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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:57:18 -0500
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music
At 08:34 PM 3/29/01 -0500, cheryl wrote:
.>It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica
>listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying.
>He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", .
I don't want to argue about this.
So instead, let me tell you about something I saw on TV which I think is
related.
There was a debate up here a couple of years ago about we would allow the
video version of those one-armed bandit gambling machines - they're called
something like VDT's - into the province.
So they did a report on gambling.
And there was this one guy. He went every morning with a cup filled with
quarters and started putting them in the machine. If he won, he put the
winnings in his cup and kept going.
He would leave when he ran out of quarters. Sometimes that took a few
hours and sometimes that lasted as much as twelve hours.
His winnings weren't winnings. It was just about how long he got to sit
there.
He said that it barely registered when he won. It didn't matter if he won
or lost. He said that he only actually felt something twice in the day.
When he sat down at the beginning and when he reached for the next quarter
and the cup was empty.
It's not a perfect metaphor but that's very similar to me going to look for
records.
I like looking for records and when you like looking for records, you end
up having a lot of them.
But I like looking for them.
Owning them is almost a necessary evil.
The music is an occasional bonus.
AZ
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:54:05 +0100
From: Charles Moseley <charlesm@contentrepublic.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) musical nostalgia
Most record collectors I've met are focussed on music they first heard as a
young person. I don't think that applies particularly to people on this
list. And it doesn't particularly apply to me either.
I've found that people get collective/obsessive/accumulative about the music
from around the period of their birth. Perhaps its about trying to work out
where you're from, what things were like when you were created etc etc. For
me 1967-1973 is the great era (born 1971) I have a few friends who are
fanatical about new wave and early electronic music 1976-1982 and all were
born around '77.
To be honest though, I haven't yet conducted a wide-reaching survey of my
observed phenomenon.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:37:30 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia
DJJimmyBee@aol.com schrieb:
> In a message dated 3/29/1 1:52:59 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote:
>
> >I don't really think I'd want to go back
> >(certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of
> >wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics).
>
> But remember, the Soul-Funk-Disco sounds were at their analogue besssst then.
> Black Music, particularly the LP really peaked in creativity at that time.
> The lushness, the hard-driven funk, the rare groove, the beauty of the group
> ballad, the use of bass as a clearer aural driving force behind the music,
> have an everlasting sound that got kicked to the curb by the digital and
> synth era of the 8T's.
D'accord totale. It only proves again that it is pointless to speak of "the 70s". One has to make clear wether one doesn't like the jazz of the 70s, the rock, the disco, the soul, the hip hop, the punk, the electronic music or whatever. It's pointless to attack a decade so diverse as the 70s. fact is that not only Tanaka is currently reintroducing disco into contempory music, plus you've gotta be aware that it's meant as dance music.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:37:21 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music
bigshot schrieb:
> >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT
> >about the music.
>
> Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it?
You've gotta see that film, really, and you will not be so sure about it anymore, I can tell you. Like: what is it about when someone collects the very same version of the same song by the same artist a dozen of times just to own every possible pressing that was ever made of this song? Or this one weirdo, who claims that he can tell you by heart every tracklist of each of his 100.000 or so albums... boy, Alan, why didn't you let me get your film broadcasted in Germany? What a loss!
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:37:40 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: what does music do?
"F. Cobalt" schrieb:
> I think it goes into holes in your ears.
not only
> I don't think it's fair to compare classical with other music forms, refering to the earlier arguements.
My friend, who ran the Jazz department of Universal for years and recently took over the Classical department as well, says, it's all Classical music to him. He doesn't want to make a difference between Jazz and Classical, saying that any music eventually will become classical music. He gets a lot of contradiction from the Classical circles for that, but I can see his point. So all you lovers of Classical music, be prepared for a flood of new releases from Universal soon!
> So classical music typically has far more instruments making noise than, say, a jazz band. And exotica has more instruments typically than the average jazz band. And then ambient music or musique concrete has hardly any.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:37:36 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.3
nytab@pipeline.com schrieb:
> I'm confused by your phrase that I didn't post about anyone else -
> I'm surprised that you didn't mention John Phillips... and noone else either.
"noone else" isn't referring to "John Phillips" here, but to "you". I thought that the Mamas and the Papas would be important enough, that at least a few people would comment a bit on Phillip's death, but....
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:28:13 -0500
From: nytab@pipeline.com
Subject: (exotica) Beach Music Official in S.Carolina
Beach Music Official in S.Carolina
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 8:16 a.m. ET
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Put on your dancing shoes.
Gov. Jim Hodges has signed a bill to make beach music the official popular music of South Carolina.
``Beach music is the music of South Carolina,'' Hodges said in signing the bill Wednesday. ``This new law is an opportunity to honor local artists who have made beach music the international language of good times.''
The law makes beach music the second official state music. In 1999, Hodges signed legislation designating the spiritual as the state's official music.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:00:49 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica)Watching Vinyl
In a message dated Thu, 29 Mar 2001 8:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, "cheryl" <cheryls@dsuper.net> writes:
<<
From: "bigshot" <bigshot@spumco.com>
>
> >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT
> >about the music.
>
> Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it?
It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica
listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying.
He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", and into
accumulating for various reasons. It's a great film, by the way! (no, he
didn't pay me to say that...)
I have to agree with Cheryl. I was fortunate enough to obtain a copy of the film. What I think Alan's film accomplishes is that it makes music and acquisition of it a part of a personality that is predisposed to an activity like it. The really surprising part is that not ONE of the people profess an undying love for music, rather most seem to be more obsessed with categorization, sompiling, and in some cases, storage (a major issue in the film). Each real life "character" in Alan's film is a recognizable person. Many points they offer will hit close to home for many here. Its hard to pinpoint it, but what seems to have been accomplished is that he has profiled the vinyl junky, yet made him (and in some cases, her) likable without any artificial additions. And the film takes risks, it is a self-propelling vehicle that goes with the moment, no planned message our outcome....JB/saw NO walking experts in the film, but sure see them everywhere else now that they've been pointed out!
as such!
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:28:49 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Beach Music Official in S.Carolina
In a message dated 03/30/01 10:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
nytab@pipeline.com writes:
<< Beach Music Official in S.Carolina
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 8:16 a.m. ET
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Put on your dancing shoes.
Gov. Jim Hodges has signed a bill to make beach music the official popular
music of South Carolina.
``Beach music is the music of South Carolina,'' Hodges said in signing the
bill Wednesday. ``This new law is an opportunity to honor local artists who
have made beach music the international language of good times.''
The law makes beach music the second official state music. In 1999, Hodges
signed legislation designating the spiritual as the state's official music. >>
and at one time it was the square dance!
for real, Beach Music (which used to be called "Race Music") has always been
the most identifiable music of South Carolina.
TB
(South Carolina official state motto: "Voted most likely to secede.")
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:50:27 -0500
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: (exotica) Music versus The Object
At 11:37 AM 3/30/01 +0200, Moritz R wrote:
.>
>You've gotta see that film, really, and you will not be so sure about it
anymore, I can tell you..
and Jimmy B wrote:
>it makes music and acquisition of it a part of a personality that is
predisposed to >an activity like it. The really surprising part is that not
ONE of the people profess >an undying love for music, rather most seem to
be more obsessed with >categorization, sompiling, and in some cases, storage
I'm really sorry I referred to my film. I should have been able to make my
point without it. And I don't want to argue with the people who've seen
the film. But the reason people in the film don't talk A LOT about music
is because I don't really let them.
Everybody I talked to said it was about the music.
The people in the film are no different than the people on this list. It's
not like you guys are "normal" as cheryl said and they're not. The only
judgement I could make is that some of you are less obsessed than others.
The reason I say it's not about the music is precisely because everybody
says that it is. There were those for whom it obviously wasn't JUST about
the music but those people also say it's all about the music.
I know that for ME it's not all about the music. I think there are a lot
of people on this list that use records the same way I do.
But I don't want to argue about it. I made the film instead.
And I'm sorry I brought it up. But I didn't want anyone thinking that, at
least according to me, the people in my film are any "weirder" than the
rest of us.
AZ
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:54:51 -0500
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: (exotica) message to luxuria and its chatters
This is a bit off topic.
But last weekend for the first time, I chatted on luxuria.
I ran into a couple of exotica listers there.
It was cool.
But the last few nights I just couldn't get it to work.
I just wondered if the people here, like the Millionaire for instance,
understand what's happening and whether there's anything I can do about it.
AZ
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:30:24 -0500
From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
Subject: (exotica) some guy's musical taste
I'm on this other list almost exclusively dedicated to "indie" or
"alternative" rock.
This new member just posted an introduction. It was very long. =20
One of the things he does is list his favorite artists.
It's a long list but I really enjoyed reading it.
I figured some of you here would also get off on reading his list so here
it is:
Tell us about some of the music that's meant the most to you over the=20
years?=20
I already mentioned The Sweet, 70's glamrockers, whose bass player I=20
was under the impression was a woman for at least a year (I was only=20
about 11 years old). After that it was Blondie (first gig I ever=20