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dr350-digest         Sunday, December 12 1999         Volume 01 : Number 220




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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:31:26 EST
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Subject: Fwd: (dr350)DR bar layout solution

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available from Thumper racing:BAR ELEVATORS,1" or 1 1/2"
I got the 1 1/2",I am 6' and it si much better,the bar elevator goes up+
foward..
Thumper racing:1-800-259-5186...cost:$89.00
Also if you just want to raise the bar,just get 2 extra bar clamps and use
them as spacer with longer screws works great.

Guy
350 dr 91
650 klr97
250 helix86

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:34:12 -0800
From: "Greg Lara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr350) Charcoal canister

Rob,

Thank you for the tips.

- --Greg

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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Rob Korb
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 2:28 PM
To: DRList
Subject: Re: (dr350) Charcoal canister


Greg,

I have the same bike and I've removed the charcoal canister.  As far as I
know these canisters exist only on the California model DR's.  It's there
for smog reasons because California is off the deep end about stuff like
this.  It works as a storage container for gas fumes from the tank and then
routes them back into the carb when the bike is moving at speed.

I removed my canister very shortly after purchasing my bike for fear of the
exact flooding reasons you described.  To plug the hole where the canister
originally connects to the carb, I used a short length (1.5 inches or so) of
sturdy rubber hose.

In order for this work I had to find a way to plug one end of the hose and
slide the other end over the carb connection sealing it off.  A buddy of
mine had a heat gun, so I heated up the hose to make it softer and I
literally screwed a wood screw all the way into one of the hose ends.  After
making sure it was firmly in place and completely sealed, I heated the other
end of the hose and then pushed right onto the vent in the carb.  After
cooling for a bit, it was totally anchored to the carb and there is no way
this plug is ever to going to fall off during riding.

This is not an elegant way to plug the carb vent but there is a reason why
I'm using this ugly contraption.  I wanted to have the freedom to remove
this plug at a later time if I chose to do so.  I can heat this tubing up
before removal and pull it right off without it breaking.  I also didn't
want to have a problem pulling the hose out or gripping it properly.  The
screw serves as a very nice handle to pull on and also reinforces the end of
the tubing so it won't break during removal.

I'm sure there are better ways to do this job, but this is what I came up
with.

As far as venting the tank, I didn't do anything at all to my tank after
removing the smog canister and everything's been fine, it's just not as
"enviro-friendly" as it was before.

Good luck in whatever you decide on.

Rob.





>I own a '94 DR350SE. Everything is stock, except for the addition of
Acerbis
>plastic.
>
>I would like to remove the charcoal canister (for closed-course operation
>only, of course). The charcoal canister collects gasoline fumes venting
from
>the tank so the fumes can be sucked back into the carb when the engine is
>running--a great idea. However, every time I drop the bike (an event that
>occurs more frequently that I care to admit) the engine stalls and is
>impossible to start. I understand that tipping the bike floods the canister
>with liquid gasoline causing the carb to suck liquid fuel into places it
>expects a fuel-air mixture, thereby flooding the engine. At that point, I
>have two options: wait 15 minutes until the charcoal starts drying out; or
>bump start the bike by riding down a long hill. It seems that running the
>electric starter makes the spark too weak to fire up the engine when
>flooded. Throttle position makes no difference.
>
>Before removing the charcoal canister, I am trying to figure out the best
>way to:
>1) Plug up the hole in the carburetor that accepts the hose running from
the
>charcoal canister.
>2) Safely vent the gas tank.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions from you guys.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>--Greg
>
>Ph: 408-428-6251
>[e-mail]
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:19:38 -0800
From: Trail Rider <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr350) Charcoal canister

oGreg Lara wrote:
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> Thank you for your advise, especially to leave the hole in the carburetor as
> is. Your message raises two questions, though.
>
> 1) If the hole in the carb is designed to draw vapors from the canister, and
> you leave the passage open, don't you run the risk of sucking dust and dirt
> into the carb? Is this dangerous?

  I have used this set-up all summer long.  I ride in very dusty areas
and recently in mud and have had no problem.  Now make sure we're
talking about the same vent.  There is a hose that runs to your
petcock.  That's the vacuum hose and you should not mess with it.  I
took the other two hoses and ran them both straight down.  As far as I
can tell, there is no vacuum in these lines and they are used only for
venting or allowing fuel to run out of them.

  If you drop the bike on its side after you run the hoses down, gas
will pour out of them just like a 2 stroke carb.  This should be no
more dangerous than a 2 stroke.

  The other thing is when you have the choke on after you run the
hoses down, if you lean the bike to the right (major lean) it will try
to
die.  Once you turn off the choke, you will have no more problems.

  You can try it and if you don't like it, then you can revert back to
stock.  Make sure you make a map of the hoses before you disconnect
them so you can put them back if you want to.

>
> 2) I would like to know more details about the paper filter you fashioned
> for the gas tank vent.

  It was quite simple actually.  I just bought some of the clear hose
that is used in the carbs for 2 strokes.  I took some paper towel and
rolled a small piece semi-tight and inserted it into one end of the
tube.  I then tie-wrapped the end around the paper tight enough so it
wouldn't come out, but not so tight as to close off the tube.  I then
attached the other end of the tube to the gas tank and tie-wrapped it
on there.  This way you can see if it gets dirty.

Good luck!

- --
Scott Aldrich
'98 Suzuki DR350SE
'85 Honda CR125R
'74 Yamaha DT125A

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:14:35 -0800
From: "Rob Korb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr350) Charcoal canister

Scott,

I  was interested to find out more when I read about not plugging the carb
port connecting the gas fume recirc hose.  I rode my bike yesterday with the
plug removed but didn't notice any difference in performance than with the
plug in.

Are the street carbs on the 98's different than the ones on the 94's?  If
they are, perhaps this is the reason for why your bike ran poorly with the
port plugged.

<shrug> who knows.  I guess if I had to do this in the future on another
bike I would try both ways and go with whatever worked best.

See ya,
Rob.

>  I removed the charcoal cannister and all the extra hoses also.
>
>  Don't plug up the hole in the carb, it will run like crap if you do
>(been there, done that).  What I did was run the tube out of the carb
>straight down.  I tried putting a paper filter in it, but that was too
>much of a resriction and it ran like crap even with that.  There are two
>vent hoses, I tie wrapped them together and ran both of them straight
>down.  Now if you fall over gas will run out the tubes (just like in a 2
>stroke), but it vents out quickly and should be easy to start.
>--
>Scott Aldrich
>'98 Suzuki DR350SE
>'85 Honda CR125R
>'74 Yamaha DT125A



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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:06:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (dr350) (DR350) Riders call to action!

I thought you all might be interested in helping to save our rights as ORV=20
users.
A couple of minutes of your time to respond to the sites below could help=20
save our riding areas. Also pass this on to other lists and friends so we ca=
n=20
put a stop to this nonsense
You may want to print this out so you can follow the steps.  Below are two=20
website links for two different purposes.

1)  This first link is to the US Forestry site. In the middle of the first=20
page is a link in red letters which reads "Comment on the Proposed Rule". =20
Click this link.  You will go to a page where you enter your name and email=20
address, and below it is a comment box.  Type your comments into the box. =20
Keep it brief and to the point.  These comments go to the US Forestry=20
department.  If you want some guidance on what to say, there are a couple of=
=20
samples at the bottom of this page.

Click here:
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fs.fed.us/forum/nepa/rule/index.html"> NFMA PROPOSED R=
ULE=20
NOTEBOOK=A0 TABLE OF CONTENTS Last Updated 9</A>=20
( http://www.fs.fed.us/forum/nepa/rule/index.html )
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

2)  This next link is to a voting site hosted by MSNBC.  When you go there,=20
you will see an article primarily directed at snowmobiles... but if you read=
=20
carefully, it is actually an attack on all forms of off-road.  About half wa=
y=20
down the page on the left hand side there is a voting box.  Click the "NO"=20
button (that is, we do not favor greater restrictions on ORV's).

Click here:   <A HREF=3D"http://www.msnbc.com/news/325936.asp#body">New push=
 to=20
ban off-road vehicles</A>
( http://www.msnbc.com/news/325936.asp#body )


**Save this URL address as a Favorite Place or Bookmark.  Go back and vote=20
again as many times as you want.**


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3)  Lastly, you can e-mail your comments (perhaps the same stuff you wrote o=
n=20
the USFS site) to:


roadless/[e-mail]

(Use your mouse to highlight this address, then copy it, then paste it into=20
your "write mail" screen).

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Examples for comments box on USFS site are below:

*****************

I am AGAINST the closure of any public land.  My family and I are avid=20
off-road enthusiasts.  We do not want any land declared as "roadless".

Please leave the public land open to us, the public.

*****************

I am firmly AGAINST using a wilderness designation to prevent the public use=
=20
of public land.  There is no excuse for closing me out of my own recreationa=
l=20
areas.  The land is there for people to use and enjoy.  We cannot enjoy it i=
f=20
we have no access to it.

*****************
There is very little good in the proposed increase of wilderness lands, and=20
there are a lot of wrongs.  Do not close our national lands to people.

These are public lands and I am the public, a US citizen and an owner of the=
=20
land.

I WILL NOT BE CLOSED OUT OF MY OWN LAND!

******************************

Special thanks to Bill (Watchdawg) Malec, Keith Obermeyer, Ed Larosche, and=20
Steve Schaffer for the research on these topics and for sending the links to=
=20
us.

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 08:16:17 -0700
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr350) ride underway...

Forgive me if this has been posted but Linda and Jeff have a great ride
underway and they post often to their website:

http://www.aracnet.com/~anspach/tripjournals.html

Kurt Simpson
Editor
Dual Sport News
www.dualsport.org


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