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exotica-digest        Saturday, January 8 2000        Volume 02 : Number 586



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) the list
Re: (exotica) MP3...
Re: (exotica) burning idea
Re: (exotica) the list
(exotica) what do you call this stuff?
Re: (exotica) what do you call this stuff?
(exotica) Re: Newbie here...
(exotica) Re: Nitty Gritty
Re: (exotica) the list
RE: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist
(exotica) Trading Mixes... 3 crap shattering titles
Re:  Re: (exotica) burning idea
Re:  Re: (exotica) the list
(exotica) Meeting my obligation
Re: (exotica) the list
Re: (exotica) Brass Ring remix
(exotica) exotica questionaire
Re: (exotica) greetings
Re: (exotica) MP3...
Re: (exotica) the list

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:50:03 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

>Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr wrote:
>> But at this point, 800 LPs later, it's becoming more infrequent to
>> find those mind-blowing, eye-opening new finds.

Kerry wrote:
> I started buying exotica in the late 80s when no one else
>was buying, and then after college, I moved to
>Nebraska, where there were shitloads of exotica /
>lounge / moog / weird LPs just waiting for me.

Yeah, those two statements sum it up for me. Plus, I travel a lot, without
a laptop (just spent most of the week in NYC, ferinstance, where I spent
time with Peter Thomas, who was visiting the US; I'll soon be off to
Switzerland to do some work with him) and when I'm home I work about 18
hours a day, so I post quite infrequently because I just don't have the
time. I've been on this list since close to its inception back in 1995 (I
believe it had been around for about 3 months when I joined); when it
started there were still a lot of discoveries of old recordings being made.
I think at this point all the 'classics' have been rediscovered, and many
are available again, either via bootleg or legit reissue. I rarely DJ
lounge/exotica these days; most of my spinning is in the downtempo,
breakbeat and deep house styles of music. And I hardly ever buy
exotica/lounge records, because I picked up hundreds a decade ago and
there's really not much left to find - - I do still look. I'm much more
interested now in what to do with the influences of all this stuff to
create new music, rather than just  listen to a bunch of old records.
That's what our mission was with Combustible Edison - to bring the lineage
into the present and forward into the future. It's always encouraging to
see new members here, to know that people are still picking up on these
varied musical styles that fall under the 'exotica' musical umbrella. I
feel, as the Millionaire once said, that 'we did our job'.

That said, I'll share what's playing right now as I type this, which I
think is amazing - "Pan Am : The Sound Of The 70's", by Yoshinori Sunahara.
Bungalow Records 070. Brilliant mix of lounge sounds and downtempo grooves.
5 stars....a-fucking-mazing!!!!!!!!!!!, as Jack would have said years ago.
And I hope all you DJ's played Arling & Cameron's brilliant '1999' (Emperor
Norton 12") on New Years Eve.

br cleve


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Date: 7 Jan 2000 23:17:49 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) MP3...

>>Since this music had its heyday decades ago, how do the public domain
laws affect it?
>Very little of the music discussed on this list is likely to be public
domain.  Right now it's unclear whether making an MP3 counts as a personal
use copy but it is clear that any distribution (passing it along to a
friend, putting it on a website for others to download, etc) would be a
copyright violation.

I am no expert here, but in general public domain ends somewhere in the
1920's now.  This means that if you have something copyrighted before that
certain year in the 1920's...and this is an original something...no one can
own the copyright on it.  HOWEVER, if you take that something and reproduce
it, that is a new creation.  Thus, to reproduce a copy of the originally
copyrighted material would be a violation of copyright.

All that said, however, you still have to be careful about using older
material.  Unless something actually says "Public Domain" on it, as some
very old song titles sometimes do, it helps to have some good research on
your side to make sure no one else has control over it in some way.

You may have heard Walt Disney's original Mickey Mouse films will soon be
public domain.  Disney is trying to get the law changed or at the very
least round up every single copy of the films it can gets hands on so that
no one else can reproduce them.  Of course, the company knew this day would
come and has worked to tighten controls on all of its productions.  If
anyone wants to eventually reproduce the public domain materials, Disney
will try to make sure they will be from very poor copies and thus not
commercially threatening.

Byron



Byron Caloz
Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way
http://www.hubris.net/zolac
The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 05:00:18 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) burning idea

At 06:09 PM 1/7/00 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>No way is Tommy Roe "soft"!
>I mean, "Jam Up and Jelly Tight"?
>Tommy Roe is *bubblegum*.  ;)

Far be it from me to disagree about bubblegum with someone who has the word
in their email address.
Having said that, I do include some quasi-bubblegum cuts on my soft pop
tapes.  You can throw in certain cuts by the Ohio Express or The Archies or
a few others and no one is the wiser.
But it's harder to fit in anyone on Buddah.  So I usually don't try.
Bubblegum is different, I agree.  I guess Tommy Roe is bubblegum.
Maybe I should have said Chris Montez.
But I think I could sneak a bit of Tommy onto a soft pop tape too.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 05:13:49 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

At 01:50 AM 1/8/00 -0500, Br. Cleve wrote:
>I think at this point all the 'classics' have been rediscovered, and many
>are available again, either via bootleg or legit reissue. And I hardly
ever buy
>exotica/lounge records, because I picked up hundreds a decade ago and
>there's really not much left to find - - I do still look.

You know, I'd love to believe that someone - anyone - has found and/or
heard it all. That would mean I could tell myself that I'd found and/or
heard a significant percentage of it and then I could tell that part of me
to go back to sleep.

Truth is I haven't heard most of it but I'm already telling myself that I
have.

It's endless certainly but is it significantly endless?  If you know what I
mean.

It's just curious that all these sorta jaded opinions are being shared at
this moment that I'm trying to convince myself that I've OD'ed on the stuff.

Still, the list doesn't have to be about your new discoveries.  It can be
about helping someone out with theirs and maybe in the process, discovering
- - or REdiscovering - a few things yourself.

Nat



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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 05:41:15 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) what do you call this stuff?

I'm looking for a term to describe that music which has become my main
focus within the larger lounge/exotica world.
I usually call it Now Sound - which I always capitalize for some reason -
but I'm not sure that isn't a bit too specific.  "Sixties lounge" would be
a bit more general but it may be too general.
I know this is just semantics but I still want to try and come up with the
right words.
Do you know the cut "Groovy Delivery Boy" on the Guess Who's Coming to
Dinner soundtrack?  Or the kind of instrumental cuts Stu Phillips did on
his biker soundtracks?  (They're not surf at all.)
Or maybe you know the instrumental pieces in the soundtrack to Beyond the
Valley of the Dolls.  (Or is it "Beneath"?  It's the one with the female
rock band anyway.)
Or Mancini's soundtrack for The Party.
To me they have a similar feel to some of that Peter Thomas and Vampiros
Lesbos stuff.
Would you call that Now Sound too?
Do you know the record "Boogaloo in Apartment 41" by Ozzie Torrens?  It has
a very "latin jazz" feel but I'd still include it in this genre I'm trying
to name.
Then I have this "Roy Budd plays Gilbert O'Sullivan" on electric piano with
a few cuts that'll remind you of Fender Rhodes fake funky jazz.
Then there're moog records and electric sitar records.  And some Gabor
Szabo.  And the Corporation record.
And of course, I'd like the genre to include the stuff that I specifically
identify as Now Sound.  Instrumental covers of sixties pop/rock hits from
the most rockin stuff like Sandy Nelson and the Ventures to the semi-rockin
like the Brass Ring to the usually-less-rockin-but-sometimes-really-rockin
stuff like Hollyridge Strings or Fantabulous Strings or 101 Strings or Mike
Curb.

So what do you call this stuff I'm still looking for?

(psychedelic lounge?  rock/lounge?  Now Lounge?)

Semantic lounge?

Nat?

Nat



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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:51:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) what do you call this stuff?

In a message dated 01/08/2000 5:37:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< (psychedelic lounge?  rock/lounge?  Now Lounge?)

 Semantic lounge?

 Nat? >>

I believe what you're talking about is officially called, "The Nat Sound"

- -Roy


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:39:20 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Newbie here...

    hi Josh, and welcome.  to answer your question:
        visit The "eXotica Releases Overview":
        http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1936/
    and look for items that got a +++++ rating, meaning: excellent.
    plenty of them around!

        Johan

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JOSH wrote:

> ....Could you recommend a few albums
>(CD format would be nice, I dont have a record player) that would expand my
>Exotica horizons?




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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:48:31 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Nitty Gritty

Mimi asked:

>Is the fully manual NG 1.0 (manual application of fluid, manual brushing
>and rotating during vacuuming, waste fluid plug on bottom) such a hassle to
>use it would be worth my while to spend significantly more ($375) and go
>for the NG 1.5 with automatic scrubbing and a slide-out waste fluid tray?

    No, unless you have to clean hundreds of records each week. and i
have never had to empty the waste container, because the fluid just
evaporates.


        Johan

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:27:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

In a message dated 01/08/2000 1:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm much more interested now in what to do with the influences of all this
stuff to
 create new music, rather than just listen to a bunch of old records. >>

Hey, some of us are just listeners.  To be honest, it's all old music, even
the new music.

- -R.G.B.


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:20:17 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Audio Learning Laboratory, New Twist

> But for a different example, look at all of the DJs on this list with live
> and/or archived web-radio shows -- some are spinoffs of broadcast radio,
> some are pure webcasts. And apparently quite legal (yet).
> So why not a "Radio Free Exotica" webcast?

This is a swell idea!  I'd be more than happy to devote an episode of
The Retro Cocktail Hour to "Radio Free Exotica", if anyone's
interested.

It would simply be a matter of my getting the tunes in some usable
form--we can accomodate CD-R, MP3, .wav, DAT, cassette, etc.
I could assemble the show and post it to our RealAudio site, as well
as broadcast it locally on KANU (for any listees in our broadcast
radius--are there any?).  And I like the notion of rotating the
responsibility around to all the DJs on the list.

So consider this an open call to anyone and everyone on the list.  If
there's something you'd like to hear on a "Radio Free Exotica" show,
contact me off-list about the specifics and let's start gathering the
tunes!  I can post the "playlist in progress" periodically and as
soon as we have enough for a full show, I'll put it on our site.  I
might even be able to burn a limited number of CDs of the finished
product for interested Exoticats.

BTW, this week's Retro Cocktail Hour includes a tune by Project
Pimento, which I learned about on this list.  I visited the site and
burned a CD-R to use on the show.

Thanks for the space!

Darrell Brogdon
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KANU Radio
Broadcasting Hall
The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:10:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Trading Mixes... 3 crap shattering titles

I'll throw my fez into this mix dealy.  I will do 2 for 1 blanks CDR trades.
Here are three CDR mixes I have concocted.  Some contain previously released
tracks, others are quite obscure.  Some songs are even repeated between
titles...

The NOW! Sound (1 Disc)
"Your FAVORITE hits of TODAY as performed by some of the best..."
You know the pitch.  This disc is a personal favorite, especially Light My
Fire,
Good Morning Starshine and Hazy Shade Of Winter.

1. MR. TAMBOURINE MAN       - WILLIAM SHATNER
2. GET BACK                 - ENOCH LIGHT
3. LIGHT MY FIRE                - ENOCH LIGHT
4. CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'      - DAVID McCALLUM
5. WHOLE LOTTA LOVE     - BOBBY SHAD
6. HOUSE OF RISING SUN      - HERBIE MANN
7. HAPPY TOGETHER           - HUGO MONTENEGRO
8. TIME OF THE SEASON       - 'LECTRIC WOODS
9. INDEX
10. STRAWBERRY FIELDS       - STARDRIVE
11. LOVE THE ONE YOU'RE WITH    - MYSTIC MOODS ORCHESTRA
12. BLOWIN' IN THE WIND     - BOB & PHIL ORCHESTRA
13. LAY LADY LAY                - HUGO MONTENEGRO
14. HURDY GURDY MAN     - JOHNNY ARTHEY
15. AQUARIUS                    - JAMES LAST
16. HAIR                        - DON KIRSHNER
17. GOOD MORNING STARSHINE  - SOUNDS GALACTIC
18. I CAN SEE FOR MILES     - LORD SITAR
19. PINBALL WIZARD          - BOBBY SHAD
20. HAZY SHADE OF WINTER    - HUGO MONTENEGRO
21. BALLAD OF EASY RIDER    - FERRANTE & TEICHER
22. MONDAY MONDAY           - BRASS RING


VERY BAD MUSIC VOLUME 1
These tunes make peoples skin crawl.. and for good reason! That's why, of
course, they're included here as some of my favorites.

1. Mother               - Mr. T
2. John Shaft           - Sammi Davis Jr.
3. Who Loves You Baby? - Telly Savalas
4. Teri, The Security Director  - L. Ron Hubbard
5. Fly, Yar Warriors Fly    - Yar's Revenge Orch.
6. INDEX TRACK
7. Lapti  Nek - Dance Mix from Return Of The Jedi
8. Cantina Band                            - Electric Moog Orch.
9. Friday The 13th Part III  Theme     - Harry Manfredini
10. Just A Closer Walk With Thee    - Geraldine And Ricky
11. Mr. T's Commandment               - Mr. T
12. The Fonz Song                           - The Sound Effects
13. Movin' On Up                            - Boots Randolph
14. Pop Goes The Weasel                - Anthony Newley
15. The Candyman                            - Anthony Newley
16. Your Cheatin' Heart                    - Bill "Candyman" Kehr
17. Mr. Tambourine Man                  - William Shatner
18. Lay Lady Lay                            - Hugo Montenegro
19. Don't Talk To Strangers              - Mr. T
20. The Drone                                 - L. Ron Hubbard
21. Close Encounters Of The 3rd Kind  Theme  - MECO

VERY BAD MUSIC VOLUME 2
Yet another collection of beloved favorites, butchered like so much mead...
Also includes what could become a new genre amongst us collectors
"stereotypical poser rock". IE: the band tries SO hard for rock god
credibility... they don't realize how low they've sunk.  Two examples here
come from New Wave stalwarts A Flock Of Seagulls and Gary Numan

1. Fixing A Hole                - George Burns
2. Come Together            - Robin Williams / Bobby McFerrin
3. Setting Sun              - Flock Of Seagulls
4. 1999                         - Gary Numan
5.  I Can't Stop Lovin' You     -  Gil Trythall
6. You've Lost That Lovin Feelin'   - Telly Savalas
7. Like,Young               - Perry Como
8. Downtown                     - Frank Sinatra
9. Light My Fire                - Enoch Light
10. Toughest Man In The World  - Mr. T
11. Star Trek Theme         - Ferrante & Teicher
12. It Was A Very Good Year  - William Shantner
13. Feelings                    - Arnie Aka Nui
14. Bennie & The Jets       - Biz Markie
15. Southern Nights         - Boots Randolph
16. Bringing In The Sheaves - Mike Curb
17. Joy To The World        - Hugo Montenegro
18. I've Got A Golden Ticket  - Anthony Newley
19. When I'm Five           - David Bowie
20. My Way              - Hugo Montenegro
21. Fonz Impressionist Track


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:13:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) burning idea

In a message dated 1/7/0 9:24:37 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>No way is Tommy Roe "soft"!
>I mean, "Jam Up and Jelly Tight"?
>Tommy Roe is *bubblegum*.  ;)

Untrue my friend...spit out the gum and listen up! You need to locate a copy
of "Phantasy" immediately. Hear Tommy join the Golden Protest Bandwagon as
only Tommy can!  Listen as he bemoans the "Plastic World" in which we live.
Hear him recount his "Paisley Dreams". Nod knowingly as he sings of the
transgressions of "The Executive". Empathize as he shares his "Melancholy
Mood". And allow your third eye (even if its blind in the New Year) to share
the "Visions" of his "Mystic Magic". The cover shows Tommy in a
balloon-filled playground standing atop a circular slide with hippie-frocked
children looking up at him from various positions on the slide. Tommy is soft
rock/pop here at its finest.....Trust me....Jimmy Botticelli/"Its Now
Winter's Day"


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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:37:40 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) the list

>[e-mail] writes:

><< I'm much more interested now in what to do with the influences of all
this
>stuff to
> create new music, rather than just listen to a bunch of old records. >>

I have to give the Bro' his credit on this one. During the late 8T's I
exhausted soul music in much the same way. I found almost EVERY significant
non-hit soul 45 (and it is a world of 45's and I own over 3000 of them) over
a 10 year period that meant something to the sound I was pursuing..ie. vocal
groups with lush orchestral backing. Then along came the digital "revolution"
. The vocals got pushed to the back of the sound and the sound was lost to
me. The English (god bless them) tried to revive it in the late 8T's and
early 9T's with the Soul To Soul movement, The Chimes, and all Ian Levine's
efforts. House would occasionally have some good group efforts...Blaze for
example. But all I could do to satisfy my thirst was dig up more and more
6T's and 7T's sounds. Finally, SPLOINK (rip, Don martin), I'd had it. A couple
 of years came by and along came "Lounge"> I got into the instruumental side
of things thanks to some good coaching (after all, vocal GROUPS was my
thing). And now it is starting to feel like I'm nearing the end although I
have nothing but my own gut with which to verify that. So I think moving
forward, going ahead and combining elements to create new music is a good
thing. My ears just have to let it in. ...Jimmy Botticelli/dismounting the
pulpit now


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:38:38 +0100
From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Meeting my obligation

[e-mail] wrote:

> All who haven't previously done so may meet their obligation now.
> Yep, it's Exotica Amnesty 2000!

Whoops...


> 1. Are you a musician? Explain...

Yes, I am. I play the piano and other keyboards. I even played with the idea of
becoming a professional musician and/or piano teacher. It all went horribly
wrong of course...


> 2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this?

La Musique qui fait Popp, the infamous CD of AndrΘ Popp compositions played by
the Metropole Orchestra.


> 3. This list could help you more by...

I like it the way it is.


> 4. Other exotica/things you collect

I love books just as much as I love records. I have a modest collection of
books by Dutch mystery writer Havank. And I have THREE vintage radios. Does
that count?


> 5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like

Lots of 'em... Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Bob Dylan, Beck, Velvet
Underground, Charlie Mingus, Sun Ra, Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, The
Beatles, Prince, ethnic music,  folk, etc., etc.


> 6. What are you just dying to tell us?

I am in love.


> 7. Own a fez?  If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or
> other lounge-wear of which you are proud?

Nope.

> 8. Shaken/stirred?

On the rocks.

Marco

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:38:43 +0100
From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

Nat Kone wrote:

> It's just curious that all these sorta jaded opinions are being shared at
> this moment that I'm trying to convince myself that I've OD'ed on the stuff.

One thing that no one has mentioned yet, but that's very relevant for me:
I'm not listening to Exotica constantly. There's so much other music that I
like. For example, I can listen to jazz for weeks, without ever playing an easy
or rock record. And then suddenly I can go crazy over Esquivel or AndrΘ Popp
again. I guess this works the same way for other people on the list. What I'm
trying to say is: there are times when I read all the posts on this list and
feel like responding to them. At other times I delete all the things that don't
seem interesting.
And one other thing: I bet there are plenty of lurkers around who just enjoy
reading other peoples comments and don't feel like writing about their finds.

Marco


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:53:52 PST
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Brass Ring remix

Hey all, just got through listening to Thinkmatic's fantastically remixed
rendition of "Dis-advantages of You" by the Brass Ring. A fantasticaly
recycled tune indeed. Dancefloor approved!! I recommend that you folks take
a listen to see what one can do with a bit of wit and some software. Mr
Bodner would indeed be proud.

heres that url again!

http://members.aol.com/thinkmatic/disadv1x.mp3

- -jonathan

ps
wasnt this song originally used in a cigarette ad in the 60's. Benson and
Hedges perhaps?
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 12:14:00 -0500
From: Citizen Kafka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) exotica questionaire

Well, everyone, this should be interesting, seeing this filled out in a
similarly confessional manner by the rest of youse...

1. Are you a musician? Explain...

Yes, was professional 20+ years... twisted old-time/bluegrass and
undefinable rock band. Main instruments:
fiddle and bass in Wretched Refuse String Band, theremin in Citizen
Kafka Band. For years was the only union theremin player, now plenty of
pros... career highlights: theremin soloist with major symphony
orchestra at Lincoln Center NYC performing Spellbound Concerto. String
Band: through booking mistake, my string band ends up being BB King's
back-up band. I'm on electric bass that day... not comfortable, so i ask
Charlie Mingus (in front row) to sit in... his response? "i don't play
guitar." Fired from broadway show by John Houseman for insulting him
musically on stage while he's receiving a mayor's reward (i start
playing Donkey Serenade behind ceremony). My string band (and rock band)
composed of real good nyc string nuts, like andy statman, tony trischka,
ken kosek, etc. Oh yeah, we opened a very straight bluegrass show
(Allison Krauss, Nashville Bluegrass Band and us) and did a bluegrass
rap song with a 350 pound blond Austrian guy in a skintight pink body
stocking and a Madonna headmic singing "I'm a pink thing."

2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this?

I'm confessing- i'm not strictly a genre type of guy, and i can't sign
on to the "this" in this question. Been listening and accumulating for
40+ years, saw and heard many of the new 'finds' when they were first
out, most of them were lame then and only a little better now. It's the
real obscure records with hot music that light my fire.

3. This list could help you more by...

so far so good. a little sad to see the natural progression of any
internet list, loss of great participants through attrition, etc.

4. Other exotica/things you collect

i only accumulate; collecting is for more retentive types. outsider art
(don't get me started about defining this in public),
flyers/posters/handouts/books/other stuff by psychotics, hashi oki
(chopstick rests)...

5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like:

everything. seriously. collection dates back to 1890...

6. What are you just dying to tell us?

i've blabbed enough.


7. Own a fez?  If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it
or
> other lounge-wear of which you are proud?

several. various freemason/shriner types, mostly old (1900-1940's). the
usual, funny names, gold braid, etc. Loungewear? Silk deep gray shadow
striped knee length kimono (real one), and a great midnight blue satin
ankle length robe. Also a good collection of 1960's cheap colognes, and
more contemporary very cheap aftershaves.

8. Shaken/stirred?

can't drink - narcotics don't mix well with booze...


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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:24:15 PST
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) greetings

Hi, im not new to the list in fact I have been on it since 1997 or so,
however, I was never so inclined to fill one of these forms out till now.

>1. Are you a musician? Explain...

Most definitely. Bass is my passion, however, as of late I have been diving
deep into the realm of the digital and creating songs using old records,
radio transmissions, found sounds, old synths, whistles, organs (not the
bodily ones), TV's, and whatever else I can find that makes a noise, put
them all into a sampler and make the biggest racket one can possibly ever
make. Actually it sound pretty neat.

>2. Space-age/exotic LP/CD that turned you on to this?

Two words for you. Enoch Light. Actually I first started collecting this
"exotica" solely for the album covers, especially the ones on Command and
Project 3. i just love the thick waxy gatefold covers and the simple design
on the covers.  Then slowly started listening to the music, then came Denny,
Baxter etc. I started finding more and more and the madness just will not
stop. I have close to 3000 or more records. I rarely if at all buy CDs
because if I wait long enough I will eventually find it on LP, and probably
only for 25cents. (Im a cheap-o like that)

>3. This list could help you more by...

I couldnt think of anything that would help me more by this list. i just
love it, whether im just lurking or  putting in my 2 cents or just learning
about all music and things "exotica". The passion for it on this list
overwhelms me. Keep it up guys!!

>4. Other exotica/things you collect

Of course Tiki mugs, got hundreds, its sick! ( plug for a pal's site if
interested http://www.tikimug.com ) Anything with a tiki on it  Matchbooks,
swizzle sticks, menus from exotic restaurants, books, old magazines,
especially old hot rod mags. Furniture from by-gone days, mid-century modern
etc. Vintage electronic things. so much!!

>5. Unrelated music genres/acts you like

Jazz, vintage electronic, Andalusian nose-flute music, you know--- what ever
captures my ear at the moment. etc etc etc.

>6. What are you just dying to tell us?

That I love you all.

>7. Own a fez?  If so, what color, texture and tassel color? Describe it or
>other lounge-wear of which you are proud?

No fez, but I have a smoking robe and all my clothes are lounge-wear.  My
only clothes that arent vintage are my socks and underwear.

>8. Shaken/stirred?

shaken. I love to do a little mambo dance while shaking it. cha-cha-cha !


thank you, I finally got that out of my system. Whew!

- -jonathan
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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:06:05 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) MP3...

>1920's now.  This means that if you have something copyrighted before that
>certain year in the 1920's...and this is an original something...no one can
>own the copyright on it.  HOWEVER, if you take that something and reproduce
>it, that is a new creation.  Thus, to reproduce a copy of the originally
>copyrighted material would be a violation of copyright.


Not exactly.  Copyright lasts for the life of the author plus a certain
number of years afterwards (75 currently but material this old will vary
depending on how the statute revision affected it and whether it was
renewed, something no longer required) with provisions for work-for-hire or
corporately owned work.  As for a copy of public domain work:  the work is
still public domain and anybody can copy that copy.  What you may be
thinking about is that the copy might be protected by copyright if it has
some original (a term of art) presentation.  So while "David Copperfield"
is public domain and you can publish it anyway you want, you can't take a
Penguin or Bantam paperback and duplicate that (Penguin or Bantam's
presentation is copyrightable).  Or the early Caruso recordings may be
public domain but you can't just grab an RCA CD and run off CD-Rs of that
(though the confusing part is that you can make a CD identical in content
to the RCA one with no copyright violation as long as you do it directly
from the original sources--78s or whatever).  The point for this list is
that as long as you have true public domain recordings you can copy (from
the original) and distribute to your heart's content.  Though for most
things from the 30s/40s and almost everything 50s and after that's still
under copyright the current law allows you to make a copy for personal use
(and MP3s probably count but that's not clear) but if you trade it, give it
away or even just let somebody borrow it you're violating the copyright.

LT
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:20:20 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) the list

At 5:13 AM -0500 1/8/00, Nat Kone wrote:

>You know, I'd love to believe that someone - anyone - has found and/or
>heard it all. That would mean I could tell myself that I'd found and/or
>heard a significant percentage of it and then I could tell that part of me
>to go back to sleep.

I think 'significant percentage' is the operative term here. When I first
got into this, I was wroking at 2 used record stores and had a collection
of Schwann catalogs from the 50's/60's that I would study endlessly. So at
least as far as U.S. releases, I knew what was available out of a finite
list (dealing specifically in Exotica and Space Age Bach Pad, Moog and
soundtracks). Between what would come into the store, what I'd find on my
own, what I'd hear at my friends homes, or what I'd hear DJ's play while
out on the road for 6 years with ComEd, I truly believe I heard at least
99.9% of the records that had been pressed.

When you get into the Now Sound (and yes, Nat, I'd use that term to
describe all of what that), it gets much wider in scope, if only because
the record companies began to release much more product by the late 60's. I
spent some time at the new breed of used record stores this week in New
York, the ones that sell no rock or pop music, only jazz, funk, hip hop,
now sound, soundtracks and latin. There are hundreds of Now Sound type
records in these stores, usually grouped together under the headers
'samples' or 'beats', and with very high price tags - because they contain
a drum break or phrase that would be usable in hip hop/dance track (or has
already been used, making it desireable to get the original break, as there
are people who collect those as well as those who use them in a sampler).
As far as the 'easy' end of Now Sound spectrum, I kept seeing the same
records over and over, a great many of which I knew (70's Ferrante &
Teicher, Percy Faith, Moe Kauffman, etc); you also keep seeing the same
songs over and over. But that doesn't mean you don't run across a new twist
- - just a couple of weeks ago a friend played me Galt MacDermot's "First
Natural Hair Band". How many versions of songs from "Hair" have I heard? (I
saw the fucking show in 1969 fer chissakes). But it was fantastic -- and
I'd never seen the record before. (I did see it in NY for $40). And if you
move into the jazz/funk spectrum there's a whole new can of worms. Much of
it is generic, some of it great. Ever heard The Silhouettes? There's a
couple of tracks by them on one of the Italian Mood Mosaic bootlegs. The
same friend (who owns 2 used record stores) got that in a collection he
bought. Great record, funky jazz combo on a one off label out of Pittsburgh
from 1970; great Mancini track on it, lots of wordless vocals and ba-ba-bap
scatting. Of course the thing is super rare, so he put a $100+ price tag on
it. Was it worth that much to me? Nah, but I'm glad I heard it.

>Truth is I haven't heard most of it but I'm already telling myself that I
>have.

Truth is you probably have. It's all just variations on a theme after
awhile; knowing what's best seems to come from hearing so much of it that
you can seperate the bullshit from the steak. Specific titles that excell
get acknowledged by a number of people.  "Groovy Delivery Boy" on the Guess
Who's Coming to Dinner is a good example. I had just picked that record up,
without hearing it but seeing that title - and a $2.99 price tag ; then it
got written about on the list a day or so later. I bought Moe Kauffman's
"Turned On" a day before someone (Roy?) reccomended it. There's still some
things to find, and there's still folks finding it near simultaneously - -
something this list has always (weirdly) excelled at.

>Still, the list doesn't have to be about your new discoveries.  It can be
>about helping someone out with theirs and maybe in the process, discovering
>- or REdiscovering - a few things yourself.

True - and one can at least point folks in the right direction to the great
sites that have sprung up since the (r)evolution of the Cocktail Nation --
Johan, Robbie, Kini, Brad, the old Joe Holmes and Vic sites; and of course
they can actually hear a lot of this stuff, thanks to Darrell and now The
Millionaire at Luxuriamusic. And I'm always grateful to Chuck for his
commentaries on the new electropop coming out of Tokyo, Madrid, Paris, etc;
and to everyone who keeps the continually expanding world of exotica moving
in countless directions, whether others think it fits or not.. That's why I
haven't unsubscribed after all these years. Oh yeah, and I like the obits,
but don't ask me why.

br cleve


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