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- fractint-digest Tuesday, September 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 593
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- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:25:33 EDT
- From: JimMuth@aol.com
- Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5])
-
- Classic FOTD -- September 03, 2001 (Rating 5)
-
- Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
-
- At first glance, today's midget looks as though it is located
- far out on the negative stem, (not to be called a tail), but it
- is not. It is actually located on the east branch of the north
- filament. This is why I named it "Not the Negative Stem".
-
- The effect of fingers pointing in toward the midget is not so
- much a feature found only at the tip of the negative stem as it
- is a feature of all midgets located near the bailout radius,
- where everything gets cut off. In today's fractal, which lies
- in the classic Mandelbrot set, the bailout has been set to 2
- instead of the normal 4 or greater. As a result, the part of
- the set beyond a radius of 1.4142 has been cut off. To find
- today's scene, I simply zoomed into the point where the filament
- gets cut off.
-
- The picture created by this maneuvering is not great, but it's
- not terrible either. A perfectly average rating of 5 seems just
- about right.
-
- The magnitude of the image is on the borderline of the range of
- arbitrary math. The image renders in 10-1/2 minutes using
- arbitrary math and in only a few seconds with normal double-
- precision math. But though the normal math saves time, the
- resulting image has tiny flaws. I recommend patience and
- arbitrary math.
-
- Less patience will be needed if one gives Paul and Scott a
- chance to render and post the GIF image to their web sites,
- which are located at:
-
- <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
-
- and:
-
- <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>
-
- The fractal weather today (Sep 2) was once again near perfect,
- with sunny skies, angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 79F
- 26C. The fractal cats showed their joy by sleeping peacefully
- through the perfect afternoon.
-
- On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
- is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
- his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking,
- we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
- machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
-
- I must place the danger of being taken over by computers
- somewhere on my list of things to worry about, probably about
- two levels below the danger of earth being destroyed by an
- asteroid. Of course, I already spend so much time with
- computers that if I were taken over, I would probably notice no
- difference.
-
- Well, it's Labor Day here in the U.S.A., the mis-named holiday
- on which no one works. Being one who celebrates holidays to the
- fullest, I'll spend the rest of the day doing absolutely
- nothing. But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with another
- FOTD. Until then, take care, and it will be interesting to see
- whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
- enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.
-
-
- Jim Muth
- jamth@mindspring.com
-
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:43:04 -0500
- From: bmc1@airmail.net
- Subject: (fractint) Resolution of Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
- <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
- <html>
- Again, will an <b><u>ATTORNEY</u></b>????
- <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
- documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
- involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
- interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
- <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
- subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
- of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
- of the 50 states.
- <p>Freed
- <p>Tim Wegner wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
- <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
- <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
- > Mozilla Public or Perl
- <br>Artistic licenses.
- <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
- We'd have to contact all sorts
- <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
- <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
- one should be careful in
- <br>these matters.
- <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
- the other licenses. There
- <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
- which is at the end of
- <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
- <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
- gotten from us to put fractint
- <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
- said in another message,
- <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
- <p>Tim
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:09:37 -0500
- From: bmc1@airmail.net
- Subject: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
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- <html>
- "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
- <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u><i>
- </i></b><i>kindly<b> </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the
- Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u>
- assistance here <b>????</b></i>
- <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
- documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
- involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
- interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
- <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
- subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
- of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
- of the 50 states.
- <p>Freed
- <p>Tim Wegner wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
- <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
- <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
- > Mozilla Public or Perl
- <br>Artistic licenses.
- <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
- We'd have to contact all sorts
- <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
- <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
- one should be careful in
- <br>these matters.
- <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
- the other licenses. There
- <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
- which is at the end of
- <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
- <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
- gotten from us to put fractint
- <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
- said in another message,
- <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
- <p>Tim
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:29:41 -0400
- From: Michael Hughes <mhughes@fast.net>
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
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- Folks:
-
- I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be
- missing something in this discussion. I doubt that there would be any
- legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim
- Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have
- fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it. You
- can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that
- interested would know how to find it.
- FWIW.
-
- Mike
- Hughes
-
-
- bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
-
- > "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
- >
- > bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- >
- >> Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindly present him/herself,
- >> privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and
- >> provide a little pro bono assistance here ????
- >>
- >> There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone
- >> Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the
- >> other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and
- >> Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist
- >>
- >> All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and
- >> its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no
- >> charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law
- >> in any of the 50 states.
- >>
- >> Freed
- >>
- >> Tim Wegner wrote:
- >>
- >> > Morgan wrote:
- >> >
- >> > > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
- >> > > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of
- >> > the > Mozilla Public or Perl
- >> > Artistic licenses.
- >> >
- >> > I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to
- >> > do. We'd have to contact all sorts
- >> > of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
- >> >
- >> > While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is
- >> > that one should be careful in
- >> > these matters.
- >> >
- >> > We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one
- >> > of the other licenses. There
- >> > is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS
- >> > version which is at the end of
- >> > life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
- >> >
- >> > At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
- >> > gotten from us to put fractint
- >> > on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
- >> > said in another message,
- >> > these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
- >> >
- >> > Tim
- >> >
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-
- <br> Folks:
- <p> I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
- that you may be missing something in this discussion. I doubt that
- there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
- would need is Jim Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc
- doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
- download it. You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
- anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
- <br> FWIW.
- <p>
- Mike Hughes
- <br>
- <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
- <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindly<b>
- </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim,
- Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
- <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
- documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
- involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
- interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
- <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
- subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
- of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
- of the 50 states.
- <p>Freed
- <p>Tim Wegner wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
- <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
- <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
- > Mozilla Public or Perl
- <br>Artistic licenses.
- <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
- We'd have to contact all sorts
- <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
- <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
- one should be careful in
- <br>these matters.
- <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
- the other licenses. There
- <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
- which is at the end of
- <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
- <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
- gotten from us to put fractint
- <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
- said in another message,
- <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
- <p>Tim
- <p>--------------------------------------------------------------
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:59:35 -0500
- From: bmc1@airmail.net
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
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- <html>
- Mike,
- <p>Granted all involved are reasonable people and the even that the Stone
- Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys yesterday
- is about as mild as it gets, I still think (based on having done legal
- consulting for ~25yrs) that the several concerns expressed by Web/Fractal/FotD/Fractint-meisters
- over the last few days are indeed well-founded, and really do deserve review
- by one of the stealth attorneys out there.
- <p>While none of the issues, IMHO, rises to the level of requiring an Alan
- Dershowitz, they nevertheless deserve consideration, and probably some
- sort of language to protect the meisters by clarifying that none of Stone
- Soup's - or anyone else's - toes have been, or are intended to be - stepped
- on.
- <p>Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys
- the other day creates a Contractual relationship between all users and
- SSG - again, an <b>extremely</b> mild, open, and reasonable one, but present
- nonetheless.
- <p>Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To needlessly complicate
- interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for
- it (there - that should get at least one of them to crawl out).
- <p>DBF
- <p>Michael Hughes wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>
- <br> Folks:
- <p> I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
- that you may be missing something in this discussion. I doubt that
- there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
- would need is Jim Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc
- doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
- download it. You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
- anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
- <br> FWIW.
- <p>
- Mike Hughes
- <br>
- <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
- <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindlypresent
- him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott,
- et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
- <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
- documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
- involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
- interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
- <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
- subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
- of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
- of the 50 states.
- <p>Freed
- <p>Tim Wegner wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
- <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
- <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
- > Mozilla Public or Perl
- <br>Artistic licenses.
- <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
- We'd have to contact all sorts
- <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
- <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
- one should be careful in
- <br>these matters.
- <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
- the other licenses. There
- <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
- which is at the end of
- <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
- <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
- gotten from us to put fractint
- <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
- said in another message,
- <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
- <p>Tim
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- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
- From: kelly christiansen <darkwolf1_us@yahoo.com>
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
- > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
- needlessly complicate
- > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
- > to overcharge for
- > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
- > crawl out).
-
- He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
- that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
- have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
- a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
- case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:34:34 -0500
- From: bmc1@airmail.net
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
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- Way OT, but:
- <p>1) who says God [assuming one exists] is a "he"?
- <br>2) how many Breach fo Contract lawsuits have you been invplved in?
- <br>3) the <b>point</b> (consistently missed despite the sarcasm so obvious
- I thought it would be impossible to miss) is <u>protection of all concerned</u>
- (like Tim) - not to:
- <br> a) insult attorneys - or to
- <br> b) live in a dream world.
- <p>Because, <b>with virtual 100% certainty</b>, somebody else's atty will
- in the future crawl out of the woodwork when least expected and proceed
- to:
- <p> "needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships,
- do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it....."
- <p>DBF
- <p>kelly christiansen wrote:
- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To
- >
- <br>needlessly complicate
- <br>> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
- <br>> to overcharge for
- <br>> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
- <br>> crawl out).
- <p>He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
- <br>that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
- <br>have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
- <br>a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
- <br>case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
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- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:40:42 -0500
- From: bmc1@airmail.net
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
- PS, Yes, it is in fact
-
- "a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the
- owner doesn't wish to go?" - because the alleged "owner" is what is being
- disputed.
-
- DBF
-
- kelly christiansen wrote:
-
- > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
- > needlessly complicate
- > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
- > > to overcharge for
- > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
- > > crawl out).
- >
- > He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
- > that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
- > have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
- > a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
- > case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
- >
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- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:13:28 -1000
- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
- Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
-
- Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs
- Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ...
-
- David
- gnome@hawaii.rr.com
-
- On 2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote:
-
- > Paul --
- > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that
- > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board,
- > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on
- > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very
- > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean
-
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- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:54:36 +1200
- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz>
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
- At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
- > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
- >needlessly complicate
- > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
- > > to overcharge for
- > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
- > > crawl out).
- >
- >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
- >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
- >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
- >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
- >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
- >
-
- Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
- among people.
-
- It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
- authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
- feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
- see?).
-
- A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
- once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
- who wrote them.
-
- Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
- FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
- we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
- contemporary license) to put there?
-
-
-
- Morgan L. Owens
- "Horsell Common"
-
-
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- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:57:55 +1200
- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz>
- Subject: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5])
-
- At 11:25 03/09/2001 -0400, JimMuth@aol.com wrote:
-
- >... and it will be interesting to see
- >whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
- >enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.
-
- "And the iron shall lay down with the lamp."
- Kernel 2.1.19
- Sony Revised Version 2.1
-
- Morgan L. Owens
- "My colleague's laptop has Stephen Hawking's accent."
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- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:24:59 -0400
- From: "JackOTradez" <JackOTradez@email.msn.com>
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
-
- Folks, maybe I am missing something, but where is the problem putting
- Fractint on a CD ? I have a dozen or so fractal CD's I've picked up over the
- years at computer shows. Many of them have Fractint along with other
- programs as well as fractal *.GIF files and videos.
- (I always assumed they were legal, perhaps not then?)
-
- - ----- Original Message -----
- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz>
- To: <fractint@lists.xmission.com>; <fractint@lists.xmission.com>
- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:54 AM
- Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
- Commentaries - YES
-
-
- > At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
- > > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
- > >needlessly complicate
- > > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
- > > > to overcharge for
- > > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
- > > > crawl out).
- > >
- > >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
- > >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
- > >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
- > >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
- > >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
- > >
- >
- > Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
- > among people.
- >
- > It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
- > authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
- > feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
- > see?).
- >
- > A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
- > once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
- > who wrote them.
- >
- > Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
- > FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
- > we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
- > contemporary license) to put there?
- >
- >
- >
- > Morgan L. Owens
- > "Horsell Common"
- >
- >
- >
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- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:53:50 EDT
- From: JimMuth@aol.com
- Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 04-09-01 (Not in the M-set [7])
-
- Classic FOTD -- September 04, 2001 (Rating 7)
-
- Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
-
- Though it appears to be a normal Mandelbrot midget, and the
- formula draws the classic M-set, today's scene does not lie in
- the Mandelbrot set, which is why I named the picture "Not in the
- M-Set". The exact location is indeed on the northeast shore of
- the north bud, and nothing unusual is apparent in the image's
- appearance, but look closely at the parameters. Today's image
- is not a part of the true M-set. It is part of a non-critical
- perturbed Mandelbrot slice of the 4-D Julibrot.
-
- To create today's image I first found a Mandelbrot midget. Then
- I noted the center coordinates of the midget and entered this
- value as the C-value of a Julia set. The Julia set appears as a
- symmetrical filament with round holes scattered along it. The
- hole at the center of the J-set represents, in fact is actually
- a slice in a different direction through the Mandelbrot midget
- of the true M-set. The Z-coordinates of the other holes in the
- Julia set represent the Z-values of the various perturbed M-sets
- in which the same midget appears. The larger the hole in the
- Julia set, the more perfect the corresponding Mandelbrot midget.
-
- To set the Z-value of today's image, I found and noted the
- Z-coordinates of the largest hole other than the one at the
- center of the Julia set, then applied this value to the true
- image I had already generated, and recalculated it. Though the
- resulting image is perturbed, I noticed no difference from the
- original critical image. I finally accepted the perturbed
- version as a curiosity.
-
- I doubt that I have previously posted today's MandelbrotVE
- (Variable Escape) formula, which adds the ability to change the
- escape radius to the ability to set any point in the 4-D
- Julibrot to the center of the screen. The escape radius of
- today's image has been set to a point very near where the scene
- is totally obliterated. Normally, when all Z exponents of a
- formula are positive, changing the escape radius has very little
- effect on the appearance of a fractal image, but in the range
- right before the entire scene goes blank, the escape radius
- becomes the most important parameter.
-
- The unusual coloring effect was further enhanced by setting the
- outside to <fmod> instead of the normal <iter>. Yes, I realize
- that this is heresy, but sometimes I enjoy being a heretic.
- Despite the heresy, I rated the image at an above-average 7.
-
- A good feature of the image is its speed. The entire scene
- renders in under two minutes -- as fast as it can be picked up
- from Paul's web site at:
-
- <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
-
- or Scott's site at:
-
- <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>
-
- The fractal weather today (Sep 3) was near ideal, with only a
- few too many clouds spoiling the absolute perfection of a
- temperature of 79F 26C. The cats, who spent most of the day
- sleeping on the porch, were unconcerned with the weather.
-
- But I am concerned -- about the work that needs to be done. As
- always, the best way to change waiting work into finished work
- is to get started. So that's what I'm going to do. Until next
- FOTD, take care, and it looks as though there will be a FOTD-CD,
- but quite a bit of work needs to be done before it will be
- ready.
-
-
- Jim Muth
- jamth@mindspring.com
-
-
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-
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