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fractint-digest         Tuesday, June 23 1998         Volume 01 : Number 241




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:56:53 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

Faye,

 - My thanks to you Christian for your attempt to help me find an MS-DOS
 - solution but an MS-DOS window using F8 then 6 or shutdown and restart
 - in MS-DOS mode only gets you to a command prompt.

Congratulations, you just found DOS.  Microsoft just hid it a little.  It
may be "Windows 95 DOS", rather than MS-DOS in a more basic form, but it is
DOS and it will run DOS programs just fine.

You can also run DOS FractInt from inside Windows itself.  You do not need
to restart in DOS mode.  In your Start/Programs menu you should have a "DOS
Prompt" option; that starts what is commonly dubbed a "DOS box" and will
also run DOS programs, albeit with a few more limitations.  FractInt runs
fine in such a "DOS box"; I do it all the time on my own OSR2 system.

The reason you can't dual-boot on OSR2 is because MS flubbed something in
their boot code to make it not work.  There are some non-MS patches to make
it work again, but nothing official from MS; as far as they are concerned,
it's not an issue, because OSR2 was never sold to end users, and thus was
only ever installed on new systems (which didn't have a previous OS to
boot).  The procedure you describe for setting up dual-boot on original
Windows 95 is certainly correct; I've done it many times before.

DOS has a 2G partition limit, true.  OSR2 simply adds a new type of
partition, that can be any size (practically).  Most programs simply don't
care, because they're not dealing with hard drives at this level.  You can
still run a lot of DOS apps without worrying about it.  Only programs which
work on the file system on the hard drive (like ScanDisk, Defrag, etc.) are
a problem.

OSR2 does still sit on top of a DOS.  It's its own DOS, but it's still DOS.
 If you've got a bit partition, you need to make an OSR2 boot disk; if you
boot that, you will be able to see your C: drive just fine.  Just think of
OSR2's DOS as a newer version of DOS with a new format for your hard drives.

 - Fractint and some other programs require MS-DOS version 5.0, 6.0, 6.1,
 - 6.2, or 6.22 to run properly.

Small note: not only does FractInt run fine from the OSR2 command prompt
(which is Windows 95 DOS, as the "ver" command showed you) but it also runs
fine from PC-DOS and, I suspect, from DR-DOS or most other DOS variants as
well.  It doesn't require *Microsoft* DOS; it simply requires something
that is substantially compatible with it.  It's not that picky!

Damien M. Jones   \\
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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:27:21 +0100
From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

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Christian Strik wrote:

> John Misterio' wrote:
> >In this list you are not allowed to include files as attachements. So we
> >just copy them into the body.
>
> Huh? Okay, atts aren't favored. We've had that disc. But "are not allowed" -
> i never heard of such a rule. Or it should be said on the list before April
> 15 this year - the day i joined this list. But i guess not, for discussion
> of the atts issue took (amongst other times?) place after this date.
>
> Christian
>

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Faye Williams wrote:

> I wanted to know why the pars and formulas are sent by text instead of being
> attached as a par file or frm file.

It is the policy of this list not to send attachments. The pars and formulas
which appear as text here are easily converted into par and frm files
respectively by copying and pasting them into Notepad or another text editor and

saving them with the proper extension. That is what all of us are doing.

....

Hmmm
I've never tried to send an attachement to this list. But this mail shows me
that it is impossible to send attachements here. This would not be something
new.
I just think that's a good idea to prevent people from sending attachements (to
spam others).

If here is an attachement (a small picture), the listserver allows attachements
:

Markus

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:35:42 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

>On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, John C. A. Misterio' wrote:
>> In this list you are not allowed to include files as attachements.
>
>When did this policy go into effect?  It would be sort of nice (it
>would stop people from posting those darn multipart/alternative
>text/html text/plain messages) but I haven't heard of it before.
>
>Kragen


You once posted you were able to cat the atts. I understood you are kind of
a keyboard freak - :) - just like me although i also use winNT. So the
simple cat command wouldn't be so hard, would it? Don't know about Elm.

But i wonder really, - how do you 'cut and paste' from Linux/Solaris (Pine)?

Christian






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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:25:38 +0100
From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: Mandelbrots and 3DNow!

David Ellis wrote:

> Perhaps if someone on this list who speaks German could go poke around C'T
> Magazine's web site and locate their mandelbrot program (and source,
> perhaps).  The English section is very limited and I can't find the program
> they are talkingabout anywhere.  Especially if we can obtain the source
> code that utilizes the 3DNow! code, then we will now how they manage to
> generate mandelbrots with it.
>
> http://www.heise.de/ct/
>
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I'm trying. Give me some time...

Markus


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Christian Strik wrote:
> You once posted you were able to cat the atts.

Yah, to read an attachment, I type v<downarrow>|cat<cr>.  Then I type
eei to get back to the list of messages, or een to get to the next
message.  It's a lot more pain than just reading a message -- to read a
message,  I look at the screen (maybe hit space to page down), and then
hit i or n to move to another message.  I use Pine.

>  I understood you are kind of
> a keyboard freak - :) - just like me although i also use winNT.

Well, I'm typing this on winnt anyway :)

>  So the
> simple cat command wouldn't be so hard, would it? Don't know about Elm.
>
> But i wonder really, - how do you 'cut and paste' from Linux/Solaris (Pine)?

Well, if I were running winfract on my NT machine, I'd highlight the
text in my telnet window, hit return, open notepad, and hit Ctrl-V.  If
I were running Xfractint on my Linux machine, I'd highlight the text in
my mailer with the left button, open an editor, and hit the middle
button.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:24:29 -0700
From: "Faye Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

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   =20
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:35:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Faye Williams wrote:
>     From: Kim Bach Petersen <[e-mail]>
>     Is there any specific reason (besides tradition) why .PAR files is
>     pasted into the email text rather than included as an attachment file?
>     I for one would find the latter more convenient.
>
> I'm sure a lot of the people with MS would find it much more convenient too!

While I firmly believe that we ought to support the disabled, I fail to
see the connection between multiple sclerosis and email attachments.
Could you explain it in more detail, please?  :)

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:28:20 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

>Hmmm
>I've never tried to send an attachement to this list. But this mail shows
me
>that it is impossible to send attachements here. This would not be
something
>new.
>I just think that's a good idea to prevent people from sending attachements
(to
>spam others).
>
>If here is an attachement (a small picture), the listserver allows
attachements
>:
>
>Markus
>


Markus. I think your attachment did not have to be sent. There are others on
the list who send atts (like mctupper).

Further: **********IF********** attachments are sent,
***********DON'T************** send binaries. I'm not saying this for
myself, but for the list.

No offense.

Christian




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:17:42 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

A few comments:

>My thanks to you Christian for your attempt to help me find an MS-DOS
>solution but an MS-DOS window using F8 then 6 or shutdown and restart in
>MS-DOS mode only gets you to a command prompt.

Yes. But that's the goal, not? Sorry, but i can't see the problem then.

>I have OSR2 on my present
>system (Second release of Windows 95). I once had a dual operating system
on
>my drive but it is not possible with OSR2.
>If you still have the older
>Windows 95 it will work, but only if you install MS-DOS 6.22 (or other
>version).

As long as you're using fat16, most bootmanagers allow you to use multiple
oses. I myself have msdos6.00, msdos7.00 and msdos7.10 on one drive, from
which i also boot nt and linux. Works perfectI find dos 7.5 a strange name,
for win98 comes with 7.1... [note: i have msdos7.10 from win98, but i
haven't installed the win98 gui].

>First, copy the dos dir to another dir, install Windows 95 to a
>different dir than Windows 3.1 or 3.11 Windows for Workgroups, edit the MS
>Dos.sys file from the Windows 95 side (boot to Windows 95) add under
options
>'BootMulti=1' and 'BootMenu=1'. Delete the dos dir and copy the contents of
>the saved dos back to the original dos dir renaming 5 files that end in
.exe
>to .old and that is it. Two fully independent os's working on the same
>machine. The reason why OSR2 won't work with this setup is that it has a
>certain capabilities that the Windows 95 or DOS os's don't have. DOS has a
2
>Gb partition limitation.

This is with fat16, not? I don't know for sure, but i believe the 2GB limit
is only set to 2TB if you use fat32. This of course conflicts with older dos
versions.

>Windows 95 was released with DOS 7.5. Windows 95
>sat atop of this DOS 7.5 so it too had this 2 GB limitation. OSR2 is it's
>own os. NO DOS. This os allows one drive to be partitioned at nearly any
>size. For instance, my drive C is 8 Gb. When you goto fdisk (set up
>partitions) with OSR2 it asks if you want to enable large disk support.
This
>8 Gb partition (drive c) is not recognized by any version of DOS or
previous
>versions of Windows 95.

So fat32. I think the problem isn't so much osr2-related, more
fat32-related. If you'd use fat16 instead, everything would work the normal
way. By the way, don't you think 8 GB is a bit *too* much for one partition?

>If I boot to a floppy,  drive c does not even show
>up!! When I drop to a command prompt (it says ms-dos prompt because it
>emulates a dos prompt) it is just that, a command prompt, not MS-Dos. If
you
>type ver at this command prompt you will see it still is Windows 95.

This is normal. The ver command isn't really useful. Command.com replies
this 'Windows 95'. You *are* in command.com though, which should do for
fractint (i hope :) ).

>Fractint and some other programs require MS-DOS version 5.0, 6.0 ,6.1 ,6.2,
>or 6.22 to run properly.

Really tried this? For fractint, i mean? As far as i know conflicts can only
arise if apps write directly (via the bios, i mean, instead of via dos) to
the harddisk.

>The first version of Windows 95 placed atop of
>MS-DOS 7.5 also does not work with some programs. The only way to run
>fractint is to boot to a DOS 6.22 formatted floppy. That is what I have to
>do.
>

In all, i have a rather contradicting view. But i could as well be wrong. I
only once tried fat32, but not long enough to know.

Christian




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:49:12 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) RE: Mandelbrots and 3DNow!

>Perhaps if someone on this list who speaks German could go poke around C'T
>Magazine's web site and locate their mandelbrot program (and source,
>perhaps).  The English section is very limited and I can't find the program
>they are talkingabout anywhere.  Especially if we can obtain the source
>code that utilizes the 3DNow! code, then we will now how they manage to
>generate mandelbrots with it.
>
>http://www.heise.de/ct/
>


I tried the http and ftp site, but couldn't find it. On the http site, the
subject was listed in volume 98/12, but there was no link.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:13:58 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

Christian,

 - By the way, don't you think 8 GB is a bit *too* much for one partition?

The problem with making big partitions prior to FAT32 was that as you
increased the size of the partition, you increased the size of the
allocation unit--with a 2G partition, space was always allocated to files
in 32K chunks.  That means if your file is only 1K, it still uses 32K, and
if it grows th 33K, it takes up 64K of disk space.

With FAT32, the entire situation changes, because FAT32 allows small
allocation units again.  For an 8G partition, I think it's 4K or 8K
(although I would have to check to make sure).  That makes it completely
reasonable to have a single partition that size, and not have to worry
about partitioning at all.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:20:55 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) RE: win98 GUI?

Someone on the list (I forgot to note who) said:

>> i have msdos7.10 from win98, but i
>> haven't installed the win98 gui

I'm wondering how this is possible...

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:26:41 +0200
From: "Paul J. Gellings" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Introductory Fractals Book

Hi there,

In several letters in the FractInt list questions were asked about
introductory books on fractals.

In the answers, but also in the Fractint documentation I missed a very good
book (although I may be biased because the author is a Dutchman as I am!)
which gives a general introduction into fractals, with an appendix on
complex numbers and also one with a number of (very) simple BASIC programs
for fractal calculations of a large number of different types.

The book I mean is by Hans Lauwerier, "Fractals : Endlessly repeated
geometrical figures" published in the Princeton Science Library, Princeton
University Press, ASIN: 0691024456 (Amazon.com price $ 13.56).


Here you see the description of this book by Amazon:
Book Description
Fractals are shapes in which an identical motif repeats itself on an
ever diminishing scale. A coastline, for instance, is a fractal, with
each bay or headland having its own smaller bays and headlands--as is a
tree with a trunk that separates into two smaller side branches, which
in their turn separate into side branches that are smaller still. No
longer mathematical curiosities, fractals are now a vital subject of
mathematical study, practical application, and popular interest. For
readers interested in graphic design, computers, and science and
mathematics in general, Hans Lauwerier provides an accessible
introduction to fractals that makes only modest use of mathematical
techniques. Lauwerier calls this volume a "book to work with." Readers
with access to microcomputers can design new figures, as well as
re-create famous examples. They can start with the final chapter, try
out one of the programs described there (preferably in a compiled
version such as TURBO BASIC), and consult the earlier chapters for
whatever is needed to understand the fractals produced in this way. The
first chapter, which builds on the relationship of binary number systems
to the "tree fractal" described above, is the best place to start if one
has no computer. There will be much to enjoy on the way, including the
beautiful color illustrations.

And this descriptions does not say too much!

I hope some of you will like this book as much as I do.

Kindest regards,

Paul J. Gellings





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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:23:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Christian Strik wrote:
> Further: **********IF********** attachments are sent,
> ***********DON'T************** send binaries. I'm not saying this for
> myself, but for the list.

Why not?  A 4K .gif is similar to a 4K mail message, no?

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:19:11 -0700
From: chris landrum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

If ya'll have icq, (or not but would like to...www.mirabilis.com) might
be helpful to do a chat discussion a couple times a week....

chris

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Christian Strik wrote:
> > Further: **********IF********** attachments are sent,
> > ***********DON'T************** send binaries. I'm not saying this for
> > myself, but for the list.
>
> Why not?  A 4K .gif is similar to a 4K mail message, no?
>
> Kragen
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote:
> The problem with making big partitions prior to FAT32 was that as you
> increased the size of the partition, you increased the size of the
> allocation unit

There are other problems with having huge partitions (scandisk time,
SPOFs, etc.) but they're off-topic for this list.

Kragen


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:29:19 -0500
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

Kragen,

 - Why not?  A 4K .gif is similar to a 4K mail message, no?

I've been told that Juno deep-sixes any message that has an attachment.
Not only does the attachment vanish, but the message also.

(Of course, I don't use Juno, so I can't verify this.)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:33:50 +0100
From: Michael Bell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) DOS on a floppy??  YES!

RJ Corradino wrote:
>
> I find this quite confusing.  I do have OSR2 running, and I tried out a ver
> at the command prompt.  It does say Windows 95, not dos.  Neat.
>
> Only weird thing is, Fractint runs fine for me.  Is this just a partitioning
> thing then?  I'm on a 5.2 gig HD...
>
> -RJ
>
> Faye wrote;
> To Christian and Steve,
> I forwarded this message to the computer expert here who set up my computer
> and all the computers for my company.  He's an electronic engineer and a
> computer technician.  He's been working
> on computer for over 18 years from the old teletype in a sound proof room
> through the Apple II, Apple II Plus, Commodore, IBM-PC, 286, 386, 486,
> Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium MMX, and finally the Pentium II. He's also
> worked with higher end systems such as SUN, SGI, VME, and SciTech. He's
> worked with MS-DOS versions 5.0, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.22, and 7.5 (released with
> Windows 95). and also other os's such as OS/2, OSR2, Linux, UNIX, and
> Macintosh. He presently owns 7 systems doing highend video, graphics and
> animation.  This is his explanation as to why why I don't have DOS on my
> system.
> My thanks to you Christian for your attempt to help me find an MS-DOS
> solution but an MS-DOS window using F8 then 6 or shutdown and restart in
> MS-DOS mode only gets you to a command prompt. I have OSR2 on my present
> system (Second release of Windows 95). I once had a dual operating system on
> my drive but it is not possible with OSR2. If you still have the older
> Windows 95 it will work, but only if you install MS-DOS 6.22 (or other
> version). First, copy the dos dir to another dir, install Windows 95 to a
> different dir than Windows 3.1 or 3.11 Windows for Workgroups, edit the MS
> Dos.sys file from the Windows 95 side (boot to Windows 95) add under options
> 'BootMulti=1' and 'BootMenu=1'. Delete the dos dir and copy the contents of
> the saved dos back to the original dos dir renaming 5 files that end in .exe
> to .old and that is it. Two fully independent os's working on the same
> machine. The reason why OSR2 won't work with this setup is that it has a
> certain capabilities that the Windows 95 or DOS os's don't have. DOS has a 2
> Gb partition limitation. Windows 95 was released with DOS 7.5. Windows 95
> sat atop of this DOS 7.5 so it too had this 2 GB limitation. OSR2 is it's
> own os. NO DOS. This os allows one drive to be partitioned at nearly any
> size. For instance, my drive C is 8 Gb. When you goto fdisk (set up
> partitions) with OSR2 it asks if you want to enable large disk support. This
> 8 Gb partition (drive c) is not recognized by any version of DOS or previous
> versions of Windows 95. If I boot to a floppy,  drive c does not even show
> up!! When I drop to a command prompt (it says ms-dos prompt because it
> emulates a dos prompt) it is just that, a command prompt, not MS-Dos. If you
> type ver at this command prompt you will see it still is Windows 95 .
> Fractint and some other programs require MS-DOS version 5.0, 6.0 ,6.1 ,6.2,
> or 6.22 to run properly. The first version of Windows 95 placed atop of
> MS-DOS 7.5 also does not work with some programs. The only way to run
> fractint is to boot to a DOS 6.22 formatted floppy. That is what I have to
> do.
>
> Faye
> [e-mail]
>

Hi,

This sounds like rubbish to me (no offence meant) - because I use MS-DOS
all the time,
through the MS-DOS prompt, restart in mode *and* by using F8,6 on
startup.  I am using
OSR2 with a 3.2G drive formatted FAT32.  I have not yet found a single
DOS app that
doesn't like FAT32 or anything else Windowsish about my DOS box/mode.
The only thing
that doesn't work with FAT32 is Drivespace 3 - but that's just
Microsoft's wonderful
software development teams.

Sorry that this is a little off topic...

Michael.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:32:47 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par-files

At 03:29 PM 6/23/1998 -0500, you wrote:
Damien,
>
> - Why not?  A 4K .gif is similar to a 4K mail message, no?
>
>I've been told that Juno deep-sixes any message that has an attachment.
>Not only does the attachment vanish, but the message also.
>
>(Of course, I don't use Juno, so I can't verify this.)

Juno does indeed deep six attachments. I _think_ in the past I have
received basic messages w/o the attachment, but won't swear to it.
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:51:52 +1000
From: David Burnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Printing large fractals

What software can be used for printing large fractals.
I have been using Epson printers since the first week the Stylus series were
released, and can thoroughly recommend them. I use 2560 * 1920 resolution for A4
printing, (which presumes a dithering matrix of 6*6  @ 1440 dpi).
I have recently bought a 1520, which can print up to A2 and banner rolls of A2
width up to 15 meters long, although I thing I would need to refill the ink
cartridges several times to do that.
Now that I want to print on A2 (or larger), the program I have been using
(Halo's Desktop Imager) gives up the ghost (it seems to be limited to 4000*4000
pixel bitmaps. - though it is a rather old version).

So - what software does anyone use to print larger images.
And - does anyone know if 2650 * 1920 is the optimal resolution for A4 on a 1440
dpi printer. (I know epson doesn't really use a dithering matrix, but I have to
start somewhere)

regards David


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:20:38 +0200
From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Introductory Fractals Book

Paul J. Gellings <[e-mail]> wrote:

(introduction snipped)
>The book I mean is by Hans Lauwerier, "Fractals : Endlessly repeated
>geometrical figures" published in the Princeton Science Library, Princeton
>University Press, ASIN: 0691024456 (Amazon.com price $ 13.56).
(description snipped)

For the listmembers from the Netherlands, Belgium and maybe even from South
Africa: off course this book is also available in Dutch. It is called
"Fractals - meetkundige figuren in eindeloze herhaling" , published by
Aramith Uitgevers Amsterdam, ISBN 90 6834 031 x. I don't know the original
price, I bought it at De Slegte (a very big second hand bookshop in The
Netherlands) for only 15 guilders (about 275 BEF).

Anyway, I can confirm it is a very good book. The math never exceeds high
school level (although I can only tell about Dutch high school level). It
even has suggestions about what parts to skip if you are not very much
interested in theory. It also has some real life examples of fractals,
including the artwork of M.C. Escher (a Dutchman as well, by the way). It
even tells how you can make fractals out of paper!

bye for now
Jacco
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