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fractint-digest      Saturday, September 12 1998      Volume 01 : Number 297




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:30:53 -0400
From: Diosnel Herrnsdorf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Unzip download?

Ray Montgomery wrote:

> (snipped)
>         My guess: I used an evaluation copy of "WinZip".  I had already done one
> download using it, and I'm presuming that WinZip considers that one
> download a "fair" evaluation and will not let me unlock my download until I
> buy their product.  I'm willing to buy the product but I don't like my hand
> to be forced by an incomplete period of evaluation.
>         Can anybody judge whether this is true or not, and if not, how to get the
> download unlocked?  It's so frustrating to be so near and yet so far -
> "holding the banana just out of reach of the caged monkey."
>         Would appreciate, very much, someone's advice on this.
>         Incidentally, I'm using Win 95, lots of ram and lots of Hard Drive.  What
> I'm not using is a lot of know-how.

Ray:
I also use an evaluation copy of WinZip6.3. Up to this moment, I have done lots of
downloads and lots of unzipping with this tool, without problems. As far as I know,
you don't even need to buy it, although it's always advisable. (BTW, I'll recomend my
boss to buy it for the company).
I don't know what your real problem might be, but at least I can say that it's not
registration. Have you tried to unzip with the "wizard" mode?
Regards,
Diosnel


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:25:43 -0700
From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Can't Unzip

Downloadsd that take a lomg time are oftern contaminated. Winzip is not
crippled befor you buy it. I would try downloading it again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Dean-Christian
> Strik
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 1998 12:18 PM
> To: fractint
> Subject: Re: (fractint) Can't Unzip
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Dean-Christian Strik <[e-mail]>
> Aan: fractint <[e-mail]>
> Datum: vrijdag 11 september 1998 20:51
> Onderwerp: Re: (fractint) Can't Unzip
>
>
> Angela,
>
> >I downloaded via the three smaller files and that finally worked for me.
> After I
> >extracted all the files I realized just what an enormous task Damien
> completed!!!!!!
> >Once again....sincere thanks.  I hope for the next contest we
> can find a way
> to share
> >some of the labor so that one person isn't so burdened. Also, it
> occurred to
> me that
> >a mirror for downloading wouild have helped a good deal......I
> volunteer for
> next
> >time to host a mirror. Tiresome to get these bright ideas After the
> fact......more
> >lessons learned.
>
>
> That'd be an American mirror of an American site. Nothing wrong
> with that, on
> the contrary! But it would be very nice to have a European mirror as well.
> There are a lot of European members of the fractint and
> fractal-art lists. I
> can't mirror myself (I don't even have a European site - and no decent one
> anyway, still need to set up my xoom site). Are there any of us Euro's out
> there who can (and are willing too, of course)?
>
> Christian
>
>
> [I forwarded this -- set my 'from' address to my bigfoot address while I'm
> listed on my hetnet address]
>
>
>
>
>
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Date:
From: "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Some pars

Have a nice weekend !


H02                { ; Visions from Heck 02
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=miguel.frm formulaname=test01
  function=sin/sin
  center-mag=-6.22841/-0.924541/0.7329993/2/45.145/40.727
  colors=000JEE<26>x11z00z10<29>zx0zz0zz1<29>zzxzzzzzz<61>zV1zU0zU0zT0<28>\
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  }

W01                { ; Knock on Wood
                         ; Map from Jacco Burger
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=miguel.frm formulaname=test01
  function=cos/sin center-mag=-1.05144/0.453818/6.848275/0.2693
  colors=000XKD<26>lfc90AVSYdaiSQV`YdPNSXU_MKOSQVJHLOMRGFIKIMDCEGEHA9BBAC7\
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  E5SD4QB3RC4SD5<6>WJC
  }

Lava-River         {
  reset=1960 type=mandel passes=b
  center-mag=-0.59230101688367890/+0.61763551950712640/686062.7/4.4453/27.\
  151/43.081 params=0/0 float=y
  colors=000zV1<31>z10z00z00y00<30>c00b11a11`22_22<15>NAA000<23>000a88<14>\
  x11z00z10<29>zx0zz0zz1<29>zzxzzzzzz<60>zW2
  }


frm:test01{;
z=c=pixel,z2=z*z:
t=real(z)/imag(z)
z=fn1(z)+fn2(t)
|z|<4
}




Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:33:44 +0200
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) bigfoot+mailing list testing - please ignore (or not)

testin', testin', testin'...

>>
>>Dit is een testmailtje, aangezien ik nu als from-adres mijn bigfoot adres
heb en me op dat adres geresubscribed heb - This is a test mail, for
>>i now have my bigfoot address as the from-address and i resubscribed with
>>that address
>>
>>Christian




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:59:45 -0600
From: "Xylen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) I did it!!

Not only did I download all 40MB, I got them to unzip. I also spent nearly
16 hours over 3 days going through all the images. My votes were cast
yesterday. Today I rested. I can look forward to creating fractals again
without having to worry about the contest.  Don't get me wrong. I loved
being a part of it, from creation to voting. I'm just glad it's finally
over.  :)

Good luck everybody, and congratulations to everyone involved. :)

Xylen
I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality.


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:03:21 -0700
From: "ursine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Unzip download?

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Please describe what you mean when you say it is "locked"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 11:11 AM
Subject: (fractint) Unzip download?


>
> Good morning.
>
> Just came from the hospital where my wife is facing minor surgery for the
>third time in three months.  So, I am a little distracted.
> Last night, to keep myself occupied I took a couple of deep breaths,
>swallowed hard and made the decision to download the whole kit and kaboodle
>of the Contest98.  A huge - a monumentally huge - step for me.
> Thanks to Linda I knew right where to go - went there and, gulping down an
>imaginary shot of bourbon, started things rolling.  And all went well,
>(mostly thanks to Damien's masterful handling of the contest - and a hats
>off to Paul Lee also).
> I chose late night, since I figured the electronic systems would be less
>active than during the day.  Got it going at 12:30 AM, went to bed, checked
>it at 2:30, a little over half way I think, and again at 5:10 in the
morning.
>All done!
> Unzipping went well and installing, I installed it in
>c:\fractint\contes98\ (not sure about that last back-slash) - at least, I
>thought it was going well.
> BUT
> There's always a 'big but', isn't there?  Everything is locked.  I can't
>get to it.
> My guess: I used an evaluation copy of "WinZip".  I had already done one
>download using it, and I'm presuming that WinZip considers that one
>download a "fair" evaluation and will not let me unlock my download until I
>buy their product.  I'm willing to buy the product but I don't like my hand
>to be forced by an incomplete period of evaluation.
> Can anybody judge whether this is true or not, and if not, how to get the
>download unlocked?  It's so frustrating to be so near and yet so far -
>"holding the banana just out of reach of the caged monkey."
> Would appreciate, very much, someone's advice on this.
> Incidentally, I'm using Win 95, lots of ram and lots of Hard Drive.  What
>I'm not using is a lot of know-how.
>
> Thanks Ray
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:06:51 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Emboss

Hi Kerry,

The effect you have displayed is similar to what I used in
Deepzoom back in the days of DOS and 386 machines. The
program still survives at Spanky and at my site....
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Software.htm
There are deep zooms for which this method is the only way to
see what is going on. And there are not so deep zooms but points
close the MSet components which also need this method. I had a
special version which showed the light source coming from all
angles around the compass as you color cycle. A real WOW.

I have tried to reproduce the method in Fractint but have never
been happy with the results. Thanks for the formulas.

For those who are new to fractals, a little history.

Deepzoom came to life overnight almost 5 years ago
(10-19-93) after there was complaining on sci.fractals
and the FRACL email list that we had no extended precision
fractal programs to play with. Someone wrote they had
seen on for sail for $90 and someone else bragged they
made one in BASIC, zooming to 40 digit depths. But
a gloom was setting in over the list. What to do when
the digits run out...

I had coded the embossing method in Turbo Pascal a
few years earlier, along with a wide range of coordinate
transformations, and was learning C++. Now in C++,
the complex arithmetic class allows you to write formulas
just like you do for ordinary math. You don't have to
separate out real and imaginary parts. So the MSet
formula is just

z = z*z+c;

with the variables z and c defined as complex.

I had just discovered a complex class and was having great
fun with it studying Feigenbaum points. It was written by
two students in Europe (Kaufmann Friedrich & Mueller
Walter) which provided 72 digit math in the free shareware
version and many hundreds of digits in the registered
version. So, in about two hours I had a 72 digit version
up and going.

The next morning with great flare I posted its availability
(and it was FREE) to the lists. More than 200 asked for a
copy. It was the real kick Fractint needed to get extended
precision going.  You can see the Fractint equivalent
of one of my early Deepzooms here...
http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/params/JHILL.PAR
Of course, it looks much different in Deepzoom, because
it was 'embossed' in that program. The filaments show
up much better.

Funny story, the registration was $20, so I sent a check
off to the authors. I got an email in a few weeks thanking
me as the first to register from the USA! (And that 70% of
the $20 went to the banks for depositing, exchange and
other fees!!!!  So I sent them another $20 in cash (yes, a
green back)! We still chat by email once in a while.)

You can see this old program in action yourself, just download
it from ...
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Depzm13.zip

Now its graphics are about 3 or 4 hardware versions out of
date and will run better on an old 386 than a modern video
card. I think the 640x480x16 and 320x200x256 modes still
work.  You will find several versions of the program, each
with different sets of exact tests for points in low period (1-4)
components. This greatly speeds up plotting the MSet when
these components are in the image. I notice Kerry's formula
has periodicity checking disabled. That is often the case with
these special effects in Fractint. :-(  That is one reason why
I have posted my exact tests in the Dr. J series.  It seems they
are often useful.

Thanks again for the formulas.

Jay


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> From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) Emboss
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 12:40 AM
>
[...]
> comment { ; narrative copyright Kerry Mitchell 11sep98
>
> Embossing
>
> Notary Publics and other important folks use embossing as a way of
> marking official papers.  The embossing die puts a series of crimps
> onto the paper.  This doesn't change the color of the paper, but
[...]
> frm:emboss-iter_man { ; Kerry Mitchell 11sep98
>        ;
>        ; "embossing" coloring scheme based on iteration levels
>        ; Mandelbrot version
[...]


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re; contest web site

Leaving aside the main points of contention on which a meeting of minds is
unlikely, I'd like to address a couple of points (in separate messages):

Damien writes:

>... I must always question my objectivity.

I always question my own objectivity too. Fortunately that is not what I
intend to use to judge. I intend to use my subjectivity. I intend to be
totally egotistical and judge solely on what I think of an image without
any concern for any 'objective' measure of worth. I think that it comes
down to one's concept of art. Mine centres around the idea that art
reaches directly into the person and resonates with some element of
their personality. For this, subjectivity is what the viewer brings to
the table.  In fact, the only thing each of us can uniquely contribute is
our own subjectivity. By definition, objectivity is not connected with any
particular person and anyone can supply that.

This is one reason I think that the comments on images would be of more
value than raw votes, though having one of Sharon's very cool Frackies
(singular: Fracky -  is there an official name for them?) to display will
be very nice for the winners. It is like having a fruit salad. The total
number of pieces of fruit is much less interesting than the variety of
tastes of the fruits included in the salad.




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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:13:16 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Can't Unzip

Chris.....

True enough.....but in my own download frenzy I tried both my isp's.  One connects at
28.8 and the other at 56.6. There was almost no diff in the estimated download
time.....so I have to attribute that to a busy server.  My idea was to distribute the
load. A european server would be terrific.......I've certainly noticed that "clog"
across the Atlantic lines when I try to access european sites.  In the best of all
possible worlds we might have a primary site and a north american mirror (me) plus a
european mirror (tbd). Any takers out there in Europe?? Do I have to move to
Latvia?????  I'm Latvian at least by speach and parentage....but I don't think the
country is quite ready for a puter nut of my caliber.

Angela aka wizzle


Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
>

>
> That'd be an American mirror of an American site. Nothing wrong with that, on
> the contrary! But it would be very nice to have a European mirror as well.
> There are a lot of European members of the fractint and fractal-art lists. I
> can't mirror myself (I don't even have a European site - and no decent one
> anyway, still need to set up my xoom site). Are there any of us Euro's out
> there who can (and are willing too, of course)?
>
> Christian

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:20:52 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Unzip download?

Paul N. Lee wrote:
>
> Ray Montgomery wrote:
> >
> > (.... and a hats off to Paul Lee also).
>
> Thanks a bunch!!
>
> Keeping the Contest Data Base up to date wasn't too much of a hassle.
> And having to reply to those that either hadn't read the Rules or
> didn't follow them was not too bad either.  It was testing most of the
> parameters to make sure they were correct, and/or trying to create them
> based upon just the image or partial parameters that took some effort.

<<snipped>>
>
> All in all, it wasn't too bad and a lot of fun (until the last few days
> when everybody decided to submit images).  :-)

Hahahahhhahahaha......rofl....well....your pain and agony is much appreciated paul.
I was fascinated by the stats as they developed. Now I'm enjoying all the hard work
that went into the site per se. I'm also part of the "guess who submitted what"
crowd. Question.....do we have to submit our votes as a block or can we punt them in
category by category?  I have such a short memory span and paper for notes is hard to
find at chez wizzle. If I need to Really keep track I will go out and buy a new box
of crayons tomorrow.  Tonight I am busy with livestock issues......fruitflys in my
wine and racoons in my kitchen....both unwelcome.

Angela aka wizzle

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:14:03 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Zip locks

    Hi

    Thanks for the suggestions about my zipped but unattainable Contest files.
I have been able to get to them by punching a few other buttons and going
through a maze of side-doors and alleys - but, get to them I did.
    For the record I could not find the key to the locks.  The locks were as
follows.  On the icons, which were pictures of two-drawer filing cabinets
with a giant clamp holding the cabinets, one jaw on top and the other jaw
on the bottom with the tightenng screw assembly along the side.  The icons
with those clamps would do nothing, not open not quiver, nothing - except
sit there quietly and whimper.  So, I presumed, wrongly, (is it ever wise
to presume?) that WinZip had locked them - and indeed, I think they have,
but not for the scurrilous reason I attributed to them.
    But thanks for the suggestions.  I appreciate that.
                        Ray


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:08:47 -0700
From: "Kerry Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Emboss

Jay,

> For those who are new to fractals, a little history.

Yes, I remember those days.  I was using FORTRAN and a version of BASIC
to do my own numerical analyses.  For a bit of my own history, I
started working with fractals in 1985, when I was an aerospace engineer
at NASA Ames.  I wrote fortran programs to do the calculation, and
print the iteration counts to a text file.  Then, I would download
those files onto my Amiga 1000 for the rendering in basic.  I wrote my
own encoding programs like uuencode to convert the binary to ascii for
the transfer.  I was writing (extremely crude) fractal animations back
then, too.  I also used a version of BASIC called UBASIC to do some
serious study of the Mandelbrot set.  UBASIC, a freeware basic
interpreter, was written for number theory work, and can handle
something like 2600 digits.  Once, in a fit of anger, I wrote a fractal
program for the Commodore 64.  A salesperson told me that the C-64
couldn't handle the math, thus there were no fractal programs for it.
I sure proved him wrong!  My routine blazed along at the breakneck
speed of 1 pixel per week, give or take a month.  :-)

Progress is good.


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:48:17 -0700
From: "ursine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Zip locks

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all you are missing is an association for winzip.

if you can run winzip, click file, then open and browse to those two files.
you haven't unzipped them yet.
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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 10:12 PM
Subject: (fractint) Zip locks


>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the suggestions about my zipped but unattainable Contest files.
>I have been able to get to them by punching a few other buttons and going
>through a maze of side-doors and alleys - but, get to them I did.
> For the record I could not find the key to the locks.  The locks were as
>follows.  On the icons, which were pictures of two-drawer filing cabinets
>with a giant clamp holding the cabinets, one jaw on top and the other jaw
>on the bottom with the tightenng screw assembly along the side.  The icons
>with those clamps would do nothing, not open not quiver, nothing - except
>sit there quietly and whimper.  So, I presumed, wrongly, (is it ever wise
>to presume?) that WinZip had locked them - and indeed, I think they have,
>but not for the scurrilous reason I attributed to them.
> But thanks for the suggestions.  I appreciate that.
> Ray
>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:49:15 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Unzip download?

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> Paul N. Lee wrote:
> >
> > All in all, it wasn't too bad and a lot of fun
> > (until the last few days when everybody decided
> > to submit images).  :-)
>
> Hahahahhhahahaha......rofl....well....your pain and
> agony is much appreciated paul.

I figured this might amuse a few individuals.  ;-}

>
> Question.....do we have to submit our votes as a block
> or can we punt them in category by category?

Well, here were the Rules as established before images were being
submitted:

    13.  Voters should select one image in each category
         as the "best".  Please do not skip categories!
         If you submitted an image in that category, you
         may vote for it if you wish.

    16.  Votes will be sent via e-mail.  Each person will
         only be permitted to vote once.

And besides, if you do try to vote for less than all catagories, you
will receive the following message:

    Your vote was not accepted because you did not fill
    out all the required information.  You must select
    an image in each category, as well as provide your
    name and e-mail address.  Please check all items and
    submit your votes again.

Sorry, but that is the current state of affairs.  Better get that new
box of crayons.  (You will only need to write down 13 image numbers, so
if paper for notes is hard to find, find a blank spot on the wall.)  ;-}

P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:57:14 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Zip locks

Ray.....

Get it together!!!!  do you realize Klamath Falls is a mere day away from me and that
I just might decide to train up and rolf you into submission????? Ve vill haf lots of
fun...yes??

The thought of a visit from yours truly should effectivly irradicate any and all
concerns you have to date.  I vill bring my own computer....you vill provide power.

Love ya

Angela aka wizzle

Ray Montgomery wrote:
>
>         Hi
>
>         Thanks for the suggestions about my zipped but unattainable Contest files.
> I have been able to get to them by punching a few other buttons and going
> through a maze of side-doors and alleys - but, get to them I did.
>         For the record I could not find the key to the locks.  The locks were as
> follows.  On the icons, which were pictures of two-drawer filing cabinets
> with a giant clamp holding the cabinets, one jaw on top and the other jaw
> on the bottom with the tightenng screw assembly along the side.  The icons
> with those clamps would do nothing, not open not quiver, nothing - except
> sit there quietly and whimper.  So, I presumed, wrongly, (is it ever wise
> to presume?) that WinZip had locked them - and indeed, I think they have,
> but not for the scurrilous reason I attributed to them.
>         But thanks for the suggestions.  I appreciate that.
>                                                 Ray
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:26:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Robert Hailman)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
assume Fractint is. your best bet is to run XFractint... version 3.04 is
equivalent to Fractint 19.60. It will probably run better than DOS Fractint
ever could on Linux. The fractint home page on spanky.triumf.edu has it, but
I forget the exact URL. And remember, if you have any problems just send me
the computer, and monitor, and don't expect it back...

>I have been lucky enough to get a second computer, and I will be installing
>Linux on it next week. I was wondering if anybody knows whether fractint
>will run under Linux. According to the documentation I've read, Linux will
>run many DOS programs, so I may be all right.
>
>I'm really looking forward to seeing fractals on a 200mhz machine with a 3-d
>and a 17" monitor.  :)
>
>Xylen
>I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality.
>
- --
Robert Hailman
"Nothing in this life that I've been trying / could equal or surpass the Art
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