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fractint-digest       Monday, September 3 2001       Volume 01 : Number 592




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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 22:27:54 -0400
From: Mike Traynor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])

Jim,

> The parameter file is attached for reference purposes.  It can
> be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so.

Nah.  After doing the last one at 1600x1200, why would I be shy
of generating this one?  Images like this remind me of the good
old days.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 10:10:56 +0200
From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])

At 09:18 01/09/01 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Room-102           { ; time=1:45:19.72--SF5 on a P200
>  reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1
>  center-mag=-1.999999999999999999996865044960966725\
>  05484407146437815168087706028311682344271/1.576807\
>  2533230194145854302469001380714e-41/7.380952e+073
>  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0
>  colors=000TKpWGpZJkaMfcPbfSYiVTkYPi`RgcSefTdiUblW`\
>  oXZrYYuZWn`UgaT`bRUcPNeOGfM9gL2hPAjSIlVQnYYpbXegWV\
>  lVKpUAqTFrSJsRNsQRtPVuOZuObqS`mV_jYYf`XbcV_fUWiSTl\
>  RkiFjaCiV9hN6gG3g90dN2a_4_l5`_M`Na`Bq8zC9tBAoAAiAB\
>  d9B_9EXAHUAKRAMOAPLASIAUGAPKBKOBFSCAWC5_C2W80T42_A\
>  4fF6mL7sQerXNbV4NUFCgQ2teEacGbbIbaKb`Mb`urcpsekthg\
>  ujbvlYwoUxsOwqPyZHfeJmlKtebog_qiYrkWtlUunRvpPxrNyT\
>  47fDZ7O34InUKt3qxCkyLfyU`ybWzkQzjpEo`budeWbSFLxOq8\
>  TlGYgOabWfZcjUkoPsN8_SAcXCgaEkeGojIsoKwb3pe6rg9sjB\
>  ulEvoGxqJyR1GZ6SeBclGoHXIOVQUTX`RdfPkmNsMjKRfQVcVZ\
>  ``bYegUjkRpoOuk`mnVrqQv2E6TIZaNqfMtjMvoLxfgXk_foSp\
>  IGu`Jx6WzJTzVQzgNzGt5QkK_bYiUlPPAwy9vpKuhVt`esTpZ_\
>  1iSW8ScIQhSPm`NqjMvEJ0SKLeLeBV0KTDTRQaPajNnhAFkDPm\
>  FZoHgqJq_5zc9zgCzkFzoIztsyslzsezsZzsSzYB1bDEfFQkHb\
>  oJnYs3blFfeRkZboSniWonQuVN_ZMcbMgeMk9cg8Vh8Mi8Dj5R\
>  m3cp1pr5kq9fqDbqHYqLTpPPp
>  }
>
Super!

But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order
to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?


cheers,


Guy

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 10:23:24 +0200
From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])

At 22:18 01/09/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Brian,
>
>
>> Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
>> "cannot find file "home_town".
>> Please help.
>
>It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the
>same probem.  Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town  { ; generated by
>ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\
>directory.
>
>Mike
>
>

that's right! Sorry, I forgot to explain the way to make a   .ifs running.

Thanks, Mike!


Cheers,

Guy



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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 03:46:12 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's???

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ...the long version of the discussions,
> which were posted only to the philofractal
> list.

These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create.
I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the
FractInt List.

>
> With Tim's permission, I could also include
> the latest version of the Fractint program.

I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of
selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.  I do know that other CDs I
have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
to be contacted for their permission.

>
> ....and edit the superfluous material from
> the discussion files.

Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very
interesting, and down to earth (so to speak).

>
> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600....

About 1,550 and growing.   :-)


>
> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were
> lost....    .....can probably be supplied
> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions
> on file.

Yep, no problems there.  Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the
FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List.

>
> If I see any real interest in such a project,
> I'll certainly have a go at it.

That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established.
Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go.  It should not
take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM.

Sincerely,
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:53:09 +0100
From: "b.rankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])

Thanks Mike.
Brian.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Traynor" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])


> Brian,
>
>
> > Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
> > "cannot find file "home_town".
> > Please help.
>
> It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the
> same probem.  Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town  { ; generated by
> ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\
> directory.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Guy Marson" <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
> >
> > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America?
> > >
> > > No...  I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's
not
> > > a part of Germany..    ;-)))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > home_gm               {
> > >                      ;  Version 2001 Patchlevel 13
> > >   reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town
> > >   center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000
> > >
> >
colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\
> > >
> >
zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\
> > >
> >
>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\
> > >
> >
>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\
> > >
> >
>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\
> > >
> >
QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\
> > >
> >
AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\
> > >   BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG
> > >   }
> > >
> > > home_town  { ; generated by ifsspell
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  0.30000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  0.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  1.10000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  1.70000  0.00000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  1.30000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  2.50000  0.00000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.10000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  3.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.90000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.90000  0.40000  0.01229
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  3.90000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  5.30000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  5.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  6.30000  1.00000  0.02457
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  6.50000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  6.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >
> > >  0.03687 -0.22368  0.07364  0.00000  6.90000  0.00000  0.03440
> > >  0.03687  0.22368 -0.07364  0.00000  6.70000  1.00000  0.03440
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.80000  0.40000  0.01229
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  7.80000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  8.60000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >  0.02785  0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000  8.40000  1.00000  0.03133
> > >  0.02785 -0.21540  0.06964 -0.00000  9.00000  0.00000  0.03133
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.40000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.80000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  1.00000  0.00983
> > > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.75000  0.00983
> > >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  0.50000  0.00983
> > > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.25000  0.00983
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  10.40000 0.80000  0.01843
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  10.60000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.04412  0.00000  10.80000 0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  11.60000 1.00000  0.02457
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.80000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  11.40000 0.20000  0.02457
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.06250  0.00000  12.20000 0.00000  0.02611
> > >  0.03309  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.00000 0.85000  0.01037
> > >  0.00000  0.15000 -0.02574  0.00000  12.45000 1.00000  0.00806
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.20000 0.50000  0.00921
> > >  0.01636  0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000  12.20000 0.50000  0.01680
> > >
> > >  0.05147  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.80000  0.02150
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  13.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.03676  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.00000  0.01536
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.02206  0.00000  13.50000 0.00000  0.00921
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  13.10000 0.30000  0.01229
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Guy
> > >
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 03:03:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's???

I would be most interested in a CD of Fractal of the
Day. And would be very happy to pay a reasonable price
for it.

   Tom


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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 06:03:07 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])

Guy Marson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28";
>                E006Deg. 9'2,32"
>

I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away.    :-)

P.N.L.
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 06:15:22 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])

Jim Muth wrote:
>
> The parameter file is attached for
> reference purposes.  It can be run,
> but only the foolhardy would attempt
> to do so.

I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three of
us:

C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
- ------------------------------
    Jim's P200 at SF5        01:45:19.72
    Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
    My old P700 at SF5       00:32:20.19


C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
- ----------------------------------------
    Jim's P200 at SF5        04:28:50.04
    Scott's machine at SF5      ?  ?
    My old P700 at SF5       01:20:57.28


Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:08:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Philofractal version of FOTD

The Philofractal version of the FOTD for Sep 02 will
be posted in a few hours.  It will have extra material.
I posted the Fractint version earlier to give Paul and
Scott a chance to render the unusually slow image.

Jim M.

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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 07:15:40 -0500
From: "Jonathan Osuch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])

Guy,

> But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in
order
> to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?

That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used.  Tim didn't
implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines.  This is
probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an
arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily
large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by
Fractint.  But, this is only a guess.  Tim would have a better answer.

Jonathan



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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:06:45 +0100
From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!

Dear All,

On the subject of Jim's pars, I'm glad to say that I have recently updated
the par/frm collections on my website

http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/pars.htm

All FOTD's since 12th April '97 until 31st Aug.'01 are there.

A word of warning, some of Jim's pars use the Developer's version of
Fractint, so they won't render properly with the current v.20
There's a link to the Developer's version on the same page as the pars.


regards, Les St Clair



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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 09:46:54 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

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<html>
Well, a CD certainly appears do-able, and for a variety of reasons, less
complicated than a book at present (although I'll bet you a nickel that
upon seing it in CD format, a major publisher will go to Jim and propose
putting it in book form - - then maybe all you guys can recover some of
your "sweat equity".)
<p>A further benefit of producing Jim's FotD's in CD format now, is that
it can be done in such a manner that those who contribute most (JaM, PNL,
Scott, Tim) can show all of the rest of us how it is possible - by mutual
agreement and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ "licensure" issues
which have been previously been "discussed" on this site <i>ad nauseam</i>
by the peanut gallery.
<p>The (temporary) loss of the 35 or so files mentioned by PNL is the kind
of potential archiving disaster (what if there had been no PNL?) I was
talking about yesterday unless the FotD's are committed to some sort of
widely-distributable "permanent" medium before we all turn 64.
<p>Congrats to you guys (Jim, Paul, Scott, Tim, others) for being wiling
to at least discuss doing all the rest of us such a courtesy, and as always,
in your usual professional manner. I find the prospect of having an indexed
CD of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their accompanying PARS and "Commentary
by Muth" really exciting.
<p>And perhaps the Fractal Cats - if not given their due as Co-authors
- - could even be induced (a few extra treats here, a can of tuna there)
to contribute their own Introduction with some personal remembrances of
the "lean years" when Jim was just a pup himself . . . .
<br>
<p>D. Freed
<br>
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ...the long version of the discussions,
<br>> which were posted only to the philofractal
<br>> list.
<p>These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create.
<br>I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the
<br>FractInt List.
<p>>
<br>> With Tim's permission, I could also include
<br>> the latest version of the Fractint program.
<p>I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications
of
<br>selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.  I do know that other
CDs I
<br>have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
<br>still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
<br>to be contacted for their permission.
<p>>
<br>> ....and edit the superfluous material from
<br>> the discussion files.
<p>Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very
<br>interesting, and down to earth (so to speak).
<p>>
<br>> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600....
<p>About 1,550 and growing.   :-)
<p>>
<br>> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were
<br>> lost....    .....can probably be supplied
<br>> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions
<br>> on file.
<p>Yep, no problems there.  Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to
the
<br>FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List.
<p>>
<br>> If I see any real interest in such a project,
<br>> I'll certainly have a go at it.
<p>That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established.
<br>Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go.  It should
not
<br>take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM.
<p>Sincerely,
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 15:01:28 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
> "licensure" issues which have been previously
> been "discussed" on this site....

Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that the sales
price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
vary considering destination).

Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by
the Stone Soup Group's philosophy.  Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and
comment on this??

>
> (what if there had been no PNL?)

Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat.

>
> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD
> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their
> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth"
> really exciting.

Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the
Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG
file format.  Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the
normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD
include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both
versions??

Sincerely,
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 15:53:59 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

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All valid concerns.
<p>I'm just pleased they're beng discussed.
<p>Perhaps (no doubt, in fact), there are Attorneys among the downloaders
who - having remained stealthily silent so far - might admit their existence
(if only in private to JAM, PNL, et. al.) - provide some informed advise/counsel
on the Intellectual Property and other legal issues involved. [After, of
course, the principals involved sign the requisite "NonDisclosure Of The
Attorney's Identity" Agreements . . . . .]
<p>Freed
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
<br>> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
<br>> "licensure" issues which have been previously
<br>> been "discussed" on this site....
<p>Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
<br>assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
<br>form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that
the sales
<br>price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
<br>vary considering destination).
<p>Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable
by
<br>the Stone Soup Group's philosophy.  Maybe Tim Wegner will step
in and
<br>comment on this??
<p>>
<br>> (what if there had been no PNL?)
<p>Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat.
<p>>
<br>> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD
<br>> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their
<br>> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth"
<br>> really exciting.
<p>Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on
the
<br>Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG
<br>file format.  Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter
the
<br>normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD
<br>include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both
<br>versions??
<p>Sincerely,
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 23:35:06 +0200
From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])

Hi Jonathan,

At 07:15 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Guy,
>
>> But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in
>order
>> to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?
>
>That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used.  Tim didn't
>implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines.

ok, this answer is enough, so it's no 'bug' in the Ver.20.1.13

>This is
>probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an
>arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily
>large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by
>Fractint.  But, this is only a guess.  Tim would have a better answer.
>
>Jonathan

And many thanks for implementing f4 and f5 into the evolver!

Cheers,

Guy

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 23:35:11 +0200
From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])

At 06:03 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Guy Marson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28";
>>                E006Deg. 9'2,32"
>>
>
>I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away.    :-)

Right, but there was an old agreement, that all 'off-topic' mail should be
accompanied by a .par   ;-)

cheers,

Guy

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 23:02:56 -0400
From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])

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Paul --
Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA
board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS
version of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate
very good resolution.
Sincerely,
Kenneth MacLean

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

> Jim Muth wrote:
> >
> > The parameter file is attached for
> > reference purposes.  It can be run,
> > but only the foolhardy would attempt
> > to do so.
>
> I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
> individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three of
> us:
>
> C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
> ------------------------------
>     Jim's P200 at SF5        01:45:19.72
>     Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
>     My old P700 at SF5       00:32:20.19
>
> C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
> ----------------------------------------
>     Jim's P200 at SF5        04:28:50.04
>     Scott's machine at SF5      ?  ?
>     My old P700 at SF5       01:20:57.28
>
> Sincerely,
> P.N.L.
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Paul --
<br>Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA
board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS version
of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very good
resolution.
<br>Sincerely,
<br>Kenneth MacLean
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Jim Muth wrote:
<br>>
<br>> The parameter file is attached for
<br>> reference purposes.  It can be run,
<br>> but only the foolhardy would attempt
<br>> to do so.
<p>I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
<br>individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three
of
<br>us:
<p>C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
<br>------------------------------
<br>    Jim's P200 at SF5
01:45:19.72
<br>    Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
<br>    My old P700 at SF5
00:32:20.19
<p>C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
<br>----------------------------------------
<br>    Jim's P200 at SF5
04:28:50.04
<br>    Scott's machine at SF5
?  ?
<br>    My old P700 at SF5
01:20:57.28
<p>Sincerely,
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:09:29 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

At 15:01 02/09/2001 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
> > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
> > "licensure" issues which have been previously
> > been "discussed" on this site....
>
>Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
>assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
>form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that the sales
>price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
>vary considering destination).

Well, there is one - it's in the Fractint documentation and goes
"
   Fractint is freeware. The copyright is retained by the Stone Soup Group.

   Fractint may be freely copied and distributed in unmodified form but may
   not be sold. (A nominal distribution fee may be charged for media and
   handling by freeware and shareware distributors.) Fractint may be used
   personally or in a business - if you can do your job better by using
   Fractint, or using images from it, that's great! It may not be given
   away with commercial products without explicit permission from the Stone
   Soup Group.

   There is no warranty of Fractint's suitability for any purpose, nor any
   acceptance of liability, express or implied.

    **********************************************************************
    * Contribution policy: Don't want money. Got money. Want admiration. *
    **********************************************************************

   Source code for Fractint is also freely available - see Distribution of
   Fractint (p. 183).  See the FRACTSRC.DOC file included with the source
   for conditions on use.  (In most cases we just want credit.)
"

I do recall talk some time past about writing something more comprehensive
and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

Morgan L. Owens
"Well, it wasn't likely to be 'sometime future', was it? Though it probably
will be."


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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:11:44 -0600
From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

> > With Tim's permission, I could also include
> > the latest version of the Fractint program.
> I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of
> selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.I do know that other CDs I
> have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
> still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
> to be contacted for their permission.

It's enough to contact me or Jonathan for this sort of permission.

A FOTD CD would be nice thing to make available.

We have generally allowed Fractint to be included with CDs by artists who have been
contributors to the fractint community. There was a time when we had our own publishing
projects, and then we had be more careful. These days there is less reason than ever for us to
withold this sort of permission, but it is important to ask us first. The main thing is to not
misrepresnt the CD as selling the software - it should be clear that fractint itself is free and
included on the CD as a convenience.


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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:11:45 -0600
From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim


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