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exotica-digest         Saturday, April 8 2000         Volume 02 : Number 679



In This Digest:

RE: (exotica) Wu Name
RE: (exotica) Wu Name
Re: (exotica) Wu Name
Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...
Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...
RE: (exotica) Wu Name
Re: (exotica) Not disappointed -
(exotica)  (not particularly) Disappointed ...
Re:  RE: (exotica) Wu Name
Re:  Re: (exotica) Not disappointed -
(exotica) breakbeat, sleazy, downtempo, oy vey
(exotica) Luke Vibert / BJ Cole?
Re: (exotica) Manneken Pis
RE: (exotica) Wu Name
(exotica) Finds and a concert review (Long, but you know me...hope you don't get two copies!)
(exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"
(exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"
(exotica) more about BJ
RE: RE: (exotica) Wu Name
Re: (exotica) Manneken Pis
(exotica) [obits]Robert Gage, Grace Buscher Guslander
RE: (exotica) Wu Name
Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...
Re: (exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"
Re:  (exotica)  (not particularly) Disappointed ...
Re: (exotica) more about BJ
Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...

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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:51:50 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Lou Smith
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:42 AM

> Wanted a Wu-tang Clan identity.
> Went to:
> http://www.recordstore.com/wuname/
> http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl

Martin Denny - Violent Toilet Thing
Enoch Light - Touchy-Feely Unpublished Poet
Arthur Lyman - Contagious Specialist
Serge Gainsbourg - Ultra-Chronic Monstah
Walter Wanderley - Sabre-Toothed Portillo

Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.

Later,
Tha Visible Choirboy

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
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Date: 7 Apr 2000 18:52:49 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

At 05:51 PM 07-04-00 -0700, Tha Visable Choirboy wrote:
>> Wanted a Wu-tang Clan identity.
>> http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl
>Martin Denny - Violent Toilet Thing
>Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.



That is great!

Byron
Asthmatic Enemy of God

(well, nearsighted anyway)


Byron Caloz
Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way
http://www.hubris.net/zolac
The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth


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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:58:42 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Wu Name

> >> Wanted a Wu-tang Clan identity.
> >> http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl

> >Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.

Well, that was my laugh of the evening!

cheryl  (bastard, BASTARD Harbour-Mastah)  (tee hee)


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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:09:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...

In a message dated 4/7/00 4:48:01 AM EST,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Perhaps BJ's departure is indicative not of our
 lack of understanding of her individuality but of her actual inability to
 settle down with us. >>


No I think it was simply down to being an asshole.

Ashley


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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:19:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...

In a message dated 4/7/00 12:01:04 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< BJ was
 an entirely different case than that jerk Andrew, who clearly wanted to
 pick fights. She had *some* solid info to share, and she loves music as
 much as any of us. Isn't that what eXotica is about? Joining you in hoping
 we'll return to our usual discussion and that we behave with greater
 tolerance next time a temperamental poster subscribes to the list. Mimi >>


Mimi, I praise you for your sense of democracy and diplomacy on this matter.
But the problem with BJ was that BJ was guilty of the very sins you are
lobbying against. There have been debates and outright fights on this list
and I have come to respect  many of the people I have had to spar with and
I'm glad they are there to keep the list interesting and if I'm out of line
put me in my place. But it was BJ's very pompous, self-righteous attitude
that I took offense to. You can disagree but at least do it in style and with
something intelligent to say. Everyone is wrong sometime, it is just that BJ
never gor off her pedestal long enough to join us humans.

By the way I have already received an off the list bard from this woman who
just can't seem to be without the final word on anything.

Ashley


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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:31:13 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

At 05:51 PM 4/7/00 -0700, Benito Vergara wrote:
>
>> Wanted a Wu-tang Clan identity.
>> Went to:
>> http://www.recordstore.com/wuname/
>> http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl
>
>Martin Denny - Violent Toilet Thing
>Enoch Light - Touchy-Feely Unpublished Poet
>Arthur Lyman - Contagious Specialist
>Serge Gainsbourg - Ultra-Chronic Monstah
>Walter Wanderley - Sabre-Toothed Portillo
>
>Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.
>
>Later,
>Tha Visible Choirboy

Just call me the Sullen Choirboy.  That kind of fits me I guess.  It fits
me a bit more than my wu-name for the name my parents gave me.  In that
guise I am the Optimistic Lyricist.



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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:49:06 -0400
From: Citizen Kafka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Not disappointed -

I've found that people with reactionary and conservative
political/personal agendii are often smug and secure in an annoying way
- - case in point, BJ. Throw in possible ACA or other first person bad
experience with addiction, and you've got someone who is simply glued to
the soapbox. As a chronic abuser of substances and a part-time pedant it
was hard for me not to jump in and discuss/argue... but simply not worth
it. The feeling that nothing would change her mind or opinions detracted
from the motivation to participate in a one sided discussion... I've
certainly had my say on this list, and been properly 'spanked;' even if
my opinions aren't changed, the feedback from intelligent people with
differing viewpoints is valuable. BJ did not seem to be a participant,
more like a guest lecturer. I believe the vehemence of some of the
responses was a reaction to her rigidity. I don't applaud that sort of
rudeness, but it's understandable.

Long live the list.

ck


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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:10:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica)  (not particularly) Disappointed ...

Perhaps BJ's departure is indicative not of our
lack of understanding of her individuality but of her actual inability to
settle down with us.


No I think it was simply down to being an asshole.

I'm glad sombody had the testicular fortitude to speak the ultimate
truth....And that's the facts as they lay.  Hey, it happens and we all know
it to be true


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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:13:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  RE: (exotica) Wu Name

In a message dated 4/7/0 10:32:47 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Just call me the Sullen Choirboy.  That kind of fits me I guess.  It fits
>me a bit more than my wu-name for the name my parents gave me.  In that
>guise I am the Optimistic Lyricist.

Is it just me? Or is this thread just not decipherable?  JB/What Is Hip?


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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:16:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Not disappointed -

BJ did not seem to be a participant,
more like a guest lecturer

yet another truth...and its surprising that this is so rare in such a
worldwide format...Like the man said, "Long Live The Liszt"~


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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:04:15 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) breakbeat, sleazy, downtempo, oy vey

So you want to know what I got for the twenty odd jazz CD's I traded in?\

Bobby Hughes, Fusa Riot.  Yes it's good.
The Cinematic Orchestra, Motion.  I mentioned this last week.  I think it's
very good.  Remind me of Alice Coltrane in spots.  But you have to like the
jazz sound.
Azymuth, Pieces of Ipanema.  This is probably the loser of the bunch but it
was used and cheap and I traded it in for two of the CD's that the first
store wouldn't even take.  I like some of it and I will play it again.
Tosca, Suzuki.  This might be my favourite.  I don't exactly know why I
ignored these Kruder and Dorfmeister guys.  I hate to think it was racism
on my part but I guess I still don't associate names like that with shaking
your booty.  This has great packaging too.
And finally, what I'll have to choose for now as my favourite:
Marc Moulin: Placebo Sessions 1971-1974
This is pretty amazing especially since I never heard of it and because
Philip Catherine is actually involved (someone I dismissed totally.)
Has this been mentioned on the list? I don't remember it.  If you don't
know it, this guy's records were apparently huge priced collector's items.
The music is sort of a  funkier, less improvised Bitches Brew kind of thing
but with a bit of blaxploitation or crime jazz thrown into the mix.  I
think it's amazing and all the more for not being something absolutely
tailored to this market like most of the other things.
I heard the DJmeDJyou and kind of liked it.  I may purchase it someday.
I also liked some stuff I heard by Red Snapper.  That goes on my future
list too.
I forgot to take Brian and Brother Cleve's lists with me but I will next
time.  If there is a next time.  This stuff could be really expensive if
you don't have a bunch of jazz CD's to trade with.

Sullen Choirboy



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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:23:36 +0000
From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Luke Vibert / BJ Cole?

Would any CD-burnin' fella or fellina who owns the Stop the Panic CD be
willing to rip it for me in exchangefor a tasty morsel from my tradelist??

http://www.lobue-art.com/trade.html

Hope so!

Keith

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A virtual gallery and info
site for the artwork and
workshops of KEITH E. LO BUE
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:27:44 +1000
From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Manneken Pis

on 8/4/00 1:03 AM, m.ace at [e-mail] wrote:


> habeus corpus. Don't forget Australia's draconian new net content regulations.
>
Which have been drafted with no understanding of the technology so that half
an hour after a "take down notice" is issued the site is up and running on a
USA server plus all the publicity it could hope for in the local media.

Philip
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:44:55 +0200
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

 >Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.

Eh, how about Jane's?

Jane Fondle!  your Wu-Name is  Undiscovered Bum

Cheers, Ton


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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:39:29 -0700
From: "Hagar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Finds and a concert review (Long, but you know me...hope you don't get two copies!)

I must admit, this wasn't an easy post to write.  It's about my usual stuff
and a friend of mine.  Thanks to my wife for editing it.  I have been very
busy, so this post is very late.  Hope you find it interesting.

I just got back from Los Angeles and Park City, Utah (Madame has always
wanted to go to a film festival) where we attended the Sundance Film
Festival.

I will leave out the Film review stuff, save for the fact that one of the
Festival trailers for Sundance featured an excerpt of "Close Your Eyes" by
none other than Don Tiki!  These trailers were played before many movies, so
quite a few heard it.  Bravo Mr. Tiki!  [Ed. note: I posted this bit already
and he knows.]

Finds:

Didn't have much time to do much shopping, so I made a beeline for Bagatelle
Records.  Nice Exotica, reasonably priced.

It was a stereo celebration:
The Three Suns - Movin' and Groovin', in the original Stereo Action sleeve.
This was my first time seeing this record.

Latin-Esque - Esquivel.  Also in the Stereo Action, but a second issue.

The Eloise Trio.  This features the wonderfully ear-splitting "Chi Chi
Merengue" (isn't that right, Mr. Lobue?), although there is an alternate and
wilder take of the same song on the "Showtime at the Drumbeat" compilation.
Eloise Lewis (guitar and vocals), along with Bucky and Bert sing "Goombay
and Latin rhythms", according to liner notes (Goombay is a celebration, not
a genre).  It is a rather pleasant collection of Calypso music, featuring a
weird version of "La Bamba" (spelled "La Bomba" on the album) credited to
Leo Robin and Ralph Rainger so one can only guess who made it to the
publisher first with a old Mexican folk song in their hands.  Firstly, the
Spanish is off ("Arriba La Siba?"), it is decidedly slower than other
versions I have heard (the speed prize is still held by Bud and Travis, who
have a nice fan page at http://eserver.org/home/tom/budandtravis.html ),
however, it is still pleasant.  Although King Kini may disagree with me (he
has a picture of the album on his site!), I don't know if I would recommend
this to someone as a must-have Calypso album, but as a nice-to-have Calypso
album.  I would recommend the "Real Calypso" album on Folkways, with the
forewarning that none of it dates from the fifties and does NOT sound like
Belafonte (not that I dislike his Calypso, it is just different).

Concert:

Warning!  Not quite Exotica.  Repeat, not quite Exotica!

Glenn Horiuchi and Friends, January 22, 2000

I will confess to being a bit biased, as Glenn Horiuchi is a friend of my
wife's and mine.

What is his music like?  Well, I thought he was a Jazz musician, originally.
Yes, he is, but that would be limiting the scope of his art.  His music
reflects his Asian heritage, avant-garde influences and his political
leanings.  While some artists have written political songs, without taking
any action (hello, Ian Hunter)or some have taken political stances and
claimed that they were merely entertainers when challenged (how are you,
Rush Limbaugh?), Horiuchi has most certainly gotten involved, working with
the Redress and Reparation movement for Asian concentration camp survivors
of World War II (that would be the U.S. camps, not Germany's).  So with
regards to his politics, it may be said that he has not only composed, he
has campaigned!

The concert (no I didn't forget!) started out with "San Mi" (3 tones), which
he played on the Shamisen, a three-stringed Japanese instrument (it looks
like a banjo), with the San-Mi Shamisen Ensemble.  This group features a
Shamisen virtuoso, Lilian Nakano, who, as he later said, got him interested
in playing this instrument.  The piece was well-played by the ten-person
ensemble, even though Horiuchi himself said to the audience he was worried
about throwing them off (!).

Next was "Issei Spirit".  This was a solo piano piece, played by Horiuchi in
what we would consider to be good old Ferrante & Teicher style; in other
words, after sitting down to play, he immediately stood up and started
plucking the strings!  After that, he then began to play (perhaps attack
would be a better word) the piano, alternating note clusters with chords,
played notes and even shouted at the strings, reminding me of Stomu
Yamashta.  A fiery and disturbing piece.

"Celebration" from his Poston Sonata (Poston was a concentration camp).  It
featured Lilian Nakano on the Shamisen, Francis Wong on the Saxophone and
William Roper on the Tuba.  While I am reasonably certain that this is one
of the few pairings of Shamisen and Tuba, the problem of balance never
intruded.  The Shamisen (amplified) and the other two instruments played off
of each other well.  Roper coaxed many odd sonorities from his Tuba, even
knocking the side of it.

"Oxnard Beet" (a solo piano piece dedicated to the 1903 sugar beet strike by
Japanese and Mexican farmworker in Oxnard, CA) was played most energetically
by Jon Jang.  This was my favorite piece of the night (admittedly, the most
Jazz-based).  It is both melodic and percussive (the composition is based
partially on taiko drum rhythms, according to one of his albums' liner
notes).

The last piece, "Dewdrop" was yet another pairing of Shamisen and Tuba,
featuring Horiuchi on Shamisen, Roper on Tuba and Wong on Saxophone.  This
was a most challenging piece, that went on rather long.  Many sections of it
were quite interesting and some, I must confess, were in a different musical
language, which is good, as it keeps listeners on their toes, as it were.

All in all, a fabulous program, including a Classical Japanese Dance (with
vocals and Shamisen by Ms. Nakano).  Quite literally, something for
everyone.

Horiuchi has played with many musicians, including Joseph Jarman and Wadada
Leo Smith and  released twelve albums under his own name, starting in 1988.

What is he doing now?

According to the program, "His present project is his battle with colon
cancer, which was diagnosed in August 1999."

Glenn Horiuchi is in stage four of the disease, which is considered
terminal, however, as he rightly pointed out during the concert, "We're ALL
terminal!".

This concert was not only a great evening of music; it was also a testament
to this man's resolve, faith and humor, since it was doubtful that he was
going to be able (well enough) to PLAY (he attended the reception
afterwards, part of the time laying on his stretcher).  His condition is
sadly resonant for me since he is the same age as my brother (44) and
suffering from the same disease that took my father from me in 1992.

Glenn Horiuchi is taking all of it with inner strength and fortitude that
humbles me.  Had one not read the program, you would have heard a fellow
explaining his music and his journeys, while laughing out loud at times.
Referring to his rather hermetic dedication to his music, "...I was
politically active for some years, then I got into music full-time,
HAHAHAHA!  I used to have friends, HAHAHAHA!"  Later, one would be surprised
that the reason he stated for his being tired during the concert was due to
his cancer.

America has no great love of it's composers, whether it be helping new ones
or supporting current ones.  Yes, there are programs of study and yes, we
have more record companies than anyone else, however, compare this with
Italy, who does no less than support music with government funds.  Music is
a part of the budget.

In the USA, you can get grants, on occasion, or you can hope that your music
charts and does well.  However, Horiuchi's various milieus are not Billboard
chart-topping, MTV heavy rotation, cool tour t-shirt stuff, so he reaped the
occasional harvest of the modern American composer:

The occasional festival or concert.
The albums on small labels.
The recognition of few.

Through all of this, Horiuchi composes great music and his great spirit
persists.

It was good to attend this celebration of his music, for as my Cousin Sarah
used to say, "It's good to get flowers while you can still see them."


Brian Phillips

P.S.  His music and discography are available at
http://www.asianimprov.com/artists_one.asp?artistid=5



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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:32:43 -0700
From: "B. Yost" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"

During some recent travel I picked up a 1975 Enoch Light record on
Project 3 called "The Disco Disque."  He has versions of well-known
disco classics such as "The Hustle", "Lady Marmalade", "TSOP", and "Pick
Up the Pieces" among others.

One song he does though I wasn't familiar with, and it's really a
standout.  It's called "Hijack", written by F. Arbex.  Can anyone tell
me who did this originally?  The lyric is something like, "I'm going to
hijack your love," and there's a nearly-constant vamping flute
throughout that is great.

When you pick up an album like this, there's something like disbelief,
at least for me, that the same person who did all those great Command
albums would end up also covering tunes like this.  On one hand, it
seems like a desperate attempt to remain relevant in an era that had
largely abandonded easy listening and light music.  But on another
level, the record is really quite good.

Bert Kaempfert does a version of "Shaft" on one of his records that is
also strong, but his back up vocalists who sing out "Shaft!" sound so
amazingly "white" and inauthentic, whatever that means, that I always
laugh when hearing it.  They don't seem to hit the vocal hard enough; it
just sounds weak, like singers with a vitamin deficiency or something.

"Shut your mouth"!

- -- Brad




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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:37:34 -0700
From: "B. Yost" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"

What a weird coincidence.

I hadn't realized until now, but on the same trip, I also picked up a
1975 album by Herbie Mann called "Discotheque" which has this same song,
"Hi-Jack" as well as "Lady Marmalade".  I dare say Enoch's version is
the superior one.

- -- Brad




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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:58:11 -0700
From: "B. Yost" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) more about BJ

I was out of town when this final BJ debacle happened, and I haven't
read every word about what transpired.

In general, I am really pleased at the genteel nature of the discourse
on the Exotica list.  It seems pretty mature and adult overall.  I think
it's positive that we are publicly examining what occurred with BJ
instead of just ignoring it and moving on.

One of the things BJ was critized or ridiculed for in these last weeks
was an obsessive concern with her computer/data security and doing
backups, etc.  I sort of felt like saying, who are we to judge anyone on
obsessive characteristics?  This is all relative.  We on exotica (not
all certainly) are the people who think nothing of spending hundreds of
dollars on just the right phono stylus or needle, on just the right
audio gear or turntable, on our Nitty Gritty LP cleaners.  We talk
proudly about how we categorize our music collections, how we store
them, computer databases of our collections, etc.  We crawl on hands and
knees through some of the filthiest thrift stores and flea markets to
find our treasures.  To the world at large, *we* are obsessed freaks.
And that's fine.  We're not all the same, and that's a good thing.

I admit I raised my eyebrows about much of BJ's posts; she was all the
things people have said:  rigid, opinionated, unbending.  But I would
hope we could accommodate differences like this, even differences that
rub us the wrong way.  People in our own lives no doubt cut us a lot of
slack.

- -- Brad



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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:28:05 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:13 PM

> In a message dated 4/7/0 10:32:47 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Just call me the Sullen Choirboy.  That kind of fits me I guess.  It fits
> >me a bit more than my wu-name for the name my parents gave me.  In that
> >guise I am the Optimistic Lyricist.
>
> Is it just me? Or is this thread just not decipherable?  JB/What Is Hip?

It's a Wu-Tang thang -- you wouldn't understand. =)

No, I was cleaning my emailbox when I came across an old posting by Lou
Smith on finding your Wu-name at http://www.recordstore.com/wuname/. A
reference to the hiphop (super)group the Wu-Tang Clan (RZA, Raekwon, Method
Man, Ghostface Killah, Ol' Dirty Bastard, GZA, and I know I'm leaving
someone out...).

So Nat, we seem to be both Choirboys! Anyone else?

Later,
Tha Visible Choirboy

p.s. "John Zorn" has a strangely appropriate Wu-name as well.

np: "vision one: vision festival 1997"

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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:38:33 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Manneken Pis

>been nailed for it), but we can't see pert and
>harmless fun-bags unveiled on TV or in the papers or
>on the beaches (although there doesn't seem to be a

Ben, you need to get out more:

http://www.aanr.com/aanrclub.html



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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:47:16 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) [obits]Robert Gage, Grace Buscher Guslander

                            *Robert Gage
    NEW YORK (AP) -- Robert Gage, an art director with the DDB
Worldwide advertising agency and a director of well-known
television ads, died Tuesday of a staph infection. He was 78.
    Gage directed well-known characters like Mikey and his brothers
for Life cereal, and actors like Jack Guilford, who appeared in
Cracker Jack commercials, as well as Laurence Olivier, who was in
commercials for the Polaroid SX70 camera.
    He also worked on the well-known campaign for the Polaroid
One-Step camera, which featured commercials with James Garner and
Mariette Hartley.
    Gage, who retired in 1992, won numerous industry awards for
print advertising with a bold, inventive use of typography. He was
also skilled with photography and television, specializing in
filming commercials with characteristic quick cuts.
    In 1972, Gage was the first art director in advertising to be
inducted into the Art Directors Hall of Fame.

                      *Grace Buscher Guslander
    WAILUA, Hawaii (AP) -- Grace Buscher Guslander, longtime manager
of the Coco Palms Hotel featured in the movie ``Blue Hawaii,'' died
of heart failure on Wednesday. She was 89.
    Guslander, who built the Coco Palms into the prototype for
classic Polynesian resorts, was the widow of longtime hotel
executive Lyle Guslander.
    Her first venture into hotel management, Coco Palms soon
developed an international reputation. Its lagoon was the backdrop
for Elvis Presley's wedding scene in ``Blue Hawaii.''
    She became the first woman to be named ``Man of the Year'' at
New York City's international hotel, motel and restaurant show in
1979.



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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:11:58 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Wu Name

At 02:44 PM 4/8/00 +0200, Ton Rueckert wrote:
>
> >Nat Kone has the best Wu-Tang name, however.
>
>Eh, how about Jane's?
>
>Jane Fondle!  your Wu-Name is  Undiscovered Bum

Number one, when you say this person or that person has the best name it
sounds like they came up with it themselves.  Number two, if indeed Jane
and I have the best names, that would be rather disappointing given that I
believe both our non-wu names are pseudonyms.  Finally I don't know how
Ms.Bum feels about this but I think it's a bit creepy to think that people
go to this website and when they don't like their own wu-name, they see
what our wu-names are.  Try your children.  Try your boss.  Try your wife.
 Let us discover our wu-names on our own.

Damn I'm sullen.

Choirboy



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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:27:22 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...

I'm disappointed that BJ is gone, but her domination campaign is still
hanging over the list.

But since everyone else is, I might as well say my little piece.

It was a strange and subtle case. She wasn't the usual flamer or troll as
you will find on nastier lists, and I can even imagine that her intentions
were good, from her point of view. But cranky confrontations kept
condensing around her, getting worse all the time. She shared some of the
same music interests, but I believe her core sensibility was very different
from most of us. An "oil don't mix with water" situation. A blowup was
inevitable. The hive was slowly driven to a defensive reaction.

Yes, some the posts got out of hand at the end, but I think it was out of
pure exasperation. We *did* try the gentle touch with her for several
months and she only got worse. I tried reasonable discussion with her on a
couple of threads, but she would conveniently ignore my main points,
nitpick on some minor point of syntax and repeat her original dictum. You
simply *couldn't* discuss things with her. I've been avoiding posting to
the list somewhat, because I got sick and tired of having her police
everything I said. I even considered un-subbing, 'cause her effect on the
list was so depressing. Such crankiness and tension. We've been testy on
occasion (and it always passed quickly), but there was NEVER the sort of
atmosphere that developed during her reign.

I agree, we should remember to maintain our gentility and cocktail cool.
But on the other hand, does that mean we should allow someone to come in
here and bully us? BJ refused to make any accommodations to our established
environment. Instead, she was forcing us to accommodate her -- twisting the
list to her preference. That was unfair and wrong. It's a shame to be
reduced to such a level, but I was very relieved that she finally got
annoyed enough to leave (presuming she's not lurking).

There was a time when this list felt like a very hip cocktail party loaded
with casually wise and witty repartee. Lately, that's felt like a long,
long time ago. Hopefully, we can work our way back a little closer to that
standard now.

Less train-spotting, more train-riding!

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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:25:09 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Enoch's "Disco Disque"

At 09:32 AM 4/8/00 -0700, B. Yost wrote:
>
>Bert Kaempfert does a version of "Shaft" on one of his records that is
>also strong,

Pretty well everyone did Shaft, didn't they?
The disco period Enoch Light that I've heard, I didn't like much.  I think
he did Shaft also.  Or something like that.  And I remember it being okay
but the packaging of the double record was so cheesy (in the bad sense of
the word) and so un-Commandy that I couldn't stand to keep it even with the
odd cool tune.
I don't know if he did Shaft but my favourite disco era - or at least Soul
Train era - cover versions are by Lenny Dee.  They're both horrible and
great in the way that the best of this cheese can be.  Check out his Love
Train.
The ez listening guy who made the best records - best in the sense of
actually good and not very cheesy - was Percy Faith.  His version of Shaft
is almost as good as the original except it has no vocals.  And his Black
Magic Woman record is pretty well great front to back.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:24:14 -0700
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica)  (not particularly) Disappointed ...

>No I think it was simply down to being an asshole.>

Too true, but let's be clear - nobody to my knowlege has lamented the fact
that BJ got regularly corrected for saying some really dumb-ass things, or
the fact that she no longer wastes the bandwidth to post them. In fact most
of us are glad she's gone.

I was more than a little dismayed by the way the discourse got personal and
mean-spirited. I agree that she often forgot that she was treading heavily
on the closely-held beliefs/opinions/feelings of others with her pedantic
yammering, but repayment in-kind is a never-ending cycle that is just not
constructive, and creates a vibe that benefits nobody.

Knowing someone is an asshole is one thing - but how you tell them so can
make all the difference in the world! THAT'S what I have been trying to say.
Disappointed in the process, not necessarily the outcome.

You got that, assholes?  [big, sly, friendly grin]

Love on y'all,

Ron


>Perhaps BJ's departure is indicative not of our
>lack of understanding of her individuality but of her actual inability to
>settle down with us.
>
>
>No I think it was simply down to being an asshole.
>
>I'm glad sombody had the testicular fortitude to speak the ultimate
>truth....And that's the facts as they lay.  Hey, it happens and we all know
>it to be true




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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:42:24 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) more about BJ

At 09:58 AM 4/8/00 -0700, B. Yost wrote:
>
>One of the things BJ was critized or ridiculed for in these last weeks
>was an obsessive concern with her computer/data security and doing
>backups, etc.  I sort of felt like saying, who are we to judge anyone on
>obsessive characteristics?
> We talk proudly about how we categorize our music collections, how we store
>them, computer databases of our collections, etc.  We crawl on hands and
>knees through some of the filthiest thrift stores and flea markets to
>find our treasures.

I mostly ignored this part of the BJ saga because I had no idea what anyone
was talking about.   But was she really criticized for this particular
obsessive habit or did people just say "Wow that's obsessive"?  This is
just speculation on my part but I suspect that if you said such a thing to
BJ, instead of grinning sheepishly and admitting "Yeah I'm kind of
obsessive in that way I guess" - which most of us would do if the subject
concerned OUR obsession - she would probably defend her habits as utterly
logical and correct; and then she'd proceed to criticize you for not
recognizing that her habit represented the true and righteous path.
The beauty of this list is that no one takes themselves too seriously.  Or
maybe they do but not HERE.  And maybe they don't do it here because THEY
know that WE know that they're just obsessive music freak/geek/nerds like us.
Or maybe they found their humility one day standing outside themselves and
watching themselves digging under rocks for yet another version of Caravan
or Mais Que Nada by some guy with an electric accordion and a beat box.
But they have humility.  And you can always put a pin in them and say
"Interesting viewpoint Sherlock but then again, you're a freak!"
Say what you want in her favour but BJ had zero humility.
The worst part of it for me is that I'll never be able to see or hear a
Walter Wanderly record again without thinking "Yeah but his biggest fan was
a self-righteous whatchamacallit"

Nat



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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:21:54 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappointed ...

Ashley and CK and Jimmy B and others--

The whole Affaire des BJ has left me pensive and sad. Like you, Ashley, I
love sparring with people on the list--I appreciate correction along with
the play of argument. Perhaps like you, CK, I privately think that BJ's
rigidity could have been a symptom of a deeper difficulty that, frankly, I
had no desire to address. Her intolerance made me very uncomfortable and
sometimes angry, and who needs that crap? I found myself deleting many of
her posts unread--before she challenged us to do so--because BJ's imperious
attitude so repelled me. Unlike you, Jimmy B, I don't think absolute truths
are to be found in this complicated situation. Dismiss me as a wishy-washy
relativist if you will, but Jimmy, I do believe there is probably more
going on with BJ than we will ever know. And I keep wondering if a terrible
loneliness prompted her to post on every imaginable topic. If that's the
case, my heart goes out to her, and I wish her serenity and companionship
IRL--in real life.

Is this hypocrisy? Am I being as presumptive as BJ here? Maybe.

When BJ first signed on, I was delighted. Outside of Cheryl, other women
seldom post to the list. On eXotica I sometimes feel like a babe in
boyland-- I'm an outsider in a dress who sometimes crashes the boys' rough
and tumble games.  Mulling over this incident last night, I wondered if
some of the venom directed at BJ contained more than a grain of
sexism--let's put this uppity opinionated bitch in her place. It's
uncomfortable to have such thoughts about a list that I so enjoy, where I
consider myself among friends. Yet there you are. I really miss Jill. Come
back, Alarmingly Named Wolfman.

I couldn't help comparing the BJ business to a similar incident that
occurred on a femme-only list around the same time. Discussion on this
500-member list ranges from Java code to tampons, and along the way many
passionate views get swapped. Colleen signed on and immediately began to
crowd the list with tactless posts that brooked no argument. Unlike BJ,
Colleen followed her snidest remarks with little smileyface emoticons, as
if a :-) were an antidote for her poisonous strikes. After some listers
challenged her, asked her to tone down, Colleen resigned in a melodramatic
pique. Most everyone was happy to see her go, and that was that. No one was
baited into reciprocating Colleen's personal attacks, though I doubt this
was due to the emoticons. Men and women fight differently. In the BJ
instance I can't say viva le difference.

The moral of this story? Assholes are assholes, regardless of gender, I
suppose. And I hope that, if and when another jerk signs up to eXotica, we
can figure out a way to deal with him or her that's sensible, fair, and
most of all, more kind than the malicious attacks BJ received from some
listers. Ron said it well when he asked us to behave with aplomb. Moritz
made an excellent point when he observed that eXotica maintains a high
level of discourse (the occasional discussions of rogering goats
aside--please, keep 'em coming... oops, another pun). I hope we can
maintain that level when we deal with difficult people in the future. And
femme lurkers--out yourselves!

Womanly Panther






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