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fractint-digest        Wednesday, June 24 1998        Volume 01 : Number 242




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:29:01 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) to attach or not to attach . . .

Hi!  Just got back online after a couple of weeks vacationing with my
brother.  I'm trying to catch up, but it may take awhile!

However, I see all the postings regarding inline text vs. attachments.
This is another one of those issues that has been done to death.  The
past discussions can, of course, be read in the archived files, if
anyone is really interested in the endless exchange and how we got where
we are.  But I've included the final-result-message below.

Basically, the discussions broke down to:

inline text is more convenient for some subscribers
vs
attachments are downright impossible for some subscribers.

Given those two issues, it is fairly obvious that inline text is in and
attachments are out.  Impossible overrides inconvenient every time!

(PS  At one point some of us were including par and frm files as BOTH
attachments and inline text.  That didn't work, because some of the
subscribers use software that will automatically dump a message if there
is an attachment.   As Noel Giffen put it (28 Oct 1997), "Let's remember
that the intention was to post formula and parameter sets that people
can use. ")
Linda
http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/index.html (last update 6/5/98)
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/gallery1.html (last update 6/5/98)
http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update
3/20/98)


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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) back to fractals
Date: 26 Oct 1997 18:44:18 -0600

Ok, I think the mail/html/attachment thread has run it's course. I
don't mind this topic in moderation as it can be helpful to list
readers. If folks want to continue this, just respond to the
individual rather than to the list.

Looks like the consensus is to avoid attachments and HTML in list
messages. If everyone is careful with their mailer settings (wide
enough margin, something like 75 characters or so), both sending and
receiving, it should be possible to avoid scrambling PAR entries.

Tim




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:39:46 -0600
From: "mctupper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) par-files

<stuff snipped>
:: >If here is an attachment (a small picture), the listserver allows
:: attachments
:: >:
:: >
:: >Markus
:: >
::
::
:: Markus. I think your attachment did not have to be sent. There
:: are others on
:: the list who send atts (like mctupper).

Actually I didn't realize that I was sending an attachment. Most of my mail
is sent HTML enriched, but I posted my par file as Plain text. I didn't know
that Outlook 98 added the html anyway. I'm glad I found out.  :)

Mary
OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:30:05 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: win98 GUI?

In a message dated 98-06-23 15:27:10 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:

> Someone on the list (I forgot to note who) said:
>
>  >> i have msdos7.10 from win98, but i
>  >> haven't installed the win98 gui
>
>  I'm wondering how this is possible...
>

Since I haven't sunk my teeth into 98, yet (NT rules, for the most part <g>),
I will forward my experience of this in Windoze95.

Simpler than you think, it's simply the dos-level support files (or the entire
\COMMAND\ dir, if you will). With a little foreknowledge, or at least plenty
of time to experiment, you can strip this down to a handful of files. The Win
95 kernel and command.com, plus some memory-handlers and runtimes. That's it.
a  'sys' at the command prompt will indeed return a Windows 95 build.

My Brain Runneth Over with Errata...

Chris

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:13:17 -0500
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

Michael Bell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This sounds like rubbish to me (no offence meant) - because I use MS-DOS
> all the time,
> through the MS-DOS prompt, restart in mode *and* by using F8,6 on
> startup.  I am using
> OSR2 with a 3.2G drive formatted FAT32.  I have not yet found a single
> DOS app that
> doesn't like FAT32 or anything else Windowsish about my DOS box/mode.
> The only thing
> that doesn't work with FAT32 is Drivespace 3 - but that's just
> Microsoft's wonderful
> software development teams.
>
> Sorry that this is a little off topic...
>
> Michael.
>

Yep, rubbish.  all of those solutions: F8; restart in DOS; even fixing win95 to
not boot the GUI at startup all work just fine with fractint.

But WHY?!?   Fractint runs *beautifully* fullscreen in win95.  I just have a
shortcut (with screensaver disabled) on my desktop. The only complications happen
when switching back and forth - the current image is trashed.  As long as you save
yr work before swiching all's good. I thought this is how all win95-ers are doing
it...

Am I the exception here?  Do all of you have to reboot just to run fractint?
I had to reboot for some of my older DOS games when I first got win95 (Krondor,
DOTT, etc.)  but by now I've even got those working within windows (memory and
sound card issues.)

  -Andrew

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:56:44 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

Felix wrote:

> Fractint runs *beautifully* fullscreen in win95.  I just have a shortcut (with
> screensaver disabled) on my desktop........ Am I the exception here?

No, you are not! I also found that to be the best way to run Fractint. Simple and
easy. No rebooting, no DOS prompt, no typing of DOS commands! Just a click on a
shortcut. Now it may be marginally slower, but the difference, for me, is negligible.

Gedeon
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:06:40 -0500
From: "Earl Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy?? YES!


>Felix wrote:
>
>> Fractint runs *beautifully* fullscreen in win95.  I just have a shortcut
(with
>> screensaver disabled) on my desktop........ Am I the exception here?
>
>No, you are not! I also found that to be the best way to run Fractint.
Simple and
>easy. No rebooting, no DOS prompt, no typing of DOS commands! Just a click
on a
>shortcut. Now it may be marginally slower, but the difference, for me, is
negligible.
>
>Gedeon
>--


Ditto here  -- a shortcut on the desktop is all I ever use.

Earl


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:11:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

In a message dated 98-06-23 22:21:10 EDT, you write:

<< Am I the exception here?  Do all of you have to reboot just to run
fractint? >>
hi,
I prefer the solidity of fractint in dos. It runs in 95 but not as well for
me.
Rebooting is no problem. I want to run it in dos.
Steve

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:16:19 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Welcome back, Linda!

    Hi Linda, gumbycat

    Every time I check the messages on the list I expect to see something
posted from 'gumbycat' - but lately there has been nothing.  The ol' place
just didn't seem the same.  Now it does.  Welcome home!

                Ray


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:47:32 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Shortcut to DOS

    I use 'shortcut' to DOS to Fractint.  No fuss, no bother, no wasted time -
just Fractinting.

                Ray


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:32:29 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

>Christian,
>
> - By the way, don't you think 8 GB is a bit *too* much for one partition?
>
>The problem with making big partitions prior to FAT32 was that as you
>increased the size of the partition, you increased the size of the
>allocation unit--with a 2G partition, space was always allocated to files
>in 32K chunks.  That means if your file is only 1K, it still uses 32K, and
>if it grows th 33K, it takes up 64K of disk space.
>
>With FAT32, the entire situation changes, because FAT32 allows small
>allocation units again.  For an 8G partition, I think it's 4K or 8K
>(although I would have to check to make sure).  That makes it completely
>reasonable to have a single partition that size, and not have to worry
>about partitioning at all.
>
>Damien M. Jones   \\


I know. But i dislike the idea of a one GB fat (may well be exaggerated,
don't know exact figures). Let's say four fat16s of a bit less than 2GB (so
clusters of 32KB) might then save some space, not?

I myself have the opposite, which is really wrong. I have

/dev/hda1 (C) 102MB - Dos6, dos7, 4dos, dos71, win311fw
/dev/hda2 ext
/dev/hda3 (J) 747MB - WinNT + apps
/dev/hda4 (K) 310MB - Games
/dev/hda5 (D) 499MB - Win95 + graphics
/dev/hda6 (E) 401MB - Games
/dev/hda7 (F) 377MB - Personal
/dev/hdd2 ext
/dev/hdd5 (G) 149MB
/dev/hdd6 (H) 6MB
/dev/hdd7 (I) 6MB

The reason for the stupid hdd2 is that my 2.5 GB Quantum Bigfoot crashed
some time ago [so i lost linux]. Shaking it and throwing it out of the
window actually seemed to help, but when the motor finally broke down, my
sledge hammer finished it off. I took an old Seagate to replace it, for i
don't want to reinstall WinNT (on J) yet.

Christian




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:16:25 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: win98 GUI?

>Someone on the list (I forgot to note who) said:
>
>>> i have msdos7.10 from win98, but i
>>> haven't installed the win98 gui
>
>I'm wondering how this is possible...
>


Simple really. I've copied the windows\command directory to c:\dos71 along
with smartdrv.exe. And then copied io.sys and msdos.sys.

Christian




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:39:46 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

>If ya'll have icq, (or not but would like to...www.mirabilis.com) might
>be helpful to do a chat discussion a couple times a week....
>
>chris
>


I sure have ICQ. In May there was something going on about fractal chatting
on IRC and ICQ. So Felix aka Xilef set up an ICQ Group (see below)

This is the list of ICQ members of this list, last updatet Sunday May 3rd,
14:19 GMT+1 (CET).

- ---

A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list
in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons.
If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit
http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having
installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be
assigned an ICQ number.

Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can
be contacted at
http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214
This list was last updated Sunday May 3rd, 14:19 GMT+1 (CET).
Added Luis Ricardo Costa & Thaddaeus Parker. Welcome.
Michael Bell - #11379737 - 'Mike' on ICQ Fractint Group
Luis Ricardo Costa - #4111347 - 'Spielberg' on ICQ Fractint Group
Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 - 'Kydaimon' on ICQ Fractint Group
Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 - 'Xilef' on ICQ Fractint Group (Master)
Alex Dukay - #8515817
Jon Fetting - #4024153
David Forbus - #2512475
Blake Hyde - #5411598
Ralph Jones - #11903613
Paul Lee - #8804332
Bob Margolis - #11924047
IrΘnΘe Mercier - #7217822
Nhan Nguyen - #341018
Thaddaeus Parker - #3304633 - 'FractalMan' on ICQ Fractint Group
Christian Strik - #11760568 - 'Meltdown' on ICQ Fractint Group
Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072
I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not suggesting
this list is complete...
Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed
here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member
of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out
names and numbers. :-)
Thanx in advance,
Christian Strik

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:08:32 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fwd: Algorithms

Kragen wrote:

>>Also, it might be worthwhile to set
up a huge MP machine that can be used to render fractals for Sylvie
Gallet, Wizzle, Gumbycat, et al., while they sit at home running
Fractint on their little DOS boxes.<<

I think there is a compliment in there.  If so, thanks!  You've
certainly placed me in good company!

Linda





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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:19:18 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

On 23 Jun 98 at 21:13, Felix wrote:

> But WHY?!?   Fractint runs *beautifully* fullscreen in
> win95.  I just have a shortcut (with screensaver
> disabled) on my desktop. The only complications happen
> when switching back and forth - the current image is
> trashed.  As long as you save yr work before swiching
> all's good. I thought this is how all win95-ers are
> doing it...

Won't run on ours. It and W95 happily corrupt and crash
each other (fighting over the display). Other Fractint
experts have confirmed that the problem is the display
adaptor and drivers we use (Diamond Stealth64 Series
2000).

That's OK. Runs beautifully under OS/2, where we spend
much more of our time ...

Another blast of bits from David
Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/
Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
A 3.5 disk should fit in a 5.25 drive, right?



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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:07:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

I run Fractint in a fullscreen session under win95 and it
actually runs 5% -faster- than if I boot from DOS! As
others have reported there is a problem switching (I have a
Diamond Stealth 2000pro).

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:56:44 -0400 Gedeon Peteri
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Felix wrote:
>
> > Fractint runs *beautifully* fullscreen in win95.  I just have a shortcut (with
> > screensaver disabled) on my desktop........ Am I the exception here?
>
> No, you are not! I also found that to be the best way to run Fractint. Simple and
> easy. No rebooting, no DOS prompt, no typing of DOS commands! Just a click on a
> shortcut. Now it may be marginally slower, but the difference, for me, is negligible.
>
> Gedeon
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:23:52 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 1 par (text)

I thought I would send at least one par since everyone else is *discussing*
the issue of text vs. attachments.

Enjoy~

Jim

************************************************************

Sungod_13          { ; 0:02:06.27 75mhz 800x600
                     ; 6/23/98 image(c) JamesWeaver
  reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=cotan/sqr passes=t
  center-mag=3.56742/-5.32907e-015/0.1404496/1/-90 params=-0.2/0/0.5
  float=y maxiter=25 bailoutest=imag inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  periodicity=0
  colors=000RRK<8>321<10>eRF<13>LoZJq`KoY<11>`S0<14>xx0545<5>ZWZ<11>KKNIJM\
  HILFHKILO<2>RW`<13>F5EE3CG3D<6>S5N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6\
  FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z9\
  0x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<2>Cj0664<5>efW<4>TUM
  }


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:54:04 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

At 09:13 PM 6/23/1998 -0500, you wrote:

(snippeed)

>Am I the exception here?  Do all of you have to reboot just to run fractint?
>  -Andrew

(snipped)

I have never rebooted to run fractint under Win95 - I use the MS DOS prompt
and have never had a problem...

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:11:53 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 1 par (text)

Hi Jim,

>> I thought I would send at least one par since everyone else is
>> *discussing* the issue of text vs. attachments.

  I was about to forget what does a fractal-related posting without any
HTML attachment look like... :-)

  Very nice image, Jim!  Thanks!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:22:26 -0700
From: chris landrum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

Chris Landrum  11989523

Christian Strik wrote:
> =

> >If ya'll have icq, (or not but would like to...www.mirabilis.com) migh=
t
> >be helpful to do a chat discussion a couple times a week....
> >
> >chris
> >
> =

> I sure have ICQ. In May there was something going on about fractal chat=
ting
> on IRC and ICQ. So Felix aka Xilef set up an ICQ Group (see below)
> =

> This is the list of ICQ members of this list, last updatet Sunday May 3=
rd,
> 14:19 GMT+1 (CET).
> =

> ---
> =

> A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this l=
ist
> in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reas=
ons.
> If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, =
visit
> http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After ha=
ving
> installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be
> assigned an ICQ number.
> =

> Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group =
can
> be contacted at
> http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=3D28214
> This list was last updated Sunday May 3rd, 14:19 GMT+1 (CET).
> Added Luis Ricardo Costa & Thaddaeus Parker. Welcome.
> Michael Bell - #11379737 - 'Mike' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Luis Ricardo Costa - #4111347 - 'Spielberg' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 - 'Kydaimon' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 - 'Xilef' on ICQ Fractint Group (Maste=
r)
> Alex Dukay - #8515817
> Jon Fetting - #4024153
> David Forbus - #2512475
> Blake Hyde - #5411598
> Ralph Jones - #11903613
> Paul Lee - #8804332
> Bob Margolis - #11924047
> Ir=E9n=E9e Mercier - #7217822
> Nhan Nguyen - #341018
> Thaddaeus Parker - #3304633 - 'FractalMan' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Christian Strik - #11760568 - 'Meltdown' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072
> I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not sugge=
sting
> this list is complete...
> Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been li=
sted
> here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new me=
mber
> of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding =
out
> names and numbers. :-)
> Thanx in advance,
> Christian Strik
> =

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> Christian
> =

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:01:59 -0700
From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) par-files

Hi Chris,
Here is my ICQ# 265357

ArtBaker

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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of chris landrum
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 6:22 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files


Chris Landrum  11989523

Christian Strik wrote:
>
> >If ya'll have icq, (or not but would like to...www.mirabilis.com) might
> >be helpful to do a chat discussion a couple times a week....
> >
> >chris
> >
>
> I sure have ICQ. In May there was something going on about fractal
chatting
> on IRC and ICQ. So Felix aka Xilef set up an ICQ Group (see below)
>
> This is the list of ICQ members of this list, last updatet Sunday May 3rd,
> 14:19 GMT+1 (CET).
>
> ---
>
> A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list
> in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity
reasons.
> If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one,
visit
> http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After
having
> installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be
> assigned an ICQ number.
>
> Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can
> be contacted at
> http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214
> This list was last updated Sunday May 3rd, 14:19 GMT+1 (CET).
> Added Luis Ricardo Costa & Thaddaeus Parker. Welcome.
> Michael Bell - #11379737 - 'Mike' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Luis Ricardo Costa - #4111347 - 'Spielberg' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 - 'Kydaimon' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 - 'Xilef' on ICQ Fractint Group (Master)
> Alex Dukay - #8515817
> Jon Fetting - #4024153
> David Forbus - #2512475
> Blake Hyde - #5411598
> Ralph Jones - #11903613
> Paul Lee - #8804332
> Bob Margolis - #11924047
> IrΘnΘe Mercier - #7217822
> Nhan Nguyen - #341018
> Thaddaeus Parker - #3304633 - 'FractalMan' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Christian Strik - #11760568 - 'Meltdown' on ICQ Fractint Group
> Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072
> I selected names and numbers by looking at mail subjects. I'm not
suggesting
> this list is complete...
> Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been
listed
> here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new
member
> of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out
> names and numbers. :-)
> Thanx in advance,
> Christian Strik
>
> ---
>
> Christian
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:54:43 +0200
From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ICQ (was Re: (fractint) par-files)

Christian Strik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed
>here (my fault then), please mail.

My ICQ # is 5848993

C U on ICQ
Jacco
e-mail [e-mail]
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:30:51 -0700
From: "John Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

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From: Christian Strik <[e-mail]>

>Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed
>here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member
>of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out
>names and numbers.

Hi, this lurkers number is 14386215.   :-)

John.



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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:23:58 +0100
From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ICQ (was Re: (fractint) par-files)

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Jacco Burger wrote:

> Christian Strik <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed
> >here (my fault then), please mail.
>
> My ICQ # is 5848993

Cool. My # is 13157125
Perhaps I'll contact you soon...

Ciao
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 22:26:06
From: [e-mail] (Dr I D Entwistle)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Introductory Fractals Book

On Tue 23 Jun 98 (21:26:41 +0200), [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> In several letters in the FractInt list questions were asked about
> introductory books on fractals.
>
> In the answers, but also in the Fractint documentation I missed a very
> good book (although I may be biased because the author is a Dutchman as
> I am!) which gives a general introduction into fractals, with an
> appendix on complex numbers and also one with a number of (very) simple
> BASIC programs for fractal calculations of a large number of different
> types.
>
> The book I mean is by Hans Lauwerier, "Fractals : Endlessly repeated
> geometrical figures" published in the Princeton Science Library,
> Princeton University Press, ASIN: 0691024456 (Amazon.com price $
> 13.56).
  There is also a Penguin Book edition of this excellent fractal primer
published in 1991 ( ISBN 0-14-014411-0) still readily available  in th UK.
  Ian Entwistle
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