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fractint-digest      Thursday, September 10 1998      Volume 01 : Number 295




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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:45:34 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My First Pars

Ken Childress wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I thought that I would send out my first try at some visually pleasing
> pars.  Most of them are just explorations into existing formulas, but I
> did try my hand at "bastardizing" a formula, with interesting (I think
> anyway) results.  I tried to leave in credit in the comments for
> formulas, maps, pars, etc. that I started from, but having played with
> so many I easily got confused with what was my starting point.  Please
> let me know if anyone didn't get credit they should have.
>
> Comments or suggestions, good or bad, are solicited and appreciated.


Ken...

Nice job!!  I think you did very well and you definetly produced some interesting
images.  I liked the Ace of Spades, particularly. Green Tornado was missing its
colors, so you might want to re-post that.

I took a cut at re-coloring your "Bug Mandelbrot" ........I thought you selected a
very good map for it, BTW.....it requires a limited pallet.  My two examples limit
the pallet even more and the lottablk.map brings out some lacey features that could
be worth a zoom.  I thought you might like to play with that map because its great at
exposing interesting structure in an image.  You can always replace the colors if you
want something more jazzy.

Bug_Manrev1        { ; A Wilczynski Sep 09, 1998 t=  0:01:49.25 on 266 PII
                     ; Formula by Paul Carlson
                     ; d-wine1.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=newt5_atan_mset passes=t
  center-mag=+0.00005392104347752/-0.32045096784013330/200.8814
  params=0.01/0 float=y maxiter=2048 outside=summ
  colors=eac803B05<10>M09N09O09P09R0A<21>wAO<15>Q0DO0DN0D<6>C0AA09807<2>20\
  1000000<3>000000111112<2>335000436<21>JGSKHTKHS<8>ECJDBHCAGBAFB9EA8D657<\
  5>221110000000<3>000000102305509<25>fowhrygqx<25>72B509304000<2>00000012\
  2<18>SpvUsyTqv<16>233000000<4>00000020040160298C<3>668
  cyclerange=1/250
  }

Bug_Manrev2        { ; A Wilczynski Sep 09, 1998 t=  0:01:49.25 on 266 PII
                     ; Formula by Paul Carlson
                     ; lottablk.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=newt5_atan_mset passes=t
  center-mag=+0.00005392104347752/-0.32045096784013330/200.8814
  params=0.01/0 float=y maxiter=2048 outside=summ
  colors=000nnwppyssyqqy<2>kktiirffo<4>XXeUUTTTS<2>LLK<2>SSRUUTVVU<5>ggfjj\
  ikkj<2>ssr<10>XXWUUTTTS<2>LLK<2>SSRUUTVVU<5>ggfjjikkj<2>ssr<15>000<116>0\
  00<2>CCHGGNLLUNNWPPYSS`TTa<3>aajddmeenggpjjnllunnwqqyssyqqyooxllu<2>ggpe\
  enbbk<2>XXeUUbTTa<2>LLU<2>SS`UUbVVc<5>ggpjjskkt000<3>000
  cyclerange=1/250
  }

Ciao

Angela aka wizzle

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:50:54 EDT
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Subject: (fractint) test - please ignore

testing -

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My First Pars

>
>
> Ken...
>
> Nice job!!  I think you did very well and you definetly produced
>some interesting images.  I liked the Ace of Spades, particularly.
>Green Tornado was missing its colors, so you might want to re-post
>that.

Thanks.  I liked the Ace of Spades, too.  :-)

The map for Green Tornado is the greens.map that is distributed with
Fractint.  I'll try to resave the par with the colors included.

> I took a cut at re-coloring your "Bug Mandelbrot" ........I thought
>you selected a very good map for it, BTW.....it requires a limited
>pallet.  My two examples limit the pallet even more and the
>lottablk.map brings out some lacey features that could be worth a
>zoom.  I thought you might like to play with that map because its
>great at exposing interesting structure in an image.  You can always
>replace the colors if you want something more jazzy.

Actually, I think I used the map that was distributed with the pars that
I used as a starting point.  Your choices are very interesting.  I'm
still getting a feel for how various maps translate to images, so I
haven't taken much of a stab at custom modifications yet.

Thanks for the input.


Ken...





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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:05:46 -0500
From: DeBow Freed II PhD <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) SUPERB PRESENTATION OF CONTEST SUBMISSIONS

As an observer rather than Participant in this year's Contest, I think
it's appropriate to say (without being accused of sucking up):
    Congrats to Damien for doing such an elegant job of presenting the
Contest submissions for viewing and voting. Lots of time and energy
involved, no doubt, and it shows. Thanks!

DeBow Freed PhD


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:16:27 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:  Awards?

Hi, Ray!

Go to http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/ and follow the link to
"contest awards."

Linda


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:18:57 +0200
From: "Kim Bach Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sv: (fractint) Gaps & Rings

Hi Kerry!

I really liked you gaps'n'rings formulas... Wow!
They make me wish I could do things like that, but that will
have to wait quite a while since I'd better stick to preparing
lectures...

Bye, Kim :-)



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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:21:48 EDT
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Gaps & Rings

- - I posted this before, but I don't think it got through - sorry if this is a
duplicate.

Kerry -

I love these 'gap and ring' colouring methods!  I had a play with them and I
did a modified version - the formula choses a different range of colours
depending on the iteration number at bailout - even and odd are split up to
two colour ranges on the map.
I've done this for two of the formulas, and the two pars that went with them
(changing the colours as well) and the results are quite good - find them
below.

Luke

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Fractal gallery, 'z squared plus c':
http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/

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crown2             { ; modified Kerry Mitchell image
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=km.frm formulaname=ring_man-alt
  passes=3 center-mag=-0.92/0/1.2/1/-90 params=-0.75/0/0.475/0.525
  float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  colors=000<30>x00z00z11<30>wwz<30>uHOtFMsFM<30>000<30>tUxvVzvWz<29>yyzzz\
  zzyz<25>mXzlVzkVy<33>100 cyclerange=0/255
  }

ring-toss2         { ; modified Kerry Mitchell image
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=km.frm formulaname=ringc_jul-alt
  passes=3 center-mag=0/0/0.9636448/1/20
  params=-0.044662513058/0.64384933724/0.362/0.412 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  colors=000<30>xaOzcPzcQ<29>xvuwwwwwv<29>ydRzcPybP<29>221000011<29>0Vu0Ww\
  1Ww<30>zzx<30>2Xx0Ww0Vv<29>500 cyclerange=0/255
  }

ring_man-alt { ; modified Kerry MItchell formula
        ;
        ; bails out when orbit falls in the ring between
        ; 2 concentric circles
        ; p1 = center of circles
        ; real(p2) = radius of inner circle, as a factor or cabs(c)
        ; imag(p2) = radius of outer circle, as a factor of cabs(c)
        ; bailout = 1000, use decomp=256
        ;

      ; modification - alternate between two colour ranges
      ; every iteration - by Luke Plant, 9 Sep 98

        zc=0, c=pixel, bailout=1e3, iter=1, done=0
        center=p1, r1=real(p2), r2=imag(p2), fac=pi/(r2-r1):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, r=cabs(zc-center)
        if((r>=r1)&&(r<=r2))
          done=1
          t=(r-r1)*fac
          IF  (trunc(iter/2) == (iter/2))
            t=t+pi
          ENDIF
          z=cos(t)+flip(sin(t))
          endif
        if((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          done=1
          z=1
          endif
        done==0
        }

ringc_jul-alt { ; Kerry MItchell 07sep98
        ;
        ; bails out when orbit falls in the ring between
        ; 2 concentric circles.  center = c.
        ; p1 = c = Julia parameter
        ; real(p2) = radius of inner circle, as a factor or cabs(c)
        ; imag(p2) = radius of outer circle, as a factor of cabs(c)
        ; bailout = 1000, use decomp=256

      ; modification - alternate between two colour ranges
      ; every iteration - by Luke Plant, 9 Sep 98

        c=p1, zc=pixel, bailout=1e3, iter=1, done=0
        center=c, r1=real(p2)*cabs(c), r2=imag(p2)*cabs(c)
        fac=pi/(r2-r1):
        iter=iter+1, zc=sqr(zc)+c, r=cabs(zc-center)
        if((r>=r1)&&(r<=r2))
          done=1
          t=(r-r1)*fac
          IF (trunc(iter/2)==(iter/2))
            t=t+pi
          ENDIF
          z=cos(t)+flip(sin(t))
          endif
        if((|zc|>bailout)||(iter==maxit))
          done=1
          z=1
          endif
        done==0
        }



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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:39:31 +0200
From: "Kim Bach Petersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sv: (fractint) Gaps & Rings

>More fun with lines and circles.  These methods monitor the orbit
>of the standard Mandelbrot and Julia calculations and bail out if
>the orbit falls between two curves.


Wow, I really liked these! Especially the julia-rings-thing - I find it
really fascinating, there's a lot of potential in that formula.
Your formulas make me wish I had the time to do formulas myself,
but at the moment I'd better stick to preparing lectures on the
philosophy of science...

Keep up the good work, Kim :-)



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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:00 -0700
From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Need Fractint instruction

OK... I've been going through the tutorials that I find and now I can
copy and paste the pars and formulas posted here and admire everyone's
discoveries.  Now....  I'd like to learn how to create my own par file.
I've attempted to do a sort of copy and paste and then adding any extra
parameters but I ended up with a very different image when I use this
method.  Can anyone refer me to any tutorials I may have missed on how
to create a new par file?

Thanks for all the patient guidance,
Judy

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need Fractint instruction

Judy,

>
> OK... I've been going through the tutorials that I find and now I can
> copy and paste the pars and formulas posted here and admire everyone's
> discoveries.  Now....  I'd like to learn how to create my own par file.
> I've attempted to do a sort of copy and paste and then adding any extra
> parameters but I ended up with a very different image when I use this
> method.  Can anyone refer me to any tutorials I may have missed on how
> to create a new par file?

All a par file is is saved parameters.  You save the parameters for a
current fractal with the <b> command.

What I've been doing to explore new ideas, etc. is take an image that
looks interesting as a starting point.  I use partobat to create
thumbnail images of all the pars that I've downloaded from the list and
web sites.

I'll often reset the image zoom to its default settings.  Then start to
explore different zooms from that point.  And/or, I'll modify the
forumla parameters to see what happens to the image.  If I then find
something that looks interesting, I'll save the parameter settings at
that point into my par file.

For me at this point, it is mostly an exercise in experimentation.


Hope that helps some.


Ken...



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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:47:25 -0700
From: "Lee Newsted" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Judy,
Go to DOS and then your Fractint Directory. Then type makedoc.
This will create a WORD document which is THE tutorial on Fractint.
It's very helpful.
nuke.


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Lee Newsted wrote:
> Go to DOS and then your Fractint Directory. Then type makedoc.
> This will create a WORD document which is THE tutorial on Fractint.
> It's very helpful.

Yes, it's great.  But it's an ASCII text file, not a Word document.
The .doc extension was in use for ASCII text files since at least 1980,
and probably much longer than that, before Microsoft appropriated it
for Word.

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:00:47 -0700
From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need Fractint instruction

Hi Ken,

> All a par file is is saved parameters.  You save the parameters for a
> current fractal with the <b> command.

As usual I try to make things more difficult than they are.  I saw the
"b" to save parameters but I didn't see any parameters that I wanted to
save so I dismissed it.

> What I've been doing to explore new ideas, etc. is take an image that
> looks interesting as a starting point.  I use partobat to create
> thumbnail images of all the pars that I've downloaded from the list  > and web sites.

You've read my mind here.  I've had a growing concern about how to
organize these pars/formulas so that I can find them again.  I like your
idea of the thumbnails but I've not heard of "partobat".  I'll do a web
search for more info.

> I'll often reset the image zoom to its default settings.  Then start to
> explore different zooms from that point.  And/or, I'll modify the
> forumla parameters to see what happens to the image.  If I then find
> something that looks interesting, I'll save the parameter settings at
> that point into my par file.

This is very helpful!
Thanks for taking the time to share these tips.

Judy

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Need Fractint instruction

Judy,

> > What I've been doing to explore new ideas, etc. is take an image that
> > looks interesting as a starting point.  I use partobat to create
> > thumbnail images of all the pars that I've downloaded from the list  > and web sites.
>
> You've read my mind here.  I've had a growing concern about how to
> organize these pars/formulas so that I can find them again.  I like your
> idea of the thumbnails but I've not heard of "partobat".  I'll do a web
> search for more info.

I've resorted to using the orgform for organizing formulas.  I don't
think it's the ideal solution, but it's about the best that can be done
with the current state of Fractint.  Organizing pars has a little more
flexibility.

From Janet Preslar's Resource List:

    Partobat utility (version 3.4 for slower machines) (Michael Peters)
       http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/IBMPC/PARTOB.ZIP
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm
    Partobat utility (version 3.5 for faster machines) (Michael Peters)
       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm

You'll need to modify the sstools.ini file for use with partobat.  I
think it might be part of the fracxtra stuff that you can download that
has a bunch of pars/maps/frms/etc. for fractint.  Get it if you don't
have it.  I had to put a copy of it in my windows directory in order for
partobat to find the defaults I set up for it.

You'll want to add entries for partobat per the instructions for
partobat.  Plus, you want to modify the settings for formulafile,
parmfile, and savename to fit your situation.  Make sure that
fractint.exe is in your path.  You will need to select a Disk Video mode
for use with partobat.

It may take a little bit of trial and error to get it right, but it
works well.

Good luck.


Ken...





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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:33:48 -0700
From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: your mail

The only files I found that start as "make" in the Fractint directory
were make45.bat and makegif.bat.  I did find frmTutor.txt and Phctutor
(maybe that is the 19.6 version?)
I'll see how much I can absorb from those.  If there's another
"beginners version" let me know.

Thanks for the help,
Judy


Kragen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Lee Newsted wrote:
> > Go to DOS and then your Fractint Directory. Then type makedoc.
> > This will create a WORD document which is THE tutorial on Fractint.
> > It's very helpful.
>
> Yes, it's great.  But it's an ASCII text file, not a Word document.
> The .doc extension was in use for ASCII text files since at least 1980,
> and probably much longer than that, before Microsoft appropriated it
> for Word.
>
> Kragen
>
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> don't configure peripherals or networks before using them. I have a computer
> to do all that. I have a Macintosh, not a hobby. -- Fritz Anderson
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: your mail

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Judy wrote:
> The only files I found that start as "make" in the Fractint directory
> were make45.bat and makegif.bat.  I did find frmTutor.txt and Phctutor
> (maybe that is the 19.6 version?)
> I'll see how much I can absorb from those.  If there's another
> "beginners version" let me know.

Type
fractint makedoc
and then look at fractint.doc.

Kragen

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:39:43 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: your mail

Judy wrote:
>
> The only files I found that start as "make" in the
> Fractint directory were make45.bat and makegif.bat.
> I did find frmTutor.txt and Phctutor (maybe that is
> the 19.6 version?)  I'll see how much I can absorb
> from those.  If there's another "beginners version"
> let me know.
>

> > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Lee Newsted wrote:
> > > Go to DOS and then your Fractint Directory.
> > > Then type makedoc.

What sould have been said is run the FRACTINT program with the single
parameter of MAKEDOC.  This will create the file FRACTINT.DOC in the
Fractint directory.

P.N.L.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:06:33 -0700
From: Judy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: your mail (Thanks guys I've got it)

This will keep me busy for quite a while!
Thanks again for all your help,

Judy


Paul N. Lee wrote:
>
> Judy wrote:
> >
> > The only files I found that start as "make" in the
> > Fractint directory were make45.bat and makegif.bat.
> > I did find frmTutor.txt and Phctutor (maybe that is
> > the 19.6 version?)  I'll see how much I can absorb
> > from those.  If there's another "beginners version"
> > let me know.
> >
>
> > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Lee Newsted wrote:
> > > > Go to DOS and then your Fractint Directory.
> > > > Then type makedoc.
>
> What sould have been said is run the FRACTINT program with the single
> parameter of MAKEDOC.  This will create the file FRACTINT.DOC in the
> Fractint directory.
>
> P.N.L.
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>        Because we're almost always right.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:59:24 +1000
From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest Web S

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From: Michael Traynor <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, 10 September 1998 20:46
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest Web S


>><snipety snip>
>>>
>>> {Suppose after the 19th, we allow those who wish to to display their
>>>contest images, yet extend the voting another week or two?  Does anyone
>>>have some thoughts on this, pro or con?}
these were my thoughts on the above, mine, all mine, noone else has my
thoughts!
>>
>>purpose of anonymity
>
>Are you confessing or accusing? Please be specific either way.
>
I'm glad it was not specific, I'll definitely enter a pic next year. My web
site is still pathetic but let me know if you want the address (its
somewhere in geocities, soho, workshop 3524 but I haven't got the accurate
path address on me)


>>Only those worried that their image wont win without someone knowing they
>>did it need display it

I am biased toward certain artists, therefore if I know whose pic it is, I'm
likely to unconsiously judge the person more than the work. I did think
about this before I wrote it and knowing several pics have the artists
copyright has made the decision all the more difficult because I can't just
say, well it was an anonymous contest therefore I'll just ignore those with
names on them because that is unfair to those artists. (also this is not the
complete sentence and therefore not entirely the right concept as some
copywrites got thru on the pics...)
>
>This is entirely unworthy.  In the one case where someone definitely wants
>to display images that were submitted, it is because there was a
>pre-existing commitment.

That committment should never have been made, aka rules, morals, fairness to
other competitors... etc (in uni you can only submit a composition once, I
liken this situation to that, as it is not terribly hard to make a new work
and you are rewarded for the *one work in the one place* - but I have never
actually seen all the rules, it is general knowledge, and you tend to only
find out if you break the rules;-)

Besides, how many good pics can one come up with, the bandwidth usage on
alt.fractals.binaries.pictures says lots....

> I could well see someone who used a fractal
>generator that is not so widely used as fractint wanting to display a
>large format version of their image (I certainly will be using the
>fractint pars made available to generate images at large sizes since many
>images loose a lot in smaller versions) and would not view this as being in
>any way improper.  It does not make sense to have what is essentially a
>practical compromise on size (to make a practical contest web site)
>determine an important parameter for a work.

*That* is the essence of competition. How we can work within limitation.

I'll give you an unrelated example, a performing musician is his best on his
own instrument. A pianist has no choice but to use the instrument presented
to him/her. This apparently makes everything equal except that each
instrument has a different timbre (quality of sound), mechanical action
(easy, hard, you have to hit the damn key with a sledgehammer to get any
decent volume**!##!!&(*())), even the size of the keys can vary. BUT
everyone is judged equally on the same instrument. (But I *always* play
better on my own piano). I know that we still know the performer, but they
sound different on a different instrument and they are not allowed to bring
their own instrument in to use. ie. the picture is judged according to the
rules and its limitations, any further display of its exceptional beauty are
outside the bounds of the competition and are available once the competition
is over.

(It would be interesting to do a match the artist with the picture)
>
>
>--
>Mike Traynor


Regards, regina

- - Looking into a fractal is like looking into the soul.
- - the deeper you look, the more complex the structure
(the deeper we delve into these types of issues, the more we tend to offend
rather than inform......this will be my last comment on this issue)
- - We sleep 1/3 of our lives. Choose wisely.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:34:36 -0700
From: cindy mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:Contest Images

First I would like to Thank Damien for all his hard work.

I finally downloaded all the files and am running a program
called PolyView as a slide show. Along with the image the
file name is displayed. This should give the viewer a better
idea of what is personnely pleasing.

PolyView can be obtained at - http://www.polybytes.com/

   Cindy

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/1195/
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/3741/

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:02:48 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest

Paul,

 - Having taken a three month vacation from making fractals, I did not
 - enter the contest this year.  Am I still eligible to vote?

YES!  Anyone who visits the web site may vote, whether or not they entered.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:02:15 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re; contest web site

Michael,

 - I consider this an unseemly suspicion.  The implication is, for instance
 - that the voting in the fractint contest was biased as the names of the
 - submitters ... were known.  Do you believe that this was so?

Your use of the phrase "unseemly suspicion" would indicate that you feel
this may be some personal slight against you.  Nothing was aimed at you
specifically.  There's nothing unseemly about it, it's just recognition of
human nature.  Whether you admit the bias is there or not, it's there.  If
you wish to be offended by it, that is your option.

I can tell you right now that I, being *aware* of the possibility of bias,
can detect it as I look over the contest entries.  I am seriously
considering not voting because of it.  I linger over the entries from those
people whose work I admire, even when the image in question doesn't thrill
me that much.  Is that fair?  I fight the urge, but I must always question
my objectivity.

I like to think I'm as human as the next guy, so if I can feel the
influence when I know who created each image, should I assume nobody else
would be affected?  I'm not "accusing" you of anything I haven't already
felt myself.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:51:57 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Can't Unzip

<<sigh>>

Well....I THOUGHT I was going to be able to look at the contest entries tonight but
when I opened the contest98-all.zip file (39,182K) I got the following message:

End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not a zipfile, or
it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the latter case the central
directory and zipfile comment will be found on the last disk(s) of this archive.

Didn't we establish a rule months ago whereby this sort of thing wasn't supposed to
happen?  Any suggestions? Another 4 hours of downloading? Anyone else have problems?

Angela

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:46:52 -0700
From: "Lee Newsted" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Doc's

Well...
I sent out the "help" which I thought was correct...
so.... I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
c:\Fractint fractint makedoc
is what I typed to get the manual.
you know it's been one of those days.
Where I work I have to close a HUGE hydraulic steel door with a certain key
in a certain control box. But lately I keep picking up the phone near the
control box and dialing a number to close the door. So todays error is just
par for the course lately.
nuke.


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:46:14 -0700
From: Dennis Kerrisk <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Can't Unzip

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Angela
    I downloaded it and had no problem unzippiing it with the dos version of Pkunzip.

                        Dennis


- -----Original Message-----
From:    Angela Wilczynski [SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:    Thursday, September 10, 1998 5:52 PM
To:    Fractint
Subject:    (fractint) Can't Unzip

<<sigh>>

Well....I THOUGHT I was going to be able to look at the contest entries tonight but
when I opened the contest98-all.zip file (39,182K) I got the following message:

End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not a zipfile, or
it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the latter case the central
directory and zipfile comment will be found on the last disk(s) of this archive.

Didn't we establish a rule months ago whereby this sort of thing wasn't supposed to
happen?  Any suggestions? Another 4 hours of downloading? Anyone else have problems?

Angela

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