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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:14:21 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

Paul wrote:

>The decompression data in the header overwhelmes the slim-to-none
>compression savings.) But some specific kinds of data compress a great
>deal. Even high quality JPG compression can make a fairly uncomplicated
>picture shrink by a factor of four, six, eight, even a dozen.

JPEG compression is nothing, nothing like file compression used by archivers and such.
JPEG compression also means losing details, while with the compression we were talking
about, no data is lost (fortunately!).

>Text
>frequently compresses 5-10 times under common streaming compression
>techniques because of the unused eight bit (redundant, there's 1/8 off the
>data size already), the great bias toward only a few bytes (the
>alphanumerics, then the space and punctuation, and none of the unprintable
>characters at all), and then the frequent occurrence of words ranging from
>"the" to fairly substantial ones. Every occurrence of space "the" space
>probably becomes a couple byte identifier, saving three bytes for every
>such occurrence...
>Animations have the same sort of redundancy as regular image data but in
>three dimensions, adding to compressibility. MPG can get 100-fold
>compression over the raw frame data.


Again, that's loosely (sp?) compression.

>>That's why no
>>one has replaced zip as the virtual Wintel standard, because on average, you
>>can't really do much better.
>
>The who standard?

The unofficial standard for windows and dos.

>
>>    // btw, bzip2 has usually about 20% better compression than zip, arj,
>>    // gzip, etc.  I wonder if it uses the same methods as RAR?  It's also
>>    // very slow.
>>    //
>
>Zip is probably preferred to bzip2 because of the speed. Speed/space
>tradeoffs are very common in computing. Many many algorithms can be
>mathematically proven to be either slow, space hogging, or some compromise
>between the two.


Not even speaking of availability. Not many (wintel) people use it, and even in the unix
world it's not the most used format.

>>>I'll take higher compression over speed any day.
>
>As with most such tradeoffs, alternate variants that choose differently
>usually arise, so that users have their choice of speed versus space.


Hmm... makes me remember to set the -9 with gzip -- usually forget this.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:24:15 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Solutions

Paul wrote:

>At 01:21 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>No archiver can compress completely random data, even by 1%.  No one
>>has proven any bounds on the compression possible for any particular
>>kind of nonrandom data, partly because most real nonrandom data is very
>>difficult to characterize mathematically.
>
>Why don't they make some up then... Markov chains, chaotic iterations
>(veering slightly toward on-topic), and the like all offer means of
>creating mathematically exact and anaylzable data with similar
>characteristics to real data. (E.g. stock market data.)

Fractal compression (amongst others) seems right for data compression, even for no-loss
compression. I dunno about the most recent developments in this area, but I guess the
algo's are far too slow to be useful yet. Or even making the decision which algo to use...

Okay, in that case one can indeed compress 'random' data quite well. But I don't think
this is a valuable option *yet*.

>Also,
>typical-looking written text for any language can be computer-generated
>with the syntactic and statistical properties of real text (but meaningless
>semantics); I've done that myself; and the statistical properties of every
>major language are extremely well documented from much analysis of
>thousands of written texts, this data being primarily useful for
>cryptanalysis and cryptography; it would also be useful for studying the
>redundancy and compressibility of text in various languages.


Yes. Very interesting BTW.

>Also, real world data can be fed into a computer for "autocorrelation
>analysis". The higher the autocorrelation, the more compressible the data.
>The higher the autocorrelation on already-compressed data, the more
>horribly inefficient the compression that was used :-)


:-)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:15 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

Paul wrote:

>Don't waste your time, he misspelled something, because there is no such
>host as www.useit.com. There is a www.use-it.com (with a dash) but it's
>some site in a foreign language and with *frames*, so I'm fairly sure it
>isn't the site you meant.....


Let't just call the language 'German'. 'Foreign' language is a wrong term on the net, not
even considering that the German language is used (or at least known) by a lot of people.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:57:05 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim's request

Kragen wrote:


>Tim requested no more non-fractal-related stuff.
>
>I will post no more non-fractal messages.


Very smart, very smart.

[By 'smart' i mean the english translation of the dutch 'bijdehand', but there doesn't
seem to be a good translation around].

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:58:54 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) new virus

>They [cabs] don't take much space, so they can lie there dormant.....just like
>windows really is.....

That's for win95.... 98 keeps about a 100 MBs in cab files.... but I believe they're not
installed in options\cabs.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:59:38 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Holy SHIT :-)

Pardon?


>That FOTW was a brilliant idea, ever since I put it there I get like twice
>the hits... mostly, on Wednesdays hehe. 57 yesterday! Maybe I should add a
>ZSOTW.......





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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:02:03 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

>> Don't waste your time, he misspelled something, because there is no such
>> host as www.useit.com.
>
>Indeed there is.  I just downloaded a web page from it to be sure.


Works for me, too.

Dean




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:12:25 +1000
From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] cost of images

Thank you for all your replies, it was useful and interesting. I have
finally picked up my printed full size picture and it is 50" x  40". Has
anyone sold one of this size? If so, how much for the print itself excluding
framing? (I would add on framing costs as a seperate item at cost) Also,
does anyone
charge a different amount for one that is personally signed? What type of
pen/ink/pencil? What other
forms of unique identification does anyone use? After all, anyone can
produce a print from a file they took from the internet - what we are
creating is art - and the personal touch is required.

bye,
regina

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:webpage

>
> > << It means loosing the cache of my contest98. Other methods of
> > deleting
> >  seperate files haven't worked. Any ideas on this. I hate win.
> Yeah - once you've finished surfin', pull all the JPEGS/GIFS from your
> cache into a permanent storage area, such as a folder marked "FractPics"
> or something.
>
> Whenever I find sites of interest, I tend to pull the HTML pages into a
> separate folder, and the relevent graphics into a sub-folder, then
> manually edit the references in the HTML pages so that I can browse
> off-line and still view all and sundry in it's glory. Then I can at
> least clear out the cache without losing anything of interest.
>
> For all it's faults, I've found IE to at least name the files in the
> cache something relevent to their original names, so linking them is
> fairly easy. However, Netscape called them by daft names and I had
> difficulty finding which was which (is this normal, or is there
> something I haven't set correctly to avoid this?)

For those that aren't aware of them, there are several programs that let
you search the hierarchy of a particular web sites pages/images and
allow you to select what you would like to download and store locally.
Then you can browse those pages offline.

Several are, Black Widow, Teleport, InSite, and maybe others.


Ken...




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:46:26 -0000 (GMT)
From: Jim Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: [fractal-art] Immersive-visualization  Soluti

Dear All,

Please could we get back to fractals, not HTML authoring, compression
techniques and platform wars; there's plenty of lists around for these
topics.

BTW; Kim, thanks for this mornings .par - I loved it...


Best Regards


Jim Watson

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:17:01 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) [Fwd: XFractint failure :(]

oops, forgot xmission was a com and not an org.  Sorry.

"Justin A. Kolodziej" wrote:
>
> Compiling XFractint with GCC 2.8.1 causes it to segfault when I load a formula.
> It doesn't work on Solaris-X86 or Linux.  I'm not sure if the compiler or the
> the program is at fault.
>
> I will try an older compiler later...
>
> Justin A. Kolodziej
>
> P.S. Shouldn't we be up to version 20 of regular Fractint by now?!  :(
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:39:48 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Tim's request

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> Are there points in a Cantor dust other than points that were at some
> point endpoints of segments?  How many endpoints are there?  (I
> understand there are aleph-one points left in the final dust.)
>
> Kragen
>
Fuzzy hand-waving approach. There are countably many endpoints, ie
aleph-null, because we can enumerate the number of steps of removing the
middle sections, and at each removal a finite number of new endpoints are
created.  So if there are aleph-one points in the dust some of them cannot
be endpoints.

I may be talking rubbish but I'm sure there are listmembers who can give the
right answer

Joe

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:00:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: RE: (fractint) Tim's request

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Joe Pearson wrote:
> Fuzzy hand-waving approach. There are countably many endpoints, ie
> aleph-null, because we can enumerate the number of steps of removing the
> middle sections, and at each removal a finite number of new endpoints are
> created.  So if there are aleph-one points in the dust some of them cannot
> be endpoints.

See, the same thought occurred to me.  Then I thought, well, you can
use the same argument for binary numbers: there are countably many
binary strings of aleph-null length, because we can enumerate the
number of steps of appending a new digit, and at each digit-appending,
a finite number of new binary strings are created --- two for each one
that already existed.  But Cantor's diagonalization proof applies here,
so there are more than aleph-null binary strings of infinite length.

You can use Cantor's diagonalization proof in exactly the same way on
the endpoints, it seems to me.

Also, it seems that every point that is not an endpoint will be removed
at some point.

But these are off-the-cuff --- I've probably made an error somewhere up
here.  If not, then I've made an error down below.  I hope someone will
be kind enough to point it out to me.

On the other hand, there's another construction of the Cantor dust:
instead of dividing *all* the line segments at each step, just pick
*one* -- the biggest one, or if there are several of the same size, the
leftmost of the biggest ones --- and cut a chunk out of the middle of
*it*.  If you repeat this for 2^N-1 steps, you get the same thing as if
you'd done the usual Cantor-dust construction for N steps.

So in the limit of N -> infinity, do you still get the same thing?
Because this construction will obviously never produce an uncountable
number of endpoints, right?

Kragen (puzzled, but on-topic :))

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:16:39 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Tim's request

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Joe Pearson wrote:
> > Fuzzy hand-waving approach. There are countably many endpoints, ie
> > aleph-null, because we can enumerate the number of steps of removing the
> > middle sections, and at each removal a finite number of new endpoints are
> > created.  So if there are aleph-one points in the dust some of them cannot
> > be endpoints.
>
> See, the same thought occurred to me.  Then I thought, well, you can
> use the same argument for binary numbers: there are countably many
> binary strings of aleph-null length, because we can enumerate the
> number of steps of appending a new digit, and at each digit-appending,
> a finite number of new binary strings are created --- two for each one
> that already existed.  But Cantor's diagonalization proof applies here,
> so there are more than aleph-null binary strings of infinite length.
>
> You can use Cantor's diagonalization proof in exactly the same way on
> the endpoints, it seems to me.
>

I think that is correct...

The points in the Cantor set, if scaled to fill the interval from 0 to 1, are
all the numbers with no 1 in their ternary expression, thanks to the way the set
is constructed.

You can then map all points in the Cantor set to those on the line segment by
replacing each 2 with a binary 1.

I don't know if that actually helps decide whether all the points are
endpoints.  I suspect all non-repeating strings (irrational numbers) that are in
the Cantor set are not endpoints.  I wouldn't know how to go about proving that
though.

If so, then the number of endpoints is aleph-null because they are at most the
number of rational numbers, while the total number of points is aleph-one.

> Also, it seems that every point that is not an endpoint will be removed
> at some point.
>
> But these are off-the-cuff --- I've probably made an error somewhere up
> here.  If not, then I've made an error down below.  I hope someone will
> be kind enough to point it out to me.
>
> On the other hand, there's another construction of the Cantor dust:
> instead of dividing *all* the line segments at each step, just pick
> *one* -- the biggest one, or if there are several of the same size, the
> leftmost of the biggest ones --- and cut a chunk out of the middle of
> *it*.  If you repeat this for 2^N-1 steps, you get the same thing as if
> you'd done the usual Cantor-dust construction for N steps.
>
> So in the limit of N -> infinity, do you still get the same thing?
> Because this construction will obviously never produce an uncountable
> number of endpoints, right?
>
> Kragen (puzzled, but on-topic :))
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:29:41 -0000
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:webpage

Ken wrote:

>For those that aren't aware of them, there are several programs that let
>you search the hierarchy of a particular web sites pages/images and
>allow you to select what you would like to download and store locally.
>Then you can browse those pages offline.
>
>Several are, Black Widow, Teleport, InSite, and maybe others.

I use the commercial version of Teleport Pro, v1.28 bld254. It is also available as
shareware. See www.tenmax.com.  The sw-version has one major con: you can only dl a 100
files per project.

There's a project wizard, from which you can do the following:

- - Create a browsable copy of a website on my harddrive.
  Says website but any url can be given, including directories.
  Auto-adjusts urls for local use.
- - Duplicate a website, including directory structure.
  Just downloads all files. Urls unchanged.
- - Search a website for files of a certain type.
- - Explore every site linked from a central site.
- - Retrieve one or more files at known addresses.
- - Search a website for keywords.

This version only works with http (www) servers. I don't know about newer releases.

[I'll try to get on-topic again :) ]

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:42:59 -0400
From: "AA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Tim's request

> Are there points in a Cantor dust other than points that were at some
> point endpoints of segments?  How many endpoints are there?  (I
> understand there are aleph-one points left in the final dust.)

The Cantor *set* (not dust) consists of the unit interval (the real numbers
between 0 and 1)
         _______________________________
         0                              1
with the middle third removed
         ___________         ___________
         0       1/3       2/3          1
and then the middle thirds of these two intervals removed
         ___    ____         ____    ____
         0 1/9 2/9 1/3      2/3 7/9 8/9 1
and then the middle thirds of these four intervals removed and so on.
If we express the points in trinary (base 3), this process removes
all points with a 1 in their "trecimal" representation.

Of course, 1/3 = 0.1000...(3) but can also be expressed as
           1/3 = 0.0222...(3) and therefore has no 1's.

The trinary representation of left endpoints will be terminating
trecimals (actually, no decimal or trecimal is terminating, but ends
with an infinite string of 0's)

The trinary representation of right endpoints will be a trecimal
ending in an infinite string of 2's.

The points asked about in the question are those whose trinary
representation have no digit 1 *and* do not end in an infinite
string of 0's or 2's.

A good example is 1/4 = .0202020...(3),
a non-endpoint in the Cantor set.

Since the Cantor set consists of all trecimals with digits 0 and 2
exclusively, they look exactly like the binary "becimals" with 2's in
place of 1's. And, in fact, the mapping of the becimals into the
trecimals (changing the becimal 1's to trecimals 2's) shows there
are as many points in the Cantor set as there are becimals between
0 and 1. These becimals fill the interval entirely and are therefore
aleph-1. Therefore the Cantor set is aleph-1.

Under this mapping, the endpoints of segments in the Cantor set
correspond to terminating becimals and are a subset of the rationals,
and therefore aleph-0.

Therefore "most" points in the Cantor set are not endpoints.


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:45:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] cost of images

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Regina & Steve wrote:

> Thank you for all your replies, it was useful and interesting. I have
> finally picked up my printed full size picture and it is 50" x  40". Has
> anyone sold one of this size? If so, how much for the print itself excluding
> framing? (I would add on framing costs as a seperate item at cost)

I suggest $500 for the naked print.  I had a 40x40 print made and it cost
about $350, including the transparency.  It's wise to separate framing
from the image, as you did.  For that size of print, framing can easily
cost $500 itself.

> Also, does anyone
> charge a different amount for one that is personally signed? What type of
> pen/ink/pencil?

I don't usually sign the print, but will if asked.  I would use a Sharpie
of similar permanent marker to sign the print.  Usually, I just sign the
mat in soft pencil or a fine tip marker.

Kerry

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: RE: (fractint) Tim's request

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, AA wrote:
> The Cantor *set* (not dust)
> consists of the unit interval (the real numbers
> between 0 and 1)
> with the middle third removed
> and then the middle thirds of these two intervals removed
> and then the middle thirds of these four intervals removed and so on.

Yes, that was what I meant.  I appreciate the correction.

What's a Cantor dust?

> Therefore "most" points in the Cantor set are not endpoints.

I will have to think about this to understand it well.  Thank you!

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] cost of images

Kerry,

> > Also, does anyone
> > charge a different amount for one that is personally signed? What type of
> > pen/ink/pencil?
>
> I don't usually sign the print, but will if asked.  I would use a Sharpie
> of similar permanent marker to sign the print.  Usually, I just sign the
> mat in soft pencil or a fine tip marker.

I generally do this when I give away photographs.  A disadvantage
though, is that if the matte is damaged and replaced, the signature is
lost.


Ken...





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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:17:11 -0500
From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) High iteration zooms

<<>
> But frames suck anyway.

This is VERY true!!  I thought they were kind of "cool and neat" when
they were initially introduced, but have since learned my lesson (as
most commercial and professional websites now do)>>

  Frames are good if they're used correctly. The problem is, no one seems to
be able to use them correctly. (The concept of TARGET="_top" is not THAT
hard...)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:09:43 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTW par file

Hi All,

  I've just added a par file to my FOTW page:

    <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm>=


  Enjoy,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:32:38 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] cost of images

Regina & Steve wrote:
>
> Also, does anyone charge a different amount
> for one that is personally signed?

Normally, an extra charge is not done.  This is something that should be
graciously given, since they are puchasing your product.  Most artwork
has some form of signature already upon it.

>
> What other forms of unique identification
> does anyone use?

You could acquire a personal customized embosser, like some people use
for their private libraries (similar to a notary seal).

I use a custom electric branding iron that has my signature and company
name (but this is for my wood carvings and turnings).

If you are going to make several prints of a specific image, then you
might consider adding a number with the signature.  To make it more
"valuable" (relative term), just have so many that will ever be printed
and use the old "1 of 200" numbering method.

P.N.L.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:45:38 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTW par file

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> I've just added a par file to my FOTW page:
>    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm
>

Your last thumbnail is missing:
  http://members.aol.com/gallets/981006m.jpg

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:30:40 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Par file error


    Hi, anybody that can help!

    Two problems - (maybe one, that causes the other).

    First, I can't remember what key, or keys, I hit that made the screen
suddenly start generating(or revealing) a black and white image.  This
happened to me once before and somebody gave me the answer but it was so
long ago I can't remember what it was.  I have poured over the F1 help
screens, but can't find a solution in there.
    Second - I have been putting a lot of pars in my par files, I have about
200 in each of four, and guessed it was about time to start a new file.  So
I did and I can't seem to get it to work.  When I finally started out of
Fractint, on the black 'Thanks for using Fractint' screen I found the
following message:

"run-time error R6001
 -null pointer assignment- "

    I was very happy that they told me about the error, but I don't know what
it means.

    Can anybody help -with one or the other - or both of these problems?
    I'd be most grateful.

    Thanks                Ray


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:39:59 -0400
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.useit.com: Don't waste your time.

That makes no sense. I get

"Netscape cannot open the site www.useit.com. The site doesn't have a DNS
entry"... it's not that it exists but is down... if it has no DNS entry
then the name is misspelled or else it doesn't exist period.

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