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exotica-digest         Saturday, July 29 2000         Volume 02 : Number 765



In This Digest:

(exotica) Jim Backus
Re: (exotica) New Guy.. / Seattle
(exotica) Nat's documentry
Re: (exotica) The new BJ!
Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?
Re: (exotica) Napoleon XIV
(exotica) Tiki evening Munich
Re: (exotica) Johnny Socko...
Re: (exotica) Quest for Orgeat
(exotica) Delicious Jim Backus
(exotica) Re: Lalo Schifrin
Re: (exotica) The new BJ!
(exotica) Trader Vic's Drink Mixes.......
Re: (exotica) Nat's documentry
(exotica) Schmalzwald closed, but...
Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?
Re: (exotica) The new BJ!
Re: (exotica) New Guy.. / Seattle
Re: (exotica) tiki lights? / 78's
(exotica) test - my messages bounce
(exotica) re: Napoleon
(exotica) The groove is so mysterious
(exotica) More Tiki stuff
Re:  Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 7.26.00
Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?
Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff
Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff
Re: (exotica) Schmalzwald, new CD
Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff
Re: (exotica) Nat's documentry
(exotica) Napster...
Re: (exotica) Napoleon XIV
Re: (exotica) Napster...
Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff
Re: (exotica) Napster...
Re: (exotica) Napster...
Re: (exotica) Napster...
(exotica) only a test [v]
Re: (exotica) Napster...

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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:21:47 -0700
From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jim Backus

The flip side of Delicious is a nice little ditty called I Need A Vacation.
Great chorus of Oooba Doobas backing Mr. Backus, who sounds as if he's
singing from the confines of a rubber room. Wozard of Id's Mort Garson and
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:37:11 -0700
From: "Mr. Fodder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) New Guy.. / Seattle

> I've been passively observing on the side lines for awhile now, thought
> I would get off my lazy butt, and join in.  I'm a DJ in Seattle, (DJ E-Z
> Action) Where I spin alot of this stuff at the Backdoor Ultralounge (503
> 3rd ave) currently every Tuesday night, for the International Jetset Now
> Sound.  Yes, there is someone still spinning Lounge, exotica, nowsound,
> etc, in a live venue.   I'm it, as far as I know, in the Seattle area.

In a live venue spinning you *are* pretty much it here in the Seattle area
on a regular basis.  I'll have to stop by, groove a bit and say hello.  Once
in a while there will be someone spinning some exotica/lounge at Aerospace
or Baltic Room (both on Capitol Hill), but not on a timely weekly basis.

I do the weekly *Friendly Persuasion* radio show online and play out from
time to time in my band The Bran Flakes locally here in Seattle.  There are
also some really cool spots and bands to see that feature exotica/lounge ...
it's just keeping your eyes peeled on upcoming events and such.

As far as music falling into the Avant-Garde/Experimental area there are
lots of shows and stuff.  Plus local groups like the Sonicabal
(www.sonicabal.com), The Cyberartists, and The Tentacle (www.tentacle.org)
is a great free local newsletter and website publishing events and releases
+ for out-jazz, improv, experimental and more.

Oh yes... and The subterranean underground lair of Cool and Strange Music
Magazine is just over in Everett, WA.  ha ha.

How many others on the list are here in Seattle?  Maybe we should all
caravan down to see EZ-Action spin some sounds.

- - Otis

www.thebranflakes.com
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p.s. - damn i need to post to the list more often.  i am such a digest
lurker.  i love this group tho' very much!!!





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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:34:29 -0700
From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Nat's documentry

Hey Nat! Is your film playing the Vancouver Film Festival?
And.....what's on the soundtrack?
Brian Linds



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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:25:57 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The new BJ!

Yawn... are you guys serious? so much fuzz about NOTHING AT ALL?

Mo




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:25:52 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?

Brian Karasick wrote:

> So, If anyone down USA way is placing an order
> and wants to add one more set for me, I'd be happy to reimburse, either in
> money or music.

Me too!!!
Mo




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:26:13 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napoleon XIV

Brian Phillips wrote:

> Also, the fellow playing drums on that track couldn't keep
> a beat, so what you are listening to is a tape loop.

Which only adds up to my confirm that this song is an incredibly avantgardistic
piece of music. Did the success of this single ever lead to an album? Not only
musically, I'd be interested in the outcoming of the story, like what happened
when he finally arrived in that funny house and lived there and met Jesus and
Hitler and all those other guys...

Mo





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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:29:28 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki evening Munich

Munich is still a hot bed of the Exotica cult. The evening yesterday at
the Glyptothek proved it again. The people of Soundmuseum had invited
Gordon W of Schmaltzwald to perform a cooking event, Mark had brought
some of the bigger Tiki sculptures from the venue in Berlin  and two DJs
spiced the whole thing  with a mix of clasic Exotica. What was special
about this event, was that the Tiki fest was surrounded by the huge
windows of the ancient greek sculpture collection of the Glyptothek,
which made an interesting contrast. Plus the show was transmitted live
via the internet - a fact that I only learned when I was there, so I
couldn't warn you.

The homepage of the soundmuseum is worth a visit: http://soundmuseum.de

Mo




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:32:32 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Johnny Socko...

I want Johnny Socko dammit!!!=20

:-)

>>> Bump <[e-mail]> 07/27/00 05:42PM >>>

no, but i have Ultraman and Spectreman!

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:27:52 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Quest for Orgeat

High approval ratings for Trader Vic's Hawaiian Daiquiri Mix, if you go in
for pineapple. I add fresh squeezed lime juice (Key Limes if you can get
'em) to these cocktails.

Hawaiian Daiquiri
In a blender with one cup crushed ice, add
2 oz. Light Rum
4 oz Hawaiian Daiquiri Mix
Juice of half a Lime OR juice of a whole Key Lime
Blend until almost frozen but still liquid. Serve in a large champagne
glass. Paper parasol optional. A tasty variation on the rocks--just combine
equal parts of the mix and the rum with the lime juice.

Hawaiian Highball
1 1/2 oz. Vodka
4 oz. Hawaiian Daiquiri Mix
Juice of half a Lime OR juice of a whole Key Lime
Serve into a highball glass filled with cubed ice, top off with Soda Water.

Proost! as the Dutch say,
Mimi




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:34:16 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Delicious Jim Backus

Indy wrote:

> It's song 1 on disc 1 of "Dr. Demento 20th Anniversary Collection:
> The Greatest Novelty Records Of All Time".

Allan wrote:

> It's also included on "Frolic Diner Pt 2" [Romulan Records] as is an
> alternate version called "Champagne Coctails" by T.C. Jones.

The alternate (on Frolic Diner vol. 4, in the vinyl version) I think
it's not up to the standard of the original, which is featured also
as track 1-side A on Frolic Diner vol. 3 (vinyl, don't know if it's
also on the cd issue).
That track is way out & too much!
Ciao
Gionni


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:58:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: Lalo Schifrin

>any of you "Exoticats" interested in purchasing these should go to www.shifrin.com.

Hi, Pat, I think you meant www.schifrin.com

Are you the same Pat Jennings who used to play in goal for Arsenal and Northern Ireland?

I recently picked up Lalo's 'Gone with the Wave'.  It's very enjoyable, although I wish it had been a little less jazzy and more lush.

cheers,

Jonny

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:33:57 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) The new BJ!

Seconded.

>>> Moritz R <[e-mail]> 07/28/00 05:25AM >>>

Yawn... are you guys serious? so much fuzz about NOTHING AT ALL?

Mo




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:03:13 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Trader Vic's Drink Mixes.......

Okay, are these good mixes, and how much postage do they charge you for 3 =
8oz. bottles (they don't tell you how much shipping is until AFTER you =
order........).

Anybody?

(And any feedback on the Hawaii in Pittsburgh post that took me an entire =
5min. to type up Dammit!!!) :-)

- - Nate




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:35:16 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nat's documentry

At 12:34 AM 7/28/00 -0700, Brian Linds wrote:
>
>Hey Nat! Is your film playing the Vancouver Film Festival?

No.  It's playing a cool "underground" theater called The Blinding Eye.
People will have to actually pay and I may actually get enough money from
it to bid on one or two records on ebay.

>And.....what's on the soundtrack?

It's an original soundtrack, inspired by the easy listening records I
became obsessed with in the course of making the film.  I'd describe it as
similar to a lot of the dj breakbeat loungehop stuff you hear these days
except that it DOESN'T have the big drum and the big bass.  It's the kind
of music that goes ON TOP OF the big drum and the big bass.

BTW, there is a theatre in Calgary which we expect to pick it up for a
weekend or so...

Nat




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:24 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Schmalzwald closed, but...

Oh no! The Schmalzwald in Berlin closed down.

But they have a homepage now: http://schmalzwald.com

Mo




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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:48:52 -0700
From: "Jeff Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?

Kevin, are the Moai lights you ordered the older, larger style?  If so, I'd
love to know your source.  The ones at cheesylights.com are the new 3"
Freaky Tiki ones, which don't charm me in the slightest.  I've been looking
for the larger, say 7" size for a few years now--they used to sell them at
Archie McPhee's, but no longer.  I remember a (former?) 'lister was trying
to convince the company that owned the molds to sell them to him...

EZ does it,

Jeff Phillips

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:54:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) The new BJ!

In a message dated 7/28/00 10:33:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Seconded.

 >>> Moritz R <[e-mail]> 07/28/00 05:25AM >>>

 Yawn... are you guys serious? so much fuzz about NOTHING AT ALL?

 Mo
  >>

really!  and am i the only one that misses BJ's spirited and interesting
comments?  he-sus!  at least she livened up the place.

sorry i have not been contributing much lately.  been busy with a few
projects.  all swank stuff, mind you,

tb


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:05:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) New Guy.. / Seattle

In a message dated 7/28/00 2:40:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Oh yes... and The subterranean underground lair of Cool and Strange Music
 Magazine is just over in Everett, WA.  ha ha.
  >>

Otis, my man!

Is Everett where the original episodes of Twin Peaks was filmed?  Btw, Miguel
Ferrar who played Agent Albert Rosenfield on Peaks has a great artical at
Luxuriamusic.com.  Check it out.  Really, this is one place that all
Exoticats need to check out.  Dom, Jane and I are regulars!  Tell 'em Tiki
Bob sent you.

TB


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:50:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki lights? / 78's

In a message dated 7/28/00 2:03:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Sometimes I even bring out the portable windup victrola and we play 78's.
 Then we smash them onto the patio after we play them and afterwards, I use
 the shards of brittle shellac to extend the patio a bit further.
 But that's another story.

 Nat >>

wow!  tho i don't really agree with smashing the 78's.

i have a large 78 collection and a few victrolas myself.  great for "great
gatsby" themed parties.

for years i have heard that there was a Denny Quiet Village released on 78 in
Canada and in England.  can any confirm/deny this?

tb


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:52:09 +0200
From: "Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) test - my messages bounce

sorry - test

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:55:19 +0200
From: "Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) re: Napoleon

Geez, my messages keep bouncing.
Anyway, Mo asked if Napeleon XIV ever made an album. Yes, he did. It's
called
The Second Coming. Check out Amazon.com for more info on the CD release.
Also try to find The Napoleon Complex, a comp of 20 cover version/rip-offs
of They're coming to take me away. You'll love the one that goes 'Ich
glaab' die hole mich ab'!!


Marco

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:46:24 +0200
From: Ton =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCckert?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The groove is so mysterious

Wondering if you sometimes ponder about the days back when=20
you took hula dancing classes at that place up the hill...

http://www.salon.com/mwt/comics/barry/2000/07/28/barry/index.html

Recommended to all dancing people, whether a petite Funky Chicken=20
or a veteran of the Watusi!

Cheers, Ton (sadly sans dancing class)


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:43:38 -0700
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) More Tiki stuff

Just got a catalog called "Bud Plant's Incredible Catalog."  I have no idea
as to why I'm on the mailing list, but I noticed 2 books of possible
interest to the list:

1.  "Taboo, Art of the Tiki" by Martin McIntosh (pictures of paintings,
carvings, statues, restaurants, etc.)
2.  "In Search of Tiki: A Guide for the Urban Archeologist" by Sven Kirsten
(explores various aspects of the post-WWII tiki craze).

Sorry if these have been discussed to death already!

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:58:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 7.26.00

In a message dated 7/28/0 1:53:26 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>You notice how many other folks Jimmy sends his playlists to?  He even
>sends them directly to Ursula 1000.  I can't figure out if that's cool or
>asskissing.

Asskissing of course Nat!  Hey if I can get a donation to the collection I'll
do it.


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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:55:15 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Who wanted those tiki lights?

Yes, we have tiki lights now!!!  Thanks for the tip, Nat - we went to
Canadian Tire, and there they were! (it's a rather large
hardware/automotive supply/whatever store).  These ones are about the
size of a tiki mug (6" high), and in 4 lovely bright colours - time to
fire up the BBQ and get the mai tais ready!

Oh, in the tiki tiki tiki tiki tiki room....

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:00:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff

In a message dated 7/28/00 4:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< 1.  "Taboo, Art of the Tiki" by Martin McIntosh (pictures of paintings,
 carvings, statues, restaurants, etc.)
 2.  "In Search of Tiki: A Guide for the Urban Archeologist" by Sven Kirsten
 (explores various aspects of the post-WWII tiki craze).

 Sorry if these have been discussed to death already!

 Jerry
  >>

they have not been discussed much at all.

taboo is spectacular.  of course i am a Shag fan and have some of his work so
i am prejudiced for sure.

sven's book has just come out (if fact i did not know it was out yet).  sven
may be at the Kahiki closing.  has anybody seen sven's book yet?  otto?

can't wait to the Kahiki gig.  that will be the high light of my summer.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:56:03 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff

Larson/Thomas wrote:
> 2.  "In Search of Tiki: A Guide for the Urban Archeologist" by Sven Kirsten
> (explores various aspects of the post-WWII tiki craze).
>
> Sorry if these have been discussed to death already!

As a matter of fact, no!  I knew Sven was coming out with a book, but
plan to see it is coming very, very soon! I have now pre-ordered. Wonderful!

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:57:27 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Schmalzwald, new CD

Almost forgot: The Schmalzwald has a CD out now which apparently is a
Best Of their live performances, featuring this incredible singer "JJ",
the most charismatic person I've seen since Arthur Brown. The CD is
called Pagan Schmalz. I haven't heard it yet, so I don't know if it
works without the visuals; I guess I'd prefer a video. I will come back
on this subject as soon as I got my copy of the CD. Can be ordered
directly from the Schmalzwald homepage at http://Schmalzwald.com and
it's really cheap.

Mo




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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:57:47 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff

Kevin Crossman wrote:

> Larson/Thomas wrote:
> > 2.  "In Search of Tiki: A Guide for the Urban Archeologist" by Sven Kirsten
> (explores various aspects of the post-WWII tiki craze).
>
> As a matter of fact, no!  I knew Sven was coming out with a book, but
> plan to see it is coming very, very soon! I have now pre-ordered. Wonderful!

The title of Sven's book will be "The Book Of Tiki" and it's not out yet. It
should be out every day now, so be prepared to find your wildest dreams about
Tiki come true soon!

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:57:37 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nat's documentry

alan zweig wrote:

> It's an original soundtrack, inspired by the easy listening records I
> became obsessed with in the course of making the film.  I'd describe it as
> similar to a lot of the dj breakbeat loungehop stuff you hear these days
> except that it DOESN'T have the big drum and the big bass.  It's the kind
> of music that goes ON TOP OF the big drum and the big bass.

Nat, you're really incredible. Before most people even got to SEE your docu,
you are already selling the SOUNDTRACK. You know how to start a cult, don't
you?

Mo




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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:19:28 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Napster...

I'm surprised that the closing of Napster hasn't been discussed here in
epic
length. Maybe that's a progress :-).
Just one little list-related thought: As the key question seemed to be
wether Napster was a platform for private data exchange or a commercial
exploitation of producer's rights, a forum like the exotica mailing list

could become a very precious place for legal music swap in the future.
The idea is to publish URL-page-addresses within this list and only
here, that contain MP3 data to download, but have no accessable link on
any other website, which would kind of prove, that they are only made
for list members and therefore "private". It could replace the "exotica
ring".

Mo





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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:26:58 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napoleon XIV

Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek wrote:

> Yes, there is a CD called 'The Second Coming'. As far as I know it's the
> original LP with added bonus tracks. Check out this link from Amazon.com:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000033RJ/o/qid=964809599/sr=2-4/1
> 04-8540183-2148741

Pretty amazing. Seems to be more of a spoken word record though...

Amazon informs us that:

"Customers who bought this title also bought:
Dr. Demento's 30th Anniversary...; Blanc, et al
Silver Apples/Contact; Silver Apples
The Marshall Mathers LP [EXPLICIT LYRICS]; Eminem
Hooray For Boobies [EXPLICIT LYRICS]; Bloodhound Gang

Mo




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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:59:57 +0200
From: Ton =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCckert?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...

>a forum like the exotica mailing list
>could become a very precious place for legal music swap in the future.
>The idea is to publish URL-page-addresses within this list and only
>here, that contain MP3 data to download, but have no accessable link on
>any other website, which would kind of prove, that they are only made
>for list members and therefore "private".=20

>It could replace the "exoticaring".=20

Nothing could replace the exoticaring...

You can ask yourself whether an online warehouse could replace a market
and you would probably say, yes it could, and yet people would still go=20
to the market to buy their goods. I would. You obviously don't have to ask=
=20
anymore whether email could replace sending cards and letters, of course=20
it can, but yet people are still sending letters and cards. I am.=20
And why, probably because once in a while I want to get away from my=20
computer screen and experience very real things in very real time, the=20
object character of a CD or a postcard strikes me as much more appealing=20
and desirable than a virtual internet file, I mean, however much pleasure
you'll get from a story or a novel from the internet, it just doesn't
compare to a book, and so I could download endless versions of Tico=20
Tico onto my harddisk, but yet I'd rather find an exquisite Latinesque=20
CD comp in my mailbox.

Cheers, Ton (still a bit drowsy after a marathon Watusi)


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:25:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) More Tiki stuff

In a message dated 7/28/00 9:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< As a matter of fact, no!  I knew Sven was coming out with a book, but
 plan to see it is coming very, very soon! I have now pre-ordered. Wonderful!
>>

you may want to wait and see about getting an autographed copy directly thru
sven.

tb


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:34:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...

In a message dated 7/29/00 4:21:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Just one little list-related thought: As the key question seemed to be
 wether Napster was a platform for private data exchange or a commercial
 exploitation of producer's rights, a forum like the exotica mailing list >>

i have been following it closely because i download a lot from napster.  i
have always viewed it as a data exchange and that i, the user, am the guilty
one for obtaining the music.  not napster for providing a means to up and
down load 0's and 1's.

again, i don't think napster is doing anything illegal.  the napster users on
the other hand . . . . .

tb


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:44:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...

In a message dated 7/29/00 9:00:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< because once in a while I want to get away from my
 computer screen and experience very real things in very real time, the
 object character of a CD or a postcard strikes me as much more appealing
 and desirable than a virtual internet file, >>

those files are only virtual until you convert them to wavs and burn them to
a CD.  and i don't view those files a virtual anyway.   they are there on my
hard drive, physically, and can be utilized in many different ways.

for me, nothing is better than free music (yes at someone's, usually the
record company's expense).

ton, no offense, but your argument that you like to "get out" to the record
store is very individualistic.  and that is ok.  me?  i like to do things not
in front of the computer too (the idea that i am saying this sound a little
crazy to me -- everybody feels the same way).

for me, pouring over 16 dollar CD's at a store is not my idea of having fun.

sorry if i misunderstood your comments, and again, in no way do i want to
offend.  i just feel like typing this morning.

tb


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:04:39 +0200
From: Dj Batman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...

>i have been following it closely because i download a lot from napster.  i
>have always viewed it as a data exchange and that i, the user, am the guilty
>one for obtaining the music.  not napster for providing a means to up and
>down load 0's and 1's.
>
>again, i don't think napster is doing anything illegal.  the napster users
on
>the other hand . . . . .

let's put it this way: I (yes, me, Dj Batman!) am suing Napster together
with other people. Why?
I am sure that Napster is just a software for exchanging data, yet it was
clearly designed for mp3 trading despite what they may say. Now, I think I
am very openminded on copyright issues (I sample a lot of stuff and I have
nothing against sampling, for example... even if sometimes you *have* to
ask permission and you can't avoid that). Also, I have been giving several
free tracks of my own stuff on dozens of different internet sites. Check
for example http://www.mp3.com/djbatman and
http://stage.vitaminic.com/dj_batman
But when I give away something for free on these services, I usually get
something else; I am not referring to money since I made practically no
money with my personal mp3 tracks (but I've sold cds and tracks by other
productions I or other friends have made). I am referring to people seeing
a webpage, contacting me or the other artists, asking for more stuff like
that or sending negative critiques... whatever. I have put one free track,
particularly, "Fascinating Destroyer", on several sites. One of those,
www.riffage.com, decided to use it on his promo cd-rom "Jetset" (it has
even been used as the mai theme music when you run the cd) and also on
"Best of Riffage Techno" which was not a promo but cd/cd-r commercial release.
Still, no money, but great promotion and some satisfaction for all the hard
work and all the time spent making tracks, putting up websites, getting
contacts etc.
I can't get anything of all this from Napster (not yet, at least).

Second, through my label I administer online rights for other people. I
don't own these people's tracks (even if I may have percentages on sales).
These people give me a license of putting the tracks for sale or for free
in certain places. Their stuff ends up in Napster. In their opinion, if
they have a damage from this, I may be liable because I should have
prevented circulation in unauthorized sites...
Alessandroni is one of these: he makes most of the money on mp3.com simply
by free plays/downloads (payback for playback). You can always see how much
he has earned from the beginning of that webpage by reading the earnings
amount under his picture, on the right column at
http://www.mp3.com/alessandroni
You can still play/download stuff all free, but the artist is compensated
and encourage to publish more.
I am going to have online music by a noted female vocalist thar worked with
Morricone and Alessandroni. The people who put me in contact with this
person may not like the problem with Napster filesharing...

Finally, there were even rumours that Napster (like some areas in mp3.com
and www.emusic.com) was becoming a paid subscription service. With the
substantial difference that mp3.com and emusic are spending MILLIONS in $
to get licenses to use certain material in their subscription services.
In other words: WOULD YOU *PAY FOR SUBSCRIPTION* TO A PIRATE
SATELLITE/CABLE TV?!?!!?!?!?!?

Anyway: looks like that Napster wont be shut down after all (see the latest
news) and they are even hiring someone who will deal with licensing issues
etc. ...

Just my 2 cents, and now I hope I don't get flamed too much...

p.s. just curious: any other artists/musicians in here that have had their
stuff on Napster against their will?



regards,
Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista

CEO/A&R, Kutmusic and Ecl3ctic labels
http://www.kutmusic.com



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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:46:35 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) only a test [v]

Pardon me... just one of two posts trying to debug why some of my recent
posts take a day or so to come through.

I'll throw in a couple of amusing links, so it's not a total loss.

Sodaconstructor (java required):
http://sodaplay.com/constructor/index.htm





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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:48:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster...

In a message dated 7/29/00 10:08:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< let's put it this way: I (yes, me, Dj Batman!) am suing Napster together
 with other people. Why?
 I am sure that Napster is just a software for exchanging data, yet it was
 clearly designed for mp3 trading despite what they may say. Now, I think I
 am very openminded on copyright issues (I sample a lot of stuff and I have
 nothing against sampling, for example... even if sometimes you *have* to
 ask permission and you can't avoid that).  >>

everybody read that last sentence above again - the sentence starting "Now, I
think I am very open-minded on copyright issues."

let me get this straight.  you have a problem with others stealing your music
but you don't have a problem with "sampling" "a lot of stuff"?

and "sometimes" you "have" to ask permission.  so sometimes you don't ask
permission?

i am sorry because i cannot say this with out sounding harsh:  "sampling"
others works is the same thing when people download mp3 WITH THE HELP of
napster.

now keep in mind i don't think sampling is bad just as i don't see how you
can shut down a service for helping the exchange of data.  are either
activities illegal for the "sampler" or "downloader"?  probably.  more like
definitely. but not for the software company.

i just don't see how you can say one is ok and not the other.

let's look at this sampling v. downloading a different way.  one may argue
that at least the person who downloads the mp3's FOR THEIR OWN USE are not
profiting from the download.  yes, they are saving money and yes the artist
and the hordes of middlemen are missing some profits.

ok, now let's go to sampling.  those who sample are USUALLY doing it to MAKE
money.  whether it is a dj gig or making a musical number to sell.

so with that argument the sampler is actually using SOMEONE ELSE'S
"intellectual property" for personal profit gain.  you are selling someone
else's work. period.

now i do not believe that the argument that they are small "samples" has
anything to do with it.  even if it is a nanosecond long, it is someone
else's nanosecond.

again, i do not have a problem with sampling or mp3 downloading -- i just
don't think you can argue that one is wrong without admitting that the other
is wrong (or substitute right for wrong if you like).

and still again, i do not mean to sound too harsh.  just allowing my opinion.

tb


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