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fractint-digest       Tuesday, September 4 2001       Volume 01 : Number 593




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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:25:33 EDT
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Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])

Classic FOTD -- September 03, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

At first glance, today's midget looks as though it is located
far out on the negative stem, (not to be called a tail), but it
is not.  It is actually located on the east branch of the north
filament.  This is why I named it "Not the Negative Stem".

The effect of fingers pointing in toward the midget is not so
much a feature found only at the tip of the negative stem as it
is a feature of all midgets located near the bailout radius,
where everything gets cut off.  In today's fractal, which lies
in the classic Mandelbrot set, the bailout has been set to 2
instead of the normal 4 or greater.  As a result, the part of
the set beyond a radius of 1.4142 has been cut off.  To find
today's scene, I simply zoomed into the point where the filament
gets cut off.

The picture created by this maneuvering is not great, but it's
not terrible either.  A perfectly average rating of 5 seems just
about right.

The magnitude of the image is on the borderline of the range of
arbitrary math.  The image renders in 10-1/2 minutes using
arbitrary math and in only a few seconds with normal double-
precision math.  But though the normal math saves time, the
resulting image has tiny flaws.  I recommend patience and
arbitrary math.

Less patience will be needed if one gives Paul and Scott a
chance to render and post the GIF image to their web sites,
which are located at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today (Sep 2) was once again near perfect,
with sunny skies, angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 79F
26C.  The fractal cats showed their joy by sleeping peacefully
through the perfect afternoon.

On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.

I must place the danger of being taken over by computers
somewhere on my list of things to worry about, probably about
two levels below the danger of earth being destroyed by an
asteroid.  Of course, I already spend so much time with
computers that if I were taken over, I would probably notice no
difference.

Well, it's Labor Day here in the U.S.A., the mis-named holiday
on which no one works.  Being one who celebrates holidays to the
fullest, I'll spend the rest of the day doing absolutely
nothing.  But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with another
FOTD.  Until then, take care, and it will be interesting to see
whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.


Jim Muth
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:43:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Resolution of Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

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Again, will an <b><u>ATTORNEY</u></b>????
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:09:37 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

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"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u><i>
</i></b><i>kindly<b> </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the
Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u>
assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:29:41 -0400
From: Michael Hughes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &  Commentaries - YES

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     Folks:

     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be
missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that there would be any
legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim
Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have
fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it.  You
can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that
interested would know how to find it.
     FWIW.

                                                                 Mike
Hughes


[e-mail] wrote:

> "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindly present him/herself,
>> privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and
>> provide a little pro bono assistance here ????
>>
>> There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone
>> Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the
>> other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and
>> Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist
>>
>> All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and
>> its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no
>> charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law
>> in any of the 50 states.
>>
>> Freed
>>
>> Tim Wegner wrote:
>>
>> > Morgan wrote:
>> >
>> > > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
>> > > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of
>> > the > Mozilla Public or Perl
>> > Artistic licenses.
>> >
>> > I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to
>> > do. We'd have to contact all sorts
>> > of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
>> >
>> > While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is
>> > that one should be careful in
>> > these matters.
>> >
>> > We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one
>> > of the other licenses. There
>> > is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS
>> > version which is at the end of
>> > life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
>> >
>> > At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
>> > gotten from us to put fractint
>> > on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
>> > said in another message,
>> > these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
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<br>     Folks:
<p>     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that
there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc
doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
<br>     FWIW.
<p>
Mike Hughes
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindly<b>
</b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim,
Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:59:35 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &  Commentaries - YES

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Mike,
<p>Granted all involved are reasonable people and the even that the Stone
Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys yesterday
is about as mild as it gets, I still think (based on having done legal
consulting for ~25yrs) that the several concerns expressed by Web/Fractal/FotD/Fractint-meisters
over the last few days are indeed well-founded, and really do deserve review
by one of the stealth attorneys out there.
<p>While none of the issues, IMHO, rises to the level of requiring an Alan
Dershowitz, they nevertheless deserve consideration, and probably some
sort of language to protect the meisters by clarifying that none of Stone
Soup's - or anyone else's - toes have been, or are intended to be - stepped
on.
<p>Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys
the other day creates a Contractual relationship between all users and
SSG - again, an <b>extremely</b> mild, open, and reasonable one, but present
nonetheless.
<p>Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To needlessly complicate
interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for
it (there - that should get at least one of them to crawl out).
<p>DBF
<p>Michael Hughes wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<br>     Folks:
<p>     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that
there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc
doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
<br>     FWIW.
<p>
Mike Hughes
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindlypresent
him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott,
et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: kelly christiansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &  Commentaries - YES

> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
needlessly complicate
> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> to overcharge for
> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> crawl out).

He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?



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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:34:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &   Commentaries - YES

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Way OT, but:
<p>1) who says God [assuming one exists] is a "he"?
<br>2) how many Breach fo Contract lawsuits have you been invplved in?
<br>3) the <b>point</b> (consistently missed despite the sarcasm so obvious
I thought it would be impossible to miss) is <u>protection of all concerned</u>
(like Tim) - not to:
<br>    a) insult attorneys - or to
<br>    b) live in a dream world.
<p>Because, <b>with virtual 100% certainty</b>, somebody else's atty will
in the future crawl out of the woodwork when least expected and proceed
to:
<p>    "needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships,
do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it....."
<p>DBF
<p>kelly christiansen wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To
>
<br>needlessly complicate
<br>> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
<br>> to overcharge for
<br>> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
<br>> crawl out).
<p>He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:40:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &   Commentaries - YES

PS, Yes, it is in fact

"a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the
owner doesn't wish to go?" - because the alleged "owner" is what is being
disputed.

DBF

kelly christiansen wrote:

> > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
> needlessly complicate
> > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > to overcharge for
> > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > crawl out).
>
> He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
> that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
> have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
> a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
> case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:13:28 -1000
From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])

Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs
Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ...

David
[e-mail]

On  2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote:

> Paul --
> Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that
> doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board,
> but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on
> any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very
> good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean


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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:54:36 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &  Commentaries - YES

At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
> > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
>needlessly complicate
> > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > to overcharge for
> > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > crawl out).
>
>He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
>that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
>have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
>a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
>case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
>

Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
among people.

It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
see?).

A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
who wrote them.

Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
contemporary license) to put there?



Morgan L. Owens
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:57:55 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])

At 11:25 03/09/2001 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:

>... and it will be interesting to see
>whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
>enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.

"And the iron shall lay down with the lamp."
                                Kernel 2.1.19
                     Sony Revised Version 2.1

Morgan L. Owens
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:24:59 -0400
From: "JackOTradez" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &   Commentaries - YES

Folks, maybe I am missing something, but where is the problem putting
Fractint on a CD ? I have a dozen or so fractal CD's I've picked up over the
years at computer shows. Many of them have Fractint along with other
programs as well as fractal *.GIF files and videos.
(I always assumed they were legal, perhaps not then?)

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
Commentaries - YES


> At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
> > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
> >needlessly complicate
> > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > > to overcharge for
> > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > > crawl out).
> >
> >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
> >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
> >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
> >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
> >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
> >
>
> Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
> among people.
>
> It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
> authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
> feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
> see?).
>
> A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
> once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
> who wrote them.
>
> Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
> FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
> we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
> contemporary license) to put there?
>
>
>
> Morgan L. Owens
> "Horsell Common"
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:53:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  04-09-01  (Not in the M-set [7])

Classic FOTD -- September 04, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Though it appears to be a normal Mandelbrot midget, and the
formula draws the classic M-set, today's scene does not lie in
the Mandelbrot set, which is why I named the picture "Not in the
M-Set".  The exact location is indeed on the northeast shore of
the north bud, and nothing unusual is apparent in the image's
appearance, but look closely at the parameters.  Today's image
is not a part of the true M-set.  It is part of a non-critical
perturbed Mandelbrot slice of the 4-D Julibrot.

To create today's image I first found a Mandelbrot midget.  Then
I noted the center coordinates of the midget and entered this
value as the C-value of a Julia set.  The Julia set appears as a
symmetrical filament with round holes scattered along it.  The
hole at the center of the J-set represents, in fact is actually
a slice in a different direction through the Mandelbrot midget
of the true M-set.  The Z-coordinates of the other holes in the
Julia set represent the Z-values of the various perturbed M-sets
in which the same midget appears.  The larger the hole in the
Julia set, the more perfect the corresponding Mandelbrot midget.

To set the Z-value of today's image, I found and noted the
Z-coordinates of the largest hole other than the one at the
center of the Julia set, then applied this value to the true
image I had already generated, and recalculated it.  Though the
resulting image is perturbed, I noticed no difference from the
original critical image.  I finally accepted the perturbed
version as a curiosity.

I doubt that I have previously posted today's MandelbrotVE
(Variable Escape) formula, which adds the ability to change the
escape radius to the ability to set any point in the 4-D
Julibrot to the center of the screen.  The escape radius of
today's image has been set to a point very near where the scene
is totally obliterated.  Normally, when all Z exponents of a
formula are positive, changing the escape radius has very little
effect on the appearance of a fractal image, but in the range
right before the entire scene goes blank, the escape radius
becomes the most important parameter.

The unusual coloring effect was further enhanced by setting the
outside to <fmod> instead of the normal <iter>.  Yes, I realize
that this is heresy, but sometimes I enjoy being a heretic.
Despite the heresy, I rated the image at an above-average 7.

A good feature of the image is its speed.  The entire scene
renders in under two minutes -- as fast as it can be picked up
from Paul's web site at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or Scott's site at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today (Sep 3) was near ideal, with only a
few too many clouds spoiling the absolute perfection of a
temperature of 79F 26C.  The cats, who spent most of the day
sleeping on the porch, were unconcerned with the weather.

But I am concerned -- about the work that needs to be done.  As
always, the best way to change waiting work into finished work
is to get started.  So that's what I'm going to do.  Until next
FOTD, take care, and it looks as though there will be a FOTD-CD,
but quite a bit of work needs to be done before it will be
ready.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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z=p1, c=pixel+p2,
b=sqr(real(p3)):
z=sqr(z)+c,
|z| <= b
}

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