> >Nat, you're really incredible. Before most people even got to SEE your docu,
> >you are already selling the SOUNDTRACK. You know how to start a cult, don't
> >you?
>
> That was the plan. Join the exotica list. Start a NatKone-cult. Then
> reveal my true identity and "Oh yeah, I just made a film which is relevant
> to the stuff we talk about here" (Plus you can enjoy spotting the odd
> record as the image flies by.)
> I won't exactly get famous but in a tiny, very exclusive, VERY VERY HIP
> community of with-it cutting-edge music freaks, I could be a very minor
> star for a little longer than fifteen minutes. And that's all I ever
> wanted really.
> (Having given up on groupies and gangbangs that is...)
> Please whisper my name and that of my film in all your hip circles....
Help! Air! I can't stop laughing. Give this man a show! Please! Now!
Mo
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:41:54 +0200
From: Dj Batman <djbatman@olografix.org>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
>the "creation of completely new sounds" has nothing to do with it. when
>things are sampled, often time it is OBVIOUS where the sample came from.
ok. Please tell me how many "obvious" samples do you spot in that track of
mine. ;)
>regardless of what is being "created" you are still taking someone else's
>music and using it to your benefit. no different that downloading mp3 and
>not paying for them.
urgh. Not again... ;))
DjB
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:41:58 +0200
From: Dj Batman <djbatman@olografix.org>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
>and maybe your samples are all only one second long and changed tremendously
>but a lot of the sampled songs i hear i can easily identify the sources from
>where they were sampled. have you EVER used a sound that you sampled that
>could easily be identified as coming from someone else's work? EVER?
of course I did. My intention however wasn't that of making "profit" out of
it. Was of using it for fun. Or as a parody. Or in an absolutely new
contest. I never thought "hey! if I sample Michael Jackson I will become
famous since people will recognize it and buy my record!".
>again, my problem is that is you take someone else's work and use it you
>cannot say that it is ok to do it one way and not ok to do it the other.
uhmmm. Ever heard of concepts like "fair use"?
2 Live Crew sampling Roy Orbison's "Pretty Woman" won their case because
they were making a prody and parody is allowed especially in the US system.
So their use -even of a well known sample- was fair.
I bet the same judge would not say that it is fair to distribute tons of
complete Roy Orbison tracks through Napster.
DjB
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:47:33 +0200
From: Dj Batman <djbatman@olografix.org>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
><< are you crazy? me using one second of a song in an original track, with
the
> application of 4 different sound effects, and you ripping a whole
> commercial cd are the same?
> I don't think so... >>
>
>i must be crazy, because i would apply the legal definition of stealing to
>some one who stole a ten dollars vs. a hundred dollars.
I may be wrong but to me it looks like you are applying the same definition
of stealing to one person who has stolen $100 and to another who borrowed a
banknote and before giving it back to the original owner took a small bit
out, to insert that bit in an original collage.
DjB
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:04:20 +0200
From: Moritz R <webmaster@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote:
> as for me? i will continue to copy and download like a bastard. for those
> who have received CD's from me -- you will notice that my CD's are produced
> by "Bootleg Productions - With no rights observed."
You know what I think: The only reason why you can perform such rethorical
radicalism is because the internet is such an anonymous place. Consider yourself
sitting in one room face to face with some of your favorite musicians, guys like
Martin Denny and whoever you like. And then you go: "Hi, you guys! I know you
guys make music and make a living on selling records, but you know what I want to
do? I will copy your records on CD and send everybody who wants one for free. No!
Wait, I've got a better idea: I will put it on my webside, so thousands of people
can download it for free and you don't get a penny for it. How do you like that?"
Would you do that?
Mo
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:04:40 +0200
From: Moritz R <webmaster@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
Dj Batman wrote:
> rcbrooksco:
> >regardless of what is being "created" you are still taking someone else's
> >music and using it to your benefit. no different that downloading mp3 and
> >not paying for them.
>
> urgh. Not again... ;))
Yes, not reading and/or understanding what's been explained to you in detail
and just repeating *previous* positions is no fun!
Mo
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:21 +0200
From: Moritz R <webmaster@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...
sorry, I have to leave the chat now...
Mo
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:42:19 -0700
From: "paul thomas" <hepcatpaul@lycos.com>
Subject: (exotica) napster kinda stuff
Tiki Bob wrote:
"if you really feel that things like napster are copyright infringement, then
you better never sample others works, copy music (no matter how long out of
production) or join groups like the exotica ring --- all of which promote
wide scale copyright infringement."
~~~> I have to agree here.
I was reading an article online this morning about the recent Senate hearings on Napster with the CEO of Napster and the drummer from Metallica. Someone pointed out that in the early days, Metallica urged their audience to tape and diseminate their music at will ... now they're complaining about being ripped off.
I can't imagine there's anyone on this list who hasn't taped music and sent it on or taped a tv show or duped a movie or xeroxed pages out of a book... we've all violated copyright law.
Just my two centavos.
~~P~~
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Date: 29 Jul 2000 15:56:37 -0700
From: bag@hubris.net
Subject: Re: (exotica) Fred Lowery rarity - hear him talk! Baxter fans, READ
At 05:18 PM 29-07-00 EDT, BasicHip wrote:
>I recently received a video in the mail that contained Vitaphone shorts of
>the Vincent Lopez Orchestra. Featured are a bizarre and incredible
>performance by Betty Hutton doing "Old Man Mose" (is dead) and whistling
>solos by Fred Lowery on "Ride, Tenderfoot, Ride".
Wow, thanks...both mp3s were great! Outstanding quality, too. What
equipment do you have to convert the video audio to mp3? Can you edit
mp3s...if so, what software?
>Also, check out another short MP3 of a comedy sketch between Les Baxter and
>Larry Bunker from a video I have of his sixties show. Baxter takes on
>Bunker on the vibes and bongos. He's darn good BUT you can't beat Larry
>Bunker at his own game!! Also, Beverly Ford gives a brief demonstration of
>her technique for doing birds calls.
Also very fun! Thanks so much for sharing, I had a blast!
Byron
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:51:11 +0200
From: Dj Batman <djbatman@olografix.org>
Subject: Re: (exotica) napster kinda stuff
At 15.42 29/07/00 -0700, you wrote:
>
> I was reading an article online this morning about the recent Senate
hearings on Napster with the CEO of Napster and the drummer from Metallica.
Someone pointed out that in the early days, Metallica urged their audience
to tape and diseminate their music at will ... now they're complaining
about being ripped off.
I perdonally hate Metallica and I think they're a bunch of idiots; anyway
on this point I must remember teh Grateful Dead policy: copies of live
concerts (even in mp3) have always been permitted by the band. Commercial
use has been forbidden. Maybe in their early days Metallica just copied
this idea.
> I can't imagine there's anyone on this list who hasn't taped music and
sent it on or taped a tv show or duped a movie or xeroxed pages out of a
book... we've all violated copyright law.
of course. But the Napster case is different since it allows the creation
of a huge unprecedented network of people committing the violation.
When you buy a blank tape, you pay a tax included in the price. That tax is
going to pay in advance for the recording of copyright material.
This happens with videotapes too and audio cd-r and is the basis for the
legalization of "private copy". Napster just allows you to do the same but
without any compensation.
DjB
p.s. take a look here for the Grateful Dead policy.
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:55:00 +0200
From: Dj Batman <djbatman@olografix.org>
Subject: Re: (exotica) napster kinda stuff
>p.s. take a look here for the Grateful Dead policy.
ooops I sent the mail and forgot the link.
DjB
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:35:14 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <kevin@kevdo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff
Moritz R wrote:
>
> Kevin Crossman wrote:
>
> > Larson/Thomas wrote:
> > > 2. "In Search of Tiki: A Guide for the Urban Archeologist" by Sven Kirsten
> > (explores various aspects of the post-WWII tiki craze).
> >
> > As a matter of fact, no! I knew Sven was coming out with a book, but
> > plan to see it is coming very, very soon! I have now pre-ordered. Wonderful!
>
> The title of Sven's book will be "The Book Of Tiki" and it's not out yet. It
> should be out every day now, so be prepared to find your wildest dreams about
