>Does anybody know anything about how music enters >your brain?
>
>AZ
I think it goes into holes in your ears. Then it swirls around for a while, seeking the lowest point to exit out. Then, later, when you have a bowel movement, it comes out. It's very messy. I would avoid it. And then when you get older you might have to wear diapers.
I don't think it's fair to compare classical with other music forms, refering to the earlier arguements. You just end up arguing emotional points. Classical is better than jazz because I like it more. Or, When you listen to classical music you feel deeper emotions. These are personal interpretations. I've felt emotions listening to Coltrane's Interstellar Space that I can't even describe. Same with Tod Dockstader. Same with works by Xenakis. For easy music I could say that I typically feel a sense of overwhelming calm and excitement at the same time, like I do with Sergio Mendes, which typifies a wide assortment of ideas and musical styles that I like in the whole easy music area. But I would imagine that I feel things with some albums that are not that different from the things some people feel when listening to, yawn, Mozart. (Fun to perform but not as fun to listen to, but that's just me.)
Sound experience is all about those little hairs in your inner ear vibrating, right? So classical music typically has far more instruments making noise than, say, a jazz band. And exotica has more instruments typically than the average jazz band. And then ambient music or musique concrete has hardly any. Then does the arguement become something like one can enjoy ambient music only about a tenth as much as classical? And if you enjoy, say, ambient music more than classical, does that mean you have hearing loss (which I know I do from some ear operations)? And what if you don't like the new Tipsy as much as the first one?
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:09:41 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) what does music do?
alan zweig schrieb:
>
> I know that it is sort of about the music. It's always partly about the music.
> But if you're sitting in a club and a piece of music comes on and you go
> "Ooh, this is Lush Life. Have you heard the Johnny Hartman/John Coltrane
> version?", is that about appreciating the music more?
> I'm not sure.
I'm not sure either, but I think it's about communication among men. Women do it all the time, about everything, men need things like "music" or "football", to get it going. If you want to call in notorious theories about men being hunters and women collectively growing up children, you may come to simple explanations, perhaps too simple, I don't know. But since men had to communicate silently during the hunt, they had time to analyze what they saw and heard later, sitting around the fire. If they had recordings of what they heard, they would already almost be like you and me. In painting it probably was like that: the first paintings were portraits of hunting preys performed with ashes. This sounds really like Flintstone theory, but you demanded it, when you wrote:
> Anyway I'm thinking about a lot of very basic questions.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:12:10 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD Rom Blanks
bigshot schrieb:
>
> If you'd like me to provide you with links to webpages with scientific
> research on this, I'd be happy to look them up.
>
That's nice, thank you, although I don't think I have a lot of time to go much deeper into this. Besides the endless hours I spend with the exotica list, I have to - last not least - get some work done ;-) Actually my brand of CDRs work really fine with my burner now and as long as this's the case, I'm happy. It's strange though that my usual daily computer news servers never had a story about burning problems. I guess the scientists may not have come to a conclusion about it themselves - or they don't know the sources that you know.
John A. Alonzo, a Hollywood cinematographer, died on March 13 in Los Angeles. He was 66.
Mr. Alonzo was nominated for an Academy Award for his work on Roman Polanski's 1974 murder mystery, "Chinatown," which starred Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway. His other credits included "Harold and Maude," "Norma Rae," "Black Sunday," "The Bad News Bears", "Vanishing Point" and "Star Trek: Generations". He also contributed special material to "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." One of his early short subjects, "The Legend of Jimmy Blue Eyes," also received an Oscar nomination.
Born in Dallas, Mr. Alonzo grew up in Guadalajara, Mexico, and Los Angeles. He started working in television and then tried his hand at acting, playing bit parts in several films including "The Magnificent Seven." He also photographed a television series for National Geographic, and directed the television films "Belle Starr," with Elizabeth Montgomery as the Western outlaw, and "Blinded by the Light," about a religious cult, with Kristy McNichol.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:11:34 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age
>Mikac speak truth. Mikac know good dance pop.
Unfortunately, Mikac is off on an extended adventure down the dormant
volcano of Mount Xabat, chasing legends of a lost subterranean city of jade
and crystal, with towers of finely wrought vinyl and the reputed hiding
place of the single pressing of the unknown, never-heard Les Baxter/Ornette
Coleman collaboration, "This Is Our Ritual Of The Free" -- of which it is
said that there is no telling what may happen to the universe if a needle
should ever glide into the inescapable maelstrom of its entry groove.
One only hopes to someday find Mikac's account in a battered and yellowed
paperback book on a dusty thrift-store shelf.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:35:16 -0500
From: itsvern@attglobal.net
Subject: (exotica) expectations of exoticness
I found the following excerpt a few days ago while searching the web,
and thought it applied to the world of exotica music -- of how the final
importance was matching the viewers/listeners expectations of the
exotic, rather than showing the world in all its nitty-gritty reality.
- ------------------------------
A friend of mine who recently returned from Africa told me about the
battles and and alliances in the bush, where multiple film crews from
different networks and natural history programs were attempting to get
shots of the same animal without getting each other in the shot. The
noise and the lights and the generators transformed the wild into
something else, but the product would ultimately be cut and dubbed to
reflect the idealised image of 'nature' that audiences demanded
- -----------------------------
Vern
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:59:36 +0100
From: edjunkita <edjunkita@wanadoo.nl>
Subject: Re: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops
Taro HOSHIJIMA wrote:
> See:
>
> http://www.gracechang.com/
>
> Sorry if you can't read Chinese :)
Nice record covers, but I miss audio examples.
Anyone know any good (=oldies) Asian music sites that have some?
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:08:08 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia
In a message dated 3/29/1 1:52:59 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote:
>I don't really think I'd want to go back
>(certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of
>wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics).
But remember, the Soul-Funk-Disco sounds were at their analogue besssst then.
Black Music, particularly the LP really peaked in creativity at that time.
The lushness, the hard-driven funk, the rare groove, the beauty of the group
ballad, the use of bass as a clearer aural driving force behind the music,
have an everlasting sound that got kicked to the curb by the digital and
synth era of the 8T's. I think FPM is onto something when he re-introduces
the disco sound in a new context. JB/proud discophile
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:09:37 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: what does music do?
In a message dated 3/29/1 3:40:56 PM, fcobalt@lycos.com wrote:
>I think it goes into holes in your ears. Then it swirls around for a while,
seeking
>the lowest point to exit out. Then, later, when you have a bowel movement,
it comes
>out. It's very messy. I would avoid it. And then when you get older you
might have
>to wear diapers.
That would "Depend" on the listener, wouldn't it?
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:13:23 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) what does music do?
In a message dated 3/29/1 3:43:53 PM, moritz@derplan.com wrote:
>I'm not sure either, but I think it's about communication among men. Women
do it
>all the time, about everything, men need things like "music" or "football",
to
>get it going.
Men, according to the Mrs., seek to quantify an otherwise unquantifiable
experience called life by measuring, statistifying, and adding up the
innumerable factors to explain the otherwise inexplicable. Women, on the
other hand, according to the Mrs., embrace the harmonic universality of
Earthly Existence and disdain the numbers game...This my friends is the
difference between the sexes (according to the Mrs.)..JB/its 1969 ok, all
across the USA
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:52:38 -0700
From: kendoll <kendoll@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People
i bought a record this week by a group similar to Up With People called
The Young Americans ("a non profit corporation dedicated to promoting
understanding and good will through youth and music"). the record was
produced and arranged by Anita Kerr. anyone familiar with this group?
the liner notes refer to a feature film about the group, also
called"Young Americans" which hadn't been released yet. anyone seen this film?
mike
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:02:39 EST
From: Tipsydave@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tipsy again!
In a message dated 3/29/01 7:00:57 AM, nminer@jhmi.edu writes:
<< Okay, I haven't gotten the new CD yet - it's on the way.........this am I
was listening to one of my home-made comps. and on comes Earl Grant doing "My
Foolish Heart" from his Ebb Tide LP.
Instantly I recognized the opening bars as being included in a Tipsy song.
Now, I can't tell you *which* song it's from because that album has the
amazing ability to be almost brand-spanking new every time I listen to it
(that is, the "tune" doesn't stick in my head 'cause there's so much going
on!!) - but it's there, and it sounds amazingly "modern," like it was created
on a keyboard in the rec. studio. >>
Amusingly enough, the same couple bars show up on Stock, Hausen & Walkman's
"Organ Transplants", recorded about the same time as "Trip Tease". Weird, huh?
- -dave
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:17:09 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Listening to Music
exotica-digest wrote:
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:34:56 -0500
>From: alan zweig <azed@pathcom.com>
>Subject: (exotica) what does music do?
>
>At the same time I was thinking about bigshot's "advice" that I start to
>listen to classical music.
>It's not that I don't like it. I like it fine when I hear it. I just
>don't feel the ambition to start down another musical tributary at this
>point.
I can understand that. I've always limited myself to really seriously
exploring no more than two or three types of music at a time. I still
have some kinds of music that I am deliberately saving for the future
when I have the time to focus on them.
>The other thing I was thinking about was bigshot's contention that he's
>"educated" himself about these things. Mostly I was thinking about him
>saying that IF you educate yourself, you will appreciate more.
>I suppose that's true.
>But are you appreciating something MORE or just in a different way?
Well, a good example I found in my particular explorations was Fats
Waller. He and Cab Calloway were my introduction to Jazz. I read a
book on him and immersed myself in his recordings and I discovered
that he was able to make even the crummiest song sing. In the book
I read on him, it said that he studied classical music and was
inspired in many of his own compositions by Bach. So I went out and
found some recordings of the pieces that the book mentioned and
it was like a lightbulb turned on. All of a sudden I could hear
Bach in Waller's piano playing.
>One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT
>about the music.
Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it?
>It seems to me that classical music is a certain kind of music. That
>sounds self evident except that some people who listen exclusively to
>classical music say that they can get everything they need to get out of
>that one kind of music.
>And I want to say "I don't think you can get from classical music what I
>get from Hank Williams. Or the American Music Club. Or Sarah Vaughn.
That's true. What people mean when they say that classical music is
all they need is that classical music covers every possible human
emotion from angry to happy to wistful to comic... and all gradations
between. Classical music also runs the gamut from extremely complex
musical structures to very simple ones.
>But all this begs the question of what you get from music. How do you get
>what you get? Does the music do it? Or is it your association with the
>music?
>Does anybody know anything about how music enters your brain?
That is a really good question, and it's one I've wondered about
too. Music seems to be some sort of primal language that is hard
wired into us. We are born understanding what music tells us on
a non-verbal level. The vocabulary of this primal language can be
exppanded by listening and thinking about what you hear. It can
also open up dramatically like blinders coming off in a flash.
It sure is weird.
See ya
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:17:16 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) Harpsicord
exotica-digest wrote:
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:42 -0500
>From: Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma.....
>
>Nate can't stand harpsichord, and it's one
>of my favorite elements of some of Enoch Light's albums (and I love Dick
>Hyman's "Happening!" album). My favorite use of it is in Mancini's version
>of the Playboy theme, and if I'm not mistaken there are some particularly
>sweet moments in the Breakfast at Tiffany's soundtrack with harpsichord
>solos
My favorite harpsicord is the jazzy one behind Rosemary Cloony
in "Come Onna My House". I also can't think of Bach's Art of
the Fugue without thinking of the harpsicord.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:17:14 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) The Planets
exotica-digest wrote:
>Let me just recommend ONE piece of classical music that is VERY VERY good:
>Holst - The Planets.
Conductors and orchestras make a big difference. I've heard six or
eight versions of The Planets, and the best I've heard is Herbert
von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic from the early days of
digital recording.
>This is the only thing that Holst ever did that was really *GREAT* - and =
>it is GREAT. =20
By the way, Holst did a lot of great stuff. There is a Naxos
bargain CD with Beni Mora that I would recommend highly.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:17:18 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) The Planets
exotica-digest wrote:
>Luckily, the best version of The Planets is available on a budget release. =
> The cover is like the "Extra Extra" headline of a major newspaper. =
That is Columbia's Budget line. My guess is you are thinking of
Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra. That is a very good version.
The sound is a bit dated though. The Planets benefits from really
good sound.
By the way, if you listen to the Planets you won't have to get
any of John Williams's soundtracks. He stole it all from Holst.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:17:20 -0800
From: bigshot <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) The "right" recording
exotica-digest wrote:
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:21:56 -0500
>From: wlt4@mindspring.com
>Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma.....
>
>Don't worry too much about
>whether you're getting the "right" recordings because there aren't any:
>classical buffs will argue about these for ever (opera fans are the worst)
>and too much of that is just trivial.
Actually, there are a lot of REALLY bad recordings out there. His friend's
advice is pretty true. Fortunately, quality of performance is usually
inversely related to price. The Naxos label has lots of great music for
under $7, and the other labels have "twofers" and budget lines that
re-release LP era recordings that sound better than current releases.
The Penguin Guide is a good place to start. Most big record stores have
it. Just use it while you're browsing in the store.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:34:22 -0500
From: "cheryl" <cheryls@dsuper.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music
From: "bigshot" <bigshot@spumco.com>
>
> >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT
> >about the music.
>
> Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it?
It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica
listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying.
He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", and into
accumulating for various reasons. It's a great film, by the way! (no, he
didn't pay me to say that...)
cheryl
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:22:04 -0800
From: "jim gerwitz" <jamesbg@home.com>
Subject: (exotica) Up with People Down in the Dumps OOP
Up With People recently decided to hang it up after 35 years. Money
problems, what else. They are no longer accepting applications for students
to join their touring groups (just when i needed a career change) and you
only have until April 6th to order from their catalog of CD's, cassettes and
sealed LP's. Free CD with each purchase. Hey, this stuff will soon be Out of
Print, big bucks on fleabay!
Here's their site where you can browse and read the sad news:
