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dr-digest         Thursday, February 24 2000         Volume 01 : Number 049



Re: (dr) 350SE kickstart?
RE: (dr) Used DR350 price?
(dr) used DR350
(dr) DR650SE Throttle tube
Re: (dr) DR650SE Throttle tube
(dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank
Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank
(dr) DR350 Opinion
Re: (dr) DR350 Opinion

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:12:53 +0000 (:)
From: "Ludwig Geromiller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 350SE kickstart?

Hi Mikko,

I just installed one for my '96 SE two weeks ago. I used some old Parts of my '91 DRS.
you'll need:
- - kickstart
- - kickstart-shaft with spring
- - shaft-sealing for the clutch-cover
- - a little piece of steel is fixed to the aluminum-housing by 2 screws
- - sprocket between kickstart-shaft and clutch
You'll have to dismount the clutch to get the sprocket in.
The clutch-fixing-nut was loose (held only by the sheet-metal) an all three stock-engines
i dismounted. This seems to be a weak point, so check it out.

the parts are about 2kg additional weight. I did it for 2 reasons:
1. my battery is weak
2. i had the parts in my garage and wanted to know if they fit :-)

greets from germany
Ludwig

http://www.ccwn.org/~lgeromil/motorrad/dr350e.htm


On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:53:08 +0200, mikko vimpari wrote:

>My curiosity got me to ask again...(a dead battery is a worrying thought)
>Has anybody installed a kick-starter to 350SE.
>How painful is the process,would it be really
>expensive operation.What are the parts you need.



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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:00:05 -0500
From: "James Alan Tomkins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr) Used DR350 price?

Jonathan:

If you want a guide, Kelly Blue Book found at www.kbb.com gives both trade
in and retail prices for recreational vehicles (including motorcycles).
They list the 1992 DR350 at $1290.  I've found the site to be pretty good as
a standard from which to start.

Jim Tomkins
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
1998 DR650SEW


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Subject: (dr) Used DR350 price?


Hey there listers:
I sent a message about this yesterday, but as it never
showed up in my inbox from the list i assume it didnt
go through.

I found a used 1990 DR350S (dual sport) with 6K miles
on it.  The tach doesnt work and this guy is at least
the 2nd owner.  I haven't seen it yet in person, but
does anyone know what kind of price range I should be
looking at?

=====
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Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
University of Georgia

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:22:31 -0800
From: "Lisa Bierlmeier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) used DR350

Hey, Jonathan -

Just over a year ago, I bought a used DR650 that had sat a while (of course,
the dealer assured me that it had been stored properly ...)  When the bike
started running poorly, I found that the tank was riddled with rust inside,
necessitating the use of a POR-15 3-step tank resurfacing kit.  Be sure to
check this out.  Mine had rust along the bottom of the 'hips' as well as on
the top of the tank.  Applying the kit is more of a time-consumer than
anything, but without it the resulting spooge will clog your jets.

Lisa


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:55:10 -0600
From: "Jan Bradley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) DR650SE Throttle tube

Does anyone know if an aftermarket (metal etc) throttle tube is
available for the DR650SE? As you all know, the factory one has the grip
molded to it. I can get it off, it's just a pain in the you know what.
Jesse?
Thanks..

JB

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:42:18 -0800 (PST)
From: john miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR650SE Throttle tube

- ---I just took mine off my 350SE.I used my dremel with
a sanding drum it made short work of this otherwise
timely task.One other brief piont you guys make sure
you keep your cables(throttle,clutch)lubed up good.I
just did mine and I must say it brought it back to
"buttery smooth".

- --- Jan Bradley <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if an aftermarket (metal etc)
> throttle tube is
> available for the DR650SE? As you all know, the
> factory one has the grip
> molded to it. I can get it off, it's just a pain in
> the you know what.
> Jesse?
> Thanks..
>
> JB
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:56:34 +0200
From: mikko vimpari <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank

Hi Ludwig                 thanks Jesse for info

Thanks for the advices, i'll be chasing those used parts too.
One guy told me that G=F6tz enduro market has a big
18 liter(don't know in gallons, bigger than Acerbis)
gasoline tank for the DR 350.Ludwig, do you know
anything  about that tank, or has that G=F6tz any homepage.

Thanks and greetings from Finland
Mikko
PS: Thank you for the good DR 350 homepages Ludwig and Pablo.

- ----- Original Message -----
=46rom: Ludwig Geromiller <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; mikko vimpari <[e-mail].=
net>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: (dr) 350SE kickstart?


> Hi Mikko,
>
> I just installed one for my '96 SE two weeks ago. I used some old P=
arts of
my '91 DRS.
> you'll need:
> - kickstart
> - kickstart-shaft with spring
> - shaft-sealing for the clutch-cover
> - a little piece of steel is fixed to the aluminum-housing by 2 scr=
ews
> - sprocket between kickstart-shaft and clutch
> You'll have to dismount the clutch to get the sprocket in.
> The clutch-fixing-nut was loose (held only by the sheet-metal) an a=
ll
three stock-engines
> i dismounted. This seems to be a weak point, so check it out.
>
> the parts are about 2kg additional weight. I did it for 2 reasons:
> 1. my battery is weak
> 2. i had the parts in my garage and wanted to know if they fit :-)
>
> greets from germany
> Ludwig
>
> http://www.ccwn.org/~lgeromil/motorrad/dr350e.htm
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:53:08 +0200, mikko vimpari wrote:
>
> >My curiosity got me to ask again...(a dead battery is a worrying t=
hought)
> >Has anybody installed a kick-starter to 350SE.
> >How painful is the process,would it be really
> >expensive operation.What are the parts you need.
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:18:13 -0800
From: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank

mikko vimpari wrote:
>
> Hi Ludwig                 thanks Jesse for info
>
> Thanks for the advices, i'll be chasing those used parts too.
> One guy told me that G÷tz enduro market has a big
> 18 liter(don't know in gallons, bigger than Acerbis)
> gasoline tank for the DR 350.Ludwig, do you know
> anything  about that tank, or has that G÷tz any homepage.
>
> Thanks and greetings from Finland
> Mikko
> PS: Thank you for the good DR 350 homepages Ludwig and Pablo.
>
Mikko,
    Eighteen liters is 4.75 U.S. gallons, the Acerbis tank in 4.25 U.S.
gallons.
Wayne
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:28:02 -0000
From: "Copsey, Stephen J (Steve)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) DR350 Opinion

Ludwig, (and other DR350 owners)

I had a look at your website and found it useful and interesting. I have
owned my '98 DR350SE for two years now and think its a great bike after 10k
miles of trail riding. As a new member to this list I hope no-one minds if I
share my thoughts on the bike.
As a background I am British living in the South of England, 34 married 3
kids.
I love the DR even though I know it is a compromise and there are better
bikes out there. I like its simplicity and general feeling of toughness and
reliability. Mine is the black model which I think looks really nice and not
as dated as the basic design. I use 14/43 gearing generally which is the
best compromise I've found for trail riding. The 15/43 is good for road use
but the engine loses its lively acceleration. With 14/43 you can still
cruise at 70mph which is fast enough for the roads I use. A top speed of
about 85 on the flat.

You cannot expect too much from a 350cc bike, but it is certainly not slow,
overtaking cars never a problem. Surprising amount of revs available if you
want to go quickly. Off-road the rear tire normally limits how fast you can
accelerate - when its wet you can just keep shifting up and make use of the
low end torque. With a bit of practice you can pull third gear wheelies
forever which is impressive for an electric start four-stroke.

A friend with a low mileage 94 model rode my bike and was surprised at how
much quicker mine is - does anyone know of any subtle improvements over the
years?

Most of my riding is in mud, and in the Summer, slightly drier mud ! There
is no doubt the DR is heavier than a two stroke but I love the sound, feel
and torque of the DR. You only notice the weight when its really wet. I use
a modest Chen Shin trail tire on the back - its about the same grip as an
MT21 (itself not a very good tire for mud anyway), but much cheaper. And you
can abuse it on gravel and tarmac without being concerned about the cost -
fun ! On the front the bigger the knobs the better.

The mud wrecks the bike. The original chain somehow lasted 8k miles with
about 3 front sprockets, brake pads can disappear in less than 1000 miles !
Front tires last ages probably because the front brake is not very powerful,
rears 2-3k mls. I keep the rear linkage well greased and regularly drop the
wheels out to dry and grease the bearing seals. The throttle cable needs
regular oiling but I made a shield to stop water spraying over the
carburetor and cable ends which has helped immensely. Fuel consumption very
good - four hours on a tank full usually.

Other than wear and tear items the bike has been completely reliable.
Synthetic oil reduces clutch drag and keeps the gear change smooth.
Clutchless up-changes smooth anyway. Starting no problem with the button,
even after, ahem, falling off. After more than about two weeks storage the
float bowl must be drained and re-filled or starting is not so good. I've
kept the bike near to standard as I'm not a great believer in heavily
modifying bikes. If you want more power get a bigger bike - it will be more
reliable. I am confident that I can give the DR loads of abuse and it will
keep going for many years.

I also have a KLX650 - more power, especially at high speed. Much heavier
off-road
And KMX125 two-smoker- almost as fast ! (if thrashed), much lighter. More
thirsty....

But for 95% of the time the DR is easily my fave.

I wrote an email on trail riding in the UK if anyone is interested. Perhaps
I'll post it if no-one objects.

Sorry for the length of my ramblings but I am quite passionate about my
trail-riding !

Steve



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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:38:31 +0000 (:)
From: "Ludwig Geromiller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 Opinion

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:28:02 -0000, Copsey, Stephen J (Steve) wrote:

>I had a look at your website and found it useful and interesting. I have
Thanks a lot. Maybe you can give me some tips regarding the translation :-) My english
is a bit rusty...

>I love the DR even though I know it is a compromise and there are better
>bikes out there. I like its simplicity and general feeling of toughness and
>reliability. ...
>I use 14/43 gearing generally which is the
>best compromise I've found for trail riding. The 15/43 is good for road use
>but the engine loses its lively acceleration. With 14/43 you can still
>cruise at 70mph which is fast enough for the roads I use. A top speed of
>about 85 on the flat.
You got the point. The stock gearing of 15/43 is for noise-laws.
My DR has a little switch on the carb which will change the ignitiontime in 2nd and 3rd
gear at full acceleration, just to keep the bike quiet in one specific noise-test at around
50 kph. The first thing i did as i got the bike was unplugging this switch :-)

>A friend with a low mileage 94 model rode my bike and was surprised at how
>much quicker mine is - does anyone know of any subtle improvements over the
>years?
No. I feel like my '91 DRS went significantly faster than my '96 DR SE inspite the '96 has
30 hp and the old '91 27hp in the papers. The exhaust got bigger, the weight got more
with electric start.
The 27hp in the papers might be because of an old restriction here in germany for
driving-license newbies. There was a limit for power/weight ratio, wich wouldn't allow to
drive the DR350 with more than 27hp. :-))

Regarding the Chen Shin tires: Good tip. I'll check where i can get some. How much are
they in your area?

>The mud wrecks the bike. The original chain somehow lasted 8k miles with
>about 3 front sprockets, brake pads can disappear in less than 1000 miles !

This depends on the stuff you are driving in. Two years ago i lost a set of brakepads in
one day (about 200 mls) in Senftenberg, Lausitz, south of Berlin. The area is full of sand
sith some brown-coal in it. The weather was rainy/snowy and the sand/coal/water mix
ate my newworthy brakepads in one single day.

>I wrote an email on trail riding in the UK if anyone is interested. Perhaps
>I'll post it if no-one objects.

Please go on!



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