think about it. 7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits. 8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent. 9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman 10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can = be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny. 11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman) 12.Whisper- Kathy Bates 13.Elmo- Oliver Platt 14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of = hairy. 15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally = catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp. 16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do = much but stand around with his bucket hanging out). 17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)? 18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there = somewhere. 19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson 20.Sindawe- Danny Glover 21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could. 22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks). 23.Howler- Alan Rickman Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar = with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there. Richard Gruver ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C13595.DDAA2880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2462.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here = a little=20 because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It = amazes me=20 that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After = reading=20 a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening = and=20 here is my 2 cents worth.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV><BR>1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" = Scorpion=20 King) he has the right look and it would be another brief = role.<BR>2.=20 Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance = they could=20 use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's daughter.<BR>3.=20 Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's = kinda=20 big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he = would do=20 nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him.<BR>4. The = Captain-=20 Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority = figure.<BR>5. The=20 Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world=20 weary.<BR>6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I = wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think = about=20 it.<BR>7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits.<BR>8. Silent- Liam = Neeson,=20 strong actor and no worriy about his accent.<BR>9. Tom-Tom- Morgan=20 Freeman<BR>10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up = chair he=20 can be anybody you want and he can be seriously = funny.<BR>11.Goblin- Paul=20 Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman)<BR>12.Whisper- Kathy Bates<BR>13.Elmo- = Oliver=20 Platt<BR>14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort = of=20 hairy.<BR>15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, = occasionally=20 catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp.<BR>16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley = (another=20 Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand around with his = bucket=20 hanging out).<BR>17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)?<BR>18.Wheezy- = Willy=20 Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there = somewhere.<BR>19.Mogaba-=20 Samuel L. Jackson</DIV> <DIV>20.Sindawe- Danny Glover</DIV> <DIV>21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he = could.<BR>22.Willow=20 Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks).</DIV> <DIV>23.Howler- Alan Rickman</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very = familiar=20 with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.</DIV> <DIV>Richard Gruver</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C13595.DDAA2880-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <bawheeler@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 04 Sep 2001 21:09:50 -0700 ...would have to be "A Matter of Time" Lee Childs wrote: > Black Company > Lee Childs > > Troy Lefman wrote: > > >>What is your favorite single book story written by Glen? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <bawheeler@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) For everyone Date: 04 Sep 2001 21:12:31 -0700 I thought the specification was "single book story." Wouldn't that exclude books part of a series? (i.e. Black COmpany or Garret files) Lawrence Jenab wrote: > Soldiers Live or Black Company. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troy Lefman" <tslefman@ctcis.net> > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:08 AM > Subject: (glencook-fans) For everyone > > > >>What is your favorite single book story written by Glen? >> >> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov <igor@osc.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 05 Sep 2001 02:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Just to add my 2 cents worth - NONE of them was evil, BC is a story of a group (or rather groups) of people who're just trying to survive. Croaker said as much about the BC proper quite a few times, Lady (I think it was in "White Rose") mentioned that the only reason that she started trying to excell in magical abilities was her fear of death; Limper (and the rest of the Taken) have been tortured and almost-but-not-quite killed so many times they're driven half-mad by pain alone. Dominator put the whole nations to death in his time trying to conceal his true name - this is not to justify any of this (or any of them) but to say that the simple truth is this is a cruel world and sweet and fuzzy pink bunny-characters tend to have low life expectancy. This is I think one of the great charms of the realism in BC series - the way Mr. Cook shows the changing personalities of once-upon-a-time decent guys into what some people may see as homi-(or even geno-)-cidal monsters under the pressure of battle for survival. Igor P.S. I don't see that Napoleon "libirated" anyone either :) On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Wright Frazier wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:36 AM > Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wright Frazier <khelek@home.com> > > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:08 PM > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character > > > > > > > Spoilers and such.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catcher was most definately evil, however you are missin why she doesn't > > get > > > #1. Her whole schtick was revenge on lady. She'd never have gone so > far > > as > > > to kill Lady and let the game end. > > > > she though she killed her and the company( not imprisoned them) > > > > So she might have been nuts, but her goal was the game with > > > Lady. She'd have not gone to the length Croaker did. > > > > so it makes her less evil? because she ONLY played a game? And you think > if > > she had the power to destroy the world( and the company who was on this > > world), she wouldnt do it? its pretty naive I think > > > > Mocker > > > > Whoops ya right, forgot that SC thought she had killed the Captured. > However she did have the capability to destroy the world at any time she > wanted by breakin the shadowgate, or just by roaming around burning down > villages at a whim cause no one around was big enough to stop her. > > Wright > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character Date: 05 Sep 2001 10:37:27 +0200 I wanna give my two cents, too. > NONE of them was evil, BC is a story of a group (or rather groups) > of people who're just trying to survive. Croaker said as much > about the BC proper quite a few times, Lady (I think it was > in "White Rose") mentioned that the only reason that she started > trying to excell in magical abilities was her fear of death; > Limper (and the rest of the Taken) have been tortured and > almost-but-not-quite killed so many times they're driven half-mad > by pain alone. Dominator put the whole nations to death in his time > trying to conceal his true name - this is not to justify any > of this (or any of them) this part awright. but to say that the simple truth is > this is a cruel world and sweet and fuzzy pink bunny-characters > tend to have low life expectancy. no, no, no, no, no: they always survive. Since you decided to stick to the sweet characters: they only line on pages of heroic fantasy books. > This is I think one of the great charms of the realism in BC series - > the way Mr. Cook shows the changing personalities of > once-upon-a-time decent guys into what some people may see > as homi-(or even geno-)-cidal monsters under the pressure of > battle for survival. > aaaw... you pulled that one too far. It's not so simple. No man is an angel. I don't think the world changed the Dominator, Lady, Limper, Soulcatcher into monsters. Before it started changing them, thay had what it takes to act mercilessly. All they had to do was to reaveal it. And, the cruelty is definately not the sole quantity required: you have to pass many a accidental, dangerous, etc. situations. It's a combination of lucky, cruel, smart, charismatic- not only tough.. You can't just take any person and see them changing into rulers. They wouldn't last one minute. > > P.S. I don't see that Napoleon "libirated" anyone either :) Yes: Us. Wanna carry this on?[evil grin] > Greetings from Gwen gwen1@wp.pl -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 05 Sep 2001 06:42:12 -0500 Interesting choices. I think Wheezy was black (if I recall, he's from the same area as One Eye). Think we could get Willie Nelson to play him in blackface? (chuckle) -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:04 PM Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening and here is my 2 cents worth. 1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role. 2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's daughter. 3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him. 4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority figure. 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world weary. 6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think about it. 7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits. 8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent. 9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman 10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny. 11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman) 12.Whisper- Kathy Bates 13.Elmo- Oliver Platt 14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of hairy. 15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp. 16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand around with his bucket hanging out). 17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)? 18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there somewhere. 19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson 20.Sindawe- Danny Glover 21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could. 22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks). 23.Howler- Alan Rickman Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there. Richard Gruver << File: ATT00021.htm >> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 05 Sep 2001 21:07:05 -0700 Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!! NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Flugstad <pete_flugstad@icon-labs.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 05 Sep 2001 08:47:31 -0500 Wright Frazier wrote: > Croaker: Jerry Doyle. (the guy who played Garibaldi in Babylon 5.) > Fits the bill perfectly, and if ya look at the cover of She is the > Darkness, that is a picture of croaker on the cover and Doyle looks a > bit like him. Also Doyle is great at pulling off the sarcastic and > grim humor that Croaker has. Absolutely PERFECT! Andreas Katsulas, they guy up played G'Kar would make a good fit in the BC world, maybe as the Captain? He's definately got the chops for it. Hmmm, maybe the woman who played Ivanova, Claudia Christian, would make a good Lady? She's definately got the right complexion and hair. Hmmm, maybe not, not the nubile type. Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PrimalChrome" <chrome@wwisp.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 05 Sep 2001 09:15:06 -0500 It's not insane. It's called Business 101. If it don't make money....don't publish it. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:07 PM > Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any > idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character > stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any > thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is > UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!! > > ---------------------------------------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #135 Date: 05 Sep 2001 11:20:19 EDT --part1_8c.c324b52.28c79cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally, a release date for the new Glen Cook. Roc lists Angry Red Skies for release in March 2002. Of course release dates are subject to change so don't go lining up at the bookstore just yet. Scott --part1_8c.c324b52.28c79cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Finally, a release date for the new Glen Cook. Roc lists <U>Angry Red Skies</U> for <BR>release in March 2002. Of course release dates are subject to change so <BR>don't go lining up at the bookstore just yet. <BR> <BR>Scott</FONT></HTML> --part1_8c.c324b52.28c79cb3_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Lefman <tslefman@ctcis.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 05 Sep 2001 10:37:30 +0000 --------------C5CBAF918C19B6E68123FF59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "S. Hill" wrote: > A > >> >> Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for >> he was the one true One-Eye. =( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and >> mean. Fred Sanford = One-Eye. > > I agree on Red Foxx wholeheartedly. > > >> >> Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be >> a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none >> of these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White >> Rose. Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will >> have a 5 minute part at best. > > > The more I think about that, you are right, I was thinking > Manson along the lines of the just out of the crypt psycho bad god. He > was handsome before, but the centuries writhing in the crypt had taken > their toll. manson could be a slinky creep like Nightcrawler maybe. I > personally despise Manson, but he does have that undead look about > him. Maybe the guy who was Dracula in the sleeper Dracula 2000. > Vin Diesel would be a good bad guy. > > > > Steve > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . --------------C5CBAF918C19B6E68123FF59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <p>"S. Hill" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE> A <blockquote type=cite cite> <br><font face="arial"><font size=-1>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford = One-Eye.</font></font></blockquote> <p><font size=+0> I agree on Red Foxx wholeheartedly.</font> <br> <blockquote type=cite cite> <br><font face="arial"><font size=-1>Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</font></font></blockquote> <p><br><font size=+0> The more I think about that, you are right, I was thinking Manson along the lines of the just out of the crypt psycho bad god. He was handsome before, but the centuries writhing in the crypt had taken their toll. manson could be a slinky creep like Nightcrawler maybe. I personally despise Manson, but he does have that undead look about him. Maybe the guy who was Dracula in the sleeper Dracula 2000.</font> <br> </blockquote> Vin Diesel would be a good bad guy. <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br> <p><font size=+0>Steve</font> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.</blockquote> </html> --------------C5CBAF918C19B6E68123FF59-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:04:06 +0200 > he's very fit. Maybe mid 40's. He has several different personas that if he had this age at the beginning of Black Company( you're describing the captain so it probably is) he would be something of 70-80 in the last book I always though he had about 30 years at the begining of Black Company Mocker -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 05 Sep 2001 14:05:24 -0500 Mocker, "I always though he [Croaker] had about 30 years at the begining of Black Company" According to the Black Company Index web site http://www.connectexpress.com/~rfr/bcompany1.html Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign". The citation for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30. I'm not at home now, so I can't verify the citation. But that accords very well with my internal picture of Croaker--30 is way too young for him at the beginning of the saga. "if he had this age [mid 40's] at the beginning of Black Company (you're describing the captain so it probably is) he would be something of 70-80 in the last book" I estimate something like 20 or 25 years from the beginning of the saga till the end of Glittering Stone II, _She is the Darkness_ (those who have read the entire series will know why I choose that as the logical point for determining end ages). If it starts with Croaker around 45, this places him in his late 60's or so at the end--which is compatible with my picture of him at that time. If 70 seems too old to you, and you think it is 25 years, not 20, then make him 40 at the beginning; I won't quibble over 5 years. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:36:50 -0500 Mocker, Gwen, Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National Anthem--the music? Just the first line would do. I'm singing in a performance of "The Holocaust Cantata", which includes a very stirring song (composed in the concentration camps) of Polish resistance. The first line of the Polish National Anthem is quoted (in Polish); it would be interesting to know if the melody it's sung to is the Anthem melody. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Baker" <dave@reprobate.net> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 06 Sep 2001 01:31:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C13673.B5C4D840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MessageJust a few other thoughts regarding this. The Captain: Powers Booth (Red Dawn, Tombstone) The Lieutenant: Michael Biehn (Terminator, Aliens, Navy SEALS) Croaker: Bruce Willis. Silent - Wes Studi (The Sphinx in 'Mystery Men', Last of the Mohicans, Heat). Raven: Keifer Sutherland I've also thought Joey Lauren Adams (with black hair) could make a good Lady. Her voice sounds almost child-like and she looks (IMO) quite young. Too bad Richard Pryor is in such bad shape from MS, I think he could do a passable One Eye (since Redd Foxx isn't around, of course). Pryor sure looks old enough for the part these days. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Sam Roberts Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ingΘnue would work well. Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent. Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' Sergeant Zim) Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek? Sam -----Original Message----- From: Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford = One-Eye. Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best. Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving does menacing badass _VERY_ well. Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Hill To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there were >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. One-Eye, >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed" >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford as >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher. Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C13673.B5C4D840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>Just a=20 few other thoughts regarding this.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>The=20 Captain: Powers Booth (Red Dawn, Tombstone)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>The=20 Lieutenant: Michael Biehn (Terminator, Aliens, Navy = SEALS)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001>Croaker: Bruce Willis.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>Silent=20 - Wes Studi (The Sphinx in 'Mystery Men', Last of the Mohicans,=20 Heat).</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>Raven:=20 Keifer Sutherland</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D730345304-06092001>I've=20 also thought Joey Lauren Adams (with black hair) could make a good Lady. = Her=20 voice sounds almost child-like and she looks (IMO) quite young. Too bad = Richard=20 Pryor is in such bad shape from MS, I think he could do a passable One = Eye=20 (since Redd Foxx isn't around, of course). Pryor sure looks old enough = for the=20 part these days.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D730345304-06092001>Dave</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sam = Roberts<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: = (glencook-fans) BC=20 Movie<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm=20 very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to = think=20 they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I = always=20 got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more = slender=20 and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my=20 head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from = Gladiator,=20 Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since = any movie=20 would likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba = until=20 well into sequel territory. I actually envision these books = done more justice as a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event = ala=20 SciFi channels ambitious (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial size=3D2>As=20 for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big=20 thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically = wrong for=20 the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little = too=20 old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and=20 nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put = together dark=20 haired beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as = far as=20 name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill = the=20 best. If I were casting this thing, however I would probably = look for a=20 talented unknown. Keep in mind that Lady isn't an actual = physical=20 presence in The Black Company until well into the book, I think = keeping her=20 off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ing=E9nue would = work=20 well. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather = see him=20 as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but = Croaker's a=20 toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I=20 occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to see=20 him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the = Company like=20 maybe Silent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I = went way=20 the other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do = creepy=20 so well although he's just funny looking enough for=20 Goblin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship = Troopers'=20 Sergeant Zim)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow,=20 that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie=20 geek?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D263184816-04092001><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr = lang=3Den-us><FONT=20 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = Wright Frazier=20 [mailto:khelek@home.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 03, 2001 = 1:17=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> = Re:=20 (glencook-fans) BC Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that Red Foxx is dead there can = be no Black=20 Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, = crotchity,=20 melodramatic, and mean. Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marylin Manson as the = Dominator? The=20 Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) = very=20 tall. Manson meets none of these. He was killin people = with raw=20 strength in the White Rose. Prolly just need to find some = unknown for=20 him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mogaba? Not Michael Clark = Duncan. =20 He can't do menacing badness well. He'd make a great Sindawe = who was a=20 much nicer guy with an incredible physique. Vingh Rhames on = the other=20 hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. = (Marcelles=20 Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving does = menacing=20 badass _VERY_ well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wright</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:forvalaka@cableone.net" = title=3Dforvalaka@cableone.net>S.=20 Hill</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com"=20 = title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, = 2001 6:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = (glencook-fans) BC=20 Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <DIV>>About to change the subject...</DIV> <DIV>>I would like to see the BC book series made into an = animated=20 movie</DIV> <DIV>>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?</DIV> <DIV>>~Dreamer</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be = released. =20 If there were </DIV> <DIV>>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast = in the=20 major </DIV> <DIV>>roles?</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as = Goblin. One-Eye, </DIV> <DIV>>I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was = the=20 villain in "Speed" </DIV> <DIV>>and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off = hand. =20 Harrison Ford as </DIV> <DIV>>Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma = Thurman as=20 Lady or Soulcatcher. </DIV> <DIV>>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe = in for=20 Magoba.</DIV> <DIV>></DIV><BR> <DIV> Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis = Hopper is a=20 good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off = too,=20 especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he = sips tea.=20 Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive = and=20 sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, = if a=20 little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, = *could*=20 pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight. = Johnny=20 Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the = Croaker of=20 the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to = waste money=20 with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? = Maximilian=20 Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit = sinister=20 and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie = is a=20 great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher. = </DIV><BR> <DIV> Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 = style=20 movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, = thus=20 not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave = program,=20 Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K=20 movie.</DIV><BR><BR> <DIV>Just some opinions,</DIV> = <DIV>Steve</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>= ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C13673.B5C4D840-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Lefman <tslefman@ctcis.net> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 06 Sep 2001 06:32:47 +0000 Weren't One-Eye Goblin and Tom Tom in their hundreds, say about 200 or 300? I realize they had magic on their side, but... Steve Harris wrote: > Mocker, > > "I always though he [Croaker] had about 30 years at the begining of > Black Company" > > According to the Black Company Index web site > > http://www.connectexpress.com/~rfr/bcompany1.html > > Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign". The citation > for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30. I'm not at home now, so I can't > verify the citation. But that accords very well with my internal > picture of Croaker--30 is way too young for him at the beginning of the saga. > > "if he had this age [mid 40's] at the beginning of Black Company (you're > describing the captain so it probably is) he would be something of 70-80 > in the last book" > > I estimate something like 20 or 25 years from the beginning of the saga > till the end of Glittering Stone II, _She is the Darkness_ (those who > have read the entire series will know why I choose that as the logical > point for determining end ages). If it starts with Croaker around 45, > this places him in his late 60's or so at the end--which is compatible > with my picture of him at that time. If 70 seems too old to you, and > you think it is 25 years, not 20, then make him 40 at the beginning; I > won't quibble over 5 years. > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 06 Sep 2001 15:41:18 +0200 > Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign". The citation > for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30. I'm not at home now, so I can't i can remember where, but i had the ipmression that somewhere in the book shadow linger) was stated that they had been in Lady's service for several years( i have to check this) Mokcer -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BHardy1968@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 06 Sep 2001 10:00:43 EDT In a message dated 9/5/01 12:10:30 PM, harrissg@SLU.EDU writes: Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign". The citation for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30. I'm not at home now, so I can't verify the citation. But that accords very well with my internal picture of Croaker--30 is way too young for him at the beginning of the saga. "if he had this age [mid 40's] at the beginning of Black Company (you're describing the captain so it probably is) he would be something of 70-80 in the last book" Brian writes.... (Hope I remember how to do this. It's been over a year since I did anything but lurk.) Pg 56 of Dreams of Steel not only has a good description of Croaker, it also gives his age as "about 45 years old." On page 54 of the same book, Soulcatcher's beheading was described as "a decade and a half" ago. Granted, Glen Cook doesn't seem terribly worried about getting every little detail correct but this would put Croaker at about a sprightly 30 during the first book. (Anything younger than I am is "sprightly" / even if I'm not sure how to spell it.) Brian Hardy (Thank a teacher) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic Date: 06 Sep 2001 20:02:15 +0200 > Mocker, Gwen, > > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National > Anthem--the music? Just the first line would do. > No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't, I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When is this performance? Greetings from Gwen gwen1@wp.pl -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Vandenberg" <svandenb@mailer.fsu.edu> Subject: (glencook-fans) Remove from list Date: 06 Sep 2001 15:10:05 -0400 Hey, Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:02 PM > > > Mocker, Gwen, > > > > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National > > Anthem--the music? Just the first line would do. > > > No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so > don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't, > I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When is > this performance? > > Greetings from Gwen > gwen1@wp.pl > > -- > "Everyone want's your good- > don't let them take it!" > Stanislaw Jerzy Lec > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gray Lowell <glowell@flash.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list Date: 06 Sep 2001 12:23:23 -0700 On Thursday, September 6, 2001, at 12:10 PM, Scott Vandenberg wrote: > Hey, > Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list? > do you read the bottom of each email? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "PrimalChrome" <chrome@wwisp.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:23:07 -0500 Annoy Eric with off topic posts about Robert Jordan. heh heh heh ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:10 PM > Hey, > Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> > To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic > > > > > > > Mocker, Gwen, > > > > > > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National > > > Anthem--the music? Just the first line would do. > > > > > No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so > > don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't, > > I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When is > > this performance? > > > > Greetings from Gwen > > gwen1@wp.pl > > > > -- > > "Everyone want's your good- > > don't let them take it!" > > Stanislaw Jerzy Lec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Riccio" <mr1@rcosta.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic Date: 06 Sep 2001 15:48:23 -0400 Don't know if this is exactly what you need, but try: http://wings.buffalo.edu/info- poland/web/arts_culture/music/hymns/marsz/link.shtml They have a real audio download & sheet music listed. break a leg! M On 5 Sep 2001, at 18:36, Steve Harris wrote Date sent: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:36:50 -0500 Send reply to: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Mocker, Gwen, > > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National > Anthem--the music? Just the first line would do. > > I'm singing in a performance of "The Holocaust Cantata", which > includes a very stirring song (composed in the concentration camps) of > Polish resistance. The first line of the Polish National Anthem is > quoted (in Polish); it would be interesting to know if the melody it's > sung to is the Anthem melody. > > Steve > > ====================================================================== > = > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. Michele Riccio ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list Date: 06 Sep 2001 13:57:28 -0600 > Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list? I do, I do. <G> And you're gone. Quick and painless. I'd thought about leaving him around for the abuse, but I guess I was just in a different mood. Sorry. Thank you all for the thoughtful suggestions/instructions. Other people are apparently making use of them. (I guess they didn't know how to unsubscribe either.) And now we return you back to the lull in progress... -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> <owner-glencook-fans@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:58:31 -0500 Gwen, Our performance is in November, American Veterans' Day (Nov. 11?). Thanks for any help you can give--if you just know the tune and know musical notation, a written description of, say, the first two bars will be sufficient. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:05:08 -0600 The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore. (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575) The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues". Anyone able to go? -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 06 Sep 2001 17:49:31 -0500 Eric, I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday. Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening... Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 06 Sep 2001 17:28:21 -0600 > I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday. Great! Anyone else? Would you be willing to take some questions from the list to the discussion? (*** Remember, this is not a Black Company book. ***) Perhaps something like, "Was the character Glory Mooncalled modeled after Napoleon?" :) > Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening... Good luck buying one and getting it shipped to you by then. -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 06 Sep 2001 21:56:10 -0300 > Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any > idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character > stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any > thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is > UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!! It's the reason that Glitter Stone took so long to come out. Glen Cook wrote a DE book, couldn't sell it. All that time and effort spent writing a book and no money for it. None - so he vowed to never again write a novel that wasn't sold. Why? Because the Dread Empire books didn't sell well. I liked them, you liked them, lots of people on the list like them, but they didn't sell and the publisher lost money on them. How do we get that book published? Well, maybe we can contact the publishers and tell them we'd like to see it, but I doubt we'd have the numbers to impression them. The idea of Electronic Publishing has been raised before, but most ePublishers are just online vanity presses. There is hope though: Glen Cook's publishers are looking at a Print on Demand service and ePublishing for some of their backlist. If the Dread Empire books get added to those services and sell well then maybe, just maybe the publishers will want to publish that book and pay Cook for it. Which raises the question: What kind of shape is that book in? Let's assume the book needs some work - say 6 months or so to get it ready for publication. Would Cook devote that time to a book that would sell in limited quantities to fans following a series whose last book came out in 1988, or would he spend his time writting a mass market paperback? Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C.L. Yona" <junkboy@cyberwhirled.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie Date: 06 Sep 2001 22:10:16 -0400 I like Rutger Hauer as Croaker. He's good at that anti-hero type of thing. But that's just me. yer dog www.thegriffin.com Reviews of fantasy books, games, movies, and more ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 10:39:19 -0700 Good luck finding one. I have a spare but no way to get it to you by Mon. Steve Harris wrote: > Eric, > > I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday. > > Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening... > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 10:40:17 -0700 Ask if we will ever get to know Garretts first name. Eric Herrmann wrote: > > I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday. > > Great! Anyone else? > > Would you be willing to take some questions from the list to the discussion? > (*** Remember, this is not a Black Company book. ***) > > Perhaps something like, "Was the character Glory Mooncalled modeled after > Napoleon?" :) > > > Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening... > > Good luck buying one and getting it shipped to you by then. > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 07 Sep 2001 10:44:16 -0700 Ok, so if the book never comes out what would the chances be of getting Glen to just let us know waht hapens to Bragi and Kavelin ? Who ends up ruling? Anyone have his address? Or email account? Richard Chilton wrote: > > Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any > > idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character > > stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any > > thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is > > UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!! > > It's the reason that Glitter Stone took so long to come out. Glen Cook > wrote a DE book, couldn't sell it. All that time and effort spent > writing a book and no money for it. > None - so he vowed to never again write a novel that wasn't sold. > > Why? Because the Dread Empire books didn't sell well. I liked them, > you liked them, lots of people on the list like them, but they didn't > sell and the publisher lost money on them. > > How do we get that book published? Well, maybe we can contact the > publishers and tell them we'd like to see it, but I doubt we'd have the > numbers to impression them. The idea of Electronic Publishing has been > raised before, but most ePublishers are just online vanity presses. > There is hope though: Glen Cook's publishers are looking at a Print on > Demand service and ePublishing for some of their backlist. If the Dread > Empire books get added to those services and sell well then maybe, just > maybe the publishers will want to publish that book and pay Cook for it. > > Which raises the question: > What kind of shape is that book in? > Let's assume the book needs some work - say 6 months or so to get it > ready for publication. Would Cook devote that time to a book that would > sell in limited quantities to fans following a series whose last book > came out in 1988, or would he spend his time writting a mass market > paperback? > Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may > depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mokie <kristen@paper-tigers.org> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 02:04:19 -0700 Eric Herrmann wrote: > > The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book > discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore. > (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575) > > The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues". > Anyone able to go? I'm sure as hell going to try... Woo! ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 02:47:26 -0500 Eric, Bagel, Hokay, I'll try to remember: Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon? Does Garrett have a front name? More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy of SSB? (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll try that, too.) Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mokie <kristen@paper-tigers.org> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 03:12:10 -0700 > More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy > of SSB? (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll > try that, too.) It'd be easier to check the St. Louis Public Library--I know that as of "Red Iron Nights" release, they had a (more or less) complete collection of Cook's works. :) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 07 Sep 2001 12:41:40 +0200 > Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may > depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised. someone could ask him that at the Glen Cook Book Discussion someone mentioned Mocker -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <tptaylor@genuity.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 07:24:21 -0400 Eric; Do you know if the store is going to allow dial-up via a conference call? Methinks several folk (including myself) would gladly spring for long distance charges for the ability to chat with Glen. Any info would be appreciated. thanks for the heads-up! Regards; TT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Eric > Herrmann > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM > To: Glen Cook Fans > Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion > > > The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book > discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore. > (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575) > > The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues". > Anyone able to go? > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <tptaylor@genuity.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 07:24:21 -0400 Eric; Do you know if the store is going to allow dial-up via a conference call? Methinks several folk (including myself) would gladly spring for long distance charges for the ability to chat with Glen. Any info would be appreciated. thanks for the heads-up! Regards; TT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Eric > Herrmann > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM > To: Glen Cook Fans > Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion > > > The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book > discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore. > (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575) > > The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues". > Anyone able to go? > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 19:38:23 -0700 Not to be negative on ya, but it took me quite while to find a copy. Of course, a week later I found the one I thought I lost. Steve Harris wrote: > Eric, Bagel, > > Hokay, I'll try to remember: > > Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon? > Does Garrett have a front name? > > More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy > of SSB? (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll > try that, too.) > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Lefman <tslefman@ctcis.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 08:26:11 +0000 I wish. I have to work that night and didn't have time to ask off. (I live about 200 miles from St. Louis.) Eric Herrmann wrote: > The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book > discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore. > (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575) > > The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues". > Anyone able to go? > > -- > Eric Herrmann > <shpshftr@xmission.com> > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 10:38:49 -0600 > Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon? That was not a serious question. It was an example. Too bad Gwen wasn't around to appreciate it. :) -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 07 Sep 2001 13:48:30 -0300 Marcin Welnicki wrote: > > > Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may > > depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised. > > someone could ask him that at the Glen Cook Book Discussion someone > mentioned > We could ask him, but it wouldn't be the same question. A fan asking "Would you finish a book?" is different than a publisher asking "If we paid you a $X advance to finish a book we see selling a total of Y copies via print on demand and epublishing that should net you a total of $Z, would you do?" If he's fired up with inspiration for a new series that will sell as a mass market paperback he might feel the distraction of dusting off that old book just isn't worth it. Personally I'd love to see the DE series that Cook planned out finished, but if they only sold a few hundred copies it wouldn't pay for Cook's time. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #137 Date: 07 Sep 2001 14:19:35 EDT As an example of how poorly the Dread Empire books sold, the final book is STILL available from Amazon.com. I'd be shocked if it had a second printing, so that means that first printings are still available after a decade. Scott Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 14:21:20 -0500 Timothy, I just inquired--no provisions for conference calls for the SF/F meeting. And they don't have any copies of _Sweet Silver Blues_ either, I checked. Next stop, the library... Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 07 Sep 2001 14:21:20 -0500 Timothy, I just inquired--no provisions for conference calls for the SF/F meeting. And they don't have any copies of _Sweet Silver Blues_ either, I checked. Next stop, the library... Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vonder Haar, Peter C." <Peter.VonderHaar@bakerhughes.com> Subject: RE: Odp: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 07 Sep 2001 14:36:22 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Chilton [mailto:rchilton@auracom.com] > Marcin Welnicki wrote: > > > > > Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect > the answer may > > > depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer > is raised. > > > > someone could ask him that at the Glen Cook Book Discussion someone > > mentioned > > > > We could ask him, but it wouldn't be the same question. A fan asking > "Would you finish a book?" is different than a publisher asking "If we > paid you a $X advance to finish a book we see selling a total of Y > copies via print on demand and epublishing that should net you a total > of $Z, would you do?" Slightly off-topic, but would these questions be out of place in a discussion of "Sweet Silver Blues?" I guess if questions were exhausted about the book itself they could open the floor for others, just wondering. And in that case, someone ask him who the 3rd female Taken was. Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) Third female taken Date: 07 Sep 2001 16:45:24 -0300 > > Slightly off-topic, but would these questions be out of place in a > discussion of "Sweet Silver Blues?" I guess if questions were exhausted > about the book itself they could open the floor for others, just wondering. > And in that case, someone ask him who the 3rd female Taken was. > He was asked that at convention at one point. The answer was, well, he doesn't remember which of them were suppost to be female. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire Date: 07 Sep 2001 22:53:40 +0200 > If he's fired up with inspiration for a new series that will sell as a > mass market paperback he might feel the distraction of dusting off that > old book just isn't worth it. if he has finished the book (and doesnt want to publish it) he could just give free what he wrote ;))) Mocker -- Mmm czesc to ja. Chcesz mnie ... rozebrac? OK, zagraj ze mna w ruletke [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: (glencook-fans) SSB question Date: 07 Sep 2001 20:38:24 -0500 Here's a question for Glen that is SSB related. I heard somewhere on this list that Glen was using Middle Western US geography for the world in SSB. In that case, places like the Cantard might be West Texas and New Mexico, etc. Karenta proper and the area around TunFaire might be the Ozarks and upper Missippi valley. Etc. I've done a fair bit of careful reading of the books for place names and relationships, particularly the early books where the stories actually leave TunFaire. My best analysis says "could be" but there's no compelling gotcha that makes me feel strongly that it is or isn't. As was the case with BC, there is no map. Ask him if the geography of the Karentine world is based on any real geography. Here's my guess: no it's not, because it seems to me that GC does not want to think that hard about stuff that does not drive the plot forward. But I could be wrong. And I am curious. DG ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SSB question Date: 08 Sep 2001 18:27:08 -0500 David, I just read SSB last night. Can't say I found any justification for a real-world geography in it, but I'll try to remember to ask. The one thing I did notice, right at the beginning, was Garrett's old ship when he was in the marines: the Imperial Kimmswick. Imperial and Kimmswick are too tiny hamlets facing one another across I-55, less than an hour's drive south along 55 from St. Louis. ------------------ spoiler for Sweet Silver Blues: And why in hell were all sorts of people trying to see if Garrett twigged to lists of names and phrases? (The unnamed major wasn't really investigating anything, he was covering up things, being the shapeshifter Venagati agent.) And what's with the Darkelfin prophecy, "Dawn of Night's Mercy/Madness"?? If this is revealed in later novels, just tell me that, but don't reveal it :) Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David George <d.s.george@verizon.net> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SSB question Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:18:04 -0500 Thanks. On the use of place names, GC has done this other places too. I can't remember but it came up in this list before and it is probably in the archive. Maybe it was names of taken, or something. Can't recall. On the stuff in the spoilers, I flat out don't remember those things being important later. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:27 PM David, I just read SSB last night. Can't say I found any justification for a real-world geography in it, but I'll try to remember to ask. The one thing I did notice, right at the beginning, was Garrett's old ship when he was in the marines: the Imperial Kimmswick. Imperial and Kimmswick are too tiny hamlets facing one another across I-55, less than an hour's drive south along 55 from St. Louis. ------------------ spoiler for Sweet Silver Blues: And why in hell were all sorts of people trying to see if Garrett twigged to lists of names and phrases? (The unnamed major wasn't really investigating anything, he was covering up things, being the shapeshifter Venagati agent.) And what's with the Darkelfin prophecy, "Dawn of Night's Mercy/Madness"?? If this is revealed in later novels, just tell me that, but don't reveal it :) Steve ======================================================== =============== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SSB question Date: 09 Sep 2001 15:22:31 -0700 Sometimes I think he just starts makih up any name he feels like. What about the towns Six and Fred the BC passes in Shadow games? David George wrote: > Thanks. On the use of place names, GC has done this other > places too. I can't remember but it came up in this list > before and it is probably in the archive. Maybe it was > names of taken, or something. Can't recall. On the stuff > in the spoilers, I flat out don't remember those things > being important later. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Harris > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:27 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SSB question > > David, > > I just read SSB last night. Can't say I found any > justification for a > real-world geography in it, but I'll try to remember to > ask. > > The one thing I did notice, right at the beginning, was > Garrett's old > ship when he was in the marines: the Imperial Kimmswick. > > Imperial and Kimmswick are too tiny hamlets facing one > another across > I-55, less than an hour's drive south along 55 from St. > Louis. > > ------------------ > > spoiler for Sweet Silver Blues: > > And why in hell were all sorts of people trying to see if > Garrett > twigged to lists of names and phrases? (The unnamed major > wasn't really > investigating anything, he was covering up things, being > the > shapeshifter Venagati agent.) And what's with the > Darkelfin prophecy, > "Dawn of Night's Mercy/Madness"?? If this is revealed in > later novels, > just tell me that, but don't reveal it :) > > Steve > > ======================================================== > =============== > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this > list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SSB question Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:16:03 -0300 > From: Steve Harris > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:27 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SSB question > > > ------------------ > > spoiler for Sweet Silver Blues: > > And why in hell were all sorts of people trying to see if > Garrett > twigged to lists of names and phrases? (The unnamed major > wasn't really > investigating anything, he was covering up things, being > the > shapeshifter Venagati agent.) And what's with the My guess? They were watching his reaction as the names were mentioned in an effort to see if he recognized any of them. Why? He might be an agent investigating something... After all if you're a double agent in a war zone and 'an investigator from the capital' shows up it would pay to be paranoid about the guy. Maybe he wouldn't actually be part of a special unit - say you take him at his word that he is in town acting on a wil - maybe someone is using him. Maybe the whole thing is a setup and the real interest is what the agent will learn while acting on the will. Maybe 'Joe Smith' [I can't remember the list, so I'm inventing Joe Smith] from the war office happens to be one of the relatives that Garnet will be reporting to, and Joe will be asking Garnet how it went and did he notice anything special about a certain Major? If so, Garrett's reaction might tell you something - something that could save your life. Garrett could honestly believe his story and still be a plant. Someone who's interested in what's his name kid - the guy we had to kill to cover what happened at the church: Are you (as a spy and double agent type) willing to bet your life that Garrett isn't part of some plot to uncover your misdeeds? Maybe someone back home killed Garrett's friend and fake the will just to draw out the traitor. Being a spy and a traitor can really make you paranoid - so you investigate everyone who might be a threat. > Darkelfin prophecy, > "Dawn of Night's Mercy/Madness"?? If this is revealed in > later novels, > just tell me that, but don't reveal it :) > I don't recall seeing it in any of the later books. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> Subject: (glencook-fans) FA: Sung In Blood Date: 09 Sep 2001 16:50:57 -0600 Glen Cook - Sung In Blood -1st ed signed RARE Item # 1463714401 Bidding currently $50. (No, it's not my auction or anyone I know.) -- Eric Herrmann <shpshftr@xmission.com> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "don" <dfgarcia@stic.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 09 Sep 2001 18:49:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C13960.2E373C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Richard, Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas Cage for = Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was permission granted = for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for clergy? ; } = =20 Do you all remember the last Alien movie. Remember the guy with the = raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe he also played = the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he would = make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker = his name because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one = of the bad movies he appeared. You know who would make the perfect = Raven. Glen Danzig. Don't know if he can act though.=20 Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Gruver=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a = movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never = gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a = few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening = and here is my 2 cents worth. 1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion = King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role. 2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer = assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and = Lady's daughter. 3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's = kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he = would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him. 4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong = authority figure. 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little = world weary. 6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I = wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think = about it. 7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits. 8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent. 9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman 10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can = be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny. 11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman) 12.Whisper- Kathy Bates 13.Elmo- Oliver Platt 14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of = hairy. 15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally = catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp. 16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do = much but stand around with his bucket hanging out). 17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)? 18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there = somewhere. 19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson 20.Sindawe- Danny Glover 21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could. 22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks). 23.Howler- Alan Rickman Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very = familiar with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there. Richard Gruver ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C13960.2E373C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Richard,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I = didn't get #21=20 Nicholas Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was = permission=20 granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for = clergy? ;=20 } </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do you all remember the last Alien = movie. Remember=20 the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe = he also=20 played the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he = would=20 make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker = his name=20 because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad = movies=20 he appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. = Don't know=20 if he can act though. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don<BR>"In time, what's deserved always = gets=20 served"- COC</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drichgru@worldnet.att.net=20 href=3D"mailto:richgru@worldnet.att.net">Richard Gruver</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, = 2001 11:03=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (glencook-fans) = Casting the BC=20 Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Y'all are gonna have to indulge me = here a little=20 because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It = amazes me=20 that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. = After=20 reading a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while = this=20 evening and here is my 2 cents worth.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2> <DIV><BR>1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" = Scorpion=20 King) he has the right look and it would be another brief = role.<BR>2.=20 Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance = they=20 could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's = daughter.<BR>3.=20 Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), = he's kinda=20 big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he = would do=20 nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him.<BR>4. = The=20 Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority=20 figure.<BR>5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent = and a=20 little world weary.<BR>6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper = on this=20 one. I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i = think=20 about it.<BR>7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits.<BR>8. Silent- = Liam=20 Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent.<BR>9. Tom-Tom- = Morgan=20 Freeman<BR>10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up = chair he=20 can be anybody you want and he can be seriously = funny.<BR>11.Goblin- Paul=20 Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman)<BR>12.Whisper- Kathy Bates<BR>13.Elmo- = Oliver=20 Platt<BR>14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and = sort of=20 hairy.<BR>15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, = occasionally=20 catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp.<BR>16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley = (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand = around with=20 his bucket hanging out).<BR>17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle=20 Yeow(sp)?<BR>18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have = Willy in=20 there somewhere.<BR>19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson</DIV> <DIV>20.Sindawe- Danny Glover</DIV> <DIV>21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he = could.<BR>22.Willow=20 Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks).</DIV> <DIV>23.Howler- Alan Rickman</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very = familiar=20 with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.</DIV> <DIV>Richard Gruver</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C13960.2E373C20-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "don" <dfgarcia@stic.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 09 Sep 2001 18:53:25 -0500 Let's hear it for the St. Louis Public Library! The San Antonio Library has a very limited, if not rare, selection of two of the three Darkwar books and a hard cover version of Tower of Fear. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:12 AM > > More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy > > of SSB? (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll > > try that, too.) > > It'd be easier to check the St. Louis Public Library--I know that as of > "Red Iron Nights" release, they had a (more or less) complete collection > of Cook's works. :) > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 09 Sep 2001 19:55:56 -0700 <html> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><br> =A0<br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Do you all remember the last Alien movie. Remember the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe he also played the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he would make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker his name because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad movies he appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. Don't know if he can act though. </font></blockquote><br> <br> <font size=3D3> Yeah, he was Top Dollar in the Crow, cannot think of his name, he also played a bad cop in Romeo is Bleeding (not Romeo must Die, different movie). He would make a great Croaker, he already looks jaded and wise.<br> Danzig played one of the rebel angels (suprise, suprise) in the last Prophecy movie. No really much acting in the scene, but he found himself in a movie. Doesn't he just go by Gdansk now?<br> <br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>=A0<br> </font><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>Don<br> "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC</font></blockquote><br> <font size=3D3> Cool Corrosion signature, btw.<br> <br> Steve</font></html> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Gruver" <richgru@att.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 09 Sep 2001 22:34:17 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1397F.8F994160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was a bit of a joke, when your uncle is Francis Ford Copala(sp?) = you can play any damn thing you want. Richard ----- Original Message -----=20 From: don=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Hey Richard, Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas Cage for = Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was permission granted = for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for clergy? ; } = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1397F.8F994160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2462.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That was a bit of a joke, when your = uncle is=20 Francis Ford Cop</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ala(sp?) you can play = any damn=20 thing you want.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Ddfgarcia@stic.net href=3D"mailto:dfgarcia@stic.net">don</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 09, = 2001 6:49=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) = Casting the=20 BC Movie</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Richard,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I = didn't get #21=20 Nicholas Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was=20 permission granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a = grudge=20 for clergy? ; } </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1397F.8F994160-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donnafair@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 10 Sep 2001 02:05:11 EDT --part1_85.fb45a9e.28cdb217_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/01 5:03:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dfgarcia@stic.net writes: > 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world > weary. > Aaahhhhhhhhhhh!! /me runs and hides from that one! --part1_85.fb45a9e.28cdb217_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT COLOR="#0080ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Lucida Sans Unicode" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/9/01 5:03:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dfgarcia@stic.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world <BR>weary. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0080ff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Lucida Sans Unicode" LANG="0"> <BR>Aaahhhhhhhhhhh!! <BR> <BR>/me runs and hides from that one!</FONT></HTML> --part1_85.fb45a9e.28cdb217_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 10 Sep 2001 00:34:09 -0500 Hi, all, Yes, the St. Louis library came through for me with _The Garrett Files_. I read Sweet Silver Blues in just about one sitting, Friday night; this evening I finished Bitter Gold Tears. What is it with these stories? They're *terrible*--plots that creak because they're so over-wound, characters that are entirely one-dimensional (oh, OK, Garrett's almost two-dimensional), *far* more characters running around than there's any excuse for, no cleverness or character development or moral quandaries or anything else of any literary value--and yet, and yet, I can't put 'em down! It's past midnight and I'm going back downstairs, soon's I finish this letter, to start the third story in the collection... Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <tptaylor@genuity.com> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 10 Sep 2001 07:14:44 -0400 Thanks Steve. It was worth a shot. Next time I'll just have to provision Leeliu, and DRIVE there. Have fun! Regards; TT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Harris > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:21 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Cc: Glen Cook Fans > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion > > > Timothy, > > I just inquired--no provisions for conference calls for the SF/F meeting. > > And they don't have any copies of _Sweet Silver Blues_ either, I > checked. Next stop, the library... > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Lefman <tslefman@ctcis.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 10 Sep 2001 08:00:51 +0000 --------------D253FE45B1964EE2680AEABA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would that be Michael Wincott? don wrote: > Hey Richard,Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas > Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was > permission granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a > grudge for clergy? ; } Do you all remember the last Alien movie. > Remember the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's > captain. I believe he also played the bad guy in The Crow. It has > always stuck in my head that he would make a good Croaker. Besides > having the voice (I know they gave Croaker his name because he was a > field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad movies he > appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. > Don't know if he can act though. Don > "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Gruver > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:03 PM > Subject: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie > Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because > casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It > amazes me that I never gave much thought to it as far as > "The Company" goes. After reading a few nominations here, I > have thought about it for a while this evening and here is > my 2 cents worth. > 1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" > Scorpion King) he has the right look and it would be another > brief role. > 2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer > assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for > Croaker and Lady's daughter. > 3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), > he's kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short > beard I think he would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of > dreamy quality about him. > 4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and > strong authority figure. > 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent > and a little world weary. > 6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. > I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now > that i think about it. > 7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits. > 8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his > accent. > 9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman > 10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up > chair he can be anybody you want and he can be seriously > funny. > 11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman) > 12.Whisper- Kathy Bates > 13.Elmo- Oliver Platt > 14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and > sort of hairy. > 15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, > occasionally catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp. > 16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't > have to do much but stand around with his bucket hanging > out). > 17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)? > 18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have > Willy in there somewhere. > 19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson20.Sindawe- Danny > Glover21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he > could. > 22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the > looks).23.Howler- Alan Rickman Darling would have to be > played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar with asian > or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.Richard > Gruver > --------------D253FE45B1964EE2680AEABA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Would that be Michael Wincott? <p>don wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Hey Richard,</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was permission granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for clergy? ; }</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Do you all remember the last Alien movie. Remember the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe he also played the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he would make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker his name because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad movies he appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. Don't know if he can act though.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Don</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>"In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC</font></font> <blockquote dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div> <div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:richgru@worldnet.att.net" title="richgru@worldnet.att.net">Richard Gruver</a></div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com" title="glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com</a></div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:03 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie</div> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening and here is my 2 cents worth.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's daughter.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority figure.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world weary.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think about it.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman)</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>12.Whisper- Kathy Bates</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>13.Elmo- Oliver Platt</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of hairy.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand around with his bucket hanging out).</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)?</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there somewhere.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>20.Sindawe- Danny Glover</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could.</font></font> <br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks).</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>23.Howler- Alan Rickman</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Richard Gruver</font></font></blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------D253FE45B1964EE2680AEABA-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Roberts <Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu> Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 10 Sep 2001 10:24:11 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13A1D.6817D720 Content-Type: text/plain Yes that is Michael Wincott. He was also the kidnapper in Along Came A Spider. If that movie had been more about him instead of the ridiculous plot twists, it would have been much better. I vote for him as Raven instead of Croaker. He's great at being quietly menacing. Sam -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:01 AM Would that be Michael Wincott? don wrote: Hey Richard,Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was permission granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for clergy? ; } Do you all remember the last Alien movie. Remember the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe he also played the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he would make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker his name because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad movies he appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. Don't know if he can act though. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message ----- <mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:03 PM Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening and here is my 2 cents worth. 1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role. 2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's daughter. 3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him. 4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority figure. 5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world weary. 6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think about it. 7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits. 8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent. 9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman 10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny. 11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman) 12.Whisper- Kathy Bates 13.Elmo- Oliver Platt 14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of hairy. 15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp. 16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand around with his bucket hanging out). 17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)? 18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there somewhere. 19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson20.Sindawe- Danny Glover21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could. 22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks).23.Howler- Alan Rickman Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.Richard Gruver ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13A1D.6817D720 Content-Type: text/html <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=685440317-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes that is Michael Wincott. He was also the kidnapper in Along Came A Spider. If that movie had been more about him instead of the ridiculous plot twists, it would have been much better. I vote for him as Raven instead of Croaker. He's great at being quietly menacing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=685440317-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=685440317-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Troy Lefman [mailto:tslefman@ctcis.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 10, 2001 1:01 AM<BR><B>To:</B> glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Would that be Michael Wincott? <P>don wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Hey Richard,</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Fellow Texan here (San Antonio). I didn't get #21 Nicholas Cage for Blade. Are you his uncle, if not it what manner was permission granted for Cage to play a tall muscular black man with a grudge for clergy? ; }</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Do you all remember the last Alien movie. Remember the guy with the raspy voice who was the cargo ship's captain. I believe he also played the bad guy in The Crow. It has always stuck in my head that he would make a good Croaker. Besides having the voice (I know they gave Croaker his name because he was a field surgeon) I always liked him in any one of the bad movies he appeared. You know who would make the perfect Raven. Glen Danzig. Don't know if he can act though.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Don</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>"In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC</FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=richgru@worldnet.att.net href="mailto:richgru@worldnet.att.net">Richard Gruver</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com href="mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:03 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Y'all are gonna have to indulge me here a little because casting a movie from a book is one of my favorite games. It amazes me that I never gave much thought to it as far as "The Company" goes. After reading a few nominations here, I have thought about it for a while this evening and here is my 2 cents worth.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>1. The Dominator- The Rock (Wrestler and "the Mummy Returns" Scorpion King) he has the right look and it would be another brief role.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>2. Lady/Soulcatcher- Christina Ricci, with a little computer assistance they could use her Wednesday Adamms persona for Croaker and Lady's daughter.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>3. Croaker- David Morse (the other Guard on the Green Mile), he's kinda big and maybe a little paunchy and with a short beard I think he would do nicely. Plus he has a sort of dreamy quality about him.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>4. The Captain- Robert Duval, very commanding presense and strong authority figure.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>5. The Leutenant- Christopher Walken, handsome, competent and a little world weary.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>6. The Limper- I'll go along with Dennis Hopper on this one. I wouldn't have thought of him but he would be perfect now that i think about it.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>7. Raven- Russell Crow, even the name fits.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>8. Silent- Liam Neeson, strong actor and no worriy about his accent.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>9. Tom-Tom- Morgan Freeman</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>10.One-eye- Eddie Murphy, with enough time in the make up chair he can be anybody you want and he can be seriously funny.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>11.Goblin- Paul Reubens (AKA Peewee Herman)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>12.Whisper- Kathy Bates</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>13.Elmo- Oliver Platt</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>14.-Shapeshifter- John Rys-Davies, big boistrous, loud and sort of hairy.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>15.Murgen- Johnny Depp- Hallucinating, time traveling, occasionally catatonic Murgen is perfect for Depp.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>16.Big Bucket-Mick Foley (another Wrestler but he wouldn't have to do much but stand around with his bucket hanging out).</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>17.Sahra- Lucy Liu or Michelle Yeow(sp)?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>18.Wheezy- Willy Nelson, Hey I'm a Texan, Ya gotta have Willy in there somewhere.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>19.Mogaba- Samuel L. Jackson</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>20.Sindawe- Danny Glover</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>21.Blade- Nicholas Cage, because his uncle said he could.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>22.Willow Swan- Alexander Godunov (just for the looks).</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>23.Howler- Alan Rickman</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Darling would have to be played by an unknown, and I'm not very familiar with asian or Indian(east) actors so I won't try to go there.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Richard Gruver</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13A1D.6817D720-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Casting the BC Movie Date: 10 Sep 2001 10:57:08 -0700 <html> <br> <blockquote type=cite cite>Would that be Michael Wincott? <br> </blockquote><br> Let me whip this out... (saw Blazing Saddles again after years the other day)<br> <br> *pulling out Crow movie*<br> <br> Why yes, you are correct. I should have just read the box yesterday.<br> <br> Steve<br> </html> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 11 Sep 2001 00:39:49 -0500 Hi, all, I'm afraid Glen Cook was a no-show; he kinda needs a minder :) We reached him by phone at home, though, and had a phone-interview. And all my Important Questions got asked: The next Garrett book, _Angry Lead Skies_, is due out in the spring. He's now hard at work on a new trilogy, something in the style of the George R. R. Martin series, "Song of Ice and Fire", in that it is primarily Europe-with-an-alternate-geography. I asked about "your new mystery book", and he thought at first I meant yet another Garrett book--he didn't think anyone knew about the near-future police procedural (he told me about it at last Archon); he's submitted that one, but it's not yet been picked up by any publisher. And, yes he *is* planning on a new Black Company book--continuing on in time with the Company (or whatever), not going back for a prequel or the like. About the unpublished Dread Empire book: He wrote that years'n'years ago, he thinks about 85% finished--but he hasn't seen it in so long he doesn't even know where it is now. Someone asked him when he started writing the Garrett books: He said he began in 1980, with the "non-fantasy" version (!!). Turning it into fantasy, he started putting that series out in parallel with the Black Company series. Pretty good for a 10-minute interview :) Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S. Hill" <forvalaka@cableone.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 11 Sep 2001 04:44:11 -0700 Steve: Just wanted to take a minute to thank you for the post, it is very informative. Anyone going to see Mr. Cook at a convention elsewhere? I live out in the wild and wooly west and he never seems to make it out here. Take care, another Steve >Hi, all, > >I'm afraid Glen Cook was a no-show; he kinda needs a minder :) We >reached him by phone at home, though, and had a phone-interview. And >all my Important Questions got asked: > >The next Garrett book, _Angry Lead Skies_, is due out in the spring. >He's now hard at work on a new trilogy, something in the style of the >George R. R. Martin series, "Song of Ice and Fire", in that it is >primarily Europe-with-an-alternate-geography. I asked about "your new >mystery book", and he thought at first I meant yet another Garrett >book--he didn't think anyone knew about the near-future police >procedural (he told me about it at last Archon); he's submitted that >one, but it's not yet been picked up by any publisher. > >And, yes he *is* planning on a new Black Company book--continuing on in >time with the Company (or whatever), not going back for a prequel or the like. > >About the unpublished Dread Empire book: He wrote that years'n'years >ago, he thinks about 85% finished--but he hasn't seen it in so long he >doesn't even know where it is now. > >Someone asked him when he started writing the Garrett books: He said he >began in 1980, with the "non-fantasy" version (!!). Turning it into >fantasy, he started putting that series out in parallel with the Black >Company series. > >Pretty good for a 10-minute interview :) > >Steve > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bagel <bagaele@netzero.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 12 Sep 2001 07:09:31 -0700 Thanks for the info. Even though I get bummed thinking about DE. Does anyone know if Glen ever does conventions or talks in other states? Steve Harris wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm afraid Glen Cook was a no-show; he kinda needs a minder :) We > reached him by phone at home, though, and had a phone-interview. And > all my Important Questions got asked: > > The next Garrett book, _Angry Lead Skies_, is due out in the spring. > He's now hard at work on a new trilogy, something in the style of the > George R. R. Martin series, "Song of Ice and Fire", in that it is > primarily Europe-with-an-alternate-geography. I asked about "your new > mystery book", and he thought at first I meant yet another Garrett > book--he didn't think anyone knew about the near-future police > procedural (he told me about it at last Archon); he's submitted that > one, but it's not yet been picked up by any publisher. > > And, yes he *is* planning on a new Black Company book--continuing on in > time with the Company (or whatever), not going back for a prequel or the like. > > About the unpublished Dread Empire book: He wrote that years'n'years > ago, he thinks about 85% finished--but he hasn't seen it in so long he > doesn't even know where it is now. > > Someone asked him when he started writing the Garrett books: He said he > began in 1980, with the "non-fantasy" version (!!). Turning it into > fantasy, he started putting that series out in parallel with the Black > Company series. > > Pretty good for a 10-minute interview :) > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! 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Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 13 Sep 2001 02:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Well done Steve! In 10 minutes you asked some great questions and got some very interesting answers. :-) A new trilogy is very exciting, as is a possible new BC book (not to mention Angry Lead Skies). I hope that his police drama does get published. Steve > >I'm afraid Glen Cook was a no-show; he kinda needs a minder :) We >reached him by phone at home, though, and had a phone-interview. And >all my Important Questions got asked: > >The next Garrett book, _Angry Lead Skies_, is due out in the spring. >He's now hard at work on a new trilogy, something in the style of the >George R. R. Martin series, "Song of Ice and Fire", in that it is >primarily Europe-with-an-alternate-geography. I asked about "your new >mystery book", and he thought at first I meant yet another Garrett >book--he didn't think anyone knew about the near-future police >procedural (he told me about it at last Archon); he's submitted that >one, but it's not yet been picked up by any publisher. > >And, yes he *is* planning on a new Black Company book--continuing on in >time with the Company (or whatever), not going back for a prequel or the like. > >About the unpublished Dread Empire book: He wrote that years'n'years >ago, he thinks about 85% finished--but he hasn't seen it in so long he >doesn't even know where it is now. > >Someone asked him when he started writing the Garrett books: He said he >began in 1980, with the "non-fantasy" version (!!). Turning it into >fantasy, he started putting that series out in parallel with the Black >Company series. > >Pretty good for a 10-minute interview :) > >Steve > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > -- Steve Chew - schew@interzone.com - http://www.interzone.com "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "don" <dfgarcia@stic.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 12 Sep 2001 09:18:47 -0500 Maybee we should send somethig to TOR or Roc letting them know there are a number of people who will buy anything the man puts down on paper. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:35 AM > > Well done Steve! In 10 minutes you asked some great questions > and got some very interesting answers. :-) A new trilogy is very > exciting, as is a possible new BC book (not to mention Angry Lead > Skies). I hope that his police drama does get published. > > Steve > > > > >I'm afraid Glen Cook was a no-show; he kinda needs a minder :) We > >reached him by phone at home, though, and had a phone-interview. And > >all my Important Questions got asked: > > > >The next Garrett book, _Angry Lead Skies_, is due out in the spring. > >He's now hard at work on a new trilogy, something in the style of the > >George R. R. Martin series, "Song of Ice and Fire", in that it is > >primarily Europe-with-an-alternate-geography. I asked about "your new > >mystery book", and he thought at first I meant yet another Garrett > >book--he didn't think anyone knew about the near-future police > >procedural (he told me about it at last Archon); he's submitted that > >one, but it's not yet been picked up by any publisher. > > > >And, yes he *is* planning on a new Black Company book--continuing on in > >time with the Company (or whatever), not going back for a prequel or the like. > > > >About the unpublished Dread Empire book: He wrote that years'n'years > >ago, he thinks about 85% finished--but he hasn't seen it in so long he > >doesn't even know where it is now. > > > >Someone asked him when he started writing the Garrett books: He said he > >began in 1980, with the "non-fantasy" version (!!). Turning it into > >fantasy, he started putting that series out in parallel with the Black > >Company series. > > > >Pretty good for a 10-minute interview :) > > > >Steve > > > >======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. > > > > > -- > Steve Chew - schew@interzone.com - http://www.interzone.com > "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of > altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their > views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the > facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:42:11 -0300 Steve Harris wrote: > > Bagel, > > "Does anyone know if Glen ever does conventions or talks in other states?" > > All the time! He spends nearly every weekend at a con, selling books. > Is he expensive as a con guest? I know the organizers of two local cons (and small) cons and would love to see him at one of them. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #141 Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:56:51 EDT I sent e-mails to Tor and the science fiction book club about six months ago telling them much the same things. The SFBC editors responded to my e-mail and thanked me for my suggestion. I never heard back from Tor. I also posted a message at the print-on-demand message board for Wildside books, suggesting that Cook's backlist be published via print-on-demand. The publisher said he would put them on a list for consideration. Perhaps if more people expressed their interest for reprint of old Cook books or new ones, something may get done. The Wildside web site is www.wildside.com. Scott <<Maybee we should send somethig to TOR or Roc letting them know there are a number of people who will buy anything the man puts down on paper. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC>> ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:16:08 -0500 Richard, "Is he expensive as a con guest?" I have no idea. He doesn't go as a guest, but as a bookseller. Since he retired from his day job a few(?) years ago, I suppose huckstering and writing are his sources or income. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #141 Date: 12 Sep 2001 15:29:37 -0300 Klobas@aol.com wrote: > > I sent e-mails to Tor and the science fiction book club about six months ago telling them much the same things. The SFBC editors responded to my e-mail and thanked me for my suggestion. I never heard back from Tor. > > I also posted a message at the print-on-demand message board for Wildside books, suggesting that Cook's backlist be published via print-on-demand. The publisher said he would put them on a list for consideration. Perhaps if more people expressed their interest for reprint of old Cook books or new ones, something may get done. The Wildside web site is www.wildside.com. > Tor is connected to another print-on-demand service - Holtzbrinck Publishers (http://www.ebookyes.com/) (owed by the same folks who own Tor). I've looked through their website but can't find a contact address (other than the webmaster's) to bug them about Cook. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gwen1" <gwen1@wp.pl> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion Date: 15 Sep 2001 02:47:07 +0200 > > Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon? > > That was not a serious question. It was an example. > Too bad Gwen wasn't around to appreciate it. :) I just got back and I am delecting it. How was it? Greetings from Gwen gwen1@wp.pl -- "Everyone want's your good- don't let them take it!" Stanislaw Jerzy Lec ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.