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dr-digest           Saturday, June 24 2000           Volume 01 : Number 183



RE: (dr) 650 woes continue ...
Re: (dr) 650 woes continue ...
Re: (dr) 650 woes continue ...
RE: (dr) 650 woes continue ...
(dr) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:57:35 -0600
Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...
Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...
(dr) footpegs, rear set
Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:58:16 +0100
From: "Copsey, Stephen J (Steve)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr) 650 woes continue ...

Lisa,

This is certainly not normal. My KLX650 has done nearly 30k hard miles and
will use perhaps 100/200ml every thousand miles. Big singles do blow oil out
the breather - if you have ever seen the size of the piston you will
appreciate the pressure pulsing in the crankcase. Putting a valve on the
breather is a big no-no unless you want an automatic chain oiler.... My KLX
(and everyone else's it seems) will spit out perhaps a few cc's of oil every
500 miles or so and has a little container under the airbox to catch it in.

If a lot of oil is being blown out the carb will be gunged up on the inside.

A dyno run will not necessarily highlight a problem, if for example the oil
control rings are leaking but the compression rings are not. Or if a valve
guide seal is leaking. A clean plug is also not a 100% indication as
fourstrokes do a good job of burning up oil in small quantities as (I think)
they run hotter than a stroker.

Anyway, I'm no expert but it sounds like it needs fixing. Stand up for your
rights and refuse to leave the shop until they agree to fix it. Draw on your
anger to give you strength !

Best of luck !

Steve

> ----------
> From:     Lisa Bierlmeier[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     Lisa Bierlmeier
> Sent:     23 June 2000 04:29
> To:     DR List
> Subject:     (dr) 650 woes continue ...
>
> OK, maybe y'all can give me some advice ...
>
> My 97 DR650 (new in November of 99) has been eating Motul 3100 10W40 - 1
> quart in 900 miles over one 2-week period recently.  When I initially
> mentioned this to my dealer, he brushed it off as being normal for a big
> single doing 75mph down I-5 on the weekends.  Not convinced, I had a
> different shop do a leak-down test, which came out at 22%.  The Suzuki
> warranty rep initially tried to blame the problem on my going to the Motul
> at 6k miles, but then agreed to replace the rings etc., insisting that I
> have my own dealer do the work, and calling him to authorize it.
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:38:18 -0500
From: "Jan Bradley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 650 woes continue ...

Lisa,
        Mine has about 3500 miles on it. I have had it on the highway
for 500 miles at a time and a track day (about 125 hard miles) and just
general riding around and off road etc. It has never used any oil. I
used Spectro 4 non-synth. until about 200 miles ago when I changed to
Golden Spectro synth blend. I think you need to convince Suzuki to let
you deal with a different dealer.

JB
'98 DR650SE
'86 R80

>>> "Lisa Bierlmeier" <[e-mail]> 06/22/00 10:29PM >>>
OK, maybe y'all can give me some advice ...

My 97 DR650 (new in November of 99) has been eating Motul 3100 10W40 -
1
quart in 900 miles over one 2-week period recently.  When I initially
mentioned this to my dealer, he brushed it off as being normal for a
big
single doing 75mph down I-5 on the weekends.  Not convinced, I had a
different shop do a leak-down test, which came out at 22%.  The Suzuki
warranty rep initially tried to blame the problem on my going to the
Motul
at 6k miles, but then agreed to replace the rings etc., insisting that
I
have my own dealer do the work, and calling him to authorize it.

I took it in, but my dealer was not convinced and dyno'd the bike -
says the
power is right up there and the plugs are clean.  Also denies seeing
any
puffs of smoke from the pipe after 'hot stops.'  He thinks that the oil
is
being sucked back into the airbox and - get this - advised me to
install a
PCV valve in the crankcase breather hose.  I asked him to do a 2nd
leak-down
test, as he feels that the other dealer didn't do it correctly, owing
to the
automatic decompression.  He replied that it's so much work to remove
the
tank and all, and he doesn't even know how to ensure that it's at TDC
with
the decompression closed (thus, how could the other dealer have done
the
test correctly?)

Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but would the PCV valve not end
up
pressurizing the crankcase and blowing every gasket in sight??  I've
drained
some oil from the airbox, but certainly not quarts of it.  I ascribe
the
recent increase in drainage to increasing blow-by.  I'd like to take
the
bike to the second dealer, but Suzuki seems to insist that you stick
with
whom you bought the bike from.  I'll be calling the warranty rep again
tomorrow.

Advice??




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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:15:15 -0700
From: Jim Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 650 woes continue ...

Lisa,

My DR650 only has 1100 miles on it but it hasn't used any oil and there is
none in the air cleaner box.

I'm not familiar with the Motul oil you are using, but if it is synthetic
you might try switching back to the recommended SG rated non-synthetic
10W-40 oil just to see if it makes a difference before tearing into the
engine.

I noticed that when I switched to synthetic oil in my previous bike (Harley
1200 Sportster), I got a lot more blowby oil in the aircleaner. It would
actually drip out onto the engine cases when stopping after a hard run. I
switched back to non-synthetic oil of the same weight and had no more oil
dripping from the air cleaner.

Jim

> ----------
> From:     Lisa Bierlmeier[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     Lisa Bierlmeier
> Sent:     23 June 2000 04:29
> To:     DR List
> Subject:     (dr) 650 woes continue ...
>
> OK, maybe y'all can give me some advice ...
>
> My 97 DR650 (new in November of 99) has been eating Motul 3100 10W40 - 1
> quart in 900 miles over one 2-week period recently.  When I initially
> mentioned this to my dealer, he brushed it off as being normal for a big
> single doing 75mph down I-5 on the weekends.  Not convinced, I had a
> different shop do a leak-down test, which came out at 22%.  The Suzuki
> warranty rep initially tried to blame the problem on my going to the Motul
> at 6k miles, but then agreed to replace the rings etc., insisting that I
> have my own dealer do the work, and calling him to authorize it.


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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:13:43 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr) 650 woes continue ...

> Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but would the PCV valve not end
> up pressurizing the crankcase and blowing every gasket in sight??  I've
> drained some oil from the airbox, but certainly not quarts of it.  I
ascribe
> the recent increase in drainage to increasing blow-by.  I'd like to take
> the bike to the second dealer, but Suzuki seems to insist that you stick
> with whom you bought the bike from.  I'll be calling the warranty rep
again
> tomorrow.
>
> Advice??

you're on the right track...work with the warranty rep, ultimately whatever
he/she says is going to be the gospel...tell him you belong to an internet
mailing group that focuses exclusively on the DR models and none of the 650
owners have anything similar in the way of oil usage...

Kurt


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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:00:39 -0600
From: "Kurt Simpson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:57:35 -0600

Jesse's rearset footpegs are pictured here:

http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/dr350/DR350pegs.html

Thanks Jesse,

Kurt

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:19:38 -0700
From: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...

> Anyone else observed the same thing about your DR?  Maybe the bar >risers have
> the same effect as moving the footpegs down and/or back??
>
> - Mike

Mike,
    It would have the same effect when you are standing, but when sitting
the bars would be getting rather high compared to your shoulder height.
I'm 5'11" and put some bars on that are about 1" higher, and rotated
them to the highest position. At that my arms are just about parallel to
the ground. The height is almost right when standing, but too far to the
rear. Optimally moving the pegs down and back would be a better
solution, but then you have to watch out for how much your knees are
bent. If you have long legs, it may help or it may make it worse, you'd
just have to try it. Since I have chronic leg pain from a spinal cord
injury, I don't stand up anyway. Only on a few occasions when I miss
seeing a big bump, then just up and down.
Wayne
********************************************************************
        Wayne Marsula', Escondido, CA
        "Casual Collector of Classic Hondas"
Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - California Field Representative
            http://www.mikthebik.com/
=======================================================================
MB-5    S-65    S-90    CT-90    SS-125    CA-95    CL-160
CB-200    TL-250    CB77    CL77    CA77    CB350-4    CB400F
    CB500-4    CB-550F    CB750F    CB900F    GL1100
BMW R100GSPD (La Tortuga Coja)    BMW R75/5 "Toaster Tank"
    Suzuki DR350SE.... Ready for some Dual Sportin' .............
AND........ A Proud Member of the: *NATIONAL*RIFLE*ASSOCIATION*

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:47:15 -0400
From: "William C. Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...

>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:42:18 -0400
>To: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
>From: "William C. Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>>> Anyone else observed the same thing about your DR?  Maybe the bar
>>>>risers have
>>> the same effect as moving the footpegs down and/or back??
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>
>>Mike,
>>    It would have the same effect when you are standing, but when sitting
>>the bars would be getting rather high compared to your shoulder height.
>>I'm 5'11" and put some bars on that are about 1" higher, and rotated
>>them to the highest position. At that my arms are just about parallel to
>>the ground. The height is almost right when standing, but too far to the
>>rear. Optimally moving the pegs down and back would be a better
>>solution, but then you have to watch out for how much your knees are
>>bent. If you have long legs, it may help or it may make it worse, you'd
>>just have to try it. Since I have chronic leg pain from a spinal cord
>>injury, I don't stand up anyway. Only on a few occasions when I miss
>>seeing a big bump, then just up and down.
>>Wayne
>
>
>I put on a seat that is cut in front so it's hard to slide back on the
>seat away from the tank. I'm 6-1 and my problem is the pegs too far back,
>putting my feet at near sport bike angles for shifting and braking. If the
>pegs were further back I would need something on top of my boot to get
>enough up on the shifter. As for standing on the pegs, the bar is so close
>I feel like I'm riding an old high wheel bicycle, and I have no leverage
>to pull myself up. If I could slide back on the seat and reach for the
>bars it would be better but the seat angle is to steep. I rotated the bar
>forward to it's highest position and that's much better but I would really
>like to get them a little more forward still. I was looking at after
>market top clamps but they're very pricey. Where can I see a picture of
>the risers from thumper racing?
>
>Bill Mitchell
>'98 DR 350se
>
>



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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:46:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (dr) footpegs, rear set

Thanks Kurt... that was painless... just cut and paste that website address
and there was the pictures...

For you guys who missed it:
http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/dr350/DR350pegs.html

Jesse,  maybe it will be worth your time to produce these?

Guy

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:15:15 -0700
From: Mike Nielson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 footpegs...

Hi Bill (and others),

The Thumper bar risers cost me $89.  Just got them this past week and
will be installing them today.  I bought mine through Baja Designs
since I had some other things I needed from them, but I'm sure you
can also get them through Jesse or directly from Thumper.  I don't
know of any pictures of the risers out on the web.  Maybe at some
point I'll take some pictures of mine and post them.

- - Mike

On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:47:15PM -0400, William C. Mitchell wrote:
> I put on a seat that is cut in front so it's hard to slide back on the
> seat away from the tank. I'm 6-1 and my problem is the pegs too far back,
> putting my feet at near sport bike angles for shifting and braking. If the
> pegs were further back I would need something on top of my boot to get
> enough up on the shifter. As for standing on the pegs, the bar is so close
> I feel like I'm riding an old high wheel bicycle, and I have no leverage
> to pull myself up. If I could slide back on the seat and reach for the
> bars it would be better but the seat angle is to steep. I rotated the bar
> forward to it's highest position and that's much better but I would really
> like to get them a little more forward still. I was looking at after
> market top clamps but they're very pricey. Where can I see a picture of
> the risers from thumper racing?

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