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fractint Digest      Tuesday, September 30 1997      Volume 01 : Number 021



In this issue:

    Re: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    (fractint) New URL
    (fractint) An interesting fractal
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    (fractint) 3D formula
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    (fractint) Algorithms of XLock
    (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug?
    Re: (fractint) 3D formula
    (fractint) Xfractint
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Xfractint
    Re: (fractint) Xfractint
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal
    Re: (fractint) 3D formula
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:10:37 +2
From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals

le 26 Sep 97 a 23:01, Dirk Meyer ecrivait (Dirk Meyer wrote) :

> Hallo!
>
> I want to call your attention to my image gallery of 3d quaternion
> fractals (fractint┤s quatjul type shows 2d intersections of these
> objects)
> The URL is:
> http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~phy11733/index_e.html
>
> and I want to ask if there is interest in supporting real 3d fractals in
> future versions of fractint, or if any work is in progress concerning
> this point. (I myself would be _very_ interested, and perhaps I could
> help on coding.)
>
> Dirk Meyer.
>
Hi Dirk,

Very beautiful quaternions : great pages ! I will look at the program when
I will have time.

Jean-Pierre



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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:19:20 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Sean wrote:

>   You're not going crazy, Paul.  My fractint.cfg file had the same errors
> in it before I went in and hand-edited it.  And I too got my copy from
> Spanky.

I'm not ready to say Paul is crazy yet <grin!>, but I haven't seen
this problem.

I do recall, though, that the feature that allows you to edit your
your fractint.cfg from within Fractint was broken in recent earlier
versions. I didn't notice this because I never use it (in fact I
can't even remember now how to invoke fractint.cfg editing!) If you
tried to edit your fractint.cfg from within Fractint it trashed the
file along the lines that Paul mentioned. However even then it would
be OK when you first installed Fractint, and would stay OK if you
avoided editing.

If anyone can duplicate Paul's problem please let me know.

Tim


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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:34:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

>
>Sean wrote:
>
>>   You're not going crazy, Paul.  My fractint.cfg file had the same errors
>> in it before I went in and hand-edited it.  And I too got my copy from
>> Spanky.
>
>I'm not ready to say Paul is crazy yet <grin!>, but I haven't seen
>this problem.
>
>I do recall, though, that the feature that allows you to edit your
>your fractint.cfg from within Fractint was broken in recent earlier
>versions. I didn't notice this because I never use it (in fact I
>can't even remember now how to invoke fractint.cfg editing!) If you
>tried to edit your fractint.cfg from within Fractint it trashed the
>file along the lines that Paul mentioned. However even then it would
>be OK when you first installed Fractint, and would stay OK if you
>avoided editing.
>
>If anyone can duplicate Paul's problem please let me know.

Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at
Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on
the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can
the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus
version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky.

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:03:47 +2
From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New URL

Hi all,

On account of modifications of aliases on the university network, the URL
for my personal fractal pages is now

http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html (French version)

and

http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0a.html (English version)

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 12:27:48 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Dewey Odhner)
Subject: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Using the following formula with parameter (0, -1) I get a fractal with
threefold symmetry that contains miniatures of itself and of the M-set.
It appears to be simply connected but not locally connected.  The
boundary appears to have some neighborhoods with fractal dimension one,
and some with dimension two.  What do people know about this?

test97c {; Dewey Odhner
  c = Pixel, d = p1*flip(Pixel), z = Sqr(c)+d:
   z = Sqr(Sqr(z)+c)+d
    LastSqr <= 4
  }

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:55:56 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Dewey Odhner wrote

>Using the following formula with parameter (0, -1) I get a fractal with
>threefold symmetry that contains miniatures of itself and of the M-set.
>It appears to be simply connected but not locally connected.  The
>boundary appears to have some neighborhoods with fractal dimension one,
>and some with dimension two.  What do people know about this?
I set it up this way, as a par file. When I zoom in or out, the image
disappears. Why?
Am I missing something? It would be most helpful if formula were
accompanied
by a par file with required frills like float settings indicated.  It is
easy for you to
make one, just press B.  Then we can see the same thing you see.

Jay



frm:test97c {; Dewey Odhner
  c = Pixel, d = p1*flip(Pixel), z = Sqr(c)+d:
   z = Sqr(Sqr(z)+c)+d
    LastSqr <= 4
  }
test97c               {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=test97c.par formulaname=test97c
  center-mag=-0.5/6e-008/0.6666667 maxiter=500 params=0/-1
  colors=0D0000<15>9Tx<24>24N13M12K00I00H<14>001000000<2>800B00F10I10<4>W4\
  0Z50a60c70e80g90jB0<2>oE0qF0sH0tJ0vK0wM0xN0<4>zV0zW0yT0<2>sJ0qF0nE0mE0<4\
  >Z80W60T50Q30O30<3>E10C00B00<10>100000100200<5>B0AD0CE0F<20>k0w<7>N0QK0M\
  J0L<17>401000<2>010020040<26>0d00f00e0<25>080060050030020000000
  }




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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:16:34 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)

> Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at
> Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on
> the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can
> the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus
> version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky.


    Hmm. I was about to say that this didn't happen and that
the copy at spanky has been consistent, but I have a vague memory
of getting the fractint 19.6 version twice. I'm sure that the copy
I currently have has been untouched since the official announcement
of the 19.6 release, but I did have a copy of 19.6 available in the
directories for a day or two prior to this, (8-MAY-1997). It might have
been possible for eager fractint users to stumble on this near release
version and it might be (Tim can you comment on this?) responsible for the
problems reported.

    Noel Giffin

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:48:10 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Jay wrote:

> I set it up this way, as a par file. When I zoom in or out, the image
> disappears. Why?

This is a known bug in the formula-in-par feature in 19.6. We have
already fixed it in our developer version. The workaround for now is
to cut the formula out of the par file and put it in a formula
file. This is a good idea anyway.

Tim


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:31:55, -0500
From: [e-mail] (MR CHARLES F CROCKER)
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Running test97c in the default mode results in some strange patterns in the
low count area. FP gets rid of all of them so they must be integer
artifacts.( But actually aren't all fractals some kind of an artifact?) I
find the figure particularly intriguing for several reasons. It is very
similar to the results from the Prop formula with two notable differences.
The pattern fits in a circle that is extremely close to a diameter of three
where Prop fits in a diameter four circle, and the low count borders are
radically different.(I assume everyone has the Orgform compilation)

Prop is the map for connected Julia sets, see JuliaP, but I can't see just
how to write the Julia form for test97c.

Looking at details in the higher count areas gives results that are
remarkably similar on casual inspection as these two parameter files show.

TendrilP           { ; Both mini figure and apparent Mini Mandelbrot
                     ; P90 640X480 time  0:00:47.29
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Prop
  center-mag=1.13084/0.161267/25.06297/0.9998
  }

Tendril_97         { ; Both mini figure and apparent Mini Mandelbrot
                     ; From Deweys formula
                     ; P90 640X480 time  0:00:16.15
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c
  center-mag=-1.13212/0.166896/24.57068/0.9998 params=0/-1
  }

Sometimes trying to find analytic reasons for for why things are the way
they are makes sense, and other times I feel that there is no reason at all
and the results should just be accepted. I sent a copy of Prop to Cliff
Pickover some time ago and his question was why the three way symmetry, and
he's the mathematician.

Charles

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:45:40 -0700
From: cindy mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 3D formula

Hi, I keep coming across par files that call for 3D formulas and
3Dfractint.frm. Where can I find this file?

. ThanksYou,
        Cindy


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:01:55, -0500
From: [e-mail] (MR CHARLES F CROCKER)
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Well I've done it again. Like the parachutist whose parachute failed to
open, I have jumped to a wrong conclusion. From a radius of the squareroot
of three I jumped to a diameter of three. Blame it on too much Mandelbrot
set where a radius ot two gives four for both diameter and an escape value
when it is squared.

Until Dewey mentioned it I never gave much thought to the apparently smooth
border area. As the itteration count goes up thin lines gradually creep
into the smooth area without any suggestion of interesting detail. If I can
accept that the Mandelbrot set is connected by threads with an
infinitesimal width it seems equally acceptable that the smooth border will
eventually completely break up.

Any math wizards care to comment?

Charles

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:34:40 +0200
From: Markus Koesler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Algorithms of XLock

Hello all,

my question doesn't relate to Fractint but it's also about fractals
and graphic programming. I'm working on a Unix machine and on this
machine is a screen saver called "xlock" which creates nice animations
with fractals and other stuff.
My question : Do someone know the algorithms for some of these
animations because I want to program these animations on my private
PC. I looked into the source code, but in the code is to much XWindows
stuff I don't know ( And I'm also to lazy to analyze the whole code :-)
So if someone could send me some information I will be very surprised.

Thanks, ciao Markus Koesler

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:19:09 +0100
From: Roelf Renkema <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug?

Still can't get 9.6 up and running on my machine. I installed a new
graphics card but it still won't go.
Is does run an older machine but this baby here says no and:

I'm using the dos version 19.6.
Now under DOS it just won't startup and crashes my system (a Cyrix
486-dx2 66Mhz)
Under Win95 I get the message that it's using a wrong instruction and
halts on
391D:0BE0 interupts used none

So I think (but who am I) that there is a problem in the code.

So I now give you Fractint programmers the option:

Turn the code upside down
or
Deliver a new window version

or else

I will go play somewhere else.

Ha must be a hard choice for you guys and girls &8-D



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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:11:34 -0700
From: "Mike or Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 3D formula

Hi, Cindy.  I'm Linda.

Some of what you are seeing may be the way your software (or their
software) decodes (or encodes) the files.  Sometimes the par and frm files
I see throw a "3D" in front of every "=" sign.  Look at what you are
getting and if that appears possible, just delete the "3D", re-save the
.par and .frm files, and try them out.  That may solve the problem.

Good Luck!
Linda

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(the last 16 fractals uploaded to alt.binaries.pictures.fractals,
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:34:20 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Xfractint

I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC
verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's
Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris.
I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile.
Make
then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about
stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something.
I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp
then that works.
Then the help files won't compile.
So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help.
Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says...
undefined symbol first referenced in file

socket    /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so
and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create......

Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :(

Hoppy


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

Charles wrote:

> If I can accept that the Mandelbrot set is connected by threads with an
> infinitesimal width it seems equally acceptable that the smooth border
will
> eventually completely break up.

Since within a vanishingly small distance of any point on the MSet there
is a smaller but not zero sized midget, how can we say the threads have
an infinitesimal width? Do you mean nonsero width?

As for your question,   I don't see the smooth boarder you are seeing.
Could you post par files of the twop extreams?


Jay



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Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:26:49 +0200
From: Goswin Brederlow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]> writes:

> From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
>
> > Clearly a bad archive got distributed and replaced in short order at
> > Spanky. Probably, the bad archive was created after some cfg-editing on
> > the part of the distributor using the buggy version of the editor. (Can
> > the cfg bug cause the btrace hang though?) I shall replace the bogus
> > version on the other machine with a new copy from Spanky.
>
> [sniped]

I had many hands with btrace with an older Amiga Version of
fractint. With my new gfx card and a newer version the problem is
gone. This could be the same bug happening with odd configs. Would it
be usefull if I test this with the old gfx and/or the old version? The
Amiga Version is different and the bug could be completley different.

May the Source be with you.
            Mrvn


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Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:33:30 +0200
From: Goswin Brederlow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Xfractint

[e-mail] writes:

> I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC
> verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's
> Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris.
> I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile.
> Make
> then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about
> stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something.
> I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp
> then that works.
> Then the help files won't compile.
> So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help.
> Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says...
> undefined symbol first referenced in file
>
> socket    /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so
> and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create......
>
> Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :(
>
> Hoppy

Not very informative. What comandline is used to link the .o files?
Do you have all the -L and -l things correct?

Please give a cut&waste of the commandline the make uses and the
errors (run it in emacs with alt-x shell and attach the buffer to
your mail).

May the Source be with you.
            Mrvn

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Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:33:30 +0200
From: Goswin Brederlow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Xfractint

[e-mail] writes:

> I am having terrible trouble compiling this thing - I use the PC
> verion a lot, and I would like to complile fractint to run on the uni's
> Ultrasparcs. They are running solaris.
> I edit the makefile as specified in the makefile.
> Make
> then it makes hc.o and unix.o, then tells me something rude about
> stricmp and strnicmp not existing or something.
> I edit unix.h, add #define stricmp strcmp and #define strnicmp strncmp
> then that works.
> Then the help files won't compile.
> So I edit Makefile, and tell it not to bother with help.
> Fine. It makes all the o files quite happily, but then says...
> undefined symbol first referenced in file
>
> socket    /ee/a0/apps/X11R6/lib/libX11.so
> and a pile of others. including get peername, xdrmem_create......
>
> Please can someone help me, I miss my fractals :(
>
> Hoppy

Not very informative. What comandline is used to link the .o files?
Do you have all the -L and -l things correct?

Please give a cut&waste of the commandline the make uses and the
errors (run it in emacs with alt-x shell and attach the buffer to
your mail).

May the Source be with you.
            Mrvn

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:40:28 -0600
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    [e-mail] (MR CHARLES F CROCKER)  writes:
> But actually aren't all fractals some kind of an artifact?

Nope :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:46:10 -0600
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 3D formula

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In article <[e-mail]> ,
    "Mike or Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> Some of what you are seeing may be the way your software (or their
> software) decodes (or encodes) the files.  Sometimes the par and frm files
> I see throw a "3D" in front of every "=" sign.  Look at what you are
> getting and if that appears possible, just delete the "3D", re-save the
> .par and .frm files, and try them out.  That may solve the problem.

What you're talking about is the way email messages are encoded.  They
are sometimes encoded in whats called "quoted-printable".  This means
that special characters are replaced with =XX, where XX is the
hexadecimal ASCII code for the character (so that the mail message
will pass cleanly through 7-bit ASCII systems which might strip off
the 8th bit, which is often used in European character encodings for
accents).  Similarly, all ='s are replaced with =3D, since 3D is the
hexadecimal ASCII code for =.  ASCII chart appended to this message
for reference.
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ascii(5)                                  ascii(5)



NAME
     ascii - map of ASCII character set

DESCRIPTION
     The ASCII character set defines a 1-to-1 mapping of characters to 8-bit
     values:

     octal:
     |000 nul |001 soh |002 stx    |003 etx |004 eot |005 enq |006    ack |007 bel |
     |010 bs  |011 ht  |012 nl    |013 vt     |014 np  |015 cr  |016    so  |017 si  |
     |020 dle |021 dc1 |022 dc2    |023 dc3 |024 dc4 |025 nak |026    syn |027 etb |
     |030 can |031 em  |032 sub    |033 esc |034 fs  |035 gs  |036    rs  |037 us  |
     |040 sp  |041 !   |042 "    |043 #     |044 $      |045 %   |046    &   |047 '   |
     |050 (   |051 )   |052 *    |053 +     |054 ,      |055 -   |056    .   |057 /   |
     |060 0   |061 1   |062 2    |063 3     |064 4      |065 5   |066    6   |067 7   |
     |070 8   |071 9   |072 :    |073 ;     |074 <      |075 =   |076    >   |077 ?   |
     |100 @   |101 A   |102 B    |103 C     |104 D      |105 E   |106    F   |107 G   |
     |110 H   |111 I   |112 J    |113 K     |114 L      |115 M   |116    N   |117 O   |
     |120 P   |121 Q   |122 R    |123 S     |124 T      |125 U   |126    V   |127 W   |
     |130 X   |131 Y   |132 Z    |133 [     |134 \      |135 ]   |136    ^   |137 _   |
     |140 `   |141 a   |142 b    |143 c     |144 d      |145 e   |146    f   |147 g   |
     |150 h   |151 i   |152 j    |153 k     |154 l      |155 m   |156    n   |157 o   |
     |160 p   |161 q   |162 r    |163 s     |164 t      |165 u   |166    v   |167 w   |
     |170 x   |171 y   |172 z    |173 {     |174 |      |175 }   |176    ~   |177 del |

     hexadecimal:
     | 00 nul |    01 soh | 02 stx    | 03 etx | 04 eot | 05 enq | 06    ack | 07 bel |
     | 08 bs  |    09 ht  | 0a nl    | 0b vt     | 0c np  | 0d cr  | 0e    so  | 0f si  |
     | 10 dle |    11 dc1 | 12 dc2    | 13 dc3 | 14 dc4 | 15 nak | 16    syn | 17 etb |
     | 18 can |    19 em  | 1a sub    | 1b esc | 1c fs  | 1d gs  | 1e    rs  | 1f us  |
     | 20 sp  |    21 !   | 22 "    | 23 #     | 24 $      | 25 %   | 26    &   | 27 '   |
     | 28 (   |    29 )   | 2a *    | 2b +     | 2c ,      | 2d -   | 2e    .   | 2f /   |
     | 30 0   |    31 1   | 32 2    | 33 3     | 34 4      | 35 5   | 36    6   | 37 7   |
     | 38 8   |    39 9   | 3a :    | 3b ;     | 3c <      | 3d =   | 3e    >   | 3f ?   |
     | 40 @   |    41 A   | 42 B    | 43 C     | 44 D      | 45 E   | 46    F   | 47 G   |
     | 48 H   |    49 I   | 4a J    | 4b K     | 4c L      | 4d M   | 4e    N   | 4f O   |
     | 50 P   |    51 Q   | 52 R    | 53 S     | 54 T      | 55 U   | 56    V   | 57 W   |
     | 58 X   |    59 Y   | 5a Z    | 5b [     | 5c \      | 5d ]   | 5e    ^   | 5f _   |
     | 60 `   |    61 a   | 62 b    | 63 c     | 64 d      | 65 e   | 66    f   | 67 g   |
     | 68 h   |    69 i   | 6a j    | 6b k     | 6c l      | 6d m   | 6e    n   | 6f o   |
     | 70 p   |    71 q   | 72 r    | 73 s     | 74 t      | 75 u   | 76    v   | 77 w   |
     | 78 x   |    79 y   | 7a z    | 7b {     | 7c |      | 7d }   | 7e    ~   | 7f del |

     decimal:
     |    0 nul |     1 soh |  2 stx    |  3 etx |  4 eot |  5 enq |  6    ack |  7 bel |
     |    8 bs  |     9 ht  | 10 nl    | 11 vt     | 12 np  | 13 cr  | 14    so  | 15 si  |
     | 16 dle |    17 dc1 | 18 dc2    | 19 dc3 | 20 dc4 | 21 nak | 22    syn | 23 etb |
     | 24 can |    25 em  | 26 sub    | 27 esc | 28 fs  | 29 gs  | 30    rs  | 31 us  |
     | 32 sp  |    33 !   | 34 "    | 35 #     | 36 $      | 37 %   | 38    &   | 39 '   |
     | 40 (   |    41 )   | 42 *    | 43 +     | 44 ,      | 45 -   | 46    .   | 47 /   |
     | 48 0   |    49 1   | 50 2    | 51 3     | 52 4      | 53 5   | 54    6   | 55 7   |
     | 56 8   |    57 9   | 58 :    | 59 ;     | 60 <      | 61 =   | 62    >   | 63 ?   |



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ascii(5)                                  ascii(5)



     | 64 @   |    65 A   | 66 B    | 67 C     | 68 D      | 69 E   | 70    F   | 71 G   |
     | 72 H   |    73 I   | 74 J    | 75 K     | 76 L      | 77 M   | 78    N   | 79 O   |
     | 80 P   |    81 Q   | 82 R    | 83 S     | 84 T      | 85 U   | 86    V   | 87 W   |
     | 88 X   |    89 Y   | 90 Z    | 91 [     | 92 \      | 93 ]   | 94    ^   | 95 _   |
     | 96 `   |    97 a   | 98 b    | 99 c     |100 d      |101 e   |102    f   |103 g   |
     |104 h   |105 i   |106 j    |107 k     |108 l      |109 m   |110    n   |111 o   |
     |112 p   |113 q   |114 r    |115 s     |116 t      |117 u   |118    v   |119 w   |
     |120 x   |121 y   |122 z    |123 {     |124 |      |125 }   |126    ~   |127 del |















































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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:55:47 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Sean wrote:

>  This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to
> announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to
> undermine
> the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook
> the
> obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light
> travel and crop circles.

    Oh-oh, my cover is blown. Now my plan to fractally replicate
humans, creating zombie clones and putting them in positions of power
to gain world domination for my evil empire is smashed. Run Bill!
I'll meet you on the far side of Arturis.

    On the other hand, is it possible that when you unzipped the
new version of fractint,  you might have used the option not to overwrite
existing versions of certain files, or as my previous note suggested, were
you one of the eager ones that picked up fractint from spanky in the
first day or two before the official release announcement?

    Is this still isolated to one or two cases? How many others
have had problems with the fractint.cfg file with the 19.6 release?

    Cheers,
    Or should I say "Farewell Earth Creatures"!

    Noel

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:13:49 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

    Some futher thoughts on this subject. If your copy of the frain196.zip
file is not 671707 bytes long, then you probably have a copy of the prerelease
version that I held for a few days, and you might experience some problems with it.

    Cheers,
    Noel

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:25:53 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Noel wrtoe:

>Is this still isolated to one or two cases? How many others
>have had problems with the fractint.cfg file with the 19.6 release?

How about posting the correct one (.cfg file) here? Or is there a byte
count
or other mark on the correct version of the .cfg and distribution .exe that
we
could check?

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:24:35 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Jay wrote:

> How about posting the correct one (.cfg file) here? Or is there a byte count
> or other mark on the correct version of the .cfg and distribution .exe that
> we could check?

    We seem to be anticipating each other here somewhat. As well as the
frain196.zip size of 671707 , the fractint.cfg file has a size of 14601 bytes
I don't have a handy utility to post checksums or CRC values for these files
though.  I could post the fractint.cfg file here, but it is 14 kbytes and I
didn't want to start getting hate mail from all the list members who aren't
concerned with this issue.

    Cheers,
    Noel

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:10:05 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Noel wrote:

>Some futher thoughts on this subject. If your copy of the frain196.zip
file is not 671707 bytes long, then you probably have a copy of the
prerelease
version that I held for a few days, and you might experience some problems
with it.


BINGO!   The early bird catches the bug!


Jay



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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:35:18, -0500
From: [e-mail] (MR CHARLES F CROCKER)
Subject: Re: (fractint) An interesting fractal

First another apology. I was so suprised by the figure that I didn't check
to carefully before posting. Test97c and Prop differ radically at low
counts. Count 2 on Test97c and count 4 on Prop appear virtually the same. I
never stopped to think that a height of 1.732 was a radius of 2 at 30
degrees. As far as I can tell the figures have the same dimensions and mini
high count areas appear at same relative locations.

Here are two parameter files to show what I think Dewey was refering to.

Fig1               { ; view of one side
                     ; P90 640X480 time  0:00:06.31
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c
  center-mag=-0.158581/0.22547/2.906977 params=0/-1 float=y
  maxiter=255
  }

Fig2               { ; raise count and zoom
                     ; looks like smooth lines
                     ; P90 640X480 time  0:04:11.28
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dewey.frm formulaname=test97c
  center-mag=-0.11277419260928540/+0.22362538875991570/7267442
  params=0/-1 float=y maxiter=1023
  }

Looking at the center of a side at a considerable magnification and a count
of 1023 it appears that we have a smooth border. But if we go down closer
to the chaotic appearing area and raise the count we see high count
filaments creeping twords the center. I suspect that at high enough counts
and magnification the apparently smooth side will break up everywhere.

One interesting feature is that with orbits and lines turned on the two
figures show radically different displays.

Charles

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