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dr-digest          Friday, February 25 2000          Volume 01 : Number 050



Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank
(dr) Re:plastic tanks
Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank
RE:  (dr) Re:plastic tanks
Re: (dr) Re:plastic tanks
RE: (dr) DR350 Opinion
Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank
(dr) Trail Riding in the UK

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:06:17 +0000 (:)
From: "Ludwig Geromiller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank

Mikko,

i think you are referring to the IMS tank. I don't know, how good this t=
ank fits or if it is
stable if you crash. My Acerbis is ok and quite robust, but has only abo=
ut 15 Liters.

G=F6tz is here in south-germany, Bisingen, just about 200 km from here.
G=F6tz has no Internet-site and the catalog i ordered 4 weeks ago has st=
ill not arrived...
They seem to be NOT very reliable (*:
I will inform you about the tank as soon as i get my catalog.



On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:56:34 +0200, mikko vimpari wrote:

>Hi Ludwig                 thanks Jesse for info
>
>Thanks for the advices, i'll be chasing those used parts too.
>One guy told me that G=F6tz enduro market has a big
>18 liter(don't know in gallons, bigger than Acerbis)
>gasoline tank for the DR 350.Ludwig, do you know
>anything  about that tank, or has that G=F6tz any homepage.



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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:56:05 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chesley, Andrus)
Subject: (dr) Re:plastic tanks

>>        Eighteen liters is 4.75 U.S. gallons, the Acerbis tank in 4.25 U.S.

Be sure to find out much of the fuel is useable without having to lay the bike down on it's
side to get to the fuel that wont cross over.
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Best Regards & Happy Trails
Andy Chesley @ 56 and ticking
Y2KLR650 @ 2.9K sMiles
97 R11RA (Amiga) @ 11.6K Miles
So Many Roads, So Little Time
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:16:14 -0800
From: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank

Ludwig Geromiller wrote:
>
> Mikko,
>
> i think you are referring to the IMS tank. I don't know, how good this tank fits or if it is
> stable if you crash. My Acerbis is ok and quite robust, but has only about 15 Liters.

Mikko and all,
    According to the advertisement for the tanks, the IMS is not as large
as the Acerbis. The Acerbis is 4.25 U.S. gallons. I also feel that it is
stronger than the IMS, but don't know if that is an issue.
Wayne
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        Wayne Marsulß, Escondido, CA
    "Casual Collector of Classic Hondas"
        "from 50 to 550cc" (about 20)
    BMW R100GSPD (La Tortuga Coja)
    BMW R75/5 "Toaster Tank"
    Suzuki DR350SE
    Honda SOHC4 #539
    Yamaha YSR50
    Yamaha TW200 (for sale)
 Member:
    BMW Motorcycle Owners of America
    Internet BMW Riders
    Airheads Beemer Club #165
            Baja Airmarshal (?)
    Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club
    National Rifle Association
    http://www.mikthebik.com/
    (San Diego County Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Group)

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:40:28 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE:  (dr) Re:plastic tanks

Hi Andy,

That was a good thought.  I have wondered why the tank manufacurers do
not put a hose barb on both sides of the tank.  Then after mounting the
tank on the bike, you could connect a piece of fuel line between the two
hose barbs, which would act as an equalizer between the sides of the
tank, and allow you to use all of the fuel in the tank.

Best Regards,

Roger Herrscher


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Subject:  (dr) Re:plastic tanks

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>>        Eighteen liters is 4.75 U.S. gallons, the Acerbis tank in 4.25
U.S.

Be sure to find out much of the fuel is useable without having to lay the
bike down on it's
side to get to the fuel that wont cross over.
 --
Best Regards & Happy Trails
Andy Chesley @ 56 and ticking
Y2KLR650 @ 2.9K sMiles
97 R11RA (Amiga) @ 11.6K Miles
So Many Roads, So Little Time
http://members.deltech.net/aches/



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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:16:02 -0800
From: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) Re:plastic tanks

> Hi Andy,
>
> That was a good thought.  I have wondered why the tank manufacurers do
> not put a hose barb on both sides of the tank.  Then after mounting the
> tank on the bike, you could connect a piece of fuel line between the two
> hose barbs, which would act as an equalizer between the sides of the
> tank, and allow you to use all of the fuel in the tank.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Roger Herrscher
>
Guys,
    The Acerbis tank has an outlet, with petcock, on both sides of the
tank.
Wayne
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          Wayne Marsula', Escondido, CA
    "Casual Collector of Classic Hondas"
        "from 50 to 550cc" (about 20)
BMW R100GSPD (La Tortuga Coja)    BMW R75/5 "Toaster Tank"
Suzuki DR350SE    Yamaha YSR50    Yamaha TW200 (for sale)
 Member:
    BMW Motorcycle Owners of America    Internet BMW Riders
    Airheads Beemer Club #165, Baja Airmarshal (?)
    Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club     Honda SOHC4 #539
            National Rifle Association
http://www.mikthebik.com/ (San Diego County Vintage Japanese Motorcycle
Group)

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:27:28 -0000
From: "Copsey, Stephen J (Steve)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350 Opinion

Thanks for the comments on my post yesterday. It's re-assuring to find
someone experiencing even worse brake wear than me, Ludwig!

In answer to another question - I have only removed the air-box snorkel =
so
far. Lack of time has prevented me cutting the box properly, however, I
would like to know if you end up with an annoying intake drone if you =
do
this ? At the moment my DR is very quiet at gentle speeds but has a =
nice
bark when you wind the throttle open. Nice.

The switch on the carb is an interesting one. I haven't touched it yet =
but
sounds like you can just disconnect it. I have noticed a drastic power =
loss
on the odd occasion on the road when I've cracked the throttle open -
hopefully that is what's causing it - I'll try it this weekend !

The Chen Shin tire is about =A330 UK compared to about =A350 for an =
MT21. The
MT21 might last fractionally longer, but not much. And it is definitely =
not
an enduro tire, so it is not to everyone's taste, but will keep going =
in
very deep mud.

I'll dig out the UK Trail-Riding email and send on later....



    Steve=20

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:59:37 +0200
From: mikko vimpari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank

Hi guys

Thanks, but i wasn't talking about IMS tank
I made a phonecall to guy who told me(ex-DR rider)
He knows Ims tank, he claimed that G=F6tz tank was bigger,
white and shaped like in the old Paris-Dakar bikes,little bit
like a huge plum (whatever that means)
The problem is, he was looking '97 G=F6tz catalog,
so who knows, are they still selling that tank.
I own also an old Acerbis tank and happy with it,but i'm always
curious about the things, which could be maybe even better for DR.
We will have to wait till Ludwig gets the catalog.
Regards
Mikko Vimpari
'97 350SE
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=46rom: Wayne Marsula' <[e-mail]>
To: Ludwig Geromiller <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>; mikko vimpari <[e-mail].=
net>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: (dr) 350 aftermarket gas tank


Ludwig Geromiller wrote:
>
> Mikko,
>
> i think you are referring to the IMS tank. I don't know, how good t=
his
tank fits or if it is
> stable if you crash. My Acerbis is ok and quite robust, but has onl=
y about
15 Liters.

Mikko and all,
According to the advertisement for the tanks, the IMS is not as large
as the Acerbis. The Acerbis is 4.25 U.S. gallons. I also feel that it=
 is
stronger than the IMS, but don't know if that is an issue.
Wayne
- --
        Wayne Marsul=E1, Escondido, CA
"Casual Collector of Classic Hondas"
"from 50 to 550cc" (about 20)
BMW R100GSPD (La Tortuga Coja)
BMW R75/5 "Toaster Tank"
Suzuki DR350SE
Honda SOHC4 #539
Yamaha YSR50
Yamaha TW200 (for sale)
 Member:
BMW Motorcycle Owners of America
Internet BMW Riders
Airheads Beemer Club #165
        Baja Airmarshal (?)
Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club
National Rifle Association
http://www.mikthebik.com/
(San Diego County Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Group)

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:57:22 -0000
From: "Copsey, Stephen J (Steve)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) Trail Riding in the UK

Here's a copy of an email I did for another list - it is of course only
based on my own experiences and opinions...(!)

In England and Wales (Scotland has its own situation that I dont know muc=
h
about) there is a network of legal rights of way as follows:
Footpaths - walkers only
Bridleways - Walkers, horses, cyclists (but not a horse and cart!)
RUPPS (Roads Used as Public Paths) - usually all, including vehicles, car=
ts
etc.
Byways - open to all traffic. All RUPPS are currently being reviewed to
re-classify to Bridleways or Byways.
County Roads - these are a little secret to us Trail Riders, they are
basically ancient roads that have not been surfaced with Tarmac. Most loc=
al
authorities allow full vehicular rights on these.

A lot of these routes go back many hundreds of years and so have a clear
history of vehicle usage (horse and cart) that cannot be argued with.

We have an excellent map making company called Ordinance Survey who produ=
ce
maps at 1;50000 or even 1;25000 for every square inch of the UK in 25 mil=
e x
25 mile chunks. All the rights of way are clearly marked up and are
generally very accurate.=20

The organisation I am in, the Trail Riders Fellowship (TRF) act very clos=
ely
and pro-actively with the local authorities to maintain all our rights of
way and fight back very firmly at any proposals to close tracks, or green
lanes as they are known. We also have representatives who will take thing=
s
right up to Government level, if required. The TRF will also offer legal
support to any member being prosecuted by a land owner for trespassing,
especially if using a legal right of way anyway! The current UK membershi=
p
is a couple of thousand, split into about 40 local groups.=20

Each local group has regular social events and official runs where someon=
e
volunteers to lead and navigate. These usually last most of the day (on a
Sunday) but can be a lot of fun as long as there are no major breakdowns.=
 If
the group is large (up to 12) it can be slow going though. I usually go o=
ut
on my own because no-one else can get up early enough! (I like to spend
lunchtime onwards with my family.)

And there is a nice little website - http://www.trf.org.uk/  with some pi=
cs.
The website has some suggested rules which look a bit serious- in reality=
 we
ride fast and hard, but with respect for the countryside and other users.

There is a tremendous variety of terrain to ride on. Where I live I can g=
o
north/ north west for some rolling green hills and wooded areas, mainly c=
lay
and flint. To the West I have the open Salisbury Plain, nothing too steep=
,
but very scenic and lots of Army activity to avoid! To the East there is =
the
South Downs, a long ridge with some nice steep climbs off it, mainly chal=
k
which is VERY slippery when wet. Nice views down to the coast and Isle of
Wight. To the north east the ground is sandy which results in different
vegetation, but, being Britain still ends up muddy in winter. There is al=
so
a few rocky tracks to practice Trials skills including the famous Alton
stream - a two mile long ride along a sunken rock stream. Very wet and
challenging ! Also another nationally famous hill - Butser Hill. This is
chalk, VERY steep climb about 5 foot wide between two fences. Totally
impossible in winter, very difficult in summer. Most riders wont even
attempt it. Going down is very scary but has to be done - but only on a
little two-stroke in the middle of a heat wave! Oh, and to the south is t=
he
coast, BUT a trip on the ferry gives a day's ride round the Isle of Wight.
Pretty hilly too.

Its very unusual to go out and come home with a clean bike, even in summe=
r.
Which is a real pain. Wheel bearings brakes and chains suffer greatly. A
typical ride for me would involve a road trip of 10-40 mins to my startin=
g
point. Depending on the area you could have a couple of hours completely =
off
road or go on all day with a mixture of road and track. I usually average
80-140 miles in a four or five hour session, with a few stops. Its diffic=
ult
to say how much road/track there is on average, perhaps 1/3 road, 2/3 tra=
ck
on a typical ride. Many tracks are used by farm vehicles or 4x4s so ruts =
are
common. Some have been designated motorcycle only (to reduce erosion) whi=
ch
is great! Twisty single track through woods is my favorite. Most rides wi=
ll
incorporate deep muddy ruts and puddles, leafy woods, open grassy tracks,
fast smooth gravel, a bit of rocky stuff, a bit of sand, plenty of ups an=
d
downs, with a few  challenging climbs. And if I take the trailer to Wales
there are some decent mountains to play around on. Mean loose rock climbs=
,
bogs, sheep, rain etc.=20

The DR350 is probably the most common bike. The two stroke Honda CRM250 i=
s
popular but not by anyone following it. The Yamaha TT250,  XT225 Serrow,
Honda XLR250 are the favorites for the mature/lady/shorter rider. The Yam=
s
and Hondas are only available as grey imports from Japan, normally
secondhand and always at over inflated prices. Its amazing that the offic=
ial
dealers dont catch on - a lot of people buying the small fourstrokes simp=
ly
want a cheap, sturdy trail bike for commuting on, so the market is
definitely there. A few trail riders use the enduro XR250/400 (which are
available new), but most want turn signals and electric start. I dont kno=
w
of anyone in my group with a 600+.=20

A new DR350 electric start is about =A33500, a few hundred less for the e=
nduro
model. Imported secondhand XLR/TTR 250's can cost as much as =A32500 for =
a
FIVE year old model. Hence I bought a new KMX125 for =A32000. The newish =
trail
Husky 610 is probably one of the few big trail bikes that would be useabl=
e
in winter (my father has one). But at =A35000 for Italian build quality, =
not
for me. The British company CCM do a very tasty 600 electric start with s=
ome
serious componentry around an air cooled Rotax engine. Very nice, but aga=
in
=A35000 for non-Jap quality. Other than that we have XT600, KLR650, Honda
NX650, and apart from the DR, nothing smaller officially imported, apart
from 125's.

Any questions  ?? !

    Steve=20

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