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exotica-digest         Friday, March 23 2001         Volume 02 : Number 935



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Art
(exotica) vic mizzy question
re: (exotica)an avalanche of plastic
Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial
Re: (exotica) Exotica in comic books EP Jacobs
Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial +smoking
Re: (exotica) Shaggs
RE: (exotica) test
Re: (exotica) test
RE: (exotica) test
(exotica) Obits
(exotica) Re: Art
(exotica) Pop Electronique" by Cecil Leuter
(exotica) smoking and otherness
Re: (exotica) Shaggs
(exotica) Re: pink panther
(exotica) Re: KPM releases
Re: (exotica) Re: KPM releases
Re: (exotica) Shaggs
RE: (exotica) test
Re: (exotica) vic mizzy question
Re:(exotica)the Shaggs
Re:(exotica)the Shaggs
(exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl
Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl
Re: (exotica) Warhol
Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl
Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl
(exotica) Andy Warhol and the Shaggs
Re: (exotica) Shaggs
(exotica) Scat art
Re: (exotica) Shaggs
(exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sk=E5l=20(My=20birthday.=2032=20now)?=

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:18:16 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Art

> I thought I'd present some of my opinions on the 'what is art' question,
> rather than simplying submitting some quote from Gilligan again.

Re-reading the message I just sent, I want to say that all misspellings were
intentional, and meant as a purely artistic statement, and were not a result of
the several beers I drank between finishing work today and coming home to my
computer.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:53:31 +0800
From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) vic mizzy question

does anyone have any more information on this vic mizzy disc? i mean it says
it is a "promotional copy"?? what does that mean? a 24 page booklet seems
small to me. does this mean it will be released in a different form later? i
know some of this comes from my perspective of local cd prices here but i
found it rather pricey for  a disc.  almost 20 bucks plus 8 bucks postage?
and the packaging sounds standard, not like those great basta releases or
the last couple of releases that came out on readymade records. i'm still
considering it but if anyone knows if it will be sold by other shops(i.e.
dustygroove) i would be happy to know.

              william in taipei.


>This package also contains full-color 24-page booklet with liner notes
>by Daniel Schweiger detailing the composer's life and career, including
>rare stills, sheet music, poster and lobby card reproductions and much
>more!
>
>This promotional release is being offered exclusively through
>www.percepto.com and has been pressed in a limited archival edition of
>1000 copies.





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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:00:40
From: "mark jung" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: (exotica)an avalanche of plastic

  tried the caselogic notebooks, they're pretty bulky too, and rearranging
everything to add disks was nightmarish.
  take a look at

http://www.jewelsleeve.com

that's how this story ended. getting RID of jewelcases presents another
problem, entirely...
  Suckers are expensive, but the more than make up for it in the space saved
and nice presentation -
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...And lo, from high above a keyboard, one Peter Gingerich's voice boomed:

>I know this question gets bandied about on the list all the time,
>BUT how do folx out there all store your cds?
>  In the origional case on a bookshelf?
Or do you put them into a book, and if so....
do you jam all the notes and back cover in with the cd? Or put that stuff in
the slot next to the cd? (I've noticed the books never seem wide enough to
put in the back cover let alone the notes...) Or do you just put cd copies
into books? One big book, many different for genres? Chuck the cases? Save
boxes from box sets?
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:14:20 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial

Matt Marchese schrieb:

> The dream sequence that features Supermarionated members of the Shadows backing
> up Cliff Richard is great stuff.

I remember that! Was that a dream sequence? I thought Lady Penelope was "really" flying to another planet to see the Shadows.

Does any of the participators of this thread happen to have this episode on CDR? I'd be willing to trade a copy!

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:00:46 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Exotica in comic books EP Jacobs

citerar "m.ace" <[e-mail]>:

> Magnus, you might want to keep an eye out for the current Spanish
artist,
> Daniel Torres. He works in a similar style, with more of an art deco
> flavor. He's done a series of adventures of "Rocco Vargas". Also does
> illustration and design work, I think.
>
> --m.ace

I know that guy, yes he definetely has captured the style of "clear
line", in fact there are many doing it in europe, but mostly the
stories are so thin and it feel it is just a showcase for expressing
the artists voyeurism.

I breathed talked and thinked comics in the 80s, then I lost much of my
interest, but now I feel an urge to investigate again. Caro, who later
made Delicatessen and The City of Lost Children was a hero. Very
strange stuff, and a completely own drawing style.

Magnus


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:03:15 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial +smoking

Considering the praise, and the fact that these puppets scare the hell
out of you, I must try them out, now I'll just have to decide which DVD
releases to buy, they are available in USA, Britain, Germany, Spain and
France. In France they even have swedish subtitles.

I most certainly have missed something, I am sure it never was shown on
TV when I was a kid.

smoking puppets, I bet they are censored in USA on DVD. In sweden we
still can smoke in restaurants! Hah!!! In Spain you are allowed to
smoke in Banks. Good old Europe, I love You. How many smokers are there
on the list? What brand do you smoke? I smoke a swedish brand: "John
Silver", or a danish one: "Prince".

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:48:41 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs

> << Today, even the Shaggs are considered art. I don't waste time with
>  "so bad it's good

Then you are missing something essential in my opinion. And what
is "bad"? Just because it is different from any normal sounding music
doesnt mean it is bad. From my experience the most interesting views of
our life on earth comes from the art that is despised by the rulers of
taste. In fact _their_ taste stinks and is an enemy to
anything "fantastique".

> Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling"
folks

I would absolutely not want to live in a world without the Shaggs, I
havent had the guts to listen to the whole side of my LP though. Small
doses every third year.

Magnus


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:40:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) test

Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought
I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit
with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)?

When we were kids, I used to call my little brother
that to piss him off.

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 We are guarded by Mr
> Inbetween,

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:52:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) test

(Is there any other variety? heh) Me too, with a
little ghosting from Mr Inbetween, the phantom
spellchecker.

- --- Magnus Sandberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

 I just post to make my
> english, or rather
> american english ((?) you decide...) better anyway
> :)


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:27:56 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) test

> --- Magnus wrote:
>
>  We are guarded by Mr
> > Inbetween,

> --- Ben wrote:
> Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought
> I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit
> with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)?


Dont know, I actually picked the name from a Bing Crosby/Andrew Sisters
song: "Ac-Cent-tchu-ate-the-positive". Allthough here they advise you
Not to mess with Mr Inbetween, I have messed with him since I was a
child, and it has caused me some pain but also rewards.

Magnus


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:43:12 -0500
From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Obits

No, I'm not sending obituaries.  That's someone else's job.  But given our
recent discussion of cartoons, I thought it appropriate to mention the death
of William Hanna (of Hanna/Barbera).  I don't think much of the quality of
the Hanna Barbera cartoons, but I will say that the Jetsons theme song was
always one of my favorite tunes, especially once they got through the
introductions and really started swinging.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:19:53 -0500
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Art

Steve wrote:
>I never thought that saying that a musician should be able
>to play some sort of instrument would be so controversial!

>I think I blame laziness. People are just too impatient to express
>themselves

OK, I think I'm getting it.  Conlon Nancarrow wasn't a real musician,
because he was too lazy to learn to play the piano.

cheers,

  --Ross

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:05:21 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Pop Electronique" by Cecil Leuter

"Pop Electronique" by Cecil Leuter (Roger Roger), from 1969. A
recording just as old as I am, and terrific for a jaded ear, it sound
so "new"! I cant recommend it highly enough, it begins with an
unscrupulous R2D2 combined with a cool rock/beat/organ comp close
to "astro sounds". Some of the funniest robotmusic I have heard in
years. Other tracks features just the serious side of R2D2, not Musik
Konkret, but something near it without getting "difficult" for the
senses.

Lots of crazy rythms.

Fast... slow...

overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology
overcome one's suspicion of technology

Bought my CD at www.dustygroove.com


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:15:03 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) smoking and otherness

At 12:03 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
.
>How many smokers are there
>on the list? What brand do you smoke?.

I love that you asked that.
But alas, I'm no longer a smoker.  I know I shouldn't be ashamed of that
but somehow I am.  It still doesn't make sense to me that I don't smoke.  I
mean, who's more self-destructive than me.  I quit last year on April
Fool's Day.
Just before I quit, I asked a friend of mine who'd smoked about as long as
I had, whether he missed it.
And he said "I figured out that over the years I'd smoked about 400
thousand cigarettes.  Whatever there is to get out of cigarettes, if I
hadn't gotten it by 400 thousand, I figured I'd never get it".
That helped me quit.
Later Will Straw, another illustrious ex-smoker, told me that "Smoking is a
young man's game".  That's become one of my mantras.  It's behind me now, I
hope.  But if you're young like Magnus, smoke em if you got em.

It's so funny that you guys are talking about Thunderbirds.  It's like the
list has moved beyond music and is seeking out examples of "otherness"
wherever it can find it.  From Jodorowsky to the Thunderbirds.
I know it's a stretch to put Jodorowsky and the Thunderbirds in the same
"bag" but that kind of stuff is so NOT what I'm into.
It's not my bag, man.

I'm trying to think of something with a quality of otherness that I do like.

Anybody seen the movie "Female on the Beach"?  I like that.  I guess it's
basically just camp so it probably doesn't qualify.

I like Space Ghost.  I'm not sure if that's the name.  The cartoon
character who has a talk show.  I've never watched more than a few seconds
but I love the concept.

Oh speaking of tikis, yesterday in a bookstore I saw the Book of Tiki.  And
even though I am NOT a tiki guy, I was very tempted to buy the book.  But
next to the book was this little book called "The Vixens of Vinyl".  It was
a bunch of album covers with women.  I enjoyed the fact that I owned twenty
five percent of the records depicted in the book.  I was very tempted to
buy that, even though it's so small and I had so many of the records.
Funny thing, that.  So while I was in the mood to spend over $20 on a book,
I convinced myself instead to buy this Taschen book of cheesecake nudes.

Okay I've gotta take Brian and cheryl record shopping now.  (As if anyone's
still reading this utterly offtopic post...)

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:36:22 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs

At 12:48 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:

>> Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling"
>folks
>I would absolutely not want to live in a world without the Shaggs,

Here's my guilty admission.  For years I made no attempt to hear the
Shaggs, assuming that I'd heard enough "so bad it's good" music that I
didn't need to hear them.  But boy was I wrong.
I've only heard a few cuts at this point and I don't know how often I would
listen to it but to simply put the Shaggs in that "so bad it's good"
category is a huge underestimation.
Yes that does describe them. They are bad.
But their individual incompetence collided in the most beautiful "happy
accident" I've ever heard.
If like me, you just assume you've heard stuff like the Shaggs, don't
assume any longer.
If it weren't for happy accidents, the world would be a far poorer place.

I don't necessarily want to rouse the bigshot from his lair, now that he
seems to be sleeping again but it's so funny that the Shaggs were given as
yet another example of his personal hall of shame.
People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship.  As a
sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily
make good music.  But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a
philosophical bent in that direction.
They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?"
Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world.
 But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the
beauty of it.

If you can't love something without worrying about how it was created, then
you're going to miss out on a lot of beauty.

Then again, I don't like classical music.

AZ




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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:06:19 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: pink panther

>From: clayton black <[e-mail]>

>..... I don't know if all of the music was Mancini, but obviously the
>theme was,

    i have recorded from TV an OLD Pink Panther cartoon (don't
know the year, but it looked more 50's than 60's -- bad quality,
cheap budget stuff) that does NOT use Mancini's theme, but a theme
SONG by Doug Goodwin, called "Panther, Pink Panther, from head to
toes"...

         Johan

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:06:50 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: KPM releases

http://www.resolutionrecords.co.uk/ sells them,
http://www.geocities.com/vinyl_vulture/ talks about 'm...

    and

Alan Hawkshaw    Soul Organ Showcase    LP, KPM 1027, UK
Alan Hawkshaw    The Big Beat    LP, KPM 1044, UK
Illustrations No.8    LP, DeWolfe music library DW LP 3168
Munich Concert Pop  Orchestra    It's All In The Beat    LP, Amphonic
AMPS 117, UK, 1976

    are the only ones i have myself...

    you know, between and 1988 and 1991, i worked at a place
where they had ALL KPM LPs. one of my tasks was doing some basic
sonorisation work now and then, and i was supposed to listen to those
KPM records while doing graphics work (my main task) but i didn't, as
i hated them ;-) as a matter of fact, we all hated them, and used the
word "KPM" as a general description of "horrible, old-fashioned,
kitsch background music" :) i wish i had known back then how my
musical taste would evolve... well that's life, i guess. i contacted
them a couple of years ago to ask if they wanted to sell some of them
to me, but negative.

         Johan (sjit, still 8 digests behind...)

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At 7:17 -0700 2001/03/16, exotica-digest wrote:
>
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:54:51 -0000
>From: "Paul Hodge" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) KPM - list
>
>Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the
>very collectable
>KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s?
>
>De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:25:32 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: KPM releases

ONE THING I WILL NEVER forgive myself for, seeing about 25 library LPs
in mint condition at a fleamarket three years ago, looking at the cover
of "Outer space and science music" or something like that, Drawn
covers... Scientific looking... all were similar in style. But no, that
was not enough for me, I wanted Esquivel, or Denny.

$1 each, and I bought NONE!

I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic
sounds at that time, too late".

Is it possible to identfy these series? Was it a great mistake?

Magnus





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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:34:55
From: "Daniel Shiman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs

>People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship.  As a
>sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily
>make good music.  But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a
>philosophical bent in that direction.
>They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?"
>Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world.
>  But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the
>beauty of it.

I agree there is a strange beauty to the Shaggs which goes beyond just the
appeal of hearing something so un-self-consciously frank and emotional (I'm
trying hard to avoid the usual condescending descriptions saved for the
Wiggin sisters) and some far-out ideas about musicianship.

However, novelty value I think is the limit ultimately of many hipsters'
ironic enjoyment of the Shaggs.

To me their lyrics are fascinating in a sort of disturbing way, but the
music itself is genuinely, and repeatedly, interesting:  there are some
sounds created (intentionally or not it doesn't matter) which are all at
once otherworldly, and dissonant, and attractive.

And I love that their last name is "Wiggin".

woof,
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:48:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) test

Never mind. It was jolly Burl Ives.
- --- Ben Waugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought
> I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit
> with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)?


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:52:06 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) vic mizzy question

on 3/22/01 11:53 PM, William at [e-mail] wrote:


> does anyone have any more information on this vic mizzy disc? i mean it says
> it is a "promotional copy"?? what does that mean? a 24 page booklet seems
> small to me. does this mean it will be released in a different form later?

I got it a couple of days ago. It's listed as 'promotional' because Vic
Mizzy put it together from his personal collection of tapes; I'm sure the
music is owned by the television and film companies that he wrote it for,
although as the composer he would have the right to self publish in order to
promote his own work, but that's why it's a limited edition. It's not a
bootleg in the classic sense, since it was compiled by the composer himself.
I would doubt that it will be released again in another form.

The quality is great all around, the booklet is informative and has lots of
never published photos. Overall, it's classic 60's TV music; even the film
music sounds like TV music, if you know what I mean. Mizzy is similar to
other composer/arrangers of the era, especially  ones from New York like
Bernie Green, who wrote what I think of as 'department store music' - music
for jaunty shopping at Macy's, but listen for that minor second interval on
the xylophone when our protagonist trips on the elevator.

If ya like that stuff, and I do, then it's worth the 20 bucks. Delivery was
very prompt - I ordered on Friday and it was delivered Tuesday, 3000 miles
away.

br cleve



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:18:05 -0500
From: Clayton Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(exotica)the Shaggs

> From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>

> Then again, I don't like classical music.

I do like a lot of classical music, sometimes, but I'm glad that you wrote
this, Alan.  Much of my complaint with classical music has nothing to do
with the music itself but with the people who see it as the only acceptable
medium of musical expression or who commit their tastes to it because it is
"safe"--everybody agrees that it's "high" culture, and plenty of people are
sufficiently insecure about their own tastes that they figure no one will
argue with them if they wax eloquent about Beethoven.  There's an awful lot
of this in academe.  People talk as though classical music is the only music
that is suitably intellectual for their tastes.  Of course, there's also a
good bit of rebellious embrace of "low" culture just for the sake of irony,
usually accompanied by the adoption of an entire aesthetic.
    Like just about anything, I've found, classical music becomes more
interesting the more you know about it, but I'll be damned if I'll accept
the idea that there is anything morally or intellectually superior about it
as opposed to, for example, Tuvan throat singers or Doctor Nico or the
Ramones or Cal Tjader.  To me the attitude of "classical is superior" smacks
too much of late nineteenth century attitudes of European superiority--an
outdated artifact of the imperial age.

My little rant.

Clayton



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:03:11 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(exotica)the Shaggs

citerar Clayton Black <[e-mail]>:

> My little rant.

My little rant is this: The best classical music I have ever heard
comes from an ordinary housewife in england 1970 who recieved notes
from the composers themselves several hundred years after they died.

I wrote about this lady a month ago, no replies except for Mo, who
questioned the quality of the music.

That cds from re:search, how often how I questioned their taste, they
choosed damn it some of the most uninteresting stuff in this huge genre.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:26:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl

Alan or anyone

Is this a beautiful full sized spread of album covers like "the
Album Cover Art of Soundtracks"  ?

From your description it sounds like a small paperback with tiny
pictures.  Its at Amazon with a June release date for $11
something.
As if I need to look at another cheesecake cover.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


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> next to the book was this little book called "The Vixens of
> Vinyl".  It was a bunch of album covers with women.  I enjoyed
the fact that I owned twenty five percent of the records depicted
in the book.  I was very tempted to buy that, even though it's so
small and I had so many of the records.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:58:27 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl

> As if I need to look at another cheesecake cover.

Its an art just for itself. I think most of the high prices on old
records derive from the covers picturing cute sexy women. As I have
written before, it still amazes me to a very high degree!

I cant believe this era, it is too good to be true.

Makes one think of the great mistake that was made in the early 70s,
when they succeeded to change something essential for us humans.

Attraction. Sensuality. The "Game".

Its like the sun spoke of love but wanted as equal. Wanting to erase
our differences.

But maybe that is just me.

I want my woman a woman.

Magnus




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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:10:28 +0100
From: Edward Milhuisen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Warhol

Warhol stole the idea of incorporating the image of a Campbell's
soup can in a work of art from the Swiss outsider artist Adolf W=F6lfli.
W=F6lfli made his Campbell's Tomato Soup in 1929, predating Warhol
by 33 years.

http://www.inmostra.net/ccs/wolfli/11.html

some info on W=F6lfli in English:
http://members.loop.com/~supermarky/aaSkt.AdolfII.html
http://www.rawvision.com/back/wolfli/wolfli.html

[e-mail] wrote:

>3) Then there are what I call the true artists --- the people who see
>the world in new visionary ways that nobody has ever thought of before.
>It might be Louis Armstrong with his scat singing ..... it might be Andy
>Warhol with his Campbell soup can painting.   This definition can be
>associated with discoverers/inventors -- as the first people who tried
>doing something in a completely new way.

[e-mail] wrote:

>And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then?





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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:45:15 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl

At 01:26 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Chuck wrote:
>
>Alan or anyone
>
>Is this a beautiful full sized spread of album covers like "the
>Album Cover Art of Soundtracks"  ?

No it's small.  Not paperback but small.

The fact that I had so many of them should have made me NOT want it but
unfortunately it had the opposite effect.  I will get it someday.

AZ



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:46:45 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of  Vinyl

At 10:58 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
.>
>I want my woman a woman.

Please explain this.
I'd much rather talk about sex than music.
(I can just hear Magnus saying "But they're the same thing, no?")



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:53:20 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Andy Warhol and the Shaggs

Hello,

>Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling" folks
>anyday, but maybe that's just me...

I'll take both, please. Life is too short to settle for half a loaf.

>And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then?

I would consider him an artist. But not a very good one.

See ya
Steve

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:48:44 +0100
From: Edward Milhuisen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs

As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what makes
them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was actually
put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are just
as inept as The Shaggs were in their days,  but that doesn't motivate me
to go searching for bad demos, although there must be some gems on
mp3.com. Does anyone have any at hand?

alan zweig wrote:

> Here's my guilty admission.  For years I made no attempt to hear the
> Shaggs, assuming that I'd heard enough "so bad it's good" music that I
> didn't need to hear them.  But boy was I wrong.
> I've only heard a few cuts at this point and I don't know how often I would
> listen to it but to simply put the Shaggs in that "so bad it's good"
> category is a huge underestimation.
> Yes that does describe them. They are bad.
> But their individual incompetence collided in the most beautiful "happy
> accident" I've ever heard.
> If like me, you just assume you've heard stuff like the Shaggs, don't
> assume any longer.
> If it weren't for happy accidents, the world would be a far poorer place.
>
> I don't necessarily want to rouse the bigshot from his lair, now that he
> seems to be sleeping again but it's so funny that the Shaggs were given as
> yet another example of his personal hall of shame.
> People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship.  As a
> sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily
> make good music.  But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a
> philosophical bent in that direction.
> They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?"
> Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world.
>  But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the
> beauty of it.
>






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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:06:15 -0800
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Scat art

exotica-digest wrote:

>3) Then there are what I call the true artists --- the people who see
>the world in new visionary ways that nobody has ever thought of before.
>It might be Louis Armstrong with his scat singing

Great post.

As a sideline comment, Louis Armstrong didn't invent scat singing.
Cliff Edwards was doing it before any of the jazz singers picked
it up. But Cliff Edwards didn't fit into Ken Burns's political
agenda. There were plenty of other truly original things that
Armstrong introduced though. He is definitely one of the greatest
artists of the 20th century.

See ya
Steve

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:14:24 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs

citerar Edward Milhuisen <[e-mail]>:

>
> As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what
makes
> them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was
actually
> put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are
just
> as inept as The Shaggs were in their days


Are you kidding me?
Understand_noting_of_what_you_say_.dotcom.

Now I am drunk, (its my birthday today, I speak freely)
where is Laura Taylor!?!

Meggy


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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:31:10 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sk=E5l=20(My=20birthday.=2032=20now)?=

I have just had an exellent evening describing exotica to my family.=20
They did not get the greatness of it(Dot) and that makes _YOU_  (out=20
there) so solemn(dot) I love _YOU ALL_(dot) Truly I DO(dot) Especially=20
the Marijuana users(dot) My toast tonight goes to YOU, yeah _JUST YOU_

SK=C5L for exotica!

Magnus (est un fou.) (hommage to Ensor)(yes, slightly drunk, me admit)

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