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fractint-digest        Monday, August 31 1998        Volume 01 : Number 285




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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:57:58 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal risks?

Hi Fractintiers,

Is it possible that some people might be offended
by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
names, but there have been discussions here of how
some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...

Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!

http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
blots could bring out some of the most inner
feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
at the office see something more than I see?

Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Jay


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:19:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

  Jay,

    Although I've seen some rather *ugly* fractals before, including many of
my own<g>, not one of them has ever offended me, and it's sad to hear that
some people might be offended by fractals. However, they're art,...just as
paintings are, and even some of the greatest painters offended a few people I
guess.  Oh, well,...it's a matter of opinion really. To me, fractals are the
most beautiful thing I've seen, and I'll always get the greatest satisfaction
from creating new images. And,...it's nice to know that there's enough
different formulae and drawing methods to have a virtually unlimited supply of
fractal images. A lifetimes worth! :)

  Regards~

Jim

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:07:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) 9 pars(F'Liar4C) different map

   Just a few more images,.....with jacco244.map this time.

      Enjoy~

 Jim
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:25:19 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

At 11:57 PM 8/30/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Fractintiers,
>
>Is it possible that some people might be offended
>by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
>friend who thinks fractals are ugly.

I think Piccaso (sp?) paintings are ugly. Which means nothing and the
majority of people who know anything about art would disagree. It is your
friend's perogative in his likes and dislikes, but is only his opinion.

I have found nothing offensive in either your Dr. J episodes or fractals -
when I can find time to look at them.

>Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
>on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Sounds likely...   :)

[e-mail]
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How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:34:20 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

At 23:57 30/08/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
>blots could bring out some of the most inner
>feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
>what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
>things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
>co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
>at the office see something more than I see?
>
I dunno about offensive - everything offends _someone_ at least
some time.

I one started writing a story about "seeing things" in a fractal.
I never finished it because in researching it I came across other short
storys published that went along simiar lines (if only I could remember
which ones they now are - I'll have to dig), and I mine would have ended
up looking derivative. But as well as "seeing" stuff in a fractal, I
took on the fact that our eyes are by far the widest-bandwidth channel
for getting information into the brain (the retinas themselves
qualifying as exposed bits of the brain) - something like 150Gb/s raw
data rate - so one could then imagine using a certain image to
"reprogram" people just by getting them to look at it - even perhaps
skewing their judgement so that they would be offended by something
they'd previously enjoyed. The images could only be safely handled by
people wearing suitable filtering goggles - yes! Rose-tinted glasses!


Okay, that's quite silly enough.
Morgan.



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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:22:30 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript

Hi Paul,

>> Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of
>> my space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
>> "dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
>> pop-ups, banners, watermarks, etc. they want; No one will ever see
>> them!  My URL for unhindered viewing is with Xoom ( http://xoom.com/
>> ), which doesn't subject its members to the above mentioned
>> indignities.  My thanks to Luke Plant for suggesting Xoom and Sylvie
>> Gallet for her web site structure tips.

  I'd like to suggest everyone that has pages at GeoCities to use the sam=
e
trick!  Your new pages load faster now.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Sylvie Gallet wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> >> Another way to get around the pop-ups and watermarks:  I have most of
> >> my space-eating image files stored at GeoCities, along with a couple
> >> "dummy" HTML documents.  That way, GeoCities can attach all of the
>
>   I'd like to suggest everyone that has pages at GeoCities to use the same
> trick!  Your new pages load faster now.

I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the case.

Kragen (who hasn't read their terms of service in a long time)

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Jay Hill wrote:
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?

Sure.

> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Yeah, Cameron Barrett.  He has some pretty freaky stories on his web
site.

Nevertheless, what his cow-orkers did to him was wrong.

> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

Well, I'd be happy to host fractal sites under people's pen names and
protect their secret identities.  :)

Kragen

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:57:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote:
> up looking derivative. But as well as "seeing" stuff in a fractal, I
> took on the fact that our eyes are by far the widest-bandwidth channel
> for getting information into the brain (the retinas themselves
> qualifying as exposed bits of the brain) - something like 150Gb/s raw
> data rate -

I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation using the assumption that the
whole eye had resolution equivalent to the fovea's, and came up with a
rough guess of 10Gb/s.

Of course, the foveae actually have much, much better resolution than
the rest of the eye, so the truth is probably only a few hundred kbps.

Our ears can hear at something like 80kbps.

Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.

Taste is probably not a high-bandwidth sense.

Smell, I don't know.  It probably doesn't have great time resolution (4
Hz at most, I think) and almost no spatial resolution (left nostril or
right, and most of us can't even tell the difference) but it has a huge
number of channels -- but whether they are hundreds or millions I am
not sure.

Kragen

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:16:48 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

>Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
>blots could bring out some of the most inner
>feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
>what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
>things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
>co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
>at the office see something more than I see?

An interesting question, Jay.

When the fractal-arts and fractint lists first started, Sharon Webb sent
a little story in to one of them (fractal-arts?)  I hope I've got this
right, Sharon!  If not, please correct me!

Sharon decided to exhibit one of her fractals at a local fair.  Then she
sort of hung out in the corner, just to watch the reaction of others.
Pretty soon, a couple of teen-aged boys came along, and they stood in
front of it and stared for a long time.  Finally, one of the boys turned
to the other and said, "It's REALLY dirty, but I like it!"

Linda


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:22:35 -0400
From: albert g faulkner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Risks?

Hello Jay and other fractinters,
     I think fractals are one of the most gorgeous things I have ever
beheld.  It shows what mankind can do with a little imagination,
determination, and motivitation.  I have not gotten into them yet
myself, but I sure enjoy visiting the various sites and seeing the
beauty and imagination at work.  I have been lurking for a spell, but
through another course The Artists Way I was led to the fractals.   The
artists way is a group that looks into the finer things of life and how
to remove the"blocks" that hold many of us back.  I am taking the course
on the Web and it is excellent for soul searching etc.  One of the
members recommended the area of fractals and gave us the address.  I
have been engaged in the realm of improving the mind and the
understanding of myself.  It is astounding how many people are out there
with a closed mind.  It is positively astounding.  I got a degree in
Chemistry back in 1949 and would have probably gone into engineering,
but at the time I was terrified of Mathematics.  Since then I have
overcome the fear and really enjoy learning more about and philosophy,
and the spiritual side of life..  I think your creations are tremendous
and will dabble myself once I finish the AW course..  I have discovered
I am not Superman, so have been forced to take life one day at a time,
and also one project at a time.  I am also interested in Amateur Radio,
drawing, painting and carving.
I am 71 and am really starting to enjoy life.  Keep up the good
work.      Albert


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:50:31 +0200
From: FreeFlux / CephiD <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

Hi,
I find this to be nearly unbelievable! Could anyone please tell me /how/
anybody could be offended by an image of a fractal??
Unless you are looking for or making some kind of weird fractal that
looks like something from a regular pr0n site...(difficult but
possible).
Weird...ofcourse Rorschach comes to mind in /some/ cases but even
then...

JB

Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Fractintiers,
>
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
> friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
> be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
> my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
> names, but there have been discussions here of how
> some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...
>
> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1
>
> Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
> blots could bring out some of the most inner
> feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
> what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
> things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
> co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
> at the office see something more than I see?
>
> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)
>
> Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
> on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....
>
> Jay
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

Jay Hill wrote:

> Hi Fractintiers,
>
> Is it possible that some people might be offended
> by our fractals and fractal art?  I have a mathematician
> friend who thinks fractals are ugly. There might even
> be someone who might be offended (or concerned) by
> my Dr. J stories. Is this likely? Without mentioning
> names, but there have been discussions here of how
> some fractals were considered by some to be offensive...

People are going to be offended by just about anything.  In this day of
"Political Correctness", it is deemed to be a bad thing for something to
offend.  However, IMO, most of those offended by PC things should be
offended.  We can't laugh at ourselves anymore, and we certainly can't
laugh at others or we are considered intolerant, a bigot, or any number
of descriptive terms.

Fractals are creations born from mathematical formulas, manipulated by
various parameters, colorings schemes, etc.  Given the creativity of the
various artists, or experimentors (in my case), one can create images
that may be ugly, magnificently beautiful, or somewhere inbetween.  In
any case, it is in the eye of the beholder to determine the relative
beauty of an images, as it is with most any form of art.  I find it
extremely unlikely that an image would offend someone, unless that
image would happen to resemble some other "real-life" image that is
considered offensive.  I mean, seriously, it is rather difficult to
create a fractal image that contains the same offense that the "Piss
Christ" image did.  After all, that image was meant to offend.  In any
case, I think it would be very difficult to intentionally create
fractals images meant to offend someone.

> Consider this news post where a guy got fired as a
> result of his fictional postings on his web site. Some
> in his office were offended. They told the boss, "it's
> him or us". So he got axed. And it was legal!
>
> http://www.techweb.com/internet/profile/cbarrett/interview?page=1

Well, IMO, the employer had no backbone and neither did the people
claiming offense.  I'm surprised that some organization did back the man
who was fired for violation of his rights.  They certainly do in other,
more ridiculous situations.

> Just a thought in the middle of the night...  If ink
> blots could bring out some of the most inner
> feelings and abnormalities in 'marginal' people,
> what about fractals? I see all kinds of 'interesting'
> things in fractals. So I'm sure some of my friends and
> co-workers could also. What if one of the 'marginals'
> at the office see something more than I see?

In the ideal world, my answer would be "So what?".  However, in this
current climate of PC, one does have to take these things into account.
Many companies have restrictions about using work accounts for personal
uses.  I'm sure there are numerous cases of employers being sued for the
personal actions of employees, even though non-work related.

> Do we run a risk in setting up multimegabyte displays
> of our fractal creations? After all, it is a collection
> of what we created and 'like'. Should some of
> us wipe our web sites? Or even withdraw our latest
> entries from the Fractal Art contest?  :-)

I wouldn't think so, but each has to make that determination for
themselves.

> Maybe I just need a good night rest and a good day
> on the stock market.  :-)  Nevermind....

Yes, a good night's sleep and a good rally on one's portfolio does
wonders for moral.  :-)



Ken...









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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:34:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

I had one of my earlier images (black and white rendering of a Julia)
characterized as "evil", and I've had other images described as "sexual"
or "erotic".  My dad, who was a "real" artist and taught in public
schools, had one of his pieces rejected for public display.  He did a lot
of abstract, graphic art, and this piece was from a series on zodiac
signs.  It resembled a "6" next to a "9", which apparantly got the sexual
fires of someone going.  I've heard that many of Georgia O'Keefe's flower
paintings "look" sexual.

Our minds are great at finding patterns and assigning meanings to all
sorts of things.  Consequently, I'm sure *someone* will get burned for
their fractal art being "offensive", but I'm also sure that that should
not be a deterrant for any of us.

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:09:29 +0200
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

Kragen wrote:

>Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
>decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
>tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
>big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
>spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
>good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
>may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.


Well, too bad it's hard to _feel_ fractals :)

Christian




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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:34:39 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript

Hi Kragen,

>> I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
>> might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the
>> case.

  I don't know.  Maybe Paul DeCelle could enlighten us?

        - Sylvie (who will never read their terms of service!)



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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:04:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) 1 par (F'Liar4C)sg_map102.map

  Just a zoom of a previously posted par....with a Sylvie Gallet colormap.

    Enjoy~

Jim
************************************************************

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                     ; sg_map02.map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_f.frm formulaname=F'Liar4C
  function=abs passes=t
  center-mag=-6.66134e-015/-7.99361e-015/0.3560454 params=0.5/0/0/0
  float=y maxiter=10 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0
  colors=000zpS<3>zzc<4>fqZaoY_mX<14>0QG<2>1KB1H92F83D7<4>A00<5>dU0jZ0oc0u\
  h0zm0<6>zU0<6>H40<2>A4773A73C<6>39Q2AS3CT<13>E`hFbiGdi<3>JklKmmJkj<10>9N\
  J8LG7JE6GB5E86G9<11>GZJH`KIbLJdMKfNLhM<12>wt1<12>DVF<3>CQDCPCCNBCMACLABJ\
  9<4>BG8AF7AE79D6DE6<5>aLBeMCgODjQF<13>xnGypGzrF<2>ztWyt`yufxukxvqwww<9>k\
  NNjJJhFFgBBf88d44c00<6>P00M00K00H00K21<8>hO6kQ6nT7qW8<2>zbA<4>znP
  }


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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:11:08 +0200
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript

Kragen wrote:

>>[on the trick of 'remote loading']
>
>I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
>might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the case.
>
>Kragen (who hasn't read their terms of service in a long time)


Well, I did and Geocities says the following:

Not allowed are:

- - Using your page (or directory) as storage for remote loading or as a door or
signpost to another home page, whether inside or beyond GeoCities;
- - Developing restricted or password-only access pages, or hidden pages or
images (those not linked to from another accessible page);

Members who are in violation of these policies may have their membership
revoked and their pages, or portions of their pages, removed without warning.

See www.geocities.com/members/guidelines/tos.html  and
www.geocities.com/members/guidelines/guideline.html (from which I have the
quotes above)
for details.

Geocities also says:

- - Not allowed is 'having multiple GeoCities addresses which are within the
same GeoCities neighborhood or which have the same theme'.

Christian




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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:16:15 PDT
From: "Justin Altman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(fractint) Fractal risks?

I could see how some could be offended, some fractals i have made/found
resemble things such as drugs, or 'body parts'.  A certain section of a
variation of the mandlebrot that I was looking at even contained what
looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream', with some false
colors.  It was weird, but not offensive.


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:16:29 PDT
From: "Justin Altman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(fractint) Fractal risks?

I could see how some could be offended, some fractals i have made/found
resemble things such as drugs, or 'body parts'.  A certain section of a
variation of the mandlebrot that I was looking at even contained what
looked to me an almost exact replica of 'The Scream', with some false
colors.  It was weird, but not offensive.


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:28:57 -0400
From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: killing JavaScript

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> Hi Kragen,
>
> >> I think this is actually against GeoCities's terms of service.  You
> >> might find your GeoCities site suddenly disappear if that's the
> >> case.
>
>   I don't know.  Maybe Paul DeCelle could enlighten us?
>
>         - Sylvie (who will never read their terms of service!)
>
Hi, Everybody--

I've never read through all of the terms, either, so I don't know.  I do
have a fully functional site up at GC; but I am using the same, or very
slightly modified, HTML documents at Xoom to access.  Come to think of
it, this is probably against BOTH GeoCities and Xoom service terms.
We'll see what happens.  If I run into trouble, I'll probably just go
ahead an sign up for the GeoPlus option, or look for a new home...

Two new images at "Collection 4" today
http://members.xoom.com/PaulDeCelle/Exhibit4.html
Beware the penguins <G>.

Paul--

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:26:40 -0400
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal risks?

>>Our skin might be another matter entirely -- its time resolution is
>>decent, perhaps 100-200Hz, much better than that of our eyes (you can
>>tap rhythm accurately by touch and kinesthetic sensation), it's pretty
>>big (several square yards, or several thousand square inches), has good
>>spatial resolution in a few places, but generally not, and has fairly
>>good sampling depth (six bits at least, with several channels).  So it
>>may be that our skin has a gigabit or two of bandwidth.
>
>
>Well, too bad it's hard to _feel_ fractals :)
>
>Christian


Here's one way - stand as naked as legally possible in the early morning
sunshine on a fall or spring morning, when there's a light breeze (fractal)...
don't forget to breathe deeply - get some fractal on the inside, too!

Jason


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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:15:37 -0400
From: "Jason Hine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Best Wishes to Albert

>I am 71 and am really starting to enjoy life.  Keep up the good
>work.      Albert


You are blessed, sir!  Thanks for writing!

Jason Hine


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