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fractint-digest      Tuesday, September 15 1998      Volume 01 : Number 298




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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:50:20 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Eye candy pars

I hope there is no problem with the below pars. I reduced the font size
after pasting into this message in order to preclude erroneous line
breaks.


Enjoy (to quote Linda Allison), or if not, send all flames to your local
tax collection agency or the office of the New Grand Inquisitor...  :)


==============================================================================


Juliacandy3        { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:01:19.15

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav64

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=007W45<<26>ojuplwplw<<28>U00000000000H0e<<28>xwyzzzzzz<<30>H0ec0V<<29>\

  vkvwmwwmw<<7>rapr_opXmpXm<<19>c0VEES<<29>kkummwmmw<<30>EESU00U11

  cyclerange=0/255

  }


Spiral-Juliacandy  { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:07:59.99

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav68

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1

  center-mag=-0.496579/0.0704042/13.33333

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=007W45<<26>ojuplwplw<<28>U00000000000H0e<<28>xwyzzzzzz<<30>H0ec0V<<29>\

  vkvwmwwmw<<7>rapr_opXmpXm<<19>c0VEES<<29>kkummwmmw<<30>EESU00U11

  cyclerange=0/255

  }


Lavender           { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:08:02.30

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav69

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1

  center-mag=-0.496579/0.0704042/13.33333

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=U0mU0m<<45>yxyzzzzzz<<45>_2dZ0cZ0c<<45>yxyzzzzzz<<29>MMxKKwLLw<<31>xxy\

  zzzzyz<<43>V2n cyclerange=0/255

  }

<smaller>

</smaller>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:54:05 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) pars

(I sent this originally to [e-mail] which will probably
bounce. I am resending it to [e-mail]...and hope
people do nort receive duplicates...)


I hope there is no problem with the below pars. I reduced the font size
after pasting into this message in order to preclude erroneous line
breaks.


Enjoy (to quote Linda Allison), or if not, send all flames to your local
tax collection agency or the office of the New Grand Inquisitor...  :)


==============================================================================


Juliacandy3        { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:01:19.15

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav64

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=007W45<<26>ojuplwplw<<28>U00000000000H0e<<28>xwyzzzzzz<<30>H0ec0V<<29>\

  vkvwmwwmw<<7>rapr_opXmpXm<<19>c0VEES<<29>kkummwmmw<<30>EESU00U11

  cyclerange=0/255

  }


Spiral-Juliacandy  { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:07:59.99

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav68

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1

  center-mag=-0.496579/0.0704042/13.33333

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=007W45<<26>ojuplwplw<<28>U00000000000H0e<<28>xwyzzzzzz<<30>H0ec0V<<29>\

  vkvwmwwmw<<7>rapr_opXmpXm<<19>c0VEES<<29>kkummwmmw<<30>EESU00U11

  cyclerange=0/255

  }


Lavender           { ;  (c) David Shanholtzer Sep 12, 1998 t=0:08:02.30

                     ;  P200 MMX 1024x768

                     ; From Kerry Mitchell's bubbleboth-jul

                     ; color map: Dav69

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm

  formulaname=bubbleboth_jul passes=1

  center-mag=-0.496579/0.0704042/13.33333

  params=-0.755/0.15/2500/0.14/0.6/0.6 float=y maxiter=1750

  inside=zmag outside=atan decomp=256 periodicity=0


colors=U0mU0m<<45>yxyzzzzzz<<45>_2dZ0cZ0c<<45>yxyzzzzzz<<29>MMxKKwLLw<<31>xxy\

  zzzzyz<<43>V2n cyclerange=0/255

  }

<smaller>

</smaller>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:02:07 -0600
From: "Xylen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

Robert Hailman wrote:
|Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
|assume Fractint is. your best bet is to run XFractint... version 3.04 is
|equivalent to Fractint 19.60.

Thanks, I was wondering if it was equivalent. I really like Fractint, and
didn't want to lose performance because of the switch.

|It will probably run better than DOS Fractint
|ever could on Linux. The fractint home page on spanky.triumf.edu
|has it, but
|I forget the exact URL.

Don't worry, I have spanky's page bookmark. I'll find it.  :)

|And remember, if you have any problems just send me
|the computer, and monitor, and don't expect it back...

Aw gee, that is such a nice offer.  :)


Xylen
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:27:29 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) How can there be enough thanks?

    Hi to all who can read.

    This is a thank you letter to Damien, Paul and Kerry.

    The undertaking was enormous, almost an impossible task.  Where there are
two people there will always, eventually, be two opinions and where there
are close to two hundred people..........!!!!  Yet, in spite of these odds
you were able to bring together in one compact, well-run, easy to use and
easy to understand and easy to be a part of, fun, fascinating and absorbing
contest.  This was a feat that I believed could not be done.  Have a
contest, yes, but one that was as well done?  My heartiest congratulations.
    Think of it.  (I'll use the figure 200 for ease of use.)  Think of it.
200 people, each submitting 3 images and each submitting at least one and
some three and four more questions and opinions and disagreements and in
twelve different categories, plus a voting sheet that must go out to all
and then received back and tabulated  -  My God!  It Just Can't Be Done!!
And, yet, you did it.  What impresses me more than anything, is that the
end result was perfect.  Flawless!  (Little glitches don't count.)
    And, it must be remembered that on top of the contest, you gentlemen had
to maintain your own affairs - and, depending on the time of year - that
could be mountainous.  How much was postponed?  Yeah, I bet.  No trouble,
eh?  Yeah, I bet!  I hate to think of how much more there is to do, and
then you must catch up with your own lives.
    I, personally, could not say thank you enough without running over the
prescribed message-quantity limitations of this list.  I'm glad I finally
joined in instead of hanging back and becoming just an onlooker.  I'm
really glad that, good, bad or indifferent, I was a part of it.
    Sharon should have made special awards for you guys.

Thanks again.
                            Ray


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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:39:45 +0200
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

Xylen wrote:
>Robert Hailman wrote:
>|Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
>|assume Fractint is. your best bet is to run XFractint... version 3.04 is
>|equivalent to Fractint 19.60.


I personally prefer to use fractint via dosemu over xfractint. Okay,
color-cycling doesn't work properly then. But it's much better than two
windows that never fit both on my screen and keyboard commands that don't work
in the plot window.

Like some already said, a SVGALib version would be great!

Christian




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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:50:33 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) How can there be enough thanks?

At 03:27 PM 9/12/1998 -0700, Ray wrote:

(snipped)

>    Sharon should have made special awards for you guys.

Now _that's_ an idea!!!!!!!!  I fully agree.

What say you Sharon?



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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Robert Hailman)
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

<snip>

>|And remember, if you have any problems just send me
>|the computer, and monitor, and don't expect it back...
>
>Aw gee, that is such a nice offer.  :)
>

You're welcome.

>
>Xylen
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Robert Hailman)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

>Xylen wrote:
>>Robert Hailman wrote:
>>|Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
>>|assume Fractint is. your best bet is to run XFractint... version 3.04 is
>>|equivalent to Fractint 19.60.
>
>
>I personally prefer to use fractint via dosemu over xfractint. Okay,
>color-cycling doesn't work properly then. But it's much better than two
>windows that never fit both on my screen and keyboard commands that don't work
>in the plot window.
>

the keyboard commands DO work in the plot window, they just lag a bit.

>Like some already said, a SVGALib version would be great!
>

yes it would.

>Christian
>
>
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of Dying"
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:14:38 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) catching up

Recently finished wading through a week's worth of fractal
e-mail...

============================

At 09:57 PM 9/6/98 EDT, JimBeau549 wrote
Re: (fractint) Gallet-6-08 par (9/6/98)
>  Bud,
>
>      Satin is right!  Very nice indeed. :)
>
> Take care~
>
>Jim

Thanks Jim!

============================

About the contest:

What can I say that hasn't already been said?  Hats off to Damien,
Paul, and Kerry.  Add me to the list of those who really appreciate
your efforts and the final product.  I received the following note from
a seeker (or maybe just a critic) in response to an advert on my
web site:

>Subject: fractal art for sale
>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:44:33 -0700
>
>Yes, I would buy good fractal art. Why isn't there any on the Web?

I plan to send him a note directing him to the contest web site.
If the best efforts of 101 artists fails to impress, there's no hope for
him. ;-)

============================

About the controversy:

Yes, I like the anonymous aspect.  I think it adds another layer of
texture to the contest, in fact I think a "guess the artist" contest
*for voters* should be a subset of the next competition!  But I also
don't have a problem with compromises such as a short voting
extension or a few folks displaying their works during the extension.
Is there a reasonable compromise, such as a one week (rather than
two) extension, that would satisfy all concerned?

============================


Aloha, Bud

- ----------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:44:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Robert Hailman wrote:
> Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
> assume Fractint is.

Fractint runs reasonably well in dosemu.  (BTW, I think I found out
what my problem with ignored keystrokes was.  I was using Alt-Tab to
switch windows, which meant dosemu saw the Alt go down, but never saw
it come back up.)

dosemu supports DPMI.

> your best bet is to run XFractint...

Dunno.  I like Fractint's interface better, but I haven't tried
xfractint in a long time.

Kragen

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:53:42 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on Linux?

FYI, Fractint *can* use Expanded or Extended memory, but
it is not a protected mode application ... Plain old real
mode DOS.

On 13 Sep 98 at 17:44, Kragen wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Robert Hailman wrote:
> > Linux will run DOS programs, but not protected mode applications like I
> > assume Fractint is.
>
> Fractint runs reasonably well in dosemu.  (BTW, I think
> I found out what my problem with ignored keystrokes was.
>  I was using Alt-Tab to switch windows, which meant
> dosemu saw the Alt go down, but never saw it come back
> up.)

Another blast of bits from David
Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/
Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Windows Makemap.exe

Hi,

I was trying to run makemap.exe on a Win 95 system.  I get an error
message (forget the number).  I have the needed bwcc.dll.  Anyone have
any luck using this program on Win 95.

It didn't seem to matter if I ran it in 256 color mode, or a true color
mode.

I am able to run it on Win NT.


Thanks,



Ken...




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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:01:50 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows Makemap.exe

Ken Childress wrote:
>
> I was trying to run makemap.exe on a Win 95 system.
> I get an error message (forget the number).  I have
> the needed bwcc.dll.  Anyone have any luck using
> this program on Win 95.
>

I would say the majority of the users have this installed on a Windows
95 operating system (at various levels of upgrade).  And they probably
use it with every knid of reolution and color mode.

I suggest re-installation, or re-download then install again.

P.N.L.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:02:20 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] catching up

Bud,

 - Is there a reasonable compromise, such as a one week (rather than
 - two) extension, that would satisfy all concerned?

I expect to decide on this, one way or another, today.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows Makemap.exe

>
> Ken Childress wrote:
> >
> > I was trying to run makemap.exe on a Win 95 system.
> > I get an error message (forget the number).  I have
> > the needed bwcc.dll.  Anyone have any luck using
> > this program on Win 95.
> >
>
> I would say the majority of the users have this installed on a Windows
> 95 operating system (at various levels of upgrade).  And they probably
> use it with every knid of reolution and color mode.
>
> I suggest re-installation, or re-download then install again.

I'll try a redownload.  There is no installation, just unzip and use.  I
thought I had it working at one point, but that might have been prior to
my hard disk problems, and subsequent rebuild of my system.



Ken...




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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:36:41 +1000
From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] catching up

Dear all,
The extension doesn't bother me, I was just expressing my views on
"competition" and the rules I've had to adhere to in the past for other
competitions. By changing the rules you are changing the competition which
I've never seen done before. Usually the ones most effected by this are the
ones who don't say anything for fear of being "labeled".

Also, I feel as if I've only read half the story, has this been an ongoing
discussion in another list, if so, which one?

good luck to all,
regina


>Bud,
>
> - Is there a reasonable compromise, such as a one week (rather than
> - two) extension, that would satisfy all concerned?
>
>I expect to decide on this, one way or another, today.
>
>Damien M. Jones   \\
>[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
>                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/




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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:30:03 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Fields Medal

>>  The Aug. 22, 1998 issue of Science News mentions that Curtis T. McMullen,
>>40, of Harvard University has won the Fields Medal, the most prestigious
>>award in Mathematics for investigating the Mandelbrot Set.  His research
>>provided a precise characterization of the set's convoluted boundary.
>>
>>  Does anyone here know more about this?
>>
>>Lee Skinner
>
>No, but he seems to have a lot of mentions at the Harvard website.
>http://www.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/papers.html has a list of his papers.
>"The Mandelbrot set is universal" sounds like the answer, but it's in
>formats I can't read (gunzipped postscript and dvi).
>
>Joe

Having now read the paper I referenced, thanks to the assistance of the
good people on the list and a more recent copy of acrobat reader, it
does *not* seem to be about Lee's original topic "a precise
characterization of the set's convoluted boundary."  So, Lee or anyone,
does anyone here know more about this in particular?

>thanks - Joe

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:43:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Contest - 2nd, 3rd place recognition?

Hi Fractalers!

Like other members of this list, I have been eagerly viewing the images at the
Contest website and feel compelled to express my belated thanks to the
organizers.   My hat goes off to Damien and Kerry and Paul!   We all talked
about having a contest, but you stepped forward and made it happen.

Though this is late in the game, I feel that some recognition could be given
to those artists in each category whose entries will just miss being winners.
With the large number of entries submitted, many of these second and third
place images will nonetheless be fractals of great beauty and aesthetic
quality.  Will the complete vote tallies for each category be posted at the
contest site after Sept.19 so that the world will know who these artists are?


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:33:43 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractint;-Non-Fractint


    Sharon wrote:

    "...And why Best Fractint and Best Non-Fractint?...."

    If you were having a best 'ART' contest, you would have to have
categories, i.e., Oil, Watercolors, Pastel, Pen and Ink, Charcoal, Pencil,
etc. etc.  It is the old saw comparing Apples and Oranges.  You could not,
in all fairness, compare a colored piece of work, an oil painting for
example, to a bronze sculpture and have it make any sense except in the
narrowest sense of personal preference.

     As for the writing contest, it is not best Microsoft vs.
Non-Microsoft, that is not what is being compared.  Unless, of course, you
are judging the comparative merits of two or more fractal generating
programs.  You are comparing the artistic merits of the finished products.
However, each program has some advantages, and some disadvantages.  You can
do A, B, and X with program 1, and X, A, B and L with the second and on and
on to as many generating programs as there are.
    "Well, my image would have been just as pretty as yours if I had 27,000
colors to work with, the way you had, or if I had been able to zoom in
4,000,000 times the way you did...."
    I thought it was a wise thing to do, myself, having that division.  I
learned so much about the differences in programs, - and also, in
post-processing, just from this contest alone.  And, I do think that, as a
few people have said, the essence of the contest is the learning process,
and as the contest stands, I REALLY learned a lot.
    The rest of the category discussions matter considerably less to me.  They
seem more of an incentive and provocative stimulation than anything else.
They can be more or less, to the group's taste.  But, even they provoked a
more intense and selective way of looking at the images - so, though less,
they too provided an increased learning process.
    Just some thoughts stimulated by Sharon's letter.  Thanks Sharon.

                        Ray


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:57:29 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest Voting Deadline

Greetings folks,

I have observed the debate concerning the contest voting deadline,
originally set for this Saturday night.  I have also received numerous
private comments; I did not reply directly to all of them, but they *were*
read.  As a result, I have decided the following:

 1. The voting deadline will be extended to 10PM PDT, September 27, 1998.
    Note that this is now a Sunday night, not a Saturday night.
 2. The implication in the rules has always been that artist names would not
    be revealed until *judging* was finished, not just the submissions period.
    Thus, I request that artists refrain from posting any images on their
    personal web sites, or to a newsgroup.  If you have a prior commitment
    that conflicts with the extended voting deadline, please send me private
    e-mail and we'll talk about it.

One of the biggest reasons (but certainly not the only reason) for
extending the deadline is that the FractInt PAR kit is not yet available,
and the difficulties people have had with the size of the contest.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:00:40 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) "Newbie"

    To Those Who Would Make the Newbie a Second Class Citizen

    All my life I have resented the "In" group.  The "Elitist" group.  Those
who have 'elected' themselves 'superior'.  Sooner or later you will find
someone who is 'superior' to you.

    If you are really saying that the Newbie will be intimidated I express my
personal opinion that that is not so.  I was not going to join the contest
because I did not know how to manipulate all the processes that were
necessary to join, not because I thought my offerings might be inferior.  I
KNEW they would be inferior, but if I am to learn, and learn well, than I
take my lumps.  I'm not a masochist, I wouldn't like to see myself at the
bottom of the list, but if I know that's where I belong, I know that I must
learn more and learn to do better.
    I am so happy, now, that I was finally able to enter, thanks to Linda and
Damien, because I had a stake in it, I was a PART of it, not an outside
looking on, as I might and could have been.  I was not in it as a "Newbie",
I was just 'in it',  I was a part of it.
    If you are saying that you just can't be bothered having so many 'poor
quality' images entered, then I say "Fie on't."  I don't really think that
anybody thinks that, but it comes dangerously close to creating 'another'
schism, an 'elitist' group and 'all the rest' or the 'second-class' group.
    Will we have a happy, integrated group or a divided group?
    Everybody on the list is, to some extent or another, still learning.  It
unifies the group.  This is a new medium - still growing.  Let's not split
it right at the start.
                        Ray


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:45:25 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) "Newbie"

I apologize to Ray, and anyone else who thought I might be saying their
fractals aren't "good enough" to achieve some nebulous standard.  That
was never my intention.  It was my intention to encourage others who
think their own fractals aren't good enough.  Obviously, I blew that!

Ray wrote:
> If you are saying that you just can't be bothered having so many 'poor
>quality' images entered, then I say "Fie on't."

Never!  Not is a million years!  That was never my intention!
Linda



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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:10:19 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Some pars

Here are some fractals I made in the last few weeks.  The first few use some
frm called manintheozone which I found in Les' frm collection (thanks Les!).
It gave me some cool images, although I don't know who wrote it.  The others
are from a Jim Muth formula(that I'm still having a lot of fun playing with,
thank you Jim).

The colormaps are mine.  Chimes is the same image as Life, with different
colors, just as burst2 is a recolor of burst.  For those I left only the
color parameters since the images are both slow loading.  Enjoy! (feedback
is welcome)

- -RJ

Life             { ; Life Support
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=manintheozone passes=t
  center-mag=-0.09100756948571243/+0.50025432965517690/3.106478e+007
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=257 inside=0 outside=real periodicity=0
  colors=zzzzp9znBzlDzjF<13>cata`wa`w<29>xwxywxzxxzxxzww<29>zddyddwce<23>O\
  Mx<8>kkynnzrrzvvzzzz<16>iiihhheee<6>KKKO70<38>zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<42>zs6zt5z\
  u4zv4zw3<3>zy1zz0zx2<2>zr7
  }

Chimes            { ; Chimes of Freedom
  colors=000<150>000<8>zU0<4>zz0<3>zP0<12>000<67>533644855000000000
  }

burst              {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=mandel~1.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4
  center-mag=-2.62517699920045600/+0.06130921245640156/18616.01
  params=2.8/0.00767/-1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1000
  colors=000mlw<15>zxxzxxzww<29>zddyddwce<25>KKz<10>zzz<16>iiihhheee<6>KKK\
  <36>wJ0xJ0yK0zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<43>zt5zu4zv4zw3zw3<3>zz0<6>zlDzjFyjI<12>cat\
  a`wa`w<14>mkw
  }

burst2             {
  colors=000000<11>UmU<18>000<21>mcU<15>332000000<41>000<8>zU0<4>zz0<3>zzz\
  <7>zzU<4>000504<17>000<10>hlz<7>S07<4>zz0<20>000<45>000
  }

4ends              {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=mandel~1.frm
  formulaname=mandelbrotmix4
  center-mag=-2.62523198910519300/+0.06134983302759715/1403722
  params=2.8/0.00767/-1.3/1 float=y maxiter=450
  colors=000jjz<3>zzz<16>iiihhheee<6>KKK<36>wJ0xJ0yK0zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<42>zs\
  6zt5zu4zv4zw3<3>zy1zz0zx2<5>zlDzjFyjI<12>cata`wa`w<12>kjwljwmkwmlwnmwonw\
  <11>xwxywxzxxzxxzww<29>zddyddwce<25>KKz<5>ffz
  }

MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
c=pixel, a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j:z=(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c,|z| <= 100}



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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:24:55 +0200
From: "Hans Bomers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) "Newbie"

Hi atists and voters,

Concerning the contest:
Reading all these messages about 'elitists' and 'newbies' I think the
contest itself should decide who is the best 'fractal-image maker'. If
people are going to decide that there should be different cathegories for
different skills, I wonder what the contest could prove. Maybe like "I knew
I couldn't do it." or "Aha, so now I'm an elitist!"
So is think we shouldn't judge our or other people's skills *before* the
contest.
I think that's also the main idea of Ray's message, so I agree with him.

Greets to all and good luck to voters and artists,

cubic

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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: dinsdag 15 september 1998 21:04
Subject: (fractint) "Newbie"


>
> To Those Who Would Make the Newbie a Second Class Citizen
>
> All my life I have resented the "In" group.  The "Elitist" group.  Those
>who have 'elected' themselves 'superior'.  Sooner or later you will find
>someone who is 'superior' to you.
>
> If you are really saying that the Newbie will be intimidated I express my
>personal opinion that that is not so.  I was not going to join the contest
>because I did not know how to manipulate all the processes that were
>necessary to join, not because I thought my offerings might be inferior.  I
>KNEW they would be inferior, but if I am to learn, and learn well, than I
>take my lumps.  I'm not a masochist, I wouldn't like to see myself at the
>bottom of the list, but if I know that's where I belong, I know that I must
>learn more and learn to do better.
> I am so happy, now, that I was finally able to enter, thanks to Linda and
>Damien, because I had a stake in it, I was a PART of it, not an outside
>looking on, as I might and could have been.  I was not in it as a "Newbie",
>I was just 'in it',  I was a part of it.
> If you are saying that you just can't be bothered having so many 'poor
>quality' images entered, then I say "Fie on't."  I don't really think that
>anybody thinks that, but it comes dangerously close to creating 'another'
>schism, an 'elitist' group and 'all the rest' or the 'second-class' group.
> Will we have a happy, integrated group or a divided group?
> Everybody on the list is, to some extent or another, still learning.  It
>unifies the group.  This is a new medium - still growing.  Let's not split
>it right at the start.
> Ray


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