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fractint-digest        Friday, October 16 1998        Volume 01 : Number 318




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:47:01 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

At 09:14 AM 10/15/98 -0000, you wrote:
>JPEG compression is nothing, nothing like file compression used by
archivers and such.

Agreed, it is a compression that is tailored to a specific kind of data,
image data. As such it takes advantage of the image data being two
dimensional.

>JPEG compression also means losing details, while with the compression we
were talking
>about, no data is lost (fortunately!).

JPEG compression on the highest quality setting doesn't lose information.
JPEG, contrary to popular belief, gives program implementers the option,
and most programs give users the option. (Paint Shop Pro and Ultra Fractal
for starters.)

>>Animations have the same sort of redundancy as regular image data but in
>>three dimensions, adding to compressibility. MPG can get 100-fold
>>compression over the raw frame data.

>Again, that's loosely (sp?) compression.

I'm not as knowledgeable about MPG as JPG, but the name suggests the
formats are cloesly related -- I expect MPG is three-dimensional JPG for
all intents and purposes. I'm pretty sure one can again choose between a
lossless compression and varying degrees of lossier but more compact
compression.

>>The who standard?
>
>The unofficial standard for windows and dos.

Oh.

>Not even speaking of availability. Not many (wintel) people use it, and
even in the unix
>world it's not the most used format.

It may be less optimal (accounting for tradeoffs) or it may be obscure and
hard to find/discover that it exists.

>Hmm... makes me remember to set the -9 with gzip -- usually forget this.

Another speed/space tradeoff?
JPG and MPG introduce another tradeoff, the quality/space tradeoff, as a
lossless compression isn't as compressed as a lossy compression setting.


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- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:51:38 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) High iteration zooms

>Recent versions of Lynx display the <frame> tags as links.

Do they? Still, hope you can tell the meat from the toolbars and logos.

>It's an SGML declaration that says it's an HTML 3.2 document.

SGML?

>> ><meta name = "description" content = "A gallery with fractal images.">
>> ><meta name = "keywords" content = "fractal, images, fractint, gallery,
>> >mandelbrot">
>>
>> What the...?
>
>Search engine food.

Won't the search engines find this in the body of the html anyways? Or is
this used to make it find "mandelbrot" on your home page which actually
only links to a "fractal gallery"?

>Agreed.  (Although it's better than the equivalents I've seen in other
>places: "Get a real browser, bozo.")

How rude!
If managing synchronization and doubling the space is not appealing, maybe
use a single link to the main "meat" document there.

>Opera has the very nice option to turn frames OFF.

Opera blows hard rabbit chunks :-)
It drive me quite rapidly back into the arms of the Netcrap/Internet
Exploder duo. Those may be crash prone megalith-ware, but at least they are
user friendly.
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   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:54:34 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization   Solutions

At 07:32 AM 10/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>.jpg compression is lossy, and that's a whole different ballgame.  The
>image you get out is visually similar to the image you put in, but it's
>not the same.

*sigh* here we go again...
jpg is configurable. There is a quality setting ranging from very lossy and
compact to larger and lossless.
(The latter is the default when saving a jpeg from ultra fractal.)

>If you have sufficient tolerance for lossiness, you can get any
>compression ratio you want, even 1,000,000 to 1.  :)

So, you did know it was configurable, just not that it can be sent to the
extreme of losslessness. (And then the algorithm still takes advantage of
the two-dimensional nature of the data, so it compresses better than saving
a raw bitmap and zipping it.)

>> Animations have the same sort of redundancy as regular image data but in
>> three dimensions, adding to compressibility. MPG can get 100-fold
>> compression over the raw frame data.
>
>MPEG is lossy too.

MPEG is configurable too.

>ZIP is probably preferred to bzip2 because (a) bzip2 just compresses
>--- it doesn't make archives --- (b) ZIP is widely used already.

Ahh, that makes sense.


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:57:17 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re:webpage

At 12:56 PM 10/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
>For all it's faults, I've found IE to at least name the files in the
>cache something relevent to their original names, so linking them is
>fairly easy. However, Netscape called them by daft names and I had
>difficulty finding which was which (is this normal, or is there
>something I haven't set correctly to avoid this?)

IE's cache is inefficient though. I've often found it's gone and saved the
exact same large gif in each of four subdirectories in the cache dir! Also,
I keep setting it to 1% of my drive (22 megabytes) and I keep noticing disk
space loss a couple days later and discovering that the disk space fairy
has come and bumped it up to 3% on me -- 66 megs, using up 40 megs.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:06:51 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

At 03:54 PM 10/15/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Let't just call the language 'German'. 'Foreign' language is a wrong term
on the net, not
>even considering that the German language is used (or at least known) by a
lot of people.

1. I don't know German, consequently, I didn't know what language it was,
only what language it wasn't.
2. It is foreign from my perspective, see 1.
3. Most users of the Fractint-list are English speaking. Thus it is foreign
from most of our perspectives... although probably not all.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:08:26 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Tim's request

At 06:39 PM 10/15/98 +0200, you wrote:
>     Are there points in a Cantor dust other than points that were at some
>   (I
>understand there are aleph-one points left in the final dust.)   Kragen
>So if there are aleph-one points in the dust some of them cannot be
>endpoints.  I may be talking rubbish but I'm sure there are listmembers who
>can give the right answer   Joe

That's perfect if and only if someone can actually prove thereare aleph-one
points in the ^@$! dist to begin with :-)
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   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> "Netscape cannot open the site www.useit.com. The site doesn't have a DNS
> entry"... it's not that it exists but is down... if it has no DNS entry
> then the name is misspelled or else it doesn't exist period.

It exists and is up.  Yer DNS is just screwed up.

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:10:38 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim's request

At 12:16 PM 10/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>You can then map all points in the Cantor set to those on the line segment by
>replacing each 2 with a binary 1.

OK, now someone has succeeded in showing there are aleph-one points in the
dust :-)


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization   Solutions

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> At 09:14 AM 10/15/98 -0000, you wrote:
> >JPEG compression also means losing details, while with the compression we
> were talking
> >about, no data is lost (fortunately!).
>
> JPEG compression on the highest quality setting doesn't lose information.
> JPEG, contrary to popular belief, gives program implementers the option,
> and most programs give users the option. (Paint Shop Pro and Ultra Fractal
> for starters.)

There's a lossless-jpeg option, but it is not widely implemented, and
is not the same as setting the quality setting to 100%.  Even with the
quality at the highest setting, there is loss from roundoff error.

> >Not even speaking of availability. Not many (wintel) people use it, and
> even in the unix
> >world it's not the most used format.
>
> It may be less optimal (accounting for tradeoffs) or it may be obscure and
> hard to find/discover that it exists.

bzip2?  Not in the Linux world.

> >Hmm... makes me remember to set the -9 with gzip -- usually forget this.
>
> Another speed/space tradeoff?

Yes.

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:16:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization    Solutions

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> >If you have sufficient tolerance for lossiness, you can get any
> >compression ratio you want, even 1,000,000 to 1.  :)
>
> So, you did know it was configurable,

I wasn't referring to JPEG here.  I don't think you can get 1,000,000
to 1 with JPEG --- although I could be wrong!

Fractals don't look too bad with JPEG, especially if they have smooth
color schemes, unless you turn the quality way down.

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:16:39 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) High iteration zooms

>  Frames are good if they're used correctly. The problem is, no one seems to
>be able to use them correctly. (The concept of TARGET="_top" is not THAT
>hard...)

My web page uses the target so nobody gets stuck in my frames. Also, for
people who are diehard frame haters, there are unframed versions of all my
pages available. Significantly, my usage statistics consistently show more
hits on the frameless versions in any given time period.

As for what I use frames for, I merely provide a handy site navigation bar
that enables jumping to any part of my web site just about. I don't clutter
the screen with lots of little frames with useless logos or banners.
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- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:17:35 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

At 06:09 PM 10/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>  I've just added a par file to my FOTW page:
>
>    <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm>
>
>  Enjoy,
>
>        - Sylvie

Hey! Sylvie Gallet herself, copying one of my ideas? hehehe.... that's
sincere flattery indeed :-)
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- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:36:39 -0400
From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 2 Pars

Here's a couple pars from a Bill Decker formula posted some time back.
Both are the same except for coloring.  The first is with Bill's
original colormap; the second uses the damien3.map from the "allmaps"
collection.  I found these during commercials tonight while watching the
Lions beat the Packers 27-20  :-(

Calculation time is roughly 4 to 5 minutes for each...

Regards, Paul



Blue_Highway       { ; With Bill Decker's colormap
                     ; "bills_diff_delt1" formula
                     ; 10/15/98 Paul DeCelle
reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=atan passes=1
center-mag=-0.280727/-0.910809/2.498768/1.0617/76.965/15.327
params=0.06/0/-3.85278/0/0.00178/0.002 float=y potential=255/100/0
viewwindows=1/0.75/yes/0/0
colors=000C30<3>000<17>000100311<9>J77L88N99PAAQBA<22>zk8<22>RC9PAAOAA<1\
3>211000000<13>000000222<22>zzz<23>000<16>000<4>G40K50L50<11>cD3dD4fE4hF\
5iH6<11>vdLwfMxhNzkPyiOxgN<10>lM9kK8jI7hF5gF5eE5<10>Q81O71M61K50I50F40
}

Organ_Transplant   { ; Very organic looking
                     ; Paul DeCelle from Bill Decker's
                     ; "bills_diff_delt1" formula
                     ; 10/15/98
reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=atan passes=1
center-mag=-0.280727/-0.910809/2.498768/1.0617/76.965/15.327
params=0.06/0/-3.85278/0/0.00178/0.002 float=y potential=255/100/0
viewwindows=1/0.75/yes/0/0
colors=000606304102010<4>0B10D10F10H20J20L20N2<2>0T40V40X3<9>0p6<4>cze<3\
>0s8<5>0g60e60c4<2>0Y40W30U4<5>0I20G20E20C20A1081<3>0000101221532653863A\
84DA5EB5HB<2>7NG8PI8RJ9TKAVNAXM<5>EhWFjYFlYGn_Gp`Prd<3>zzz<2>_ulRsgHqaHo\
`GmZFkXFiX<5>BYOAWMAUL9SK<3>7KE6IC5GB5DA<5>121000001023025047049<5>0BL0D\
N0DP<4>0KZ0L`0Mb0Nd0Of0Qh<3>0Up4Yr8atCgvGkxKqz<4>0Vq<13>0FQ0DO0DM<3>08E0\
6C06A048046024012000100<11>P0JR0LT0NV0PX0P<2>b0Vd0Wf0Yh0Zj0`<2>p0e<4>zUx\
yOuwIquCns6iq0g<2>k0bi0`g0_e0Z<3>Y0SW0RU0O<5>I0FG0EE0CC0AA09807
}


frm:bills_diff_delt1  { ; Apr-13-98
                        ; p1 = offset for y var
                        ; real p2 = base real exponent
                        ; imag p2 = base imag exponent
                        ; real p3 = exponent real delta
                        ; imag p3 = exponent imag delta
  c = x = pixel, y = pixel + p1
  splus = real(p2) + real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) + imag(p3))
  sminus = real(p2) - real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) - imag(p3)):
  xtemp = x^splus +c
  x = fn1(xtemp)
  ytemp = y^sminus +c
  y = fn1(ytemp)
  d = |x-y|
  z = d^2
  |z| < 2
}

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:49:36 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

>> Hey! Sylvie Gallet herself, copying one of my ideas? hehehe.... that's=

>> sincere flattery indeed :-)

  My first FOTW was posted on July 8...

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:11:01 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Hi Paul,

>> Your last thumbnail is missing:
>>   http://members.aol.com/gallets/981006m.jpg

  And probably the full size image is missing too...  I know what happend=

and I'll upload these images tonight.  Sorry!!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:17:24 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new virus

FYI, the first Microsoft Word macro virus was released
on a Microsoft Office developers CD, provided by that
most "trustworthy" of sources, Microsoft. Apparently
macro virsus were invented by MS.

Personally, methinks paranoia has a good side ... <G>

On 15 Oct 98 at 11:50, Regina & Steve wrote:

> >    // In other words. Don't download executables .exe files, from
> >    // untrustworthy
> >    // sources
> Is there really such a thing as a truly trustworthy
> source....... (ok so I'm paranoid, but that doesn't mean
> they are not after me;-)
>
> >    // sources and you'll be fine.
> >    // If you're really conserned or worried

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
I'm innocent. You can ask my attorney. -- D.Jones



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:17:24 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

David here. I'm contemplating moving my part of our
family web (particularly the fractal part) to one of the
free web sites. I know a number of Fractint list folk
use such providers.

What ones are out there?

If you use one, what do you think of it?

Mahalo nui loa!

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:17:25 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization    Solu

What about fractal or wavelet compression?

Also, the ultimately compressed 4096x4096 fractal would
be the appropriate PAR and FRM files ... <G>

On 15 Oct 98 at 22:16, Kragen wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
> > >If you have sufficient tolerance for lossiness, you can get any
> > >compression ratio you want, even 1,000,000 to 1.  :)
> >
> > So, you did know it was configurable,
>
> I wasn't referring to JPEG here.  I don't think you can
> get 1,000,000 to 1 with JPEG --- although I could be
> wrong!
>
> Fractals don't look too bad with JPEG, especially if
> they have smooth color schemes, unless you turn the
> quality way down.

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
Do couch potatos have inter-personal relationships? -- D.Jones



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:28:42 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new virus

Microsoft is the least trustworthy of sources ;-)
- --
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:50:32 +0200
From: Steffen Lindemann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Usubscribe

Hi All,
I using a low bandwidth modem (mobile phone) and I feel forced to
usubscribe from this list, because a huge amount of stuff there is not
related to Fractales and it's beauty.
I'm sorry....

Kindly

Steffen Lindemann




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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:33:24 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

Shauna Jones wrote:
>
> David here. I'm contemplating moving my part of our
> family web (particularly the fractal part) to one of the
> free web sites. I know a number of Fractint list folk
> use such providers.
>
> What ones are out there?

    http://www.geocities.com/
    http://www.tripod.com/
    http://www.fortunecity.com/
    http://www.dewa.com/
    http://www.FreeYellow.com/
    http://www.Nettaxi.com/

P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:45:30 +0100
From: Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re:webpage

At the risk of reverting to "we're getting off the subject again"
type...

IE itself is lousy. Like a MIDI system, it does the job it was designed
to do quite adequately, but it doesn't seem very efficient at doing it,
and it tries to sompensate for its losses with additional bits and bobs
in an effort to divert attention from its shortcommings.

I only used it in preference over Netscape since I had problems with NS
initially (but this turned out to be a problem with Windows, not NS),
but others who use NS at my workplace seem to get much quicker
page-builds. I normally have to manually scroll down for any text to
appear while waiting for images to complete downloading.

> At 12:56 PM 10/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >For all it's faults, I've found IE to at least name the files in the
> >cache something relevent to their original names, so linking them is
> >fairly easy. However, Netscape called them by daft names and I had
> >difficulty finding which was which (is this normal, or is there
> >something I haven't set correctly to avoid this?)
>
> IE's cache is inefficient though. I've often found it's gone and saved
> the
> exact same large gif in each of four subdirectories in the cache dir!
> Also,
> I keep setting it to 1% of my drive (22 megabytes) and I keep noticing
> disk
> space loss a couple days later and discovering that the disk space
> fairy
> has come and bumped it up to 3% on me -- 66 megs, using up 40 megs.
>
Hmm... I experienced a message telling me that my system drive was full
after browsing one night, and it seems that it'd expanded my cache quite
happily, taking up the remainder of the disk. Perhaps the setting
doesn't take into account a dynamically-resizing swapfile?

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:44:52 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Re:webpage

I've had IE crash..... on the other hand I've had Netscape hang the entire
system, forcing a reboot. I'll take IE anyday even if it is slower.
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- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:14:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Par file error

In a message dated 10/16/98 12:00:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< First, I can't remember what key, or keys, I hit that made the screen
 suddenly start generating(or revealing) a black and white image. >>
Hi Ray,
Try F6 for the black and white. As for the new par that doesn't work ... I'd
just recreate one [ while in fractint ] [ choose "B" ....then name it and save
one file in it]
then open the one that doesn't work [in a text editor] copy the files you
need, and paste to the new par. I've no clue about the error message.
Good luck.
Steve

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:14:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) High iteration zooms

In a message dated 10/15/98 11:03:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< My web page uses the target so nobody gets stuck in my frames. >>

Paul used frames nicely. [borders=0?] Looks clean.
And the navagation is handy.
Steve

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:26:49 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) High iteration zooms

At 08:14 AM 10/16/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Paul used frames nicely. [borders=0?] Looks clean.
>And the navagation is handy.
>Steve

Borders are default, actually, on the frames. I use 0 on certain images. I
used a pixel height and 100% width specification so the navigation frame
takes up a smaller proportion of the page at higher resolutions (and the
funky graphic doesn't repeat in an ugly way).

As with most tools, frames can be used well and used poorly.

- --
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- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:44:14 -0300
From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) High iteration zooms

> Paul Derbyshire[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote :
>
    >>>Won't the search engines find this in the body of the html
anyways? Or is
    >>>this used to make it find "mandelbrot" on your home page which
actually
    >>>only links to a "fractal gallery"?

AltaVista (and probably other search engines) gives high "priority" (i.e. it
shows it closer
to the top on the results page) to a web page which has the keyword in the
META tag
instead of having it in the body. The benefits are obvious, and AltaVista
even recommend this
technique on their website.

A par to stay on topic :

alien01            {; Reminds me of the ID4 ships
        ; (c) Miguel Fliguer 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=miguel.frm formulaname=test01
  function=atan/ident center-mag=0.0864542/-0.826029/1.338077/0.8065
  colors=CCCCMs<15>CqsCssCsq<8>Cs_CsYECE<20>sCs<20>ECsCCsCEs<19>CqsCssCsq<\
  19>CsECsCEsE<19>qsqsssssq<19>ssEssCsqC<19>sECsCCqCC<21>ACCCCC<21>sCs<20>\
  ECsCCsCEs<2>CKs
  }

frm:test01{;
z=c=pixel:
t=real(z)/imag(z)
z=fn1(z)+fn2(t)
|z|<4
}


Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:08:32 -0300
From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

> Paul Derbyshire[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>
>>>3. Most users of the Fractint-list are English speaking.

"Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, Sir !"
    -  Monty Python, "The Cheese Shop" -

All users of this list post to it in English (nothing to do to their native
language). Did
anybody perform a survey on the list to find the "dominant" nationality ?

On the www.useit.com debate :  I could reach it without problems. But for
the folks
with screwed DNSs, they can try :

http://209.24.40.3/

This is the IP of www.useit.com, according to my traceroute.

As usual, a par to stay fractal-related :

raro2              {; Some weird H.P.Lovecraft entity ?
        ; (c) Miguel Fliguer 1998 - Uses my Prueba_000
        ; Palette by Jacco Burger (Thanks !)
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=miguel.frm
  formulaname=Prueba_000 function=sin/sqr
  center-mag=1.33328/0.563737/1.964679/1/-125 params=1/0/1/0
  potential=250/200/0 decomp=256
  colors=000D5P<12>J7aK8bL8cM8dM8fN8gO9i<10>O9aO9`O9`O9`<9>K9XJ8XJ8WI8V<26\
  >112000000<27>325436534423<8>wuu<11>YJ9VF4SD4<5>421445<9>`THdWJfXJ<4>n`I\
  oaIn`I<16>Y54X33Y65<13>skYuo`un`<38>bAI000<23>C5O
  }

frm:
Prueba_000 {;
z=fn1(pixel), c=fn2(pixel):
z=fn2(p1/z^4) - fn1(p2/z^2) + c
|z|<64
}

Regards,
Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina


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