ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/v01.n020

Internet Message Format | 1997-09-27 | 42KB

From: [e-mail] (fractint Digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: fractint Digest V1 #20
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence:


fractint Digest      Saturday, September 27 1997      Volume 01 : Number 020



In this issue:

    Re: (fractint) Gallery update
    Re: (fractint) Video Cards
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Video Cards
    Re: (fractint) Video Cards
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    (fractint) Thanx
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!
    (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list
    Re: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not anti-aliasing)
    (fractint) Server failure
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!
    (fractint) Re: Alien Conspiracy
    Re: (fractint) url

See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint
or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: A M Kelley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Gallery update

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a couple new fractals in my
gallery (finally).--Alice
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/barker/3/Chessiecat.html



- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:27:45 +0000
From: "Michael E. Engelby" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards

> Date:          Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:26 -0400

> Tim,
>
>  - I've been talking to Number Nine tech support and they referred me to
>  - this Scitech Software program called the Display Doctor 5.3a, but even
>  - this program refuses to do anything for this card.
>
> If SciTech's software won't work with your card, then it's *really*
> orphaned. :)  For the record, when we wanted to use the Number Nine GXE
> card with Windows 95, Number Nine said they had no plans to write proper
> drivers for it, that they were no longer supporting the card.  They offered
> us an upgrade "deal", whereby we could send in the GXE and some money and
> they'd send us a new card they did support.  Problem was, the upgrade price
> was more than we could buy the new card for!  What a rip!  This experience
> really soured us on Number Nine.
>
>  - The Imagine 128 also doesn't support anything higher than DirectX 1.0
>  - and I just bought a game with DirectX5 on it.  So I am definitely
>  - looking into upgrading my system now.  I am hearing good things about
>  - the Millenium II from this list and the Diamond FireGL from some other
>  - friends.  I plan to make a move here very soon, so if you haven't put in
>  - your two cents I am urging you too!
>
(perfectly good stuff deleted)

I have never run FractInt on my system yet.  I just recently
downloaded Fractint 19.6 and was very disappointed to find out that
none of the Super VESA modes worked with my card.  I too, have tried
SciTech's software for a remedy but that exercise was futile.  I now
use the windows version 18.21 and it works fine.  Perhaps I will
attempt to port the current DOS version to windows.

As a side note:
I recently downloaded the DirectX 5.0 package from Mickysoft and it
works fine.  It does act sorta strangely when switching from a DOS
mode to my 1600x1200 res.  But that is liveable.

It is an outrage that Number Nine will not support their perfectly
good (slighty old) products.  That really torks me off.  I mean, my
card is only 1 yr 8 months old (purchase date) and it is rendered
obsolete.  Is the obsolescence date for computer hardware getting
faster or is it just me?

This is the card that I have.
Number Nine Product Name:  Imagine 128 Pro
          Processor Type:  Imagine 128, Revision 0
    Memory Configuration:  8 Megabytes VRAM
                  RAMDAC:  IBM RGB528
               BIOS Date:  01/07/94
           BIOS Revision:  1.03.04
          Driver Version:  v1.01.08

- -Mike Engelby



- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:13:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

My university's computer lab machines have an old fractint lying around
one of the network drives. It's version 16. When I first started using it
it was past version 17...


- --
    .*.  Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese]
 -()  <  When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix"
    `*'  bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me]
Paul Derbyshire [e-mail], http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:14:40 -0500
From: Wes Handrow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards

I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat
with a hole in the bottom.  Think about it, look how much things have
changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster
not slower.

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:42:23 -0600
From: Rich Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Cards

In article <[e-mail]> ,
    Wes Handrow <[e-mail]>  writes:
> I remind you that when you buy anything computer you've bought a boat
> with a hole in the bottom.  Think about it, look how much things have
> changed in just the last 3 years and the rate of change is going faster
> not slower.

Yep... when people ask me what's important to look for in a computer,
I always tell them to buy as much memory as you can afford.  This
helps keep older processors useful longer because new software always
increases in memory appetite.
- --
  ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.''  -- Steven Covey
 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
     3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D;        Rich Thomson
     email me for more info                [e-mail]

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:04:24 0
From: "David D. Singer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

Jon

After a bit of digging around, I have managed to find copies of
Fractint V2.1 and V5.1 (or Fract386 as it was known back then).

Let me know if you want copies of these and I will arrange to send
them to you (e-mail is easiest for me but I might be able to set up
a temporary ftp address if necessary - file sizes are 40.4K and
61.2K respectively).

Dave Singer

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:25:20 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1.


I think a complete colection is a good idea.

Jay



- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 15:11:00 +1
From: "P.Toth Andras" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Thanx

Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note
K|ldo: P.Toth Andras
Cmmzett: Fractint
Targy:  Thanx
Datum: 1997-09-25 15:11
Prioritas:
\zenetazonosmts: AE677A94
Beszilgetisazonosmts: AE677A94

##############################################################################

Thank you for your help about IFS fractals, Rich!

Andras

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:18:53 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

"Jay Hill" <[e-mail]> said:


> Dave wrote he has Fractint V2.1 and V5.1.

> I think a complete colection is a good idea.


    I think a complete archive of the fractint development is
a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because
I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold
all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages.

    Cheers,
    Noel Giffin

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:36:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael C Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote:

> "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]> said:
> > I think a complete colection is a good idea.
>
>     I think a complete archive of the fractint development is
> a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because
> I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold
> all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages.

I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server
that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases.

Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming
 which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls)
Include the version number in the file name!!!
Send me an email message
Wait patiently :)

- --
Michael C. Taylor <[e-mail]> <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/>
Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada
sci.fractals FAQ <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/>
Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:05:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

A Fractint V20 wish:

Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes
built into fractint as X screen options.  I have no idea if
this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run
faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess).

A Fractint19.6, 19.5, 19.4, ... etc thought:

A big thanks to all those who put Fractint together and who
share their work with us via this list, sci.fractals and the
various web pages:

TTTTTTT  H    H    AA    N    N  K  K   SSSS   O
   T     H    H   A  A   NN   N  K K    S      O
   T     HHHHHH  A    A  N N  N  KK     SSSS   O
   T     H    H  AAAAAA  N  N N  K K       S   O
   T     H    H  A    A  N   NN  K  K      S   O
   T     H    H  A    A  N    N  K   K  SSSS   .



(with apologies to actual ASCII artists for abusing their
medium)


- --
Mike Traynor

People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
    Abraham Lincoln

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:51:23 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

Mike asked:

> Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes
> built into fractint as X screen options.  I have no idea if
> this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run
> faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess).

I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in
Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other
offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an
additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring
algorithms.

Tim


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:59:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael C Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

> I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server
> that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases.
>
> Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming

David Singer uploaded copies of 2.1 and 5.1, and they are available from
 ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/

Also included 18.21 for Windows, 19.4 to 19.6 for DOS, including source
code.

- --
Michael C. Taylor <[e-mail]> <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/>
Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada
sci.fractals FAQ <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/>
Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/



- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:38:41 -0400
From: "Melissa D. Binde" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

And if for any chance that doesn't work, I can also offer space.


On Thu, Sep 25, 1997 at 06:36:06PM -0300, Michael C Taylor wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, NOEL_GIFFIN wrote:
>
> > "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]> said:
> > > I think a complete colection is a good idea.
> >
> >     I think a complete archive of the fractint development is
> > a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because
> > I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold
> > all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages.
>
> I might know a way too-busy programmer with a fractal-related server
> that might be able to find some space (!time) to hold all the releases.
>
> Submit them to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming
>  which is a 'blind' directory (no get or ls)
> Include the version number in the file name!!!
> Send me an email message
> Wait patiently :)
>
> --
> Michael C. Taylor <[e-mail]> <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/>
> Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada
> sci.fractals FAQ <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/>
> Banned Books Week - Sept 20-27 1997 - http://www.ala.org/bbooks/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
> Post Message:   [e-mail]
> Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
> Administrator:  [e-mail]
> Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"



- --
Melissa Binde  --  [e-mail]; finger for address, etc.
Outside the Asylum  --  http://www.terindell.com/
Babylon 5 Weekly Column -- http://babylon5.miningco.com
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't always know what I'm talking about, but I'm always pretty much
convinced that I'm right.
        -- musician Mojo Nixon

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:01:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

Tim,

One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional
coloring scheme added to both inside and outside.  A fractal can be
colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then,
decomp, and zmag options.  How about having a special variable (q?) that
can be used for the coloring.  It might work like this:  color index = q,
(which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index =
256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around).  Inside or outside or both
could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from
the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside
methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa.  Also, it should
compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or
decomp forms.  Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding
additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for
their own development.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kerry Mitchell
[e-mail]
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Tim Wegner wrote:

> Mike asked:
>
> > Have Damien M Jones' and other recent new colouring schemes
> > built into fractint as X screen options.  I have no idea if
> > this is feasible, but it would be extremely cool, and run
> > faster than having them as formulas (I'd guess).
>
> I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in
> Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other
> offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an
> additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring
> algorithms.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
> Post Message:   [e-mail]
> Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
> Administrator:  [e-mail]
> Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"
>



- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:55:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

In a message dated 97-09-26 05:50:07 EDT, you write:

<< I'm looking at implementing Linas Vepstas coloring algorithm in
 Fractint, and will certainly look at Damien's file and other
 offerings here. I'm also interested in the idea of adding an
 additional section in the formula file for user-defined coloring
 algorithms.
  >>

Tim,
Would it be possible to have (1) a formula parameter which would be the one
that is used for the color table lookup after escape, and (2) a formula
parameter which can turn on or off interpolation within the color table,
which might be a good way to provide true color and high color support, and
still be relatively backwards compatible. This is the approach I use with
Truemand so that I can use fractint color tables, and in some cases, fractint
formulae.
Ron Barnett

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write:

<< I think a complete archive of the fractint development is
 a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because
 I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold
 all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages.
  >>

Noel,
What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site.
Ron Barnett

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

In a message dated 97-09-26 12:06:01 EDT, you write:

<< One thing that occurred to me is that maybe there could be one additional
 coloring scheme added to both inside and outside.  A fractal can be
 colored by any function of z, by using a judicious combination of if/then,
 decomp, and zmag options.  How about having a special variable (q?) that
 can be used for the coloring.  It might work like this:  color index = q,
 (which would clamp to 0 or 255 for out of range values) or color index =
 256 * ( q mod 1) (which would wrap around).  Inside or outside or both
 could be independently set to q, which could decouple the coloring from
 the iteration number (no banding), and could allow some typically outside
 methods (decomp) to be used inside, and vice versa.  Also, it should
 compute quicker than a programmer's formula forced into the zmag or
 decomp forms.  Also, Stone Soup wouldn't have to worry about coding
 additional schemes (yet :-) they could just give users another tool for
 their own development.

  >>
Tim,
I would like to second Kerry's suggestions.
Ron Barnett

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:59:12 PST
From: NOEL_GIFFIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

    Hi,

    I just ftp'd my archive (incomplete) of Fractint versions to
Michael Taylor's incoming directory at Mt. Allison at:

    ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming


    He should now have:

    frain13R.zip,
    frain171.zip,
    frain181.zip,
    frain182.zip,
    frain191.zip,
    frain192.zip,
    frain193.zip,
    frain194.zip,
    frain195.zip,
    frain196.zip,
    fraint18.zip,
    fraint19.zip,
    frasr171.zip,
    frasr181.zip,
    frasr182.zip,
    frasr191.zip,
    frasr192.zip,
    frasr193.zip,
    frasr194.zip,
    frasr195.zip,
    frasr196.zip,
    frasrc13.zip,
    frasrc18.zip,
    frasrc19.zip,

    I'm sure he will make it available to public access very
soon.

    Others have asked for these and I just chose Michael's site
because he already has an ftp site set up and it was fast and convenient
for me to transfer.  This is far from complete and I know that Jon Noring
and others may have more complete sets but I think there are a few
here that were missing from Jon's list. Especially the source codes,
which I think are equally important.

    Cheers,
    Noel Giffin


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:09:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael C Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Much older versions of Fractint!

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-26 03:12:38 EDT, you write:
>
> << I think a complete archive of the fractint development is
>  a great idea. I have a partial collection, ( I took it off line, because
>  I needed the diskspace), but if someone has a site where they can hold
>  all the releases, I will definitely link it into the Fractint Web Pages.
>   >>
>
> Noel,
> What is the total space needed? I may have a few MG to spare at my web site.
> Ron Barnett

Ron,

I've already started collecting the old version online.

The ones available so far are at
  ftp://fractal.mta.ca/pub/fractals/fractint/

So far versions: 2.1 5.1 13 17.1 18 18.1 18.2 19 19.1 19.2 19.3 19.4
19.5 19.6 (most with source) and WinFractInt 17.3 and 18.21 (both w/ src).

Thanks to Noel Giffin and David Singer for their contributions.
 Future contributions can be sent to ftp://fractal.mta.ca/incoming/
 and please send me a note when you do so (I can move the files into the
correct spot).

- --
Michael C. Taylor <[e-mail]> <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/>
 Programmer, Computing Services, Mount Allison University, Canada
 sci.fractals FAQ <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/>
    fractal and cryptography archive <http://fractal.mta.ca/>


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:01:16 +0200
From: Dirk Meyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 3d quaternion fractals

Hallo!

I want to call your attention to my image gallery of 3d quaternion
fractals (fractint┤s quatjul type shows 2d intersections of these
objects)
The URL is:
http://wwwcip.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/~phy11733/index_e.html

and I want to ask if there is interest in supporting real 3d fractals in
future versions of fractint, or if any work is in progress concerning
this point.
(I myself would be _very_ interested, and perhaps I could help on
coding.)

Dirk Meyer.

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:18:07 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

Here are the Fractint versions I have, most with source. I've lost
track of which versions are still needed to make a complete
collections. Do I need to upload any of these?

Tim


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:30:26 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

Oops, I forgot to attach the list of versions I have to my message! I
left off the more recent ones since these are readily available.

0730
0810
0930
1000
1301
1400
1500
1510
1513
1611
1700
1710
1720
1800
1810
1820
1821FC

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:18:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint20 wish list

I can obtain an old version 16.something from my university computers, via
floppy disk to my home PC and upload to someplace.


- --
    .*.  Where feelings are concerned, answers are rarely simple [GeneDeWeese]
 -()  <  When I go to the theater, I always go straight to the "bag and mix"
    `*'  bulk candy section...because variety is the spice of life... [me]
Paul Derbyshire [e-mail], http://chat.carleton.ca/~pderbysh

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:46:08 -0400
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Smoothing color bands, revisited (not anti-aliasing)

Kerry,

Thanks for posting your refinements to the smooth coloring FRM I posted.  I
have examined what I did, and I think I've found the problem.  Since the
smooth coloring technique is used to interpolate the triangle-inequality
method (and others) further down in the FRM file, I'm examining them all to
see how the corrections I made will affect them.  I'm also not sure what to
do, since the corrections would probably change any images generated with
the formulae.

I would, however, like to point out a few things.  First, you point out
that sometimes a high iteration count is needed to bring out colors, due to
the way FractInt clips values from the real/imag coloring methods.  You are
absolutely right!  I have noticed this before, but didn't consider it
terribly important.  You simply showed that it was at least important to
you, and if you, why not others? :)  Fortunately this can be fixed by a
slight reworking of the formula, to make it wrap colors by itself.

This leaves us with the question of whether to return color values for use
with outside=real or decomp=256.  The two will not produce identical
results.  As you say, using outside=real is slightly faster (even reworked
as I indicate above), but this difference is almost inconsequential when
you consider the time invested in the coloring algorithm itself.  More
important, though, is whether colors wrap after 255 colors or 256.  Using
decomp=256 will use *all 256* colors for the outside of the fractal; using
outside=real uses only colors 1 through 255, leaving color 0 for the
inside.  Personally, I prefer the latter.

I believe commenting formulae will become increasingly important as they
become more like algorithms and less like simple mathematical expressions.
I've tried to comment my formulae so others can see where the fractal
formula ends, and the coloring algorithm begins.  If you have questions
about my techniques, you need only ask.

Damien M. Jones  /  temporary sanity designs  /  http://www.emi.net/~dmj/
   [e-mail]  /  my gallery: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2605/


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:40:24 +2
From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Server failure

Hi all,

Just a few words to say that there is and unidentified problem the
server of my university.

For a time I have put my pages at

http://www-hs/louvet/jpl0.html
and the French sci.fractals-faq mirror at
http://www-hs/louvet/sci.fractals-faq/faq.html

This can be only a temporary solution, because this computer is only a
Pentium 120 running mainly as a local server for the department where I
work. None of these pages have been updated after September 2, But they
will be soon and I hope that the URLs at the end of this mail will work at
that time.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
J.P. Louvet                | Phone :  [phone]
IUT Universite Bordeaux I  | Fax :    [phone]
33405 Talence CEDEX France | e-mail : [e-mail]
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I :
http://www.bdx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html
- ---------------------------------------------------------------

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:56:15 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Sean (and/or) Jaqueline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Paul Derbyshire wrote:

> The less serious is that the collection of 2 and 16-color modes at the
> start of the video mode-picker in this version all say "256" colors at the
> right.

  You're not going crazy, Paul.  My fractint.cfg file had the same errors
in it before I went in and hand-edited it.  And I too got my copy from
Spanky.
  However (!), this past weekend I trashed my hard drive, and had to go
back to Spanky to re-download 19.6.  The fractint.cfg file is now as it
should be.
  This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to
announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine
the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the
obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light
travel and crop circles.

  - Sean

- ---
* Brought to you by Sean and/or Jaq, and their 18 cats:
    * Crystal, Sputnik, Venus, Berkeley
    * Tinker, Evers, Chance,
    * Crosby, Stills, Nash,
    * Tigger, Pooh, Piglet,
    * Orion, Cursa, Spica, Polaris, and Atria.
 [And yes, we have children, too.  Can't remember their names, though.]


- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Serious Fractint 19.6 bug!

Hi,

I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL..  I'd
like to go back and re-download Fractint 19.6 since the bug has crawled under
the counter, atleast for the time being.  If someone would please post his
URL, I'd surely appreciated it.

Kivryn

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:24:42 -0600 (MDT)
From: Jason Hine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Alien Conspiracy

>  This is the final proof I've been looking for, and I am now ready to
>announce my theory that Noel is actually a space alien trying to undermine
>the confidence of Fractint users worldwide, hoping to make us overlook the
>obvious fact that fractals have an application in both faster than light
>travel and crop circles.
>

Sean,
    Don't forget the inter-species communication, anti-gravity, the
unioning of religion and science, and unlimited power applications of
fractals...  lotsa 'work' waiting to be done with these 'pretty pictures'...

Jason

 _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _
 _ __ ___                          ___ __ _
 _ __ ___         Jason N Hine              ___ __ _
 _ __ ___        GIS Specialist              ___ __ _
 _ __ ___      Colorado State University          ___ __ _
 _ __ ___ Pedology and Soil  Information Systems Lab  ___ __ _
 _ __ ___        [phone]              ___ __ _
 _ __ ___  http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason   ___ __ _
 _ __ ___        [e-mail]          ___ __ _
 _ __ ___ ____ _____ ______ _______ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:10:14 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) url

At 06:40 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I don't know how it happened, but I have lost/misplaced Spanky's URL..

(snipped)

http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html


[e-mail]
"Do Not Meddle In The Affairs Of Dragons For You Are Crunchy And Good With
Ketchup"

- ------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

End of fractint Digest V1 #20
*****************************

To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command:

    subscribe fractint-digest

in the body of a message to "[e-mail]".  If you want to
subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such
as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the
"subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-fractint":

    subscribe fractint-digest [e-mail]

A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "fractint-digest"
in the commands above with "fractint".

Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
pub/lists/fractint/archive.  These are organized by date.