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exotica-digest         Sunday, January 9 2000         Volume 02 : Number 588



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Do I detect some rust?
(exotica) Mp3's, Jack, etc...
Re: (exotica) Mp3's, Jack, again..
(exotica) Another burning idea!
(exotica) Elakelaiset live in Alkmaar 8.1
(exotica) Elakelaiset tape offer
(exotica) Current state of list
(exotica) recent acquisitions
Re: (exotica) recent acquisitions
Re: (exotica) record habits
(exotica) Cuban music
Re: (exotica) Mp3's, Jack, etc...
(exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, January 9
(exotica) KUSF Record Swap
Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang
Re: (exotica) Cuban Music
(exotica) For the Glam fans
Re: (exotica) Current state of list
Re: (exotica) record habits
(exotica) John Keating and the non redemption of Supertramp
(exotica) record habits
(exotica) speaking of redemption
RE: (exotica) Cuban music
Re: (exotica) recent acquisitions
Re: (exotica) copyright myths
Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day
Re: (exotica) copyright myths
(exotica) New Music
Re:  Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day
Re: (exotica) Cuban Music

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:53:22 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Do I detect some rust?

At 5:40 PM -0500 1/8/00, Keith E. Lo Bue wrote:

>Only when I have focussed obsessively on one genre have I felt
>the rust form, and spreading out into other areas keeps me squeaky clean.
>The world of music is far too massive.

I think that's what the point was of the discussion. This was started by
questions about why the list had changed, why certain people weren't
posting much or why folks like Jill were leaving or Jack wasn't coming
back.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:56:46 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Mp3's, Jack, etc...

The MP3cast is tooling right along... I have a Partial House of Games (Jack
Diamond) up right now.  Super show, whatever your opinion of the presenter.
Having encoding problems, at the moment which keeps me from posting the
rest.

http://216.32.166.82:8698
Paste the above address into your audio player and GO!  (I promise an HTML
link soon.)

There is the possibility of a live netcast next weekend with live Webcam if
all goes according to plan.

Also - what can anyone recommend for an MP# encoder. Musicmatch is WAY too
clunky and slow.

Ron



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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 02:33:52 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mp3's, Jack, again..

http://www.xtabay.com/feelthyradio.htm

Link to afforemationed netcast.



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:04:31 +0100
From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Another burning idea!

Hey folks, what about this:
With all this talk about making comps and passing them around between
listmembers, I got another idea: why not compile OUR OWN music? There
are so many musicians around here - pro or amateur, it doesn't matter -
and I bet that most of them have recordings of their own performances
and/or compositions lying around. What about compiling them? If everyone
who has ever recorded their own music contributed one track... doesn't
matter if it's a professional CD-recording or a crappy hometape (I have
lots of those...).... doesn't matter if the music is exotic or not... I
think we could easily fill a couple of CD-R's with these recordings. And
there are plenty of designers around here who could do some nice cover
artwork.

What do y'all think?

Marco

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:19:56 +0100
From: "Arjan Plug" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Elakelaiset live in Alkmaar 8.1

Wow, what a first gig of the new millennium... ;-)

After skipping the first leg of their weekendtour of Holland in Groningen
(where they played the Eurosonic festival), which was just to far away for
me, the Alkmaar one was a must see of course. Arrived somewhat later than
anticipated (a suicide jumper and spending awhile searching for the right
location) around half past nine at the Parkhof venue, one of those punk rock
clubs I thought had disappeared long ago : a kind of bunker and the most
mohawks I ever saw together. After enduring some hopelessly inept amateur
skapunkers (who managed to share a 10 inch joint on stage during their gig,
no mean feat) it was time for some serious humppa when our heroes took the
stage and the proved they are one of the most fun bands around, bliss!
Taking off with We Are the Robots (sorry I never can remember the Finnish
titles), I recognized Sunday Bloody Sunday, Ace of Spades, a very slow Love
Will Tear Us Apart and a very fast one of the recent live Humppaorgiat 10".
They evidently had a swell time : "Bring us more Alcohol"! Good crowd of
100+ which went bonkers within three songs. The fat drummer is some kind of
animal with machinegun rhythm! The band also has a nice routine to stand up
behind their desks after each song. Pity they didn't do their bingo joke
(now and then they handing out bingocards at the entrance. During the gig
they start a bingo game with everyone playing along. But the cards have been
rigged and are all the same so when the concluding number is called the
whole crowd goes "BINGO"! which leads to utter confusion. You can find an
audioexample of this on the Finnish version of "Humpan Kuninkaan
Hovissa") Anyway, pity I had to leave after half an hour to catch the last
train
and bus but I will make amends when they tour again. Their promoter seems
keen to get them back soon so hopefully that works out In total a short but
well spent evening. German listees are urgently advised to attend one of
the German gigs this year...

to conclude a Dutch newspaper article (aplogies for the translation) from de
PAROOL, 6 january

LONG LIVE UNIVERSAL HUMPPA!

by Sietse Meijer

       An evening with Elakelaiset is a feast of recognition. The foursome
from Finland who play in the Netherlands this weekend are a coverband, but
not your regular one that will try to play the songs as faithfully as
possible. Elakelaiset makes feasty Finnish language humppa versions of well
known songs who get baptized with new titles. 2 Unlimited's "No Limit"
becomes "Humppa tai Kuole", "Sleeping in My Car" from Roxette turns into
"Pyjamahumppa", Oasis "Wonderwall" is "Seinakukkahumppa" and "Smells Like
Teen Spirit" of Nirvana becomes a simple "Humppanirvana". "Jump" by Van
Halen? "Hump" of course. And behind "Humppakonekumppa" hides "Bitch" by
Meredith Brooks.
      The songs are seriously transformed. The original versions may have a
housebeat, a solid rock rhythm or a funky groove, Elakelaiset brings them
all back to a simple humppa rhythm, drums in a merry fast tempo. Gitarriffs
and synthesizer parts are played on that seminal humppa instrument, the
accordion, or a high sounding toy organ. Nuances in singing disappear in the
no thrills macho men singing. The songs sound like infectious drinking
songs, it doesn't matter if it's a sweet song by Suzanne Vega (Tom's Diner
or "Aamupalahumppa"), a house hit like "Barbie Girl" by Aqua (Humppabarbi)
or an anthem like Queen's "We Will Rock You" (Humppaukaasi). All sung in
indescribable Finnish of course. The result is hilarious.
      Elakelaiset began in 1993 as a side project of Finnish rock group
Kumikameli, reports accordeonplayer Lassi Kinnunen through e-mail. The
decision to play humppa was taken during a drinking fest. Soon Elakelaiset
were more popular than Kumikameli, which turned to the back burner. The
group has released five albums to date, from "Humppakarajat" (1994) to the
recent "Werbung, Baby!" The complete repertoire of more than hundred
humppa-versions has been cataloged by a fan on a Tribute to
Elakelaiset-website, which you can find through the links-page at
www.humppa.com
      The four members chose either songs they love - they are big Kiss
fans, no coincidence there are three Kiss songs on their repertoire - or one
of them really loathes.
      What's so nice about playing humppamusic? "Free drinking", answers
Lassi Kinnunen. And that is the main goal of the group who consists of four
heavy drinkers. They are very fond of wodka-jus, he says, but everything
with alcohol in it is really OK.
He doesn't doubt that the Netherlands are ready for the music of
Elakelaiset; "Humppa is an international language!"


Arjan










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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:11:20 +0100
From: "Arjan Plug" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Elakelaiset tape offer

Still a bit on a Humppa cloud nine so the first five people who e-mail me I
will send a free Elakelaiset tape.

Arjan



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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:08:04 +0100
From: "Arjan Plug" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Current state of list

Couldn't find the original postings of people lamenting the current state of
this fine list but as when I joined three and a half years ago it might have
been livelier but not by much so please don't be too pessimistic! My main
interest here has always been wacky and oddball music, if this was solely a
loungelist I probably would have departed long ago. What I do miss are
people pointing to and reviewing new CD-reissues. Whenever I open a new
issue of Cool and Strange Music Magazine only a handfull of record reviews
have cropped up here. I do make an effort to try forwarding any seemingly
interesting music I come across. I hope anyone else does his duty too!  ;-)

O yes, I hope those trading schemes which were recently discussed will take
off. I always wondered about the lack of tapetrading here and I'm just
craving for hearing that particular music that I know I will never hear
otherwise.


Arjan




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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:13:42 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) recent acquisitions

* Hanna-Barbera: "Magilla Gorilla tells Alice in Wonderland; Cinderella
     as told to Pixie & Dixie; Top Cat tells Robin Hood"
        o LP, Hanna-Barbera/ Columbia special products P 13908 simulated
          stereo, USA, 1977
        o note: Two cartoon characters each tell a well-known story; Mr.
          Jinks is the big star here, telling a cool and hip beatnik version
          of "Cinderella" to Pixie & Dixie. Top cat stars in a gangster
          story loosely based upon "Robin Hood".

* Walter Wanderley: "Moondreams"
        o LP, A&M Records stereo SP 3022, USA, 1969
        o appreciation: 3
        o note: Wanderley goes "fusion", arranged by Deodato. Wanderley
          plays Hammond AND electric harpsichord, with Airto on percussion,
          and backed by a small orchestra: trumpet, flugelhorn, flutes,
          violins. Produced by Creed Taylor, recorded at Van Gelder's,
          soulful CTI sound.

* Walter Wanderley: "Murmurio (Murmur of love)"
        o LP, Tower T 5058 mono
        o appreciation: 4

* Marty Wilson and his Orchestra: "Jun'gala"
        o LP, Warner Bros. stereo 1326, USA, 1959
        o appreciation:4
        o note: Classic, Baxter style orchestral exotica, with a touch of
      Prado's "Exotica Suite" style jazz, and with Wilson leading each
      section on alto and bass flute.

* Leo Arnaud and his Orchestra: "Marimbita"
        o LP, Liberty LRP 3088 mono, end 1950's
        o appreciation: 5
        o note: Percussive exotica, but no wild "Bang Baaroom" stuff a la
          Dick Schory. A very light sound, with accent on high tone
          instruments like Vibraphone, xylophone, triangle, glockenspiel.
          Several tracks have something cartoonesque, Harry Breuer style.


        Johan

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:22:15 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recent acquisitions

    i bought both of them from <[e-mail]> in Sweden. they
are.. errrrrr... collector's CD-R's. sound quality is very good, packaging
is not, but i don't mind ;-) they weren't not cheap either...


        Johan

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Lou wrote:

>So where'd you acquire these, Johan, and are they generally aquirable?
>I'm particularly interested in:
>
>* Luie Luie: Creator of "Touchy"
>    LP, Penstar Productions P700, USA (CD-R copy)
>
>* Pastor John Rydgren and peter Tork: Silhouette Segments
>    Double LP, Weird-Oh disc 002, 1960's (CD-R copy)





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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:12:09 +0100
From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) record habits

[e-mail] wrote:

> Do you listen to an entire side all the
> way through, or just test a couple of spots searching for some cool
> sound?

I've always made a point of playing every record (LP/CD/single/whatever) all
the way through at least once. What happens next depends on how much I like it
after first hearing. Sometimes I keep playing the same record for a few days,
sometimes I put it aside and get back to it later - or never play it again.


> Do you alphabetize or otherwise sort your records?

Yes, I do. At least I try to. I also keep a database on my computer of all the
records I buy. Not that I use it very much, but it can come in handy when I'm
writing an article or when I want to send a list to someone who wants to trade
tapes or CD's.


> Do you pare
> your collection down to a few essential LPs, or do you keep most of
> them?

For the past 20 years I've kept most of them. I will move into a new appartment
in March, however. So now I'm taking a closer look at all the records (books,
magazines...) that I may not play (read, browse...) anymore.


> Ever since the first 'Incredibly Strange Music' book came out, I've been
> regularly going to thrift stores and buying old LPs.

That book helped me a lot too, although I only discovered it after it had been
out for about a year. In the meantime I had already discovered that there was
more besides the rock, pop and jazz that I had been listening to for years.

Marco


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:55:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Cuban music

In a message dated 1/9/00 3:32:21 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Is anyone out there familiar with Cuban music or the
 Tumbao line of CDs? Any info or recommendations? >>

I have two things on the Tumbao label:

Rumba Gallega by Jose Curbelo Y Su Orquesta
Tremendo Cumban by Machito

These are both good.  Jose Curbelo had a big band in the 30's-40's which
featured Tito Puente (at a very young age) and Tito Rodriguez before they
went off to form their own bands.  The CD is mostly rhumbas (just a few years
before the mambo craze).

The Machito CD is from his excellent late 40's period.

You have explored Cuban music more than I have. Several of the artists you
mentioned are unfamiliar to me or familiar by name only.

I have stuck with mostly big band Cuban music but have a few things by
smaller combos (septetos, conjuntos, to use the correct terminology) like
Celia Cruz Y Sonora Matancera.  I also have a comp on the Rounder Label
called "Cuban Counterpoint: The History of the Son Montuno" which is kind of
a who's who of  Cuban Music with tracks by Arsenio Rodriguez, Septeto
Nacional de Ignacio Pineiro, Cachao, and others.

For recent recordings, I'm sure you've checked out the Buena Vista Social
Club series and the Cachao Master Sessions vols. 1 & 2.  If not, I would
highly recommend these -- traditional yet fresh.

Sean


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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:55:59 +0100
From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mp3's, Jack, etc...

>Also - what can anyone recommend for an MP# encoder. Musicmatch is WAY too
>clunky and slow.

Xing MP3 encoder.


bye,
Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista

"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"
(Bono)



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 10:00:36 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, January 9

Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal,
Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.


Space Bop #79   Easy Tempo


Armando Trovajoli:  Il Profeta  "Beat At Cinecitta vol. 3"
Armando Trovajoli:  Sessomatto  "Easy Tempo"
Armando Trovajoli:  Vedo Nudo  "Beat At Cinecitta vol. 3"
Armando Trovajoli:  Bada Caterina  "Beat At Cinecitta vol. 2"
Armando Trovajoli:  Beat Trombone  "(Italian Girls Like) Ear-Catching
Melodies"

Nico Fidenco:  Eternal Anguish  "Black Emmanuelle's Groove"
Piero Umiliani:  Violenza  "Svezia Inferno e Paradiso"
Riz Ortolani:  Cani e Gatti  "Mo'Plen 2000"
Armando Sciascia:  Aciclico  "Mosaico Psichedelico Alla Celluloide"
Franco Micalizzi:  Folk & Violence  "Beretta 70"

Berto Pisano:  Kill Them All  "Beat At Cinecitta vol. 3"
Lee Selmoco Orchestra:  Blue Media  "Easy Tempo"
Francesco De Masi/Alessandro Alessandroni:  Hot Camera Shake  "(Italian
Girls Like) Ear-Catching Melodies"
Armando Sciascia:  Circuito Chiuso  "Mosaico Psichedelico Alla
Celluloide"
Puccio Roelens:  Due Per Due  "Beat Psichedelico Alla Celluloide"

Bruno Nicolai:  I Want It All  "Beat At Cinecitta vol. 1"
Luis Bacalov:  Summertime Killer  "Beretta 70"
Piero Umiliani:  Samba Mah Na  "Svezia Inferno e Paradiso"


Thanks for reading.


[e-mail]
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:26:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) KUSF Record Swap

When is the next KUSF record swap in San Francisco?
Thanks,
Gloria


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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:12:21 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang

>If any one would like to hear them, feel free to stop by my house and borrow
>either of the albums or the compilation CD, since me making you a duplicate
>might have unsavory legal repercussions.  E-mail me to set up a time to drop
>in, I'll have some fresh baked cookies and tea ready for you.

Mmmm, chocolate chip, I hope. Record parties rule.

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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:23:34 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cuban Music

>Is anyone out there familiar with Cuban music or the
>Tumbao line of CDs? Any info or recommendations?

I can't comment specifically on that, but here's a site that seems like a
pretty serious resource for Latin/Caribbean music:
http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db
Partly a journal, partly a catalog, which sometimes sends up red flags, but
the articles seem solid.

And here's a links collection (brush up on your Espanol first):
http://www.mundolatino.org/cultura/Musica/


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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:27:54 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) For the Glam fans

David Bowie has opened an online bank.

Details here:
http://rock.yahoo.com/rock/music_news/sonicnet/story.html?s=n/sonicnet/rock/news/20000108/20000108002



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:54:27 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Current state of list

I think ever since I joined the list there has been someone here and there
saying, "this list isn't what it used to be." And it's true -- if you jump
a few months at ANY point, you will find that the tone or direction has
shifted. Its always changing. And I don't think it's for the worse, just
different. And probably healthy -- if it had been nothing but discussion of
Baxter/Denny/Esquivel albums all these years, it would have died long ago.
So I guess I'm saying, yes the list it not like it used to be, but that's
what keeps it interesting. And even though we miss old comrades who have
moved on, well, that's life in general.


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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:44:00 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) record habits

At 08:52 PM 1/8/00 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>  Do you listen to an entire side all the
>way through, or just test a couple of spots searching for some cool
>sound?

I'm a bit ashamed to admit how much I like this topic and these kinds of
idiosyncracies.  This is what my film was supposed to be about but in the
end, there's not that much of this kind of stuff in there.

I seldom listen to a record all the way through AFTER the first time I
check it out.  And even then, if it's painful I don't always play it all
the way through even once.  I have regretted that on occasion when my
friend at the record store puts on one of my rejects and plays a great cut
and I don't recognize it.
I don't get much of a chance to really appreciate my "lounge/exotica/Now
Sound" vinyl unless I'm making a tape.  Or someone mentions it here.
I used to play records all the way through, all the time, repeatedly but
that was before my lounge accumulation/thrift store days, before CD's,
before I started making all these tapes, back when I listened mostly to
jazz and "alternative rock".
It seems stupid to have 'em and not play 'em.  It actually bugs me.  But I
keep going.

Do you alphabetize or otherwise sort your records?

I alphabetize the jazz, country, crooner, blues, R&B and the rock that I
had before I started buying lounge, which is to say nothing that we talk
about here but everything else.
I feel like if I want to play a country record, it's fairly likely that
I'll think of a particular artist whereas when I think of this stuff, I'm
more likely to think of a particular subgenre.  With jazz, I'll think "Oh
where's that Elvin Jones record" whereas with this stuff, I'll probably
just think "I need to hear some moog".
It's also a matter of category.  It's somehow easier for me to put a
fifties country record in the same section as a seventies country record
whereas within the larger genres of lounge and Now Sound, I have the
records "organized" into about 15 subgenres.
Someday I'll probably alphabetize the lounge/Now Sound, now that I am more
familiar with the artists and I occasionally look for a specific one.

Do you pare
>your collection down to a few essential LPs, or do you keep most of
>them?

I've always gotten rid of way more than I kept.  Sometimes it's a matter of
essential versus non-essential.  Sometimes it just has to be done and I
have to come up with instant criteria to help me get rid of something.
I occasionally regret it.  Once upon a time I had a serious urge to purge
and later regretted a lot of the ones I lost.  (This is the last time I'll
refer to it.  That IS in my film.)

>
>So, to start the ball rolling, here's a lengthy post to how I handle
>things (from a non-musician, non music industry related exotica fan)

I really enjoyed reading this.  You're weird.  I know a lot of people who
always have a whole bunch of records they still haven't heard but I don't
think any of them take years to get to them, like you do.
I like the idea of you just dumping the best stuff onto tape regardless of
genre.

I have a certain space on the floor - about the size of two milk crates -
where I keep the records that haven't been put on tape yet.  When they fill
that space, I begin to make the tapes but I make them according to genre,
of which there are usually five.
Sucky lounge or "soft themes"
Better percussion, lounge and exotica
Soft Now Sound
Better Now Sound and instrumental rock covers
Soundtracks for groovy movies that don't exist.  Basically a lot of Now
Sound "original" cuts, crime jazz or anything that isn't a "cover" and
reminds me of a generic scene in a go-go bar.

This is sick.  I also make crooner, country and soft pop tapes but those
records I write down and put on the shelf, rather than keep them in that
floor spot.

I'm actually making a category four tape right now.

I'll get to the last category today maybe and then that space will be clear
again.  And for a moment, so will my head be.

I'm actually kinda hoping this is the last time I ever do this.

But either way, someday when I get a CD recorder, this will all change.

It wasn't always like this.






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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:48:41 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) John Keating and the non redemption of Supertramp

You know how an instrumental - Now Sound - cover can sometimes elevate a
song you never liked much?
Like "Venus" by Roberto Delgado, frinstance.
Well on John Keating's "Space Experience 2", there's absolutely nothing he
can do to redeem or elevate that frigging song "Dreamer".
(Or maybe that was Genesis.)

Nat



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:50:22 -0500
From: Citizen Kafka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) record habits

I have some records that i've not listened to in almost 10 years, and
some that i think are in my top 1%, and even a set which is in my top 10
records (out of over 40,000), which i've only heard part of. The
anticipation is part of the enjoyment, the newness of it, and for some
records, i just need the special time, lifespace, and head.

it is very individual...

ck
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:13:31 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) speaking of redemption

I'm always struck by how a little organ riff can absolutely redeem or
elevate a cut.  Especially if it comes in late or seems like a bit of a
surprise or even an afterthought.
But I just can't believe how much I love that instrument.
It's unbelievable the crap I can tolerate if it has a little organ in it.
(No puns please)
I can't quite extend this to pipe organ or George Wright kinda stuff, which
is okay but has its limits.
But practically anything else, if it has organ, I like it. Or at the very
least, it elevates whatever it comes in contact with.
And it doesn't have to be a lot of organ.  Just a riff like I say.
Cugat's version of "Night Train" is a great example.  The organ riff saves
what is otherwise an okay version of a tune I've heard enough.
And the organ is one of the elements that sets a lot of Perez Prado apart.
But that's just the tip of the organ, so to speak.
I just love the organ.  Always have.  Back to Felix Cavaliere and Al Kooper
and Alan Price and Question Mark and the first time I heard Jimmy Smith do
"When Johnny Comes Marching Home".

Nat



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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:35:04 -0800
From: "Larson/Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Cuban music

I own a number of the Lecuano Cuban Boy CDs as well as "Cuban Counterpoint:
The History of the Son Montuno" (mentioned by someone else) and "Routes of
Rhythm" which is also pretty good.  But my favorite Cuban CD by far is "Cuba
Classics 2: Dancing with the Enemy."  It's an energy-filled joy from
beginning to end.

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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:56:07 +0100
From: Dj Batman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recent acquisitions

one of my latest is Vip 200 - Fernet Branca/Topless Party - italian 7" by
Ego Records.
(http://www.tamtamstudio.com).

Excellent, crazy track from a 70's commercial (still appearing on Italian
TV) for popular liquor called -er- Fernet Branca, performed apparently by
this band called Vip 200, similar to Montefiori Cocktail...
Composed by Franco Godi, who was still into music for commercials in let
80's (i have an hip-hop tape for promoting Fiat Uuo cars, and rap by Godi,
accompained by various rap tracks by de La Soul and others).
Plus, around 1989/90 I think he made "President externation dance",
sampling our President Francesco Cossiga's voice, and also making a video
for that.
I think he is currently involved with bands like Articolo 31, i.e. italian
pseudo hip-hop...

The b-side is a Piero Umiliani track, "topless party" (nice organ!!!).
One the site you will find real audio clips of some tracks including a bit
of a live version of Fernet Branca!!


bye,
Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista

"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"
(Bono)



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:24:23 +0100
From: Dj Batman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright myths

>>Sure you can copy it. It makes no difference what you use for source
>>material. Even if RCA spent ten billion dollars to digitally remove pops
>
>
>Actually it does:  this is one of the few areas we've been discussing where
>there's extensive case law in support of it.

this is why every seven years Disney re-releases its movies with new movies
posters and (for the older stuff) digital remastering. Remastering means
creating a new copyright.
I have a Neal Hefti LP made in 1989. The copyright says 1966 but the
remasters are copyrighted 1989... same for remasters of 2001 A Space
Odissey Soundtrack.

Plus, copyright on the sound recording (the (p) on record sleeves) is
different than the one (the (c)) on publishing (sheet music, lyrics,
mechanicals, performance rights, internet...).
So, can you copy a Caruso song?
Yes and no.
You can copy and even reprint it on cd legally as its been recorded more
than 50 yrs ago. So the sound recording (not the track) is in the Public
Domain. But you should pay the appropriate royalty colleciton agency the
mechanicals as the track is not in the public domain yet.
Music magazine Uncut, in the UK, is giving away compilations of tracks
including both recent rock and electronica and classic jazz/swing stuff. So
lately they published various Louis Armstrong, Glenn Miller etc without
having any kind of license. But they still have to pay mechanicals.

bye,
Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista

"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"
(Bono)



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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:24:28 +0100
From: Dj Batman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day

>In memory of Don Martin, this Sunday is declared National Gorilla Suit
>Day (remember THAT one old-timers?)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!

I have that one in Italian!!!

:)))


bye,
Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista

"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:12:18 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright myths

Dj Batman wrote:

> this is why every seven years Disney re-releases its movies with new movies
> posters and (for the older stuff) digital remastering. Remastering means
> creating a new copyright.

No, I believe Disney's reasoning was to create an "exclusivity", where
their videos were available only for a limited time, so if you didn't
buy them when they were released, you would have to wait another 7 years
(or basically, until odds were your kid was too old to want to see
it!).  The new packaging etc. is just to cater to the market as it
changes - there's really no difference in the product, but it looks
different from the one released 7 years previous.

However, I just read that they have now abandoned this marketing
approach, and will be releasing all of their videos (except for their 10
top videos, whichever they are, which they will now release one per
year).

I would be very surprised to see if Disney let any of their copyrights
lapse!

cheryl


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:03:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) New Music

In a message dated 1/8/0 5:56:05 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>you hear that the artist - or DJ - dipped into a huge eclectic
>record collection to make his/her CD but when you hear it, it's more of the
>same.  You don't get chunks of sampled riffs; all you get are blips and
>bleeps in the midst of beats.

That's exactly the way I feel about it. I have debated with proponents of the
new stuff about this endless repetition, lack of bridges and choruses, even a
melody beyond the attraction of the basic bassline. I get told again and
again, "This is new music. it doesn't follow the rules of the old music."
Nat, you put your finger on my pulse and expressed what I have been trying to
say. You oughta go into writing!  Now, that being said, is it possible that
sampling is such a complicated matter that to pack a new song with loads of
samples in technologically unfeasible? I think of US-3 and their "sampling"
of Herbie Hancock's "Canteloupe Island" which they called "Cantaloop". It was
basically the whole song. Why can't this be done with other pieces and then
have samples of e-z styled stuff thrown in on top. Speed it up, slow it down,
but get lottttts of it in there. all you have to do is match the keys up,
admittedly a tiresome job. Then there's more of a listening experience and
less focus on head-bobbing to mainly beats. Or am I missing something? Jimmy
Botticelli


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:12:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day

In a message dated 1/8/0 10:24:45 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>Ah, National Gorilla Suit Day.  Are you sure you're not working for the Acme
>Gorilla Suit Company?

No more, I just got a job with the "Making Streets Look Like It Just Rained
Co." (erp)


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:31:32 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cuban Music

Have recently begun getting serious about this music. Main learning aids
are some programs on a local indy radio station, often bilingual and
sometimes frustratingly en Espanole only, spoken by a guy with a rapid-fire
delivery. I have learned there's a big expatiate community of Cuban
musicians living and playing in Costa Rica who keep the older music alive
and teach it to younger musicians. Will post more, including names and
recordings, as I know more. Also plan to start taping shows and will soon
be in a position to trade edited tapes (not CDs) with anyone who's
interested. More to come. Evangelista Mimi




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