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fractint-digest        Friday, October 16 1998        Volume 01 : Number 319




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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Shauna Jones wrote:
> David here. I'm contemplating moving my part of our
> family web (particularly the fractal part) to one of the
> free web sites. I know a number of Fractint list folk
> use such providers.

I hope you don't.  There are a bunch of providers that are less than
$10 per month, and they don't arbitrarily pull your pages if they think
your fractal looks like a vagina, and they don't put ads on your
pages.  Some that look pretty good are www.he.net, www.caryon.com,
www.astraweb.com, www.dragondata.com, www.pixelgate.net, www.pair.com,
www.webcom.com, www.digitrends.com, www.twisted.pair.com, www.clearlight.com,
www.serve.com, and www.dreamhost.com.  There are probably another 100
providers out there that have similar prices, similar bandwidth, and
similar unrestrictions.

Also, most of them will host virtual domains --- which means that you
can switch to another provider without changing your URL.  You can get
an xyz.ml.org address for free, an address in .to, .nu, or .tj without
too much money, or an address in .com or .org for $35 a year, plus the
risk of having your domain arbitrarily yanked if you haven't registered
a trademark on it.

Kragen

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<[e-mail]>       Kragen Sitaker     <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
A well designed system must take people into account.  . . .  It's hard to
build a system that provides strong authentication on top of systems that
can be penetrated by knowing someone's mother's maiden name.  -- Schneier


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization    Solu

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Shauna Jones wrote:
> What about fractal or wavelet compression?
>
> Also, the ultimately compressed 4096x4096 fractal would
> be the appropriate PAR and FRM files ... <G>

Another excellent example of hidden redundancies.  This is more
plausible than my encryption argument: a fractal image is simply a
larger, more convenient representation of the information in the .par
and .frm file, plus a little bit of the information in Fractint.

Kragen

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can be penetrated by knowing someone's mother's maiden name.  -- Schneier


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:34:18 -0400
From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) off-topic messages

Tim, can you repost the request to take non-fractint related messages into
private email?  I haven't noticed any change or willingness on the parts of
some to do this. I'm getting overwhelmed with junk messages that are of
interest only to the involved few. Thanks,
Marie


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:15:16 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

A useful resource for finding free web site hosting is www.freewebspace.net This isn't a
host itself; it's a list of others.


I won't put a list up here; www.freespace.net lists many, many hosts.

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Dean-Christian Strik
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Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware. Hardware has limitations,
software doesnt. It's a real shame that Turing machines are so poor at I/O.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shauna Jones <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 1998 6:18
Subject: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?


David here. I'm contemplating moving my part of our
family web (particularly the fractal part) to one of the
free web sites. I know a number of Fractint list folk
use such providers.

What ones are out there?

If you use one, what do you think of it?

Mahalo nui loa!

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
Synergy, Synchronicity, and Serendipity - the three 'S's' of life. -- D.Jones



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:11:05 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization   Solutions

>ZIP is probably preferred to bzip2 because (a) bzip2 just compresses
>--- it doesn't make archives ---

Okay, but I suppose you know the position of .tar.gz ...

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:01:07 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) off-topic messages

Yeah... finally... I waited for this one :-)

Sorry.

Dean

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marie Drozdis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 1998 13:38
Subject: RE: (fractint) off-topic messages


>Tim, can you repost the request to take non-fractint related messages into
>private email?  I haven't noticed any change or willingness on the parts of
>some to do this. I'm getting overwhelmed with junk messages that are of
>interest only to the involved few. Thanks,
>Marie
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:11:10 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

I mean, of course, again, www.freewebspace.net.

>I won't put a list up here; www.freespace.net lists many, many hosts.


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software doesnt. It's a real shame that Turing machines are so poor at I/O.





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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:28:24 -0400
From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Par file error

Ray,

>When I finally started out of
>Fractint, on the black 'Thanks for using Fractint' screen I found the
>following message:
>
>"run-time error R6001
> -null pointer assignment- "


This happens when the program fails in an attempt to allocate memory for
some purpose; when data is to be written to the allocated memory, it is
instead written to the NULL (i.e. 0) address. Usually nothing bad happens=
;
occasionally it can crash the program.

This is a serious bug (when a memory allocation fails, the program should=

be designed to recognize it and not write data to the nonexistent memory)=
=2E
This comes up occasionally during the development process of a release, a=
nd
the identification and elimination of the cause is always a top priority.=


I suggest we take this discussion off the message list for now. Please
write me directly (my email address is on the opening credits screen) so
that I can see if I can recreate the problem. As a minimum, I need to kno=
w
the version of Fractint you are using, and a copy of the par entry you we=
re
trying to draw.

Regards,

George Martin  =


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:22:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Marvin Martian speaks

Fractinters:

I'm not angry, just terribly, terribly hurt.

What is going on?  Has everyone suddenly gone crazy, or have we just turned
into a bunch of little children, trolling for excitement?

I don't post much to the Fractint list; I do most of my posting to the
Fractal-Art list.  But I read the Fractint list every day.  These past few
days I've received over a hundred off-topic messages.  Posting to Usenet as
I do, I get enough real spam as it is.  But the stuff I've been reading here
lately isn't even as interesting as the real XXX-rated spam.

I did not subscribe to the Fractint list to read about the merits of various
computer platforms, or to learn how to design a good web page, or to learn
how file compression is accomplished.  There are better places to learn
these things.  I joined the Fractint list to learn how to create better
fractals.

Before we click that "send" button, we should ask ourselves, "what does this
message have to do with fractals or Fractint?"  If the answer is "nothing"
then let's send it privately.

Jim Muth
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:00:02 -0400
From: "Mitch Berger"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) First postings

Well, it has taken me more than just a couple of days to screw up the
courage to post these pars. They were "discovered" while trying to learn
something in Winfract 18.21. Some were refined in Fractint, after I began
to understand(?) some. I hope you like them as much as I do. I know I have
enjoyed those sent over the last 3-4 weeks.

***Mitch Berger***

One_Man's_Hell     { ; Why Me Lord
                     ; Why not?
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Blue_Tacos         { ; Dreams after too much Mexican food
                     ; Early exploration
                     ; Before I knew about .frm
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  center-mag=-0.06257822277850811/+0.23789649415700030/0.9374022
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No1_image          { ; Boy was I Proud
                     ; Early exploration
                     ; Before I knew about .frm
  reset=1960 type=lambda(fn||fn) function=sinh/cosh
  center-mag=+0.00056457499999985/+0.00207519499999997/0.3335641/0.9996
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Question           { ; Birth or Cannibalism?
                     ; Early exploration
                     ; Before I knew about .frm
  reset=1821 type=mandelfn function=sin
  center-mag=-2.39249420500000000/+2.41904449500000000/2.45863/0.9996
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                     ; Early exploration
                     ; Before I knew about .frm
                     ; used x-temple.map from Fractextra
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Dr. Mitch
"The destination is not that rewarding if you have not had the experience
of the journey."
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:22:31 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Hi Paul et al,

>> >> Your last thumbnail is missing:
>> >>   http://members.aol.com/gallets/981006m.jpg
>>
>>   And probably the full size image is missing too...  I know what
>> happend and I'll upload these images tonight.  Sorry!!

  I just uploaded 981006m.jpg and 981006.jpg.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:56:48 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> I just uploaded 981006m.jpg and 981006.jpg.
>

These were the ones I've been waiting for!!!  ;-}
I really love the "earth tones" (greens, browns, etc..), that's probably
why I create so many with these colors myself.  :-)

BTW, some nice images in the SG_FOTW.par, but those three that take a
long time (96 hours ??) will have to wait.

P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:32:55 +0200
From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Usubscribe

Steffen Lindemann <[e-mail]> wrote


>Hi All,
>I using a low bandwidth modem (mobile phone) and I feel forced to
>usubscribe from this list, because a huge amount of stuff there is not
>related to Fractales and it's beauty.
>I'm sorry....


I agree with Steffen. This has happened before, but now I don't intend to
waste any more of my time. I unsubscribe. If there is anything I want to
announce on this list I will subscribe temporarely just for the occasion.
Bye!

Jacco


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:53:00 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Paul,

>> BTW, some nice images in the SG_FOTW.par,

  Thanks!

>> but those three that take a long time (96 hours ??) will have to wait.=


  Yes, 96 hours at 1600x1200 (P166), it's a deep zoom.

  Here are 7 quickies:

6M003800.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:02:31=
=2E44
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-1.25186314760508300/+0.01945241199478459/8000 params=3D0/=
0
  float=3Dy maxiter=3D16384 inside=3D0
  colors=3D000D10<6>TE0WG0XI0<14>xq0zt0zs0<18>rQ0rO0qM0pL0<10>_A0Y90W80U7=
0S6\
  0<5>F00<3>J06K08K09K1AL2C02A<16>0GR1GS3HT<13>TVfUWgWYhY_i<12>vww<20>Rbn=
P\
  `mO`l<13>8OZ6NY4LW3KV<4>1AH18E05A<7>1LU2NX4OX<12>UafWbgZdhafh<7>zyj<12>=
z\
  sMzrKzqK<2>wkJwjJvhJugJteI<10>iNChLBfJAdIA<9>B00
  }

6M007209.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:20:14=
=2E67
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-0.09703580219119727/+0.65263705725587050/2.09204e+007/1/1=
24.\
  998 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D20000
  colors=3D000fVc<14>uuuwwwvww<33>22N00L11M<32>uutwwvwwt<22>ysMzrKzqK<13>=
oTG\
  nRFlQE<13>A00<8>K00<3>TC0<14>zwzywz<30>J`iH_hI_h<23>www<15>SFQ<4>`MYbO_=
c\
  P`dRaeTb
  }

6M007210.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:18:17=
=2E01
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-0.09703580219119727/+0.65263705725587060/2.09204e+007/1/1=
24.\
  998 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D10000 inside=3D0 logmap=3D1167
  colors=3D0002PF<3>AA0<5>U00<10>zm0<6>xU0<5>UB1P82K52E13C26<3>46K37N38O3=
9P4\
  AQ4BR<16>VdAXf9Yg9_h9<12>wx9yz9yy9<12>q_2pY1oW0nV0mU0<9>bK0aJ0`I0ZG0YF0=
W\
  E0<7>L40<5>CG1AI2AJ2<14>H`8<12>wrB<11>yyvzzzyzx<16>_oRYnPXlO<14>A55<14>=
r\
  bjuemviowmr<9>vzU<13>0bT<5>0SI
  }

6M007298.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:01:59=
=2E24
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-1.94156372319501500/+0.00015082209072200/2.980887e+007
  params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D3000 inside=3D0
  colors=3D0008HT6FS<2>6FR7EQ7EP8DP9CO<16>J1BK0AM3A<14>zt0<13>tb0ta0s_0rZ=
0<6\
  >iL0hJ0gI0fH0<11>Q50P50O40N30L30K20J10H00<39>jfbkgclhe<11>vuuwwwvww<2>r=
u\
  wqtvosvnrulqt<3>fmrelqdkpcjobin<27>4EM2CK1AH18E05A<6>1JR1LU3MV<26>vyw<2=
0\
  >LT`JR_HPYFNXDLWBKV9IU
  }

6M008121.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:32:41=
=2E41
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1950 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-0.09703580179264795/+0.65263705782502150/1.216303e+008/1/=
102\
  .498 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D40000 inside=3D0
  colors=3D000eYU<8>nhdojfojg<13>vvuwwwvww<2>ruwqtvosvnrulqt<3>fmrelqdkpc=
job\
  in<27>4EM2CK1AH18E05A<6>1JR1LU3MV<26>vyw<4>nrrlqqjophmo<9>RYePWdPWd<13>=
K\
  PTJOSJNSJMRJKQ<11>J4EI2DK3D<11>gL9iN9jO9kQ8<2>oV7qX6qY6<19>yq3zs2xq2<18=
>\
  N51K20J10H00<17>VKHWLIXMK<7>dWT
  }

6M008122.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:30:59=
=2E52
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-0.09703580179264795/+0.65263705782502150/1.216303e+008/1/=
102\
  .498 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D30000 inside=3D0 logmap=3D1748
  colors=3D0000VL0UK0SI<3>8E4AA0D90<4>U00<10>zm0<6>xU0<5>UB1P82K52E13C26<=
3>4\
  6K37N38O39P4AQ4BR<16>VdAXf9Yg9_h9<12>wx9yz9yy9<12>q_2pY1oW0nV0mU0<9>bK0=
a\
  J0`I0ZG0YF0WE0<7>L40<5>CG1AI2AJ2<14>H`8<12>wrB<11>yyvzzzyzx<16>_oRYnPXl=
O\
  <14>A55<14>rbjuemviowmr<9>vzU<13>0bT<2>0XN
  }

6M008248.GIF       { ; .                                    t=3D  0:03:25=
=2E05
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=3Dcalc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel passes=3D1
  center-mag=3D-1.94156372027722900/+0.00015081593477735/2.4878e+008
  params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D3000 inside=3D0
  colors=3D0002CK<2>05A<6>1JR1LU3MV<4>DS_FU`HVaJXbLYc<17>vwx<20>LT`JR_HPY=
FNX\
  DLW<2>8HT6FS6FS<2>7EQ7EP8DP9CO<16>J1BK0AM3A<14>zt0<13>tb0ta0s_0rZ0<12>b=
I\
  0aH0`G0ZE0YD0WC0<9>J20H00H10<40>lhemifnjgnkioljpnl<6>vuuwwwvww<2>ruwqtv=
o\
  svnrulqt<3>fmrelqdkpcjobin<27>4EM
  }

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:30:06 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Sylvie,

I think s.t. went wrong here. Could you repost?

- --

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Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware. Hardware has limitations,
software doesnt. It's a real shame that Turing machines are so poor at I/O.


- -----Original messsage-----
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 1998 21:12
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file


Paul,

>> BTW, some nice images in the SG_FOTW.par,

  Thanks!

>> but those three that take a long time (96 hours ??) will have to wait.

  Yes, 96 hours at 1600x1200 (P166), it's a deep zoom.

  Here are 7 quickies:

6M003800.GIF       { ; .                                    t=  0:02:31.44
                     ; Copyright Sylvie Gallet, Sep 19, 1998
                     ; <[e-mail]>
                     ; t=calc time using a Pentium 166 at 1600 x 1200
  reset=1960 type=mandel passes=1
  center-mag=-1.25186314760508300/+0.01945241199478459/8000 params=0/=

[NO SNIP - just the way i got it]




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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:08:08 -0500
From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new virus

<<Microsoft is the least trustworthy of sources ;-)>>

  Microsoft IE 4.0 has an option to "Always trust content from Microsoft
Corp." Do I smell a conspiracy theory here? :-P

||===================== ||
||   --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v--    ||
||  The weird guy in the corner ||
||          Dreamy Smurf            ||
||             Donatello!               ||
||      "Some are vicious,          ||
||         some are fools,           ||
||        and others blind            ||
||          to see in me,             ||
||       one of their kind."          ||
||  -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)||
||===================== ||


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:11:46 -0500
From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Opinions of free web site providers?

<<Shauna Jones wrote:
>
> David here. I'm contemplating moving my part of our
> family web (particularly the fractal part) to one of the
> free web sites. I know a number of Fractint list folk
> use such providers.
>
> What ones are out there?

    http://www.geocities.com/
    http://www.tripod.com/
    http://www.fortunecity.com/
    http://www.dewa.com/
    http://www.FreeYellow.com/
    http://www.Nettaxi.com/>>

You skipped the best one. :-P

http://www.crosswinds.net/

Crosswinds provides infinite space for free and doesn't give you popup ads
like Geocities or Tripod. Plus the owner has a page on the site where
Crosswinds members can send in pictures of their cats. (Or at least he wil
one of these days, or so he promsies.) Therefore, by definition, it's good.
:-P

||===================== ||
||   --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v--    ||
||  The weird guy in the corner ||
||          Dreamy Smurf            ||
||             Donatello!               ||
||      "Some are vicious,          ||
||         some are fools,           ||
||        and others blind            ||
||          to see in me,             ||
||       one of their kind."          ||
||  -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)||
||===================== ||


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:25:01 -0400
From: "AA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) off-topic messages

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Marie Drozdis
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 9:34 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: (fractint) off-topic messages
>
>
> Tim, can you repost the request to take non-fractint related messages into
> private email?  I haven't noticed any change or willingness on
> I'm getting overwhelmed with junk messages that are of
> interest only to the involved few.

The Boundry between Topic and Off-Topic is Fractal!


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:40:16 -0600
From: Xylen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) off-topic messages

AA wrote:

> The Boundry between Topic and Off-Topic is Fractal!


So does that mean if we calculate the position of every recipient of
this mailing list and then color them according to the number of
messages it takes to send them into orbit, we would have a an escape
time fractal of the fractint mailing list?  ;-)

That does bring up a question for this list that IS on topic. With
fractint we generate fractals that are projected on to a 2-D plane. Does
the appearance of a fractal changed if it is projected onto a sphere? I
don't mean just warping a 2-D image into a sphere, but actually using
spherical coordinates to calculate the orbits, and THEN projecting the
3-D image back onto a 2-D plane. Or is it really the same thing?  Sorry
if this question is redundant, but I'm trying to lay the groundwork for
understanding multi-dimensional fractals.

Xylen
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:04:15 -0400
From: "AA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) off-topic messages


> That does bring up a question for this list that IS on topic. With
> fractint we generate fractals that are projected on to a 2-D plane. Does
> the appearance of a fractal changed if it is projected onto a sphere? I
> don't mean just warping a 2-D image into a sphere, but actually using
> spherical coordinates to calculate the orbits, and THEN projecting the
> 3-D image back onto a 2-D plane. Or is it really the same thing?  Sorry
> if this question is redundant, but I'm trying to lay the groundwork for
> understanding multi-dimensional fractals.

Fractals,
dependent as they are
on complex numbers,
exist primarily
in two or four dimensions.
Three spatial dimensions
are almost useless
for anything
except reality.

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:34:40 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

    // Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
    //
    // >There's no telling if that's where RAR's author got the idea.
    //
    //
    // Unless we could get to him (her). Anyone found rar's
    // official url yet?

Found it:

Http://www.creabel.com/softronic

Pete

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:34:39 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

    // Kragen wrote:
    //
    // Righto.
    //
    // BTW, you can get the same effect by creating a .ZIP archive with no
    // compression, then creating another .zip archive with one
    // file in it --
    // the first, uncompressed, .zip archive -- and maximum compression.
    //
    // There's no telling if that's where RAR's author got the idea.
    //
    // Kragen

Hehe...  Yeah, but that means you would have a .zip.zip file, if you follow
std. UNIX conventions.. :)

Pete



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:34:37 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

    // Kragen wrote:
    //
    // No archiver can compress completely random data, even by 1%.  No one
    // has proven any bounds on the compression possible for any particular
    // kind of nonrandom data, partly because most real nonrandom
    // data is very
    // difficult to characterize mathematically.

There are no bounds on the compression of nonrandom data --  suppose you
have a 1 meg file with every single one of the 2^20 bytes equal to the
letter 'a'.  You can shrink this down to 2 bytes, obviously. (First byte ==
0x100000 (2^10), second byte == 'a'.)

    //
    // It's about twice as slow on compression as gzip, and about
    // thirty times
    // as slow on decompression.  (gzip decompresses about fifteen times as
    // fast as it compresses, you see, while bzip2 decompresses
    // just as slowly
    // as it compresses.)  I think gzip uses the same compression
    // that zip does.
    //

I don't think so...  I think there was somekind of copyright dispute
involving PK's algorithm, although I may be wrong...

Pete


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