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exotica-digest         Sunday, January 9 2000         Volume 02 : Number 587



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) greetings
(exotica) greetings and questionaire
Re: (exotica) Bring back...
(exotica) copyright myths
(exotica) who is ademus?
RE: (exotica) Fringeware/you are goin' to hell, but I mean that in a nice way bababada
(exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve
(exotica) Sukia
(exotica) Do I detect some rust?
Re: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve
(exotica) Cugat Bang Bang
Re:  Re: (exotica) the list
Re: (exotica) the list
Re: (exotica) exotica questionaire
Re: (exotica) Sukia
Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang
(exotica) record habits
Re: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist
(exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day
Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day
Re: (exotica) greetings
(exotica) Los Angeles surf fest Jan22
(exotica) Cuban Music
Re: (exotica) the list
Re: (exotica) copyright myths

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:11:53 +0100
From: "ClichΘ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) greetings

> 1. Are you a musician? Explain...

My job is being a musician. Theaters, films, cartoons, TV-radio jingles, my own
music and music with  friends (the formations).
But my answer is no, I usually say that I'm a home made musician. I started
with a big Bosendorfer, and later
as it would always go... Then fuyara (Morvaian), tilinko (pipe) and reeds
(saxes, clarinet etc) now I'm building a theremin.
Now I love playing everything, especially free, cool jazz, funny stuff,
contemporary. Now my favourite is an old Toneking
tenor sax, which sounds better then a golden Selmer.

> 2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this?

The first one was John Keaton : Space experience. The Unknow Planet  is a
really good one. I wish to play it on a singing-saw in the future.
It is quite difficult to collect records in Hungary. But the difficulties of it
make me mad :-)
I have records from Bikini to Zorn.

> 3. This list could help you more by...

finding  record stores reasonably close to Hungary. Facts, nu staff, tips,
finding music partners..

> 4. Other exotica/things you collect

instruments, films (Tetsuo, Captain Pirx - this one is an old Hungarian TV
series with perfect salt-cellar spaceships and things like those etc), 8mm
films (we have no TV), slide-films (I think that is a traditional Hungarian
stuff, when you project a dia-positive  series of pictures which can help you
give up smoking, or can tell you the story of little red riding hood, other
cool things from Sokol radio up to the homemade Russian Vulcan-lamps.

> 5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like

free, classical, no wave, experimental...

>
> 6. What are you just dying to tell us?

The thing which I've never found anywhere else is your unselfishness, which is
amazing.
Here (in Hungary) most people don't share information, not even the copies of
their records.
AAAA! I have been looking for you for 30 years...

> 7. Own a fez?  If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or
> other lounge-wear of which you are proud?

No fez, I'm a vegetarian!
Some hand made painted shirts from Bali, the scarf with blue penguins, clothes
that I made. Didgeridoo was made by Laura (She is the One!)

> 8. Shaken/stirred?

black: Living deads, the powerlessness.
white: Alive people.




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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:18:21 -0500
From: Citizen Kafka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) greetings and questionaire

Doh, thanks for reminding me... i also used to produce and write tv
commercials, cartoon sound tracks, and bumpers and such. Nick at Nite
had a spitload of great 10 second network i.d.s which were proto 50's
jingles... i wrote and produced a bunch of those, plus a few other
things that some of you may have seen but i ain't telling (too
"commercial").

just shows what slips out of the brain storage!

ck


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:49:52 -0500
From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring back...

Nat wrote:
>But I'm sure you've picked up the odd better-than-average thing.  Share.


Oh golly. . .

The LP on the top of the stack at Casa Mambo this month is Xavier
Cugat's _Bang Bang_ (Decca)--a record that unfortunately, I'm finding
it a little hard to describe.

It's nothing like Cugat's earlier LPs (generally bland IMHO). . . not
really identifiably latin, either. . . Just a sort of wonderfully
warped quality when one of our old-school exotica lifers gets into
Now Sound/Twist/TJB/Bossa-Lounge territory. Absolutely wonderful
cover photo, a go-go Femme Fatale menacing you with her ray gun.

There's just something delightfully overblown about it. It's seems to
be recorded on some cavernous soundstage or something. The drum lines
in particular have this immense fatness that  has really grown on me.
There are a lot of great organ bits here, little sonar blips and
whatnot. Funky fat guitars. You hear somebody in the band coughing in
the middle of the Jobim number. There's generally kind of an
agreeable sloppiness to it all, like everyone was kind of winging it.

Plus, it has among the universe's oddest covers of "These Boots Are
Made For Walking"  and "Charade."

Enjoy!



  --Ross

|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr  <[e-mail]>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:58:50
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) copyright myths

On 7 Jan 2000 23:17:49 -0800, [e-mail] wrote about copyright.

Almost everything in that post is simply not true. I have spent time on old
movie newsgroups, and working in a recording studio, and I have never heard
so much erroneous streetcorner wisdom passed around as fact as with
copyright law.

That said, it is ever changing and I no longer keep totally on top of it.
However:

>I am no expert here, but in general public domain ends somewhere in the
1920's now.

Copyright law changed throughout the century; thus, the life of the
copyright depends on when it was created, if and when it was registered,
and if it was renewed.

Originally, copyright lasted 28 years, renewable for a second 28 year
period if the owner bothered to do so within a one year period. Therefore,
there are many works which lapsed into public domain from well after the
1920s. This happened often when a company went out of business and nobody
bothered to claim their assets. It also happened with major corporations
who let a few of their holdings fall through the cracks.

>This means that if you have something copyrighted before that
certain year in the 1920's...and this is an original something...no one can
own the copyright on it.  HOWEVER, if you take that something and reproduce
it, that is a new creation.  Thus, to reproduce a copy of the originally
copyrighted material would be a violation of copyright.

This is a ridiculous concept and absoultely not true. Anyone can freely
copy anyone's copy of a public domain work. A new CD of old recordings of
Sousa marches is NOT a new creation (though the packaging may be, and is
alone protected). If the new version was somehow changed (i.e., a trip-hop
mix with sampled Sousa marches), it MAY qualify for a new copyright, however.

>All that said, however, you still have to be careful about using older
material.  Unless something actually says "Public Domain" on it, as some
very old song titles sometimes do, it helps to have some good research on
your side to make sure no one else has control over it in some way.

This is good advice, except that I wouldn't trust any information on a
record label as proof that something was or was not public domain. Many
bootleg records give fake addresses. Some independent labels do not give
songwriter or publishing credits in hopes that they can avoid paying
mechanical royalties for the compositions.

>You may have heard Walt Disney's original Mickey Mouse films will soon be
public domain.  Disney is trying to get the law changed or at the very
least round up every single copy of the films it can gets hands on so that
no one else can reproduce them.  Of course, the company knew this day would
come and has worked to tighten controls on all of its productions.  If
anyone wants to eventually reproduce the public domain materials, Disney
will try to make sure they will be from very poor copies and thus not
commercially threatening.

This would have been true of only the earliest Mickey Mouse films. Later
copyrights would not have been affected by the first one going p.d. And
Disney surely knows they can never round up every copy (such as video tapes
they themselves sold of early cartoons).

Anyway, the law was already changed, and was known as the Sonny Bono bill
after the late congressman who initiated it. All copyrights were (in my
opinion, unwisely) extended. I forget all the details but a good web search
will provide the facts. It is possible that there will never again be a
concept of public domain for anything that hasn't already become p.d.; in
the meantime at least 20 years were added to the life of all old copyrights.


On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:06:05 -0500, Lang Thompson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Or the early Caruso recordings may be
public domain but you can't just grab an RCA CD and run off CD-Rs of that
(though the confusing part is that you can make a CD identical in content
to the RCA one with no copyright violation as long as you do it directly
from the original sources--78s or whatever).

Sure you can copy it. It makes no difference what you use for source
material. Even if RCA spent ten billion dollars to digitally remove pops
and clicks, that is not copyrightable work. Just don't use their new cover
art or liner notes.


Of course, none of this matters unless you get caught breaking these laws.



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:17:07 -0500
From: Citizen Kafka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) who is ademus?

Hi all, did i wish you happy new year yet?? been posting a lot, don't
remember...


Found a great record, Latin favorites in Percussion, by Ademus and his
percussionists. Hot percussion and some great horn players! Also, sounds
like more than one band; one with a mild charlie parker style altoist,
one with several great players (better recorded). any hints?

Oh, forgot, Acorn records 655...

any help would be great on this one.

ck
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NEW!: every Tuesday 6 to 7 PM EST WFMU 91.1 FM
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http://wfmu.org/ then go to 'listen to wfmu'


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:59:58 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: RE: (exotica) Fringeware/you are goin' to hell, but I mean that in a nice way bababada

Ron raved (but gently for soothe)
>http://fringeware.com/~melba/catalog.html
>
>Holy Fuggin' MOLY!!!!  What a great site!!! Chock full-o-must-haves.
>
>Alas, it is CLOSED... No worky. 800 number is D.O.A.

Yass yass, twas a sad day this fall when Fringeware bit the dust, another
casualty in the Austin, City on the Move saga. The dark underbelly of
living in a Techy Mecca Tex-Mex-spiced slacker theme park with 100
newcomers a week, to crib a line from me hubby.

On a related note, anyone know of a good source of weird Pope stuff? All I
have are my Pope John Paul shield earrings and would LUV to expand the
collection.

Unrelatedly, thx Johan, for the comment on the Nitty Gritty. Very helpful!
Am proud to say I've never cleaned hundreds of anything a week.

Luvin' de list,
Mimi




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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:02:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve

Brother Cleve,
Is Combustible Edison still in existence? Any new album planned?


Here's my survey...
> 1. Are you a musician? Explain...
 No... I am more just a connoisuer (sp?).  I do own synths and dawdle in
ambient. I also have a Kahn"ecletci Band" organ with a pre-set drum setting
call "Teen-Beat" and sounds titled "buzzsaw".

> 2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this?

Esquivel's  - Space Age Bachelor Pad CD
Frank Sinatra 4 CD Capitol Years
Santo & Johnny's debut LP
I now collect just about everything discussed here.  Two of my favorite
LP's... Ebony Godfather - Moog Fluting and Geraldine and Ricky - A Religious
ventriloquist act... priceless.
Also love Warren Barker, Mancini, Moog, Bad Actors singing, Weirdo Beatles
covers, Space Disco, Down Tempo / Right Tempo music.


> 3. This list could help you more by...

Paying my rent...


> 4. Other exotica/things you collect

Just Lp's and CD's... Used to be into the furniture scene but that just
became to...         "bulky" and or expensive (like collecting wax is not)


> 5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like

Cocteau Twins, Slowdive, Devo, 80's New Wave, Coletrane, Vince Guaraldi, Pet
Shop          Boys,Yello, Ambient, Bill Evans, Al Gromer Khan, Angelo
Badalamenti


> 6. What are you just dying to tell us?
Be the same or be different... it just doesn't matter.


> 7. Own a fez?  If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or
> other lounge-wear of which you are proud?

Maroon.  Says EGYPT in big ass rhinestones. Also sword and half moon in
rhinestones Gold trim.  Gold plated tutahnkhamen on the front. Jet black 16"
tassle w/ ANOTHER rhinestone "Hassan CHOP" sword.  Min condition.  I keep it
in my specially forged fez container with the zipper and a handle.

> 8. Shaken/stirred?

Pureed


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:03:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Sukia

This may have been done to death... but has the band Sukia been mentioned
here?
I only found a copy of the CD this year (it was released in 1996) and it is
my favorite album of the year.


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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:40:59 +1100
From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Do I detect some rust?

Interesting to read that some of the most prominent and informed members of
this list feel they've 'seen it all' a long time ago and lament the fact.
I've found that the musical realm is truly bottomless; that one tip or
discovery can send one off into capillaries never explored. That restless
curiosity has never failed me in 20 years of almost frenzied exploration
(I'm 36).  Only when I have focussed obsessively on one genre have I felt
the rust form, and spreading out into other areas keeps me squeaky clean.
The world of music is far too massive.  No-one can convince me that 'all has
been conquered.'

A few months back I got back into 78's, and discovered to my delight that
huddled in the stacks I was able to find self-made 'acetates', usually
recorded in booths, of people singing or joking around (kind of the
predecessor to photo-booths).  It drove home that there are micro-genres
within that always lay just out of reach.  My interests in another 20 years
will be as different and varied as ever.  I have no reason to doubt it.

Cheers,

Keith

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:52:31 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Survey & ? for Brother Cleve

At 5:02 PM -0500 1/8/00, [e-mail] wrote:
>Brother Cleve,
>Is Combustible Edison still in existence? Any new album planned?

there's never been an official announcement, but......the answer to both
questions is 'no'.

br cleve



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:59:58 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang

At 03:49 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote:
>Oh golly. . .
>
>The LP on the top of the stack at Casa Mambo this month is Xavier
>Cugat's _Bang Bang_. . . Just a sort of wonderfully
>warped quality when one of our old-school exotica lifers gets into
>Now Sound/Twist/TJB/Bossa-Lounge territory. Absolutely wonderful
>cover photo, a go-go Femme Fatale menacing you with her ray gun.
>
>There's just something delightfully overblown about it.

I agree.  This is a great record.
And the curious thing is that I was almost sure it wouldn't be.
I've had other Cugat records where you're pretty sure he wasn't around when
they made it and while they had their moments, they didn't "come together"
like this one.  Actually there are moments on this that make you think
Cugat might have been around for it, though I don't think you'd yell "This
must be Cougat" if you heard it coming from the next room.
I was pretty sure this would suck, by the way, mostly because I SO didn't
want it to.  With that mod spygirl cover, I just figured it would have to
be a disappointment and then I'd have to sweat over keeping it for the
cover or getting rid of it "for the music".
My favourite cut is the title cut, a Sonny and Cher thing which I'm not
sure I knew that well in the first place but which is practically
unrecognizable here anyway.  I have no vocabulary for talking about
drumming but the drumming here is "wack"!  Then there's the spyjazz guitar
sound and the part where they break into a hora.

See?  I'm actually playing a record.  I almost never do that and I haven't
played THIS in over a year.

I wish I could say "If you like this, try that one" but I can't compare it
to anything.  Which is a good thing I guess.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:05 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) the list

At 11:37 AM 1/8/00 EST, [e-mail] wrote:

> So I think moving
>forward, going ahead and combining elements to create new music is a good
>thing. My ears just have to let it in.

Well I don't think I have to point out that combining elements to create
new music has been going on... forever almost.  It's combining elements
from actual records that's sorta new.  (Yes I know about "collage" but it's
happening on a scale like never before.)

I love this idea.  I had a blast taking part in the sampling process for my
film's soundtrack.  (Now forget you heard that.)
If I had musical aspirations or talent or the right equipment, I could see
this becoming a huge obsession.

I think one reason I don't listen to much of this "new" music is because I
haven't really heard much that sounds like it was made in that spirit.  In
other words, you hear that the artist - or DJ - dipped into a huge eclectic
record collection to make his/her CD but when you hear it, it's more of the
same.  You don't get chunks of sampled riffs; all you get are blips and
bleeps in the midst of beats.

So if anyone would like to guess what I'm referring to and to provide a
nice list of stuff I would be happy with, I'd be happy with that.

I think the other reason I don't buy many of them is because basically
there are a couple of stores here who carry stuff like that and if I wanted
them, the process would involve going to those stores weekly and asking
"You got any more of that stuff you know I like?"  Or frequenting CDNow.
I used to be like that but I haven't been for a while.  Maybe when I get
busier and richer - will this be the year?? - I'll move to that method of
acquisition.

Does anyone have some kinda explanation for this Now Sound/ E-Z soundtrack
sampling phenomenon?  (It's probably not as big as it seems to someone who
doesn't pay that much attention to it.)

It IS curious though, I must say.  I hate to bring up "postmodernism" or
Tarantino or Eno or Burroughs' cut-up technique or something about baby
boomers but I just find it really really strange that this is happening.

I'll leave y'all alone for the weekend now.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:01 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

At 02:20 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Br. Cleve wrote:
>
>
>When you get into the Now Sound (and yes, Nat, I'd use that term to
>describe all of what that),

Oh thank you.  Pheew.

 > I spent some time at the new breed of used record stores this week in New
>York, the ones that sell no rock or pop music, only jazz, funk, hip hop,
>now sound, soundtracks and latin. There are hundreds of Now Sound type
>records in these stores, usually grouped together under the headers
>'samples' or 'beats', and with very high price tags - because they contain
>a drum break or phrase that would be usable in hip hop/dance track (or has
>already been used, making it desireable to get the original break, as there
>are people who collect those as well as those who use them in a sampler).

The first thing I have to say is that, having spent some time in a used
record store last summer, I still find it amazing that so many "kids" are
MORE interested in finding a sample that's already been used than they are
in finding one that hasn't.
And that they're willing to spend big bucks for an already-used one when
they can find a potential one for next to nothing.
It makes sense.  That's the world.  There are originators and there are
sheep.  But it's still curious that the message they would take from "the
sampling revolutions" is "Go out and find the samples I already found".

I have a few questions though...

Are "they" really sampling bits that are unique to Now Sound records?  I
was always told it's more like a drum break from a Seals n Crofts record -
or Bob James - and not a whole "riff" per se...

Speaking of which I think I actually spotted a sample this week.  There's
this repeated acoustic piano flourish all over DJ Shadow's first big CD.  I
think it's from Stan Freeman's version of "Gentle Rain" on his Project 3
record.
Hard to believe that I'm right but it sounds right.  Anyone confirm or deny?

I'm going to ask my other questions somewhere else.

Nat






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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:00:08 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) exotica questionaire

At 12:14 PM 1/8/00 -0500, Citizen Kafka wrote:
>
> Main instruments:
>fiddle and bass in Wretched Refuse String Band, theremin in Citizen
>Kafka Band. For years was the only union theremin player,
>. My string band (and rock band)
>composed of real good nyc string nuts, like andy statman, tony trischka,
>ken kosek, etc.

Putting two and two together, I have to ask whether you ever played
theremin in a klezmer band?

By the way, did you see Jon Stewart's Late Show "end of the millenium show"?
I thought of you at the end when they had a guy onstage with They Might be
Giants actually recording a cylinder with them.
I even waited to see the credits to see if it was you up there.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:15:22 -0000
From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sukia

HEDCANDY wrote:

> This may have been done to death... but has the band Sukia been mentioned
> here?

Yes!

> I only found a copy of the CD this year (it was released in 1996) and it is
> my favorite album of the year.

It's a crazy album.  But apparently Sukia are no more.  However, I
know of at least three side projects which may or not be still on the
go:

Sukpatch

Volume All Stars

DJ Me DJ You
http://www.emperornorton.com/artists/dj_me_dj_you/index.html

When I saw them support Stereolab here in the UK a couple of
years ago, Sukia played some amazing new material not on the
album and I'm wondering if that ever saw the light of day on a CD...


Robbie


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:27:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cugat Bang Bang

I have the previous 2 Cugat Decca releases, "Dance Party" 744740 & "Feeling
Good" 74672 and their both great, in the scheme of Cugat.  There's a Bond
Theme on each and quite a few other good tunes.  For me they seem very
similar to other dance oriented Now Sound recordings like much of Ogerman's
RCA dance albums and Enoch Light's "Discotheque" albums and some of his
dancier Project 3 albums.  I love them all.  What other artists have this
sound?

Have you heard the Compilation CD from Cugie's 4 Decca records, it's called
"Cugie A-Go-Go"?  It's got the ray-gun toting go-go gal from "Bang Bang" on
the cover and songs from the three albums we've mentioned plus Cugat's last
"Cugat Today!" Decca 74831, which I'm looking for a copy of (anybody!!!)
along with "Bang Bang".

If any one would like to hear them, feel free to stop by my house and borrow
either of the albums or the compilation CD, since me making you a duplicate
might have unsavory legal repercussions.  E-mail me to set up a time to drop
in, I'll have some fresh baked cookies and tea ready for you.

xoxoxo,
- -Roy


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:52:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) record habits

There's quite a variety of experiences on this list - from the newcomer
who has only just bought his first Denny or Esquivel CD, to those
musicians and those in the music business who have heard most everything
out there.  I've always been curious as to 'how' the people here listen
to and handle their records.  Do you listen to an entire side all the
way through, or just test a couple of spots searching for some cool
sound?   Do you alphabetize or otherwise sort your records? Do you pare
your collection down to a few essential LPs, or do you keep most of
them?

So, to start the ball rolling, here's a lengthy post to how I handle
things (from a non-musician, non music industry related exotica fan)

Ever since the first 'Incredibly Strange Music' book came out, I've been
regularly going to thrift stores and buying old LPs.  Now I find myself
with thousands of records (most of them in typical thrift-store non-mint
condition)

I'm one of those who does not listen to them when I buy them.....instead
I will randomly insert them into my ever growing 'unlistened to'
collection, which now looks much like the cover of the Fat Boy Slim CD
cover multiplied by a few times.  Every so often I will grab the next 5
LPs in line and listen to a bit of each track ... and if I enjoy the
sound, I'll put a song or two onto the end of a cassette tape I am
slowly compiling.  These tapes are are totally random - I don't have any
themed 'Latin' tapes, or 'Mancini' tapes or 'Now Sound' tapes.  These
tapes will usually then accompany me whenever I make a long drive or
road trip --  the variety and randomness are good for keeping my
attention up while driving.

After listening, the LPs with good tracks will go into a 'to save'
section -- probably waiting for the day I buy a CD recorder.  Some of
the ones without any interesting cuts I will save anyway (if it has a
cool cover graphic, or if i think my tastes will later change), but most
of these will eventually be taken back to the thriftstore.

I have gone as long as several months without pulling any records from
my 'unlistened to' section, but I've done it enough times that I'm now
working on my 20th tape .... and I still have thousands of unlistened to
records to go. I buy records faster than I listen to them.   I think
that this is a part of my retirement plan -- knowing that as I get
older, there will still be a source of  music from the past to discover
and listen to (those thrifts will dry up some day, after all).  Some
people put money into the stock market and IRAs and stuff like that
hoping to build a nest egg for retirement...... well, part of my long
term plan involves these records - not as a monetary collectible
financial investment, but for the sheer listening value.  I like to say
that I get my pleasure twice - once when finding the record in the
thrift, and second (often years later) when I finally listen to them.

My method works well, except in one regard.  Because most of my
collection is in random order (not alphabetized), I can't quickly locate
any specific LP in the 'unlistened to' section when I want to.  Often
this list will mention some artist, and I will say to myself "I know I
have that record, but its still sitting in that 'to listen to' section"
I thus own and haven't listened to the 101 Strings 'Astro Sounds' yet,
nor many of Lenny Dee's work, or the soundtrack to 'Enter the Dragon',
and on and on and on.  So instead of hearing the music Nat is talking
about, I have to be patient and likely wait a few years.

On the bright side though, nothing is quite as exciting when late some
evening, I go to that 'unlistened' section, pull 5 LPs out, and bring
them to the turntable.  It's like playing a lottery - with much better
odds.  Sometimes the next LP will be some lame orchestral type stuff,
but then the next one will be a Cugat album that, in contrast, sounds so
much better and I understand why Cugat became so popular during his
time. Then there are the best moments - like when the next LP you're
about to listen to is something like the soundtrack to 'Barbarella'

Well, that's my story. Anyone else interested in their record listening
habits?  Right now, I'm psyched and about to pull out 5 more records.
It's a good life.

Vern



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:28:08 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist

> > But for a different example, look at all of the DJs on this list with live
> > and/or archived web-radio shows -- some are spinoffs of broadcast radio,
> > some are pure webcasts. And apparently quite legal (yet).
> > So why not a "Radio Free Exotica" webcast?

Count Space Bop in as willing to participate in this - it would be a fun
project!


ciao,

cheryl and brian


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:18:31 -0800
From: Jim Gerwitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day

In memory of Don Martin, this Sunday is declared National Gorilla Suit
Day (remember THAT one old-timers?)

Madly,
Fester Bestertester

P.S.  Karbunkle told me to tell you "Dawk"


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:20:53 -0500
From: "Kevin Kovelant" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) National Gorilla Suit Day

Ah, National Gorilla Suit Day.  Are you sure you're not working for the Acme
Gorilla Suit Company?

"Its a conspiracy, I tell you!"

"Beware of Dracula, Frankenstein and Chameleon Man! They could be chasing
you without notice!"
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:32:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) greetings

In a message dated 1/8/00 3:12:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< > 8. Shaken/stirred?

 black: Living deads, the powerlessness.
 white: Alive people.
  >>

even tiki bob is scared by this apparition.



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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:58:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Los Angeles surf fest Jan22

for anyone into modern surf with retro roots you will not be disappointed!!

>'ACID BEACH PARTY'
>SATURDAY JAN 22ND
>at
>MR T'S BOWL
>5621 1/2 N.FIGUEROA             TAKE EXIT 52 OFF THE 110 FWY
>LOS ANGELES
>
>
>featuring:
>
>NEPTUNAS         830 PM
>MYSTERIES        915
>SLACKTONE        10
>00 SPY CAR       1045
>INSECT SURFERS   1130
>REVENTLOS        1215 AM
>
>Psychotronic film projection
>Dancers
>Giant Twister Tournament
>Karaoke
>and more...
>$10.00       doors open at 8pm
>call 310-391-7035 for more info





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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:37:43 -0800
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Cuban Music

Hi folks,

Today I found a copy of Jack Costanzo: Mr Bongo Plays
Cha Cha Cha in the used CD bins. I was expecting it to
be 50s percussion music along the lines of a Command
record, but it turned out to be a really good collection
of authentic sounding Cuban music.

I've always been a fan of Prez Prado and Xavier Cugat,
as well as Beny More and Tito Rodriguez. But I knew that
these guys came from a musical tradition that went back
a lot further. Lately, I've been trying to find the
source material that Prado and Cugat mined.

I discovered a label called Tumbao Cuban Classics
that has a lot of fascinating stuff. Unfortunately,
they are pricey imports so I haven't been as adventurous
as I would like to be.

These are the CDs I've gotten so far. I really like most
of the stuff on these. (But don't ask me what the difference
is between a mambo, bolero, cha cha, or guaracha!)

     Conjunto Modelo: Guaguanco En La Habana
     Antonio ArcanoY Sus Maravillas: Danzon Mambo 1944-1951
     Conjunto Colonial: De Nelo Sosa A Burujon Punao
     Conjunto Casino: Mambo con Cha Cha Cha
     Conjunto Casino: Rumba Quimbumba

I've found a couple of interesting collections
on the Harlequin label too...

     Lecuona Cuban Boys Vol 7: In South America 1940-1944
     Havana Cuban Boys

Is anyone out there familiar with Cuban music or the
Tumbao line of CDs? Any info or recommendations?

See ya
Steve



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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:27:07 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

At 6:00 PM -0500 1/8/00, Nat Kone wrote:

>The first thing I have to say is that, having spent some time in a used
>record store last summer, I still find it amazing that so many "kids" are
>MORE interested in finding a sample that's already been used than they are
>in finding one that hasn't.

It's about the artifact. Similar to why some people still shell out big
bucks for, say, original Blue Note albums, even though they can buy the
reissue LP's or the CD's for less than 20 bucks.

>Are "they" really sampling bits that are unique to Now Sound records?  I
>was always told it's more like a drum break from a Seals n Crofts record -
>or Bob James - and not a whole "riff" per se...

Mostly the drum break........ but sometimes the riff.

br cleve


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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 03:28:26 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright myths

>Sure you can copy it. It makes no difference what you use for source
>material. Even if RCA spent ten billion dollars to digitally remove pops


Actually it does:  this is one of the few areas we've been discussing where
there's extensive case law in support of it.
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm

Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm


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